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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Rochdalian on Sunday 11 January 09 22:46 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Can't find anything about this lady if she was born in OZ or a migrant.
What I know is that she was the mother of Florence Mabel Owens born Brisbane 8/5/1876. She gives her father's name as John Owens. Florence Owens married John Edwin Galletly in Victoria in 1901 and appeared to live the rest of her life in and around Melbourne where she had nine children.
But I can find nothing of her mother, no birth, marriage or immigration record. I did find a death in 1937 in NSW of a Florence Alice Louisa Smith but that's all.
Hope someone can shed some light on this for me please.
Cheers
Bob
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A possible birth..
STANBRIDGE Alice Florence Louisa
Dec qtr 1857 Tewkesbury 6a/355
Cheers
Cando
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The birth of Florence Mabel was registered in both names of
Owens and Stanbridge so indicating the parents were not marriaded I could not find any other children born in Qld to Florence Stanbridge.
Jenn
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This could be her death though
OWENS Florence Alice Louise aged 44 in 1901 at Prn reg no 3337
father and mother unknown
JEnn
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Hi Ladies
Thanks for your replies.
I just got back home from the PROV, first time I have been since they moved from Laverton years ago. I can do it now I have a bit of time being retired and now on my own.
Funnily Jenn I also found the death for 1901, in Prahran I assume. Could not find a marriage in Vic, maybe she adopted the name Owens.
That birth is a possible and sort of fits with her age given that informants for death certs aren't always accurate.
Cheers
Bob
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I just got back home from the PROV, first time I have been since they moved from Laverton years ago. I can do it now I have a bit of time being retired and now on my own.
Bob you will be inundated with requests ;D ;D ;D
Cando
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1861 census
5G9/1800/127/8 Cheltenham Gloucestershire
Thomas Standbridge 30 Carpenter, with wife Ellen Eliza 30 and children Frederick Henry 8, Pauline Eugenie 5, Alice Florence 3, servant Ann Davis 15.
Melbourne Cemetery
Florence A L Owen buried on 05/02/1901 aged 45 years in the Church of England Area, compartment EE, grave no. 601A.
Also in this grave is Ellen B Excell buried on 19/02/1914 aged 35 years.
terra
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Thanks Terra
Certainly the birth found by Cando in Tewkesbury and this family in th e1861 census seem to be the same person, Cheltenham being 'no but a cock stride away' from Tewkesbury.
The age also fits with the death found in Melbourne but are they the same gilrl, not sure as the names are ordered differently. At this stage she seems to have blown in on the wind. :-\
Strange name Excell though, another trip to the library I think.
Is Melbourne Cemetery on line?
Bob
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Hi
a quick check on the victorian index shows that the parents of Ellen B(eatrice) Exell are:
John Owens and Florence Stanbridge. rego 1034. So is this Florence's sister!!!
Will do some checking in the Victorian indexes.
Robyn in Wodonga
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Melbourne General Cemetery has a CD of transcriptions. This record is not there.
Any deaths close to the CBD always worth checking for burial records with Melbourne Cemetery by email as I did in this case
Florence's death cert in 1901 would be helpful.
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1909 1914 electoral roll
Ellen Beatrice Exell 10 Carrington Street Hawthorn Hd
John Stanley Exell 10 Carrington Street Hawthorn Tailor
Death of 3 year old infant Ronald, son of John Excell and Ellen Owens in 1916 at Clifton Hill no 5332
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This birth on NSW BDM
1878 Helena Beatrice OWENS father JOHN and mother FLORENCE. Registered in REDFERN
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Hi again,
found the death of a Ronald Exell in 1916 aged 3
mother Ellen Owens father John Exell
also births:
Leslie John born Kyneton 1907 19963
Aubrey Owen b Hawthorn 1910 3762
Frederick Ronald b Praharan 1913 15819
Parents John Stanley Exell and Ellen Beatrice Owens.
also a possible remarriage fro John Stanley Exell in 1914 to:
Jean Mary Gregory rego 5541 and a child of the marriage
Jean Doreis b South Melbourne 1914 rego 33242
the NSW 1878 rego number 5733/1878 , registerered as Helena Beatrice Owens agrees with thee age in her death registration.
With this information you should be able to purchase some certificates and see what extra information is on them.
Robyn in Wodonga
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Here is a ww2 sevice index entry fom the nominal roll for LESLIE JOHN EXELL.
