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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: ckbartley5 on Thursday 08 January 09 12:31 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find any information about my GGGF Jonathon Henry Ling, born approx 1836 in England, died 1908 Wollongong, NSW Australia. Married Fanny Stokes in Victoria Australia 1875, had ten children (Ellen Beatrice, Rosanna Priscilla, Helena Maud, William Henry, Emma, George Benjamin, Charles C, Blanche E, Florence A, Gwendoline M). Could have possible migrated to Australia as assisted immigrant in 1856 on "Arthur the Great".
Marriage certificate to Fanny Stokes shows his parents as John Ling and Mary Jane Bowen, death certificate shows parents as Francis and Mary.
Any information on his life in England, such as where he lived, sibliings, or his parents would be much appreciated.
Thank you
Kelly Bartley (nee Ling)
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Hi Kelly,
There is a possible family in the 1841 Census:
Barking, Romford, Essex
HO 107 323/10/14
John Ling 35 Sawyer
Mary Ling 40
William Ling 16 Ap (possibly apprentice?)
Alice Ling 11
John Ling 5
Susan Ling 3
Henry 1 All born in the county of Essex.
I can't find tem in 1851 - perhaps someone else will have a look & see what else they can find on this family.
Shaz
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Thanks for looking for me Shaz. I am stumped on this branch of the family. John and Mary Ling are such common names which makes it really hard to trace, plus I cannot find what part of England they came from. Any locality information I have on Jonathon Henry just says London.
On the assisted passenger list which we think Jonathon Ling migrated to Australia on, it shows other Lings travelled with him, but no parents listed. I am assuming that these other Lings are siblings, but I am not sure of this.
LING ELIZTH 20 JUN 1856 ARTHUR THE GREAT
LING GEORGE 13 JUN 1856 ARTHUR THE GREAT
LING JOHN 14 JUN 1856 ARTHUR THE GREAT
LING MARY ANN 18 JUN 1856 ARTHUR THE GREAT
LING SARAH 16 JUN 1856 ARTHUR THE GREAT
Thanks for your help. I will put the Lings you found on my possible list.
Regards,
Kelly :)
:)
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http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2504304
FYI
there is an article on the arrival of "Alfred the Great"
You would have to feel that his parents names given on his marriage certificate would be correct as he has given their names himself.
Does his death certificate say how long in the Colonies if so when and where please,
One on the ladies on here goes to Pro-vic and kindly does lookups for emigration etc. I will pm here and ask her to look at this thread for you. The record might just give you a bit more seeing as how it is for an assisted person.
Jenn
Jenn
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There is also a John LING on unassisted list arriving Victoria 1853 on James L Bogert aged 21, not quite the right age for your fellow, but sometimes travellers put their ages up or down.
I have relatives who came unassisted and wrote back to others in the family to make sure they got an assisted passage as the first family didn't realise they could have had assistance.
A long shot, but you never know.....
Cheers, Judith
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Thank you Jenn and Judith for looking for me. I have just had a breakthrough with John Henry's parents.
I came across a page from Keith Reeves on Rootsweb and this shows Mary Jane Bowen born about 1810 in London, married John Ling, also born about 1810 London, married 15th July 1834 Saint Bride, Fleet Street, London, one son, John Henry Ling, born 1836, London.
I have emailled Keith asking for any further information about John and Mary Ling.
I still havent figured out if the other Lings who migrated with John Ling are siblings.
Thank you for your help everyone. It looks like I am finally going in the right direction.
Regards,
Kelly
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I just looked at the marriage on A...y on the Pallot's marraiges and it says Mary Bowen and John LONG
I wonder if it was an error in translation.
Jenn
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Oh, that's excellent!
That marriage is noted on the IGI as well with husband transcribed as "John LING". IGI have a couple of possible births/baptisms for both John and Mary but nothing that you could be sure about.
Maybe you could look at the register entries through an LDS family history centre annd have a look. May give parent names or witnesses.
Cheers, Judith
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Hi Kelly
What a lovely surprise to come across your RootsChat forum entry by accident via Google, and realise that your 3GGGF Jonathan Henry Ling must be the brother of my GGM Susannah Mary Ling! (in 25 years i haven't found anyone else tracing our LINGs)
In fact JH (named Henry John) and SM were both baptised on the same day, 30 June 1837, at St Anne’s Limehouse, though their surname is indexed as LONG.
