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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Sussex => England => Sussex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Alan19 on Tuesday 13 January 09 14:23 GMT (UK)
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Just wondering whether any research into the Baldocks of Sussex.
My interest has been in the Rye and Mayfield areas however i have now found links to Wadhurst and it would be good to link the various areas of the family.
The connections i have are as follows:
Thomas Baldock C1677 Wadhurst and Elizabeth Loofe c1680 from Ticehurst, married 1702 Ticehurst.
Son Thomas 1705 Wadhurst and Ann Frie c1705 Mayfield, married 1727 Withyham lived in Rotherfield.
Son William 1741 Rotherfield married Agnes Holmes 1750 from Mayfield in 1773 in Mayfield.
Thanks,
Alan
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Hi Alan,
I am also researching Baldocks in the Rotherfield / Mayfield area and have got back as far as Robert Baldock (1771-1840) and Susannah Brooker (1782-1840) both of whom died in Town Row, Rotherfield. I think Robert's parents were a Robert Baldock and Sarah Carrick, but whilst the Carricks are fairly well recorded, Robert has proved a brick wall.
Totally seperately I have also found the Wadhurst Baldocks marrying into a seperate line - a Sarah Baldock (b1815) of Wadhurst married a William Raynes of Horsmonden in Kent. Sarah's parents were a Daniel Baldock of Wadhurst (1783-1860) and an Elizabeth.
I have not been able to trace Daniel any further back, and as the Wadhurst Baldocks are a fairly distant twig of my main tree, my main interest was in seeing if I could join them up with my Rotherfield Baldocks - which I haven't remotely been able to as yet!
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Thanks Mike,
My earliest Baldock, Thomas 1705 was one of the Wadhurst family however he married Anne Frie from Mayfield and they settled in Rotherfield having 7 children one of which was a Robert born 1734.
My line continues with their son William who also married a Mayfield woman, Agnes Holmes and settled there having 4 children. They were living at Huggetts Furnace Farm at one point.
Their son William married Ann Noakes and they settled in Rye where most future generations lived.
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Hmmm, that's very interesting - your Robert could certainly be a candidate for my Robert - Sarah Carrick was born in 1737, making a birthdate of 1734 for her Husband Robert Baldock very plausible.
Would you mind sharing your data for Thomas and Ann Frie, as I haven't anything on these people at all.
Interestingly, my great-great-grandfather Alfred Baldock married an Ann Fry in Rotherfield in 1881 - her line goes back through Mayfield for at least two more generations too. Never checked the Frie spelling variant though - would make a lovely tangle if those families connected too!
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Hi both
I have a tribe of Baldocks from Wadhurst, too numerous to mention. However I checked my tree and don't seem to have any names you mention at present. I have got back as far as Thomas Baldock 1732 -1788 who married Sarah Mabb. I only have one son noted for them for my line and that is John 1762 - 1834 who married Lydia Sales. After that of course there is an explosion of Baldocks ;D
Any others that you are interested in from Wadhurst?
Evie
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Hi Evie,
I have seen a tree showing descendants from Thomas and Sarah, but they don't seem to match up with any of my lot so far...
However, there is a document reference in the Medway Archives that you may or may not have been aware of:
Result number 551 - Please quote Reference: S_MN_Medway_Navigation_Company_1627_to_1936/S_MN_FLf_01a on request slip.
Path: Statutory_Authorities_1627_1969/ S_MN_Medway_Navigation_Company_1627_to_1936/ 01_kcc_Accession_0085_1627_to_1912/ S_MN_02_F_Finance_1627_to_1912/ S_MN_12_FLf_Freight_Account_Ledgers_1759_to_1906/ S_MN_FLf_01a.html
Medway Navigation Company
Financial records
Freight account ledger
Arranged in order of personal clients' accounts under debtor (receipts) and creditor (expenditure) headings, giving name and place of client (e.g. William Richardson of Rotherhithe, Surrey, timber merchant, William Brown of Southborough, founder, Messrs. Baldock & Mabb of Wadhurst, East Sussex, timber merchants, Thomas Burton of Stone Street, Maidstone, timber merchant, Kemble Whatley Esq. of Hartfield, Sussex, William Collens of Brenchley, timber merchant, Sir George Kelley [cf. Kelly] of Tunbridge Wells, Thomas Swayne of Tonbridge, attorney at law), date of transaction, description of operation and freight (species of goods) (e.g. timber knees and tops from Tonbridge to Chatham and Sheerness, plank, guns and brass guns between Tonbridge and Millhall (Aylesford[?]), stones, Portland stone, ropeyarn, oats) and sum paid.
Includes front index to clients, arranged alphabetically by initial letter of surname only.
[See S/MN/Flf/1b for removed loose items]
Date: 1759-1792
Quantity: 1 volume/265ff.
I wonder of the two familys ran a timber company?
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Thank you Mike :)
That is very interesting, no I wasn't aware of that document. I will have to look into it. I must admit I haven't done much on the earlier Baldocks. Thanks once again.
