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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Argyllshire => Topic started by: Chiad Fhear on Tuesday 06 January 09 08:12 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
I've come to a bit of a grinding halt with my Crawford research and wonder if anyone can help?
Here's the beginning of what I have:
DONALD CRAWFORD was born Abt. 1786 in Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyll. He married MARY CAMPBELL 16 Dec 1810 in Kilmichael Glassary, Argyllshire, daughter of ALEXANDER CAMPBELL and MARY. She was born Abt. 1789 in Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyll.
Children of DONALD CRAWFORD and MARY CAMPBELL are:
MARY CRAWFORD, b. 06 Jan 1812, Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyllshire.
DONALD CRAWFORD, b. 15 Apr 1814, Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyllshire; d. 15 Jun 1871, 42 Bedford Street, Glasgow; m. MARY MORRISON, 27 May 1844, Glassary, Argyllshire; d. Aft. 1871.
Cause of Death: Disease of Bladder 3 years. Occupation: 1871, Joiner (Journeyman)
JANET CRAWFORD, b. 02 May 1816, Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyllshire.
ALEXANDER CRAWFORD, b. 08 Jan 1818, Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyllshire.
ISABEL CRAWFORD, b. 27 Aug 1820, Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyllshire. She married ARCHIBALD MCNICHOL 20 Jan 1844 in Glassary, Argyll.
Children of ISABEL CRAWFORD and ARCHIBALD MCNICHOL are:
ALEXANDER MCNICHOL, b. 16 Nov 1844, Glassary, Argyll. Baptism: 18 Nov 1844, Glassary, Argyll
DONALD MCNICHOL, b. 28 Dec 1845, Glassary, Argyll.
JOHN MCNICHOL, b. 12 May 1858, Cumlodden, Argyll.
MCNICHOL, b. 04 Sep 1859, Cumlodden, Argyll.
MARGARET MCNICHOL, b. 03 Feb 1861, Cumlodden, Argyll.
MARGARET CRAWFORD, b. 26 Aug 1823, Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyllshire. She married JAMES TURNER, Herring Fisher, 06 Dec 1845 in Glassary, Argyll, son of DUNCAN TURNER and MARY. He was born Abt. 1822.
Children of MARGARET CRAWFORD and JAMES TURNER are:
DUNCAN TURNER, b. 16 Aug 1847, Glassary, Argyll.
MARGARET TURNER, b. Abt. 1851, Glassary, Argyll.
JAMES TURNER, b. 12 Oct 1852, Glassary, Argyll; d. 21 Feb 1913, Achagoil, Cumlodden, Argyll.
James never married. Baptism: 11 Sep 1853, Glassary, Argyll. Cause of Death: Pneumonia.
Occupation: Bef. 1913, Gardner
DONALD TURNER, b. 13 Jun 1855, Glassary, Argyll; d. 05 Jun 1878, Minard, Cumlodden, Argyll.
Donald never married. Cause of Death: Congestion of Brain, Paralysis.
Occupation: Bef. 1878, Labourer
MARY TURNER, b. 10 Nov 1857, Glassary, Argyll.
ALEXANDER TURNER, b. 26 Jun 1861, Glassary, Argyll.
JOHN CRAWFORD, b. 23 May 1829, Breunport, Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyllshire.
JAMES CRAWFORD, b. 19 Mar 1832, Breunport, Sherdrim, Glassary, Argyllshire; d. 08 Jul 1890, Paddle Steamer 'Viceroy'. He married ELIZABETH DAVIDSON 14 Jun 1861 in Bonhill, Dunbartonshire, daughter of THOMAS DAVIDSON and ELIZABETH BILSLAND. She was born 19 Aug 1838 in Kilmaronock, Dunbartonshire, and died 16 Jan 1894 in Old Women's Home, Glasgow. The sole survivor of their eight children was my paternal Grandfather.
CHRISTIAN CRAWFORD, b. 22 Nov 1833, Barbreck, Glenorchy & Inishail, Argyllshire.
I have a fairly comprehensive'picture' from here on but little for these mentioned above.
Fingers are crossed :)
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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hi :)
1841 census
sherdrim glassary argyllshire
(widow) crawford 50 born argyllshire(mary ?)
peter dewar 5 born argyllshire
OH'S family(mcvicar) lived in glassary about the same time
we have a handwritten marriage note signed by the minister of the parish
from 1845
ev
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Hi ev
Now you're throwing a spanner in the works!
Who's OH? ??? Where's the Post? ::)
Would you be prepared to email a scan of the 1845 'handwritten marriage note' to me by PM?
I seem to recall I have some info (somewhere) about a McVicar connection that came from a conversation my son had with a fellow-trucker!
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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Hi again ev
I found the information that I had on file for the McVicar connection. It's not much to go on ...
G/G/Fr John Crawford m. Katie McVicar.
