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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: PAILMAKER on Tuesday 13 January 09 21:24 GMT (UK)
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I would be grateful of any help regarding the above families. They were mainly travelling showmen (or related to them). I have my Grand Mother - Druscilla Pettigrove - as daughter of Richard Pettigrove and Mary Ann (Polly) Lee.
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I found this site might help you it mentions family of Pettigrove
near london
In the carnival business, or in British English "Traveling Showmen."
It does mention a James Pettigrove who had sons Richard & James ? maybe your line or if not worth checking to see if you can get help from other Pettigrove researchers
http://www.personal.psu.edu/jwd6/pettigro.htm
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Marriage: Polly (Mary Ann) Lee, daughter of Thomas LEE, married Richard PETTIGROVE, 1892, Canterbury Kent. Son George Pettigrove was born March 1896.
http://members.shaw.ca/pauline777/Misc.html
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Thanks for your help, I will have a look and see what else I can find :)
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Pettigrove
Druscilla Pettigrove was the last child of Richard Pettigrove and Polly aka( MaryAnn) ne: Lee.
Richard was the son of Charles Pettigrove aka Frost and Maria Hornby
Charles the son of Richard Pettigrove and Charlotte Yelding
sister to Emma Fosset was mother to Sir Robert Fossett - also have Yelding and Lee details on request.
Druscilla Pettigrove was the sister to my Grandad George Pettigrove
Children and Parents in 1911 census:
PETTIGROVE, RICHARD HEAD MARRIED M 40 SHOWMAN BEXLEY KENT
PETTIGROVE, POLLY WIFE MARRIED 19 F 38 ASHFORD KENT
PETTIGROVE, POLLY DAUGHTER SINGLE F 17 CANTERBURY KENT
PETTIGROVE, EMILY DAUGHTER SINGLE F 15 DOVER KENT
PETTIGROVE, MARIA DAUGHTER SINGLE F 13 CANTERBURY KENT
PETTIGROVE, MATHA DAUGHTER SINGLE F 11 CHALLOCK KENT
PETTIGROVE, GEORGE SON SINGLE M 14 FAVERSHAM KENT
PETTIGROVE, CHARLES SON SINGLE M 5 RUCKINGE KENT
PETTIGROVE RICHARD Address CARAVAN MEADOW FAVERSHAM County Kent
District Faversham Subdistrict Faversham
I also have the census returns back to 1841 for the Lee and Pettigrove family - the Pettigrove family being missing from 1901 census
There are another six children to the family of Richard and Polly:
Polly married name was George
Emily married name Turner died 1956
George - my gdad
Maria - - Married to Jacob Rossiter
Martha *married to Henry Clubb - died aged 21/2
Patience - married name Hills
Richard- married to Louisa died 1981
Sally - married to Beaney
Charles * died aged 22 Woodchurch Kent * B@ Aylesford
Louise - married to Miles
Nora-married to Penfold
Drusilla-married to Sudds
This listing was first given to me by Aunt Drusilla herself in 1990 when I was first tracing the family.
Apart from the Turner/Clubb/Miles lines I have contact with most of the other families.
I also believe that the daughter of Martha is still alive and would
love to make contact. Drusilla was left without her mother as Polly died in 1918 and Richard lived to over 90. I have grave details and photos.
You should note that the details on the Pettigrove site mentioned are not up to date and some details are not correct
I have taken years to sort these out but not yet finished. This is not helped by the following in my line:
George Pettigrove my Gdad - married my GM Eliza Priscillia Baker - they were "cousins"
Ahnentafel Chart; With myself being No: 1 (BUT NOT using my Mums line in this example) this makes the following relatives:
Rita = 1
William = 2
George Petitgrove = 4
Eliza Baker = 5
Richard Pettigrove = 8
Mary Ann (Polly) Lee = 9
William Baker = 10
Priscilia Bundock = 11
Thomas Lee =16
Sarah/Matilda Baker = 17
Charles Frost Pettigrove 18
Maria Horby = 19
I have also researched the Rossiter and Keefes...I look forward to hearing from anyone who can help or wants help
Rita
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Also I should add that the Pettigrove family became Travelling Showmen - starting out as farmers in the West country and moving to London. The Yeldings were showmen starting with "Wax Works" and married into Circus/Fair but the Lee side was Gypsy. I am proud of the fact that I am Gypsy.