Like you I started off with very little information about the LING family. A distant cousin had a copy of the 1855 English marriage certificate of our great-grandparents, William KENNERSON and Susannah LING, which showed they married at St Mary Bow Stratford (east of the City of London). It also gave her father as John LING, occupation sawyer. For a long time I had no more detail.
Then after much searching on the old census microfilms, I got lucky and found the family on the 1851 census at 5 Ebenezer Place, Limehouse beside the Thames. The other details were useful:
John Ling
head
sawyer
age 49
b Kent Woolwich
Mary Ling
wife
56
b Kent Gravesend
John
son
sawyer
16
b Mdx Limehouse
Henry
do
10
do
Susana
dau
15
do
Alice Bowen
daur
21
do
Ann Batt [or possibly Pratt]
75
b Sry Rotherhithe
Alice’s surname made me think about a previous marriage, which helped to fit with the 1834 marriage of John LING widower and Mary Jane BOWEN widow at St Bride Fleet Street witnessed by were James E GOOD and Sarah GOOD (not yet identified)
Next I found on the IGI the previous marriage of Mary Jane (nee MUZZARD) to John Thomas BOWEN a waterman, in Chalk, Kent. Their numerous children baptised in Gravesend included the above Alice. It appears that John Thomas B (possibly known as Thomas) died between 1832 and 1834; there is a possible burial in 1832.
I do hope you are still watching Rootschat as it would be great to share future information. (I have more about the Lings, Muzzards (and Bowens) if you are tracking all lines)
My GGGparents Susannah and William Kennerson migrated to Victoria in 1857 and have numerous descendants across Australia, especially in Melbourne where I live.
Your distant relative
Deborah
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Hi Deborah,
Great to hear from you! :D I feel like doing cartwheels right now!! I have been stuck for ages on John and Mary Ling - I have a distant cousin in New Zealand who will be also doing cartwheels as well as she is also stuck on the same spot.
I had listed Henry, Alice, Susannah as siblings on my tree, but was not 100% certain this was correct. It is wonderful to see its true.
If you like, have a look at my tree on Ancestry. If you send me your direct email, I will send you a direct link invite. Email me on
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I would love to find out what other information you have and share what little I have.
Well, must go do some more cartwheels (and work). Thank you so much for contacting me :D
Regards
Kelly
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Well Hello all you ling researchers. My name is Melvyn Ling and i too have been stuck on John and Mary Ling. I am looking for Johnathon and Susannahs older half brother William born abt 1825 in the 1851 census it says birth place as Hockley Essex. Now William is born of a different mother and this is where i get lost. John Sr would be my gt gt gt gt grandfather. Funny enough while googling the name Ling i came across a Capt William Ling a pirate who was hung in New Providence Nassau Bahamas in 1718. We are all abunch of pirates lol ;D. Any more info that you have would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks from Canada.
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Hi Melvyn,
Good to hear from you. I am interested in your Ling lineage. Are you a direct descendent of William Ling. I would be interested in knowing more about this line. Email me directly if you like on
Regards
Kelly
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Yes Kelly i am a direct descendant. I am stuck trying to find John Lings first wife father of William born abt 1825. Runnng out of ideas on how and where to look.
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I am looking for information about Henry john ling mother Susannah Mary ling, . Henry john married fanny croft in 1873 Bathurst, lived in Manly, worked at gas works
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Death notice SMH 4Nov1924 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/1224298
LING - November 3, 1924, at her residence, 71 Stuart Street, Manly, Fanny Caroline, widow of the late Henry Ling, aged 72 years.