G/Fr William Crawford b. 28.10.15, d. 16.10.79, m. Mary Mitchel b. Minard, Argyll, d. 16.8.78.
Brother Niven Crawford.
Mum is Kathleen Crawford b. 25.12.1941 Ardrishaig, Argyll m. John Maclachlan
I haven't had a chance to do any follow-up work on it, as yet, but is it ringing any bells?
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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OH is other half(partner)
the marriage note is for donald macvicar and mary mitchell
25th december 1845 glassary argyll
i can't find a connection to katie(catherine ?) mcvicar
ev
Image resized as it was stretching the post - ev
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and the other side
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Thanks ev
A worthwhile little document. Appreciate you sharing it. :)
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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I am also descended from Donald and Mary Crawford through their daughter Isabel. However, my great-grandmother Christina McNicoll (the spelling of the surname varies a lot) was also one of Isabel's daughters and was born around 1852-55, although she is not included in your list. She married Alexander McTavish, and their daughter, Isabella Crawford McTavish was my maternal grandmother, born around 1882. Christina's sister Margaret (my grandmother's aunt) is listed as living with the McTavish family in Glasgow in the 1891 census.
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Hi Big Ron
Many thanks for resurrecting this thread! I must confess I haven't done too much on my early Crawford family since I discovered that there were quite a lost of men called DONALD CRAWFORD who married girls called MARY CAMPBELL and I wasn't able to sort out which one was mine. I'm pretty sure I've got the right pairing though.
RE your post ... Isabel born 27August 1820 in Sherdrim married ARCHIBALD McNICHOL again the spelling variation and I have 5 bairns for them : Alexander born 16 November 1844, Donald born 28 December 1845, John born 12 May 1858, un-named (female) born 4 September 1859 and Margaret born 3 February 1861.
There's quite a gap between Donald and John, so it's possible that your Great-grandmother Christina arrived somewhere in then as you reckon she was born 1852-1855. I'd be keen to learn more.
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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Hi again Big Ron
Donald and Mary's son JAMES married a lassie called ELIZABETH DAVIDSON in Bonhill, Dunbartonshire on 14 June 1861 and they had 7 bairns of which only one JAMES born 27 June 1873 survived and he was my Great-grandfather. His son Charles's widow, my Aunt Maria, is still alive - 97 - and living in Abeerdeen!
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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Thanks for your replies. I agree it is always possible that we are talking about different families with the same names, but here are a few other factors that may help confirm or deny the connection. Most of it comes from a family tree that my grandfather prepared a long time ago (he died in 1958).
Alexander McTavish, my great grandfather who married Christina McNicoll, was probably born in Glassary (most of the censuses say this, although one says Castleron), as was his father Duncan McTavish. Alexander later lived in Glasgow, where he was a seaman, the master of one of the Clyde Trustee's sludge boats. The censuses generally show Christina as having been born around 1855, and the 1891 census shows that her sister Margaret was in the house at that time. (Of course, Margaret is a common name as well, but it is some form of corroboration.)
Christina's parents were Archibald McNicoll and Isabel(la) Crawford. In fact, Archibald's mother was another Crawford - Christina Crawford, who had married an Alexander McNicoll. Archibald was also the master of a boat - on the night of the 1881 census he is shown as being on board the "Isabella & Jean" at Port Dundas, Christina herself appears to have been born in Minard, a little further up Loch Fyne.
Hope this helps!
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I should also have added that I have Christina McNicoll's marriage certificate - the wedding took place in Partick on 31 January 1879, when her age is given as 24, and one of the witnesses is named as Maggie Crawford. Her parents are named as Archibald McNicoll and Isabella McNicoll, maiden surname Crawford.
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Sorry ... fingers and keys ::)
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This is getting to be quite intriguing :o I wonder if we're on the right track :) It certainly seems like it.
I'll PM you for more info!
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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Hello Ciad Fhear in particular: I have Crawfords from Sherdrim at exactly the period mentioned in your initial message in my family tree. Indeed, given the names used I wonder whether the wife of Donald, Mary Crawford, might be the sister of James Crawford, my 3 x great grandfather. James Crawford b. c. 1776 in Sherdrim d.aft 1850, fisherman in Crarae, I think son of Alexander, married Janet Campbell in 1801 and still in Sherdrim, the couple had Alexander 1802-86 [my 2x great grandfather = Mary MacFarlane, daughter of William MacFarlane, weaver at Goatfield and piper on the fishery cutter Swift], Donald 1804-97 [= Jane Smith, shoemaker all his life in Crarae], John 1806, Mary 1808, Margaret 1812, James 1815 [emigrated to Lobo Twnshp, Ontario], and Archibald 1820. Ring any bells? I have a feeling that these Crawfords may have been the first generation born in Argyll so not among the first set of Covenanter imports but among those brought in by the Duke to replace his tenants who were off fighting in the American wars and choosing then to settle there rather than return.