Name- EXELL, LESLIE JOHN
Service- Australian Army
Service Number- VX143748
Date of Birth- 12 Jul 1907
Place of Birth -KYNETON, VIC
Date of Enlistment- 1 Aug 1943
Locality on Enlistment -WEST BRUNSWICK, VIC
Place of Enlistment- PORT MORESBY
Next of Kin -EXELL, RITA
Date of Discharge- 29 Oct 1947
Rank- Warrant Officer Class 2
Posting at Discharge- AUST ARMY SERV SERVICES
WW2 Honours and Gallantry- None for display
Prisoner of War- No
Perhaps RITA was his wife.
Sue
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/
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Hi again,
[i]also births:
Leslie John born Kyneton 1907 19963
Aubrey Owen b Hawthorn 1910 3762 [/i] per regross
In additon to LESLIE JOHN's service history, there are particulars of his cremation and his brother's [ AUBREY OWEN] burial at Springvale crem/cem , Vic.
Aubrey died in 2003 aged 93 and he is with Nancy.
Leslie Jhon was cremated in 1989 aged 81.
Sue
http://www.deceasedsearch.com/index.php
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Hi
Wow, thanks again for all your input and for taking me just a little of course. I really like that as it can lead back to the main branch with new info.
Looks like I'm going to have to buy a cert or two, which may have to wait a bit.
Still, main questions still outstanding when did Florence Stanbridge arrive in OZ and did her and John Owens ever tie the knot.
Thanks again
Bob
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Hi Bob,
Is there any reason why she couldn't have been married to John, prior to her arrival in Australia. ???
Jamjar
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Jamjar
Maybe because the birth in Qld of Florence Mabel was recorded in both names Stanbridge and Owens, which just might indicate no marriage ( or not :D)
Bob, I am assuming you know all about transcription agents in NSW much cheaper and a lot quicker
Jenn
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Hi
Here is the probable arrival of Florence into QLD.
STAMBRIDGE, FLORENCE age 18, per INDUS 29th DEc. 1874.
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/index/immigration.asp
Details- Loc. IMM/115 Pg. 845 m/f no. Z1958 m/f no. M1698.
John Owens does not appear to be on the same ship.
Sue
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Well spotted Sue I will check to see if there any Stambridge's on the Qld Pioneer index..........no Stambridge
Jenn
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I thought I'd tried every spelling of the name but no. Just goes to show that many brains are better than one. ;D
Yes, good assumption Jenn but I haven't used one as yet.
Bob
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Well,
We can now probably confirm that FLORENCE MABEL was the first born of Florence Alice's known children. Regross in his good finding of the sister ELLEN's birth, did not mention the year.
She had been in Australia about 6 or 7 months it seems before little FLORENCE was on the way!
[Interesting to note that on FLORENCE MABEL GALLETLY's index entry at SPRINGVALE Crem/Cem, she is listed as Mabel Florence, so the changing of order in given names was not unnusual in the family perhaps]
Sue
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Hey there Sue
Regross in his good finding of the sister ELLEN's birth, did not mention the year.
no doubt cause she was following on from this information supplied by Terra
Also in this grave is Ellen B Excell buried on 19/02/1914 aged 35 years.
Bob re
Yes, good assumption Jenn but I haven't used one as yet.
I have used Laurie Turtle and found him to be very good but that is just my opinion, one of our fellow RCERS put me onto him
kind thoughts Jenn
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Edith Alice Stanbridge with father unknown and mother Florence Stanbridge was born in 1885 in Melbourne. The registration number 19434.
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So is this another daughter? perhaps
Jenn
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MMMm..
So is this another daughter? perhaps Jenn
How interesting [ if so..] that the name has reverted to Stanbridge. :o
Sue
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Yes Sue
but I cannot find a corresponding marriage or death after 1889, in Victoria that is.
Jenn
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Anything under EDITH ALICE OWENS?
[I'm sure you will have checked that ;D ;D]
Sue
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Yes Sue tried that using Owens and Owen just in case but I don't have the Pioneer index and is possible she died young but I would think Terra would have checked that
Jenn
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Regross in his good finding of the sister ELLEN's birth, did not mention the year.
It was mentioned 2 posts after.
I didn't think of Stambridge, but tried lots of other combinations. Well done.
Could John have been a crew member and she married on the ship?
The death cert's the go, isn't it? :-\
J.
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Right, I decided to go over my self imposed monthly cert limit and get Flo's death cert.
What it does is confirm most of what all you great detectives out there have come up with.