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Hi Spursbird,
I am related to the Yelding family but don't know if it is the same one, My grandfather was Mark Yelding born in 1910 and his parents were John Yelding sometimes known as Jack and Priscilla Lee, They married in 1900 but last name was spelt wrong Yielding on marriage cert.
I would love to find out more about that side of my family as Me and my Mum have started to trace the family tree, My Mum always thought that the Yelding's were gypsies but when trying to trace them people do not know the Yelding name as travellers, so it would make more sence if they were showmen.
Appletree
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Hi Appletree
This could be them in the 1891 census at Mitcham in Surrey
John HALDEN head mar 28 cutler b.Ramsgate Kent
Priscilla wife 25 b.Chatham Kent
Emily dau 5 b.Greenwich Kent
John son 3 b.Dulwich Surrey
Bella dau 7m b.Packham Wood Kent
RG12/601 folio 14 page 37
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This family appear to be on the 1911 census (YEALDING in Croydon) but you will need to pay to see the details http://www.1911census.co.uk/
Do you have a copy of John and Priscilla's marriage to give, hopefully, the names and occupations of their respective fathers?
Many of the YELDINGs (and variants) later became HILDENs - they sound very similar with a silent "H" and there were YELDINGs in/from Kent (now HILDENs) who were travellers (not showmen). I think your mum is right - mention the name HILDEN to any Kentish travelling family and they will recognise it ;)
Casalguidi :)
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Hi Casalguidi,
Thank you very much for the information I had a look on the 1911 census and they are my family . The family name is spelt Yelding now.
Thank you once again Appletree
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Lots of your surnames listed in here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gypsy/gypsyc.htm
Pettigrove fair photos
http://www.personal.psu.edu/jwd6/pettigrove%20pictures.htm
apparently still under the same name
http://www.theleisurewebsite.co.uk/home/a0_P/a0_PE/i3209_Pettigrove_W_Fairground_Amusements
;D but weblink not working likely spammed with more historical interests than clients ;D
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Jacob 'Coco' Rossiter and Mariah Pettigrove are in my tree. Im in touch with their granddaughter. Coco and Riah's son in law is related to me. Do any photos exist?
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Jacob 'Coco' Rossiter and Mariah Pettigrove are in my tree. Im in touch with their granddaughter. Coco and Riah's son in law Abraham Roberts is related to me. Do any photos exist?
I can help you on this but not tonight as have something very important to do before the postal strike.....see my post above for details on the Pettigroves - also have details on Roberts family and photos of Coco and Mariah. Rita
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Theres no hurry, Id appreciate anything but only as and when you can. Ive been working on that line (Riah and Coco) only for about 6 months, but I have the parents, grandparents, children etc. Am fascinated with this family! Coco's son in law is still alive, he was very helpful. Spursbird, are you Rita? I saw your post on Romany Roots but I dont use that site now, too much silliness and nastiness from some people.
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Yes its me Spursbird......I have the family back to late 1700's. Maria and Jacob married on 13th Sep 1921 - the 13th is my son's birthday. I was at school with several of the gchildren. My Dad was Bill (William) Pettigrove. Will be able to help you loads - just look up me as Rita Pettigrove Circus Ashford in a google search and private email me.