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Hi
My GGGG Grandmother Mary CRAWFORD is noted as being from Sherdrim at the time of her marriage to Donald MUNRO (Monroe in the OPRs) from Creggans on 23rd January 1793. So I was wondering if there was any connection with anyone following this thread?
The couple moved from Creggans to Auchagoyle and had children - Neil, Donald, Mary, Janet, John, Cathrine (sic), James and Peter between 1793 and 1811. These children seem to have spread out along the western shore of Loch Fyne.
The only other bit of information I have is the following:
MI in Crarae Graveyard:
Inverae, Erected by Duncan MUNRO in memory of Mary CRAWFORD his spouse, died 11th May 1827 aged ? years (some of it is illegible unfortunately)
Ring any bells with anyone?
Jacky
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Mine was the previous message on the board and, given the places and names involved, it does seem all but a certainty there was a connection between the families but whether the records will be sufficient to establish just what it is, only time will tell.
By the way, I imagine the Creggans you mention will be Wester Creggans i.e. modern Knemore as that is the correct side of Loch Fyne. At the time, as I expect you know, the modern Creggans to the east of Loch Fyne was called Easter Creggans. They were the two ends of the ferry used by Mary Queen of Scots when returning to the Clyde after her visit to he sister at the old Inveraray Castle in the 1560s.
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Kia ora
I cannot tell you any more about Mary Crawford, but she was possibly my GGG grandmother. It seems that I am descended from Peter Munro her son. He is said to have been born at Auchagoyle, Glassary 24 July 1811. He married Sarah (nee McGlashan) born Feoline, and all their children were born in Glassary from 1841 to 1853. Mary Munro b 16 July 1843 married Neil McFadyen from the Isle of Mull and they emigrated to New Zealand in 1877 with their first three children, all born in Glasgow. Peter Munro died 4 January 1872 at the Royal Infirmary, Glasgow.
I have just been seeking information about the parish of Glassary (and came across your message) because I am coming to Scotland for an extended visit in July 2012. I hope to see the places where my ancestors lived.
NZDawn
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Hi Folks,
Found this post while researching something else in my own family tree around this area.
I recognised the surname Crawford (married into my family).
Not sure if anyone has Neil Crawford b 21 Apr 1819 Kilcalmonell & KIlberry to Archibald Crawford & Isabella Galbraith married 10 Dec 1814.
Neil Crawford died 20 Apr 1898 Glassary.
Annie
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Oh boy! You will find Glassary filled with MacVicars and Crawfords! My father's first cousin married a MacVicar in 1963. His parents were Malcolm MacVicar and Mary Crawford. Malcolm 'Calum' was lock keeper at Dunadry on the Crinan Canal. Mary came from Crawfords who had land around Baliebeg (spelling?) just outside of Lochgilphead and one of my second cousins lives there yet.
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Big Ron ..."Alexander McTavish, my great grandfather who married Christina McNicoll, was probably born in Glassary (most of the censuses say this, although one says Castleron), as was his father Duncan McTavish. Alexander later lived in Glasgow, where he was a seaman, the master of one of the Clyde Trustee's sludge boats."
Castleron is actually Castleton that can be found in the lower right corner of this map just below Ballimore. It's east of Lochgilphead on the north shore of Loch Gilp; the point where it joins Loch Fyne.
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=186500&Y=686530&A=Y&Z=120
My MacTavishs' also came from this area of Glassary parish. Alexander McTavish (possibly of Ballibeg Aird) married Margaret Leitch circa 1790 (no marriage doc found). Their son, Lachlan, was living at Castleton Lodge at the time of his death in 1873 at the age of 71. I believe his widow Mary MacTavish (nee Campbell) and some of his children lived at Castleton after his death per census 1881. Lachlan does not appear to have a brother by the name Duncan although it does occur fairly regularly in the family tree. He did have a brother named Alexander b. 1806 but I have not traced that line out.
While Alexander Sr is listed as a crofter on Lachlan's death cert, Lachlan and his brother Hugh were fisherman. William Crawford, son of Alexander Crawford and Margaret McTavish and Son-in-Law to Lachlan, was also a fisherman. Alexander Crawford was listed as a fisherman on his wife's death certificate.
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Came across an article well actually an obituary which mentions ALEXANDER MCTAVISH!!
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/obituary-sir-alastair-dunnett-1195816.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/obituary-sir-alastair-dunnett-1195816.html)
The following is from this
"Dunnett's mother's father, Alexander MacTavish, after whom he was called, was a master mariner from Loch Fyne. For most of his life, MacTavish was captain of one of Clyde Trustees' sludge boats, carrying cargoes of effluent down the river to be dumped in the open sea. His maternal grandmother, Christine MacTavish, came from a family of fish-curers, who also ran cargo smacks plying between the parts of the West Coast and the Far Outer Isles.