Evie
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Just realised I have another 'Floating Mary' Baldock - a Mary Baldock married a John Cooper in Dallington 1718, who shortly afterwards died, so she next married a Nicholas Carrick - father of the Sarah Carrick who married my Robert Baldock in Dallington n 1768.
A tree becomes a web becomes a scribble!
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Sorry for the delay Mike,
The details I have for Thomas and Ann were supplied by the Lewes records office and are as follows.
Thomas born 1705 in Wadhurst married 1727 in Withyham to Ann Frie C1705 of Mayfield.
Children Mary 1728, John 1731- D1732, Robert 1734, Edward 1737, Anne 1739, William 1741 and John 1743, all born in Rotherfield.
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My BALDOCK family is from East Kent. I have traced back to the late 1500s, to the Charing/Lenham area via Womenswold and Pluckley.
I am currently researching around 4 lines, but none of them yet link to any BALDOCK in Sussex.
Has anyone come across a Kent link yet?
Steve BALDOCK
B.Sc.(Hons)(Eng)
http://baldockfaggfamily.org.uk
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Hi Steve - great site :-)
I have a couple of Kentish Baldock references that I've picked up over time, but only one directly linked to my tree - and sadly not linked to the Sussex branch at all as far as I can see.
Elizabeth Baldock married Richard Amos / Amis in Chilham 1679 and died 1693.
I have the Amos descent but nothing on how Elizabeth fits into a wider picture...
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Mike, thanks for the comments. Interested in Elizabeth - was she from Chilham? I'm researching a Chilham/Chartham line which I have yet to link up, but only have back to a Jeremiah in the mid-1700s.
Steve BALDOCK
B.Sc.(Hons)(Eng)
http://baldockfaggfamily.org.uk
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Have found an IGI record for a Thomas Baldock C1635 married to Alice Manser who had a family in Wadhurst, including a Thomas Baldock born 1673 who could possibly be the one I'm looking for.
Lewes records office have found a marriage record for Thomas to an Elizabeth Manser in 1661 but the birth records of all the children show the mother as Alice.
They have also found a marriage between Thomas and Susanna Manser in1670 and birth records for a Thomas born 1677 who could also be the one I'm looking for. This can't be a second marriage looking at the dates the children were born so must be just a coincience.
Has anyone else come across this family or have any details of them that may help.
Thanks,
Alan
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Hi Alan
I'm guessing you're trying to see if the Thomas Baldock who married Ann Frie in Withyam 1727 links paternally to the Thomas Baldock who married Elizabeth Loofe in Wadhurst 1702 and finally onto the Thomas Baldock who married Alice Manser?
I have the same possibilities sketched out from IGI refs and other scraps but cannot get anything definite either :(
Another Baldock / Manser link is Lydia Baldock who married James Manser in Wadhurst 1815 but that's way too late to help!
Mike
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Thanks Mike,
Lewes records office have confirmed that Thomas and Elizabeth Loofe were the parents of Thomas than married Ann Frie. Unfortunately they were unable to confirm Thomas seniors parents and the information that they did come up with was very confusing like the marriage to Elizabeth Manser but no marriage to Alice despite the children showing Alice as mother?
Might have to take a trip to Wadhurst and wander around in the cemetry.
Will let you know if I find any useful graves, if I don't get arrested, ha ha.
Alan
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Hi Mike,
Hope you're still watching for posts.
Not sure how far you have got with Robert and Susan but have just come across a clue for you.
My Thomas who we suspect to be the father of Robert senior was shown as "old late of Townrow"
on his death record on the Sussex family history site. This would be a connection with your Robert and Susan who I believe you said died in Town Row.
Hope this helps,
Alan
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Hi Alan
Many thanks for that :) Been away for a bit so only just found this!
Which Sussex family history site is it? Do you have a year?
Thanks
Mike
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Hi Mike,
It was the Sussex Family History Group site - http://www.sfhg.org.uk/
This is the entry:-
Rotherfield St. Denys 1539-1799
FORENAME Thomas
SURNAME BALDOCK
BURIAL DATE 7-Oct
YEAR 1772
OTHER old late of Townrow
PLACE Rotherfield
LOCATION St.Denys
Let me know what you think,
Alan
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Hi Alan
Many thanks for that - it does seem to tie in very closely and would make Thomas about 67 when he died. The Town Row bit is very relevant as that area didn't have that many houses at the time!
Is it a members only section of the website? Is it worth joining do you think?
Regards
Mike
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Hi Mike,
Yes it is a members only area and there is a small subscription to join. When you do there is a search area for parish baptism and burial records. I have found it very useful so far. If there is anyone you want me to look for let me know.
Alan
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My line continues with their son William who also married a Mayfield woman, Agnes Holmes and settled there having 4 children. They were living at Huggetts Furnace Farm at one point.
Their son William married Ann Noakes and they settled in Rye where most future generations lived.