Have a great memory of Joacob and Ria. We all went out in the lorry to Seasalter - near to Faversahm. Dad drove with Nan and GDad Pettigrove - my Mum Rita and cousin Dick Byng. He was brought up by my GParents....cant remember if my sister was born then (she was born in Sep 1965 - me in Feb 1958)
We went looking for cockles - put them in an old enamel bath and brought them home to my Gparent bungalow. Then over a fire boiled them. Have a photo of them all sitting in the back garden eating them but Jo has it......Also Ria was so stunning when she was young. Have been in touch with D....... for a few years and she has sent me some photos. I have found Rias Mums Grave (Polly aka Mary Ann Lee)in Ashford - from Nov 1918. She has her GDaughter on top of her too. GDad George came back from WWI to find his Mum had just died. There is nothing with her name on it and I do hope to put something onto it with her details. Richard was buried as Richard Frost (long story) and he is at Ashford too. Ria and Jocob I believe are at Charing Crem....
Bit morbid but brought up as a traveller I have been going to funerals since I was a little girl and love to go to the old graves when I find them.
My GDad Geroge Pettigrove and my Nan are related..... Lee sister and brother and this resulted in William Baker who was my Nans Dad. The Lee marriage resulted Polly lee who was my Gdads mother and also Ria's.....follow this.......another sister Ruth Baker married .....Thomas ROSSITER b 1847 Berthersden, Dover, Kent married Ruth BAKER b 1850 Stelling Minnis, Folkestone, Kent**Baker Line - see above- daughter of John BAKER and Mercy at St, Gergory, Canterbury, Kent Thomas was a Genreal Dealer.
Now:Census 1881
Tent, Thomas Rd, Sittingbourne, Kent
Thomas ROSSITER M 30 M Bethersden, Kent, Head, Hawker
Ruth ROSSITER M 28 F Folkestone, Kent, Wife **Baker - see above
Thomas ROSSITER 12 M Dover, Kent, Son
Naomi ROSSITER 9 F Ashford, Kent, Daur (S)
Walter ROSSITER 7 M Dover, Kent, Son
Barbary ROSSITER 5 F Ashford, Kent, Daur, (S)
Stephen ROSSITER 2 M Sittingbourne, Kent, Son
Eliza BAKER 14 F Ashford, Kent, Sister In Law **Not myGMother - see above
Caravans, Thomas Rd, Sittingbourne, Kent
George BAKER M 22 M Willesborough, Kent, Head Hawker **Baker Line - see above
Jemima BAKER M 22 F Harvent, Hampshire, Wife
John MURPHETT (BAKER) 13 M Canterbury, Kent, Adopted Son
John BAKER M 57 M Head, Hawker (Brushes Etc) **My direct Baker Line - see above
Mercy BAKER M 56 F Wife, Hawker **My direct Baker Line
William HARRIS M 28 M Head General Dealer
Elizabeth HARRIS M 28 F Sheerness, Kent, Wife
George HARRIS 9 M Sheerness, Kent, Son
Homey HARRIS 2 M Sittingbourne, Kent, Son
James ROSSITER M 40 M Milton, Kent, Head, Hawker (Brushes Etc)
Susan ROSSITER M 22 F Borough, Middlesex, Wife, Hawker
James ROSSITER 16 M Ramsgate, Kent, Son, Hawker
Jacob ROSSITER M 22 M Maidstone, Kent, Head, Hawker (Brushes Etc)****Not Rias Jacob born too early for that
Abby ROSSITER M 21 F Chatham, Kent, Wife, Hawker
Carry ROSSITER 4 F Bidelington, Kent, Daur
Caravans, Cowper Rd, Sittingbourne, Kent
William STONE M 57 M Head, Brickfield Lab
Mary STONE M 53 F Cranbrook, Kent, Wife
Walter STONE 17 M Son Brickfield Lab
Albert STONE 15 M Romford, Essex, Son Brickfield Lab
Ceclia STONE 12 F Chilham, Kent, Daur
Thomas GOLDSMITH U 32 M Faversham, Kent, Head, Dealer General
Eliza ROBERTS M 30 F Stockbury, Kent, Serv, Caravan Keeper
Sarah ROBERTS 2 F Sittingbourne, Kent, Serv Daur
Manuel BEANY M 24 M Lindfield, Surrey, Head, Brickfield Carter
Mary A. BEANY M 20 F Loose, Kent, Wife
Belsher BEANY 2 M Sittingbourne, Kent, Son
Sarah JONES W 72 F Lenham, Kent, Head
John BAKER M 40 M Head General Dealer **Baker Line - see above
Elizabeth BAKER M 38 F Wife
Rueben BAKER 8 M Sittingbourn, Kent, Son
George BAKER
Haahaa.......so James and Thomas Rossiter being brothers????