Funeral notice: Manly Cemetery
SMH 4Nov1924 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16172427
Deceased Estate http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/searchhits.aspx?table=Deceased%20Estates&ID=15&query=Fanny%20ling&frm=0
Fanny Caroline LING; Manly; date of death 03/11/1924 ; Pre A 010994 [20/1018] - Occupation: widow
Deceased Estate http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/searchhits.aspx?table=Deceased%20Estates&ID=15&query=Henry%20ling&frm=0
Henry LING; Manly; date of death 18/02/1905; Item [19/10257]; Reel 3034 -
Manly Cemetery grave register mixed denomination (part 1)
(See page 20) http://www.manly.nsw.gov.au/DownloadDocument.ashx?DocumentID=1801
Section S, Plot 285
LING, Henry, date of interment 18/2/1905, age 65, Stuart Street Manly
LING, Fanny Caroline, date of interment 4/11/1924, age 72
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NSW Electoral Roll 1870 BATHURST
Edward CROFT, Kepple St, householder
Edward CROFT, junior, Kepple St, residence
NONE listed for the surname LING
GREVILLE Post Office Directory 1875 BATHURST
Charles CROFT, miller, Piper St
E CROFT, mason, Kepple St
NONE listed for the surname LING
NSW ER 1870 ST LEONARDS (JM notes it would include Manly NSW)
NONE listed for the surname LING
NSW ER 1878 BATHURST
Edward CROFT, Kepple St, householder
Edward CROFT, junior, Kepple St, residence
William CROFT, Ranken St, householder
NONE listed for the surname LING
NSW ER 1878 ST LEONARDS
NONE listed for the surname LING
City of Sydney has uploaded the Sands Directories and they are free to search
http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/sands-directory
May I ask if anyone has an official transcription of the 1873 marriage at Bathurst? NSW BDM ref seems to be #1846, with the groom indexed as Henry LING and the bride as Fanny Caroline Siggs CROFT. It is entirely possible that the NSW BDM registration has not yet been reconciled by NSW BDM to the Church registers. If so, then it is possible that NSWBDM records do not include the details for the parents of Henry and Fanny, or perhaps the usual addresses and occupations for them, or their recorded ages. However that vital family history information WAS required to be recorded, and is usually still findable, on the parish registers.
Here’s a thread that may help you confirm that the chap who married at Bathurst in 1873 is the same chap as you are all posting about. Briefly, I am suggesting that you obtain an official transcription, and then with the info available on that document (name of the clergy, and his denomination), you locate where the Church register is currently located.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=546609.0
Cheers, JM
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NSW ER 1903, NORTH SYDNEY polling at Manly
LING
Beatrice Naone, of Stuart St, domestic duties
Fanny, of Stuart St, domestic duties
Henry, of Stuart St, stoker
Cheers, JM
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Thanks that all sounds right, I made the mistake, I will get a copy of their marriage certificate. All your information is correct, including daughter. Thank you.
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SMH 20 Oct 1917 Roll of Honour - http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15754481
LING - Died of wounds, October 3, Private Harold E. Ling, eldest son of Mrs F Ling, Stuart-street Manly
naa.gov.au Service Record (digital copy online)
LING, Harold Edward: Service Number - 470 : Place of Birth - Bathurst NSW : Place of Enlistment - Armidale NSW : Next of Kin - (Mother) LING Fanny
Record shows: Wounded in Action (France), died of wounds received in Action 3/10/1917 at 1st London General Hospital Camberwell London. Buried Brookwood Cemetery.
NOK (Mother): Fanny Ling, Stewart Street, Manly
Will leaves everything to nieces Joyce and Olive Glasson of Union street Lismore
Sister's marriage:
NSW BDM 4259/1904 Beatrice N LING and Harold T GLASSON
GLASSON-LING marriage SMH 4May1904 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/14617677
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Thanks I knew this.
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Well found, Cupoflife, and good to know that Carly was already aware of this info.
Carly, May I please ask .... what other info are you seeking about Henry and Fanny?
I am looking for information about Henry john ling mother Susannah Mary ling, . Henry john married fanny croft in 1873 Bathurst, lived in Manly, worked at gas works
Cheers, JM
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I know a lot about fanny, as my grandmother told me, but i know very little about Henry, I do know he was the first stoker at the new, at the time manly gas works, that he had some sort of accident, invalid and died when my grandmother was young. However I just wanted to find out where he came from. It seems to me that some people get him mixed up with Henry c ling, from mainland origins , son of Morley ling from maitland.
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In fact JH (named Henry John) and SM were both baptised on the same day, 30 June 1837, at St Anne’s Limehouse, though their surname is indexed as LONG.
Like you I started off with very little information about the LING family. A distant cousin had a copy of the 1855 English marriage certificate of our great-grandparents, William KENNERSON and Susannah LING, which showed they married at St Mary Bow Stratford (east of the City of London). It also gave her father as John LING, occupation sawyer. For a long time I had no more detail.