I'm a bit confused with this line - I have the William son of William Baldock / Agnes Holmes as marrying a Mary Roalfe in Canterbury 1802...
London Gazette index entry detail
Publication details
Publication date: 27 Mar 1891.
Issue: 26147.
Page: 1803.
Place
Mayfield.
Person details
Name: Agnes Holmes.
Marital Status: Not given.
Address: Huggett's Furnace, Mayfield.
Notes:
BALDOCK—LOUCH. WHEREAS by an Order of the Chancery Division of the High Court of Justice, made in an action re Baldock, Boyton v. Roalfe, 1890, B. , No. 2098, the following enquiries were directed:— 1. Who were the next-of-kin according to the Statutes for the Distribution of Intestates' Estates of Frances Ann Baldock, living at the time of her death. 2. Who were the coheirs in gavelkind of the said Frances Ann Baldock, living at the time of her death. Any persons claiming to be such next-of-kin or coheirs in gavelkind are, by their Solicitor, on or before the 30th day of April, 1891, to come in and prove their claim at the chambers of the Honourable Mr. Justice Kekewich, at the Royal Courts of Justice, Strand, Middlesex, or in default thereof they will be peremptorily excluded from the benefit of the said Order. Frances Ann Baldock, in the said Order mentioned, was a granddaughter of William Baldock, formerly of Huggett's Furnace, in the parish of Mayfield, in the county of Sussex, who died in the month of September, 1779. The said William Baldock was, it is believed, only once married, namely to Agnes Holmes, and there was issue of such marriage, four children, and no more, namely (1) a daughter, Fanny Baldock, (2) a son, William Baldock, (3) a son, Edward Holmes Baldock, and (4) a son, Thomas Baldock. The said Fanny Baldock was married at the parish church of Mayfield aforesaid, on the 1st of October, 1793, to Thomas Louch. Children of the said Fanny Baldock and Thomas Louch, and of the said Thomas Baldock, if living on the 24th of March, 1890, the date of the death of the said Frances Ann Baldock, would be (with others) her next-of-kin and the descendants of the said Thomas Baldock would be coheirs in gavelkind. Thursday, the 7th clay of May, 1891, of twelve, o'clock at noon, at the said chambers, is appointed for hearing and adjudicating upon the claims. — Dated the 25th day of March, 1891.
Batch: GAZ_London-Gazette-01.csv.
Transcribed by:
Michael Metcalfe.
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The point here being that Frances Ann Baldock was also born to William and Mary Roalfe in 1814, as was the sister Mary Elizabeth.
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Hi Evie,
Hope you're still checking the posts.
Have just found out from the Lewes records office that Thomas and Elizabeth Loofe had the following further children:-
Susanna 1703
Richard 1706
John 1707
William 1710
Edward 1713
Benjamin 1720
Henry 1725
John married Ann Swatlen (Swatham) in Wadhurst 1728 and I believe had 2 sons, John 1729 and Thomas 1731 who could possibly be the one that married Sarah Mabb.
Fot info I believe the sibbling marriages were as follows:-
Susanna may have married John Tolhurst in Wadhurst 1732 or John Collins in Wadhurst 1736
William married Elizabeth Watson in Fleet Prison 1734
Benjamin married Mary Collins in Wadhurst 1746
Edward married Deborah Hosmer in Wadhurst 1751
(There is another marriage for Edward to Jane Whatman in Wadhurst 1731 but believe this is another Edward)
Henry married Emma Peavy in Wadhurst 1755
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Hi Alan
Thank you very much for the information, it is very kind of you.
I agree it does look a good possibility that this could be the Thomas that married Sarah Mabb.
Thank again Alan
evie
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Hi Evie,
Done some more digging on John and Ann Swatlen (Swatland) and there seems to be another John born 1695 in Wadhurst, son of William Baldock and Ann Bowyer who is more likely to be the correct one as I beliee Ann was born C1695. It does however seem to be widely agreed that John and Ann were the parents of the Thomas that married Sarah Mabb.
Hope this helps,
Alan
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This may be of interest - from another thread on the family -
Hi, the parents of Thomas Baldock who married Ann Fry (Frie) were John Baldock and Mary Byne. Thomas was baptised in Herstmonceux in 1696, his sister Mary was also baptised there in 1698. John Baldock was buried in Wadhurst in 1730, in his will he mentions his wife Mary and 2 children Thomas and Mary. John leaves an annuity of £4 to his daughter Mary for life to be paid out of proceeds from his lands in Wadhurst. Thomas Baldock (1696-1772) in his 1773 will mentions the £4 annuity to his sister Mary Carrick left to her by their late father. Mary Baldock married first John Cooper then secondly Nicholas Carrick.
Mike
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If you are interested I have several Baldocks in Pluckley and Little Chart around the 1560s-1680s.
Richard, Nicholas,Robert and Anthony seven in total. Yeoman family with Charing conections.
Kaye