Eliza Baker and George Pettigrove had FOUR Grt GParents. Most people have EIGHT.... Have I lots for you!!!! I also have info on the Rossiters back before this and I believe that the Lees/Bakers/ Rossiters also related in the same way as my Gparents - as removed cousins.
Where do u live?? How are you related to them?
Also I have most of the Rossiter family but would love to have yr details on this also
Keep in touch
Rita
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To make more sense of how my Grandparents were related to each other (and also Jacob Rossiter and Maria had the same type of connection) you need to use an Ahnentafel Chart; With myself being No: 1 my Dad = 2. Mum = 3. (BUT NOT using my Mums line in this example) this makes the following relatives:
Rita = 1
William = 2
George Petitgrove = 4
Eliza Baker = 5
Richard Pettigrove = 8
Mary Ann (Polly) Lee = 9
William Baker = 10
Priscilia Bundock = 11
Thomas Lee =16
Sarah/Matilda Baker = 17
John Baker = 20
Mercy Barton = 21
This is my line with the Bakers/Lee but may help you to see how it all works.
The only details I cant get bfore this is for Charlotte Lee .....dont have all the marriage details on all the above but with what I have done and been helped to do believe that theis is all correct
Also
Charles Frost Pettigrove 18
Maria Horby = 19
Ria would follow 8 9 16 17 18 19 32 33 above....with me???I have this side going down the generations......Also Jacob (Coco) and Ria are related......will need to work on that one later.
Your Ahnentafel
The ahnentafel takes the numbering system and uses it to create a continuous list of ancestors instead of a chart. The format would be as follows:
1. your name
2. your father
3. your mother
4. your father’s father
5. your father’s mother
6. your mother’s father
7. your mother’s mother
8. your father’s father’s father
9. your father’s father’s mother
10. your father’s mother’s father
11. your father’s mother’s mother
12. your mother’s father’s father
13. your mother’s father’s mother
14. your mother’s mother’s father
15. your mother’s mother’s mother
16-31. your great-great-grandparents
32-63. your great-great-great grandparents
Rita
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Rita I cant make one of those charts for love nor money, I keep getting hopelessly mixed up. I didnt expect you to reply so soon, thanks. I'll google you to get your email address then mail you. Coco and Riah's daughter Betsy married a Roberts. His brother is my direct ancestor. Or was it his dads brother, I'll have to look at my tree!! Im in touch with Coco and Riahs granddaughter. I have random Lee gypsies in my tree marrying into the Roberts as well. I heard that Coco was related to Leonard Rossiter from Rising Damp. Anyway, I live in Warwickshire not far from Nuneaton and Coventry. Im 33, married with 3 kids and I speak basic Romanes. We go to a couple of horse fairs a year.
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Just a reminder that names & details of any persons living (or possibly living) are not permitted on Rootschat - a couple of posts above have been edited accordingly.
Casalguidi :)
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Hi, Rita
who was the sudds that drusilla married.
thanks, shane.
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Len Sudds, now deceased.
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Thanks Rebekah.
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Hi wonder if anyone could help ,I am doing family tree on my husbands side,his mother was Susan Rossiter born 1921. I see that some of you on here know quite a lot about the Rossiter family and if you could help me I would be grateful.
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Hi Poldhu
Welcome to Rootschat
There appear to have been two Susan/Susie ROSSITERs born 1921 in the Ashford area of Kent - which one is "yours"? Was the maiden name of her mother SMITH or PETTIGROVE ???
Casalguidi :)
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Hi here mothers maiden name was Alice Smith and her father was Alfred Rossiter, I think she had a brother named Joseph Rossiter born 1922,
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Poldhu, yes her brother Joseph was a year younger than her. What do you want to know? I think there was also Mark, Maurice, Alf, Frances, James and Pauline. Alfred and Alice married in 1919, Ashford.