Deborah
Could this be your Susannah Mary Ling/Long married William Kenerison/Kennison/Kennerson/?
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=marycotter&id=I95306474
Christening: 30 Jun 1837 St Anne’s Limehouse
Death: 1887 age 49 in Williamstown, Victoria, Australia
Note: arrived Victoria March 1857 on the 'Admiral Boxer' age given 19
http://www.gmct.com.au/deceased-search.aspx
Williamstown Cemetery; [W] Methodist; Location METH*B*13**2
Susannah Mary Kenerison; age 49; date of service 21 Mar 1887; Reg No38252
William Henry Kenerison; age 49; date of service 13 Jan 1880; Reg No 36851
http://www.australiancemeteries.com/vic/hobsonsbay/meth.htm
Photo 709 KENNERSON Susannah; age 49; 1887/; spouse William
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So was Susannah his sister?
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These appear to be children of John Ling/Long and 2nd wife Mary Jane Muzzard
Jonathon 'John' Henry Ling
Susannah Mary Ling
Henry Ling
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=marycotter&id=I95484593
Children of John Ling/Long and 1st wife Susannah ? Smith?
William Ling
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The baptism register for Limehouse St Anne for 1837 shows baptisms on June 30, 1837 for
Henry John LING, born: February 7 1836
Susannah Mary LING, born March? 10, 1837
The entry for Susannah is quite faded in parts but the parents listed for both babies are: John (sawyer) and Mary, residence: Poplar
PROV has a digitised will for
Wm Henry KINNINSON, d 11 Jan 1880, foreman of the gas works, of Nelson Place, Williamstown. Bequests to Sarah KENNINSON, William Henry KENNINSON and John Edward KENNINSON; there is alsomention of a Henry George KENNINSON. He signs the will as KENNISON with a letter 'n' arrowed between the 'i' and the 's'.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
Judith
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I read the information on Susannah and Jonathan ling. I know this is correct. On my gggf death certificate he had his sister listed as next of kin. I know that she lived in Williamstown, and her husband was a gas blower. Henry(Jonathan) was also the first gas blowerstoker at the new Manly gas works. I believe Jonathan came to Australia via MelbourneT the age of twenty one. His sister and her husband came later. My grandmother's name was Alice, she had an older sister Susannah, unfortunately she died under the age of two. My grandmother actually married a man whose surname was Ling, he came from Suffolk, not a relative.
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I am still searching for my Henry Ling. He was born according to Henry's and Fanny's family Bible in 1845, in Kent UK. His parents were John and Susannah Mary Ling. He migrated to Australia, at sometime from 1845 to 1873, when he married Fanny Caroline Siggs Croft, in Bathurst NSW. Fanny had migrated with her family from Maidstone Kent, they had many family members in Cranbrook. I believe he was related to the Lings in Wollongong, and the Kennersons in Williamstown Victoria, as the DNA agrees with this. However, he was born in 1845, and I'm sure this is correct, looking at a photo in Bathurst (1883), of Henry and Fanny and their three young children, they are both young. i really want to know where he came from, and the ship he arrived on. He had a brother George and a sister Emma, according to my aunts knowledge, maybe a woman named Fairy, cropped up, oddly enough.
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Hi All! I hope someone is still following this.
I am a (nee)Kennison descended from John C Ling and Susannah. Does anyone have any info on Johns Parents?? I have read the previous pgs and have all that info. TIA
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Sorry, John C Ling and Mary
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John states on census records that he was born c1801 at Woolwich.
John Castleman LING
Born 23 May (no year stated)
Baptised 7 Jun 1801
Baptism Place St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich, Greenwich, Kent, England
Son of John and Mary
Debra :)
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I think that the father's name has been incorrectly recorded on that baptism. In 1871 John LING, widower, aged 71 born Woolwich is with his sister Jane GATES in Plumstead. Jane is aged 75 and also born Woolwich. Jane LING married in 1814 to William GATES, Charlton by Greenwich, St Luke, Kent.
Jane was baptised in 1796 also at St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich but her parents were named as Benjamin and Mary. Benjamin LING married Mary CASTLEMAN at St Nicholas, Plumstead in 1795.
Debra :)
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Thank you Dundee.
That would account for the middle name Castleman.