She died 3 Feb 1901 at the Alfred Hospital, a 44 year old housewife. She had a carcinoma of the stomach and liver exhaustion. Her parents were unknown to the informant John Galletly her son in law. Her birthplace is given as Cheltenham, England and she spent, in this order on cert, 7 years NSW, 2 years Queensland and 17 years in Victoria. It states that she married John Owens at the age of 19 in Brisbane and that he is still living. Her children are Mabel 24 years, Ellen 23 years and Alice 16 years.
So, maybe she married around the time of Mabel's birth hence the registration in both names and maybe they had split by the time Alice came along but there was no divorce. Or just maybe the 'marriage' was just a story in order to maintain respectability. But, who was she 'housewifeing' for?
Cheers
Bob
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Hi Bob,
What a satisfying outcome for you and the Rchatters ;D, even though there are sad elements and mysteries remaining.
I suspect the marriage did not happen. I can't think of another reason to give the third daughter the surname of STANBRIDGE.
Perhaps John was already married or something like that.
Some things we wil never know ??? ??? ???
Sue
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I know what it is like to not find a marriage. It's one reason I try and help out.
I can't find a marriage in Collingwood, Victoria for Ellen(helen) Clark(e) and William Henderson in or around 1864.
I have all her Australian documentation, icluding where she is buried, except this. She had no children, can find no marriage in another state and subsequent marriage under that name (her sister married in SA and later as a widow in Victoria). I guess I will never solve this, but it would be nice to know!!!
Robyn in Wodonga
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Hi
You are right Sue not a bad conclusion thanks to all you 'chatters, I will still keep looking though just like you are Robyn I suspect. ;)
Cheers
Bob
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There is still the matter of Edith Alice or Alice as she is referred to on her mother's death certificate. She was 16 years old.
Have been looking around for a marriage and death but no joy as yet.
Jenn
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Jenn spent ages doing the same :( Perhaps we had better co-ordinate our efforts ;)
Cheers
Cando
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Interesting then Cando, I wonder where she went and under what name?
I checked the other day and then again this morning.
Jenn
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I would think she used the OWENS name as did her sisters and mother. Assumptions again ;)
The only snippet I can find and the enrolment only appears once.
Australian Electoral Records
1914
OWENS Alice Pyramid Hill State School Teacher
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=38
VPRS 13719/P1 Database Index to Teacher Record Books, 1863-1959
This database gives access to Teacher Record Books available on microfilm in PROV reading rooms as VPRS 13718.
OWENS Alice 10135
Cheers
Cando
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Re Alice Edith:
You have probably found this already butaA possible death:
OLIVER Edith Alice 93
Father: Unknown
Mother: UNKNOWN
D CAUL 1976
Reg Number: 20577
and the marriage but different first names but a real possibility.
1922 Registration Number: 8564
OWENS Alice Margt Dorothy
OLIVER Wm Geo
there was also an Alice Maude Owens who married Harry Albert Furlonger in 1929 #9798
There seems to be more than one lady of the name Alice Owens.
Robyn in Wodonga
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Re Alice Edith:
You have probably found this already butaA possible death:
OLIVER Edith Alice 93
Father: Unknown
Mother: UNKNOWN
D CAUL 1976
Edith Alice oliver born 1883 Victoria parent William Henry Oliver and HannahKettle
can rule this one out I think
Jenn
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Thanks Cando, will check out the teacher next time I'm at the PROV
Bob
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Went to the PROV today and checked out the teachers records of Alice Owens. Wrong one but, born 14/9/1876. :(
Bob
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You probably have this information about the daughter. A probate notice in The Argus 18 Jan 1945 says Mabel Florence GALLETLY, widow of Carnegie (street given) and names executors as John and William Galletly.
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1095116?searchTerm=florence+galletly
Judith
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Thanks Judith, no I hadn't got that far.
So, wills and probate my next line of inquiry.
Bob
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Here is a ww2 sevice index entry fom the nominal roll for LESLIE JOHN EXELL.
Name- EXELL, LESLIE JOHN
Service- Australian Army
Service Number- VX143748
Date of Birth- 12 Jul 1907
Place of Birth -KYNETON, VIC
Date of Enlistment- 1 Aug 1943
Locality on Enlistment -WEST BRUNSWICK, VIC
Place of Enlistment- PORT MORESBY
Next of Kin -EXELL, RITA
Date of Discharge- 29 Oct 1947
Rank- Warrant Officer Class 2
Posting at Discharge- AUST ARMY SERV SERVICES
WW2 Honours and Gallantry- None for display
Prisoner of War- No
Perhaps RITA was his wife.
Sue
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/
Rita was his wife.. she was an interesting character. I have a lot of info on her if you are interested :)