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I think there was also Mark, Maurice, Alf, Frances, James and Pauline
There were three ROSSITER/SMITH couples in the Ashford area at that time and I think these children belong to the three of them - not all Alfred & Alicia who married 25 Oct 1919 Ashford. Alfred was baptised 22 Dec 1888 Sittingbourne although he was born in Gravesend to James ROSSITER and Susan Emma (nee BUTCHER).
Casalguidi :)
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Thanks for the help, looking at the quote I remember her saying she had a brother maurice and sister Pauline,this will help a great deal with the tree and will look up census for other children,if you know any more I would appreicate it again thanks will let you know how Im getting on with tree.
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Hello wondering if there are any photos of Alfred and Alice Rossiter or their children.
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Hi
Just a quick request. I received an email from the Gran Daughter of Susan Rossiter.....two weeks ago. I cant use her name but it begins with D....we have been in touch for years. She sent me her new email address and I have lost it..so can she get in touch again. Sorry I lost it as we have not had a chat for years. Have just found another nice bit of info on the family and will post soon as I canXXX
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Hi there,
I am descended from Richard Pettigrove and Charlotte Yelding via their second son Thomas.
They also had Britton and Ann Emma.
According to the info I have Charles Frost aka Pettigrove was Charlottes son by her first husband who died and not Richard Pettigroves son. I dont have Mr Frosts first name. She also had a daughter Caroline by her first husband.
She married Richard Pettigrove in Oct 1852 and on the marriage certificate she is a widow.
Charles was brought up by Richard Pettigrove but looks like he used his own fathers name of Frost as well as Pettigrove. It would appear that his descendents dropped the name Frost at some point.
In 1851 census you can see Charlotte back home in Beaconsfield with her parents after the death of her first husband with her two children named Frost also there.
Thomas Yelding 54
Ann Yelding 51
Elizabeth Yelding 28
Catherine Farmer 26
Charlotte Frost 24
Henry Yelding 17
Harriet Yelding 8
Ann Lee 16
Caroline Frost 5
Charles Frost 2
She returned to Beaconsfield in later life and was buried there when she died in 1901.
I hope this info helps
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Hi There just found this site, I been in touch with Rita Pettigrove. My grandmother was Maria Pettigrove, she married into the Rossiters, Rita has been very kind, the imfo I have has came from her. Would like to get in touch with any Pettigroves/Rossiters/Frost/Lee/Hills/ Would be great of any imfo on my family. I got some, would share. Best Wishesx
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Hi There PAILMAKER,Yes we are a big family, Wow I would love to stay in touch with you. can we email? Let me know ,
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Researching the Pettigroves/Rossiters. Any help will be great. Send me a message to me, you even might be related? We are a big family!! Many Thanks
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This is the 1911 census transcript for Mariah Pettigrove who married Jacob 'Coco' Rossiter. The family were in a caravan at the fairground near Faversham, I cant read the village name. Looks like Orpinge.
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1911 census transcript for Jacob Rossiters family. The couple had 15 kids, 2 of whom died by 1911.
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Hi Thankyou so much on the Rossiters. So of the imfo I had, Have you any photos. I have a few. And I am sure we are related. You said on the Roberts, side. I knew him as punch!! Am I right. They had girls and 1 boy??
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Hi Rebekahm 28 Can I ask if you go to Stow On The Wold, as they hold a horse. Big one. Hope you don,t mind me asking. I have been in touch with Lenny. Which was nice. We are a big family. Best Wishes
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Sorry message did,nt make sence. Stow On The wold holds a big horse fair every year, Have you ever been Rebekahm 28
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Donkey, his son was Punch (or was it grandson, I havent got my tree with me at min and cant remember), hes still alive in Wales! Punchs daughter is in touch with me. Im Samson Roberts 2xgreat granddaughter but no-one seems to know a deal about that side except me lol. Yes we go to Stow, and also Kenilworth horse fair which is 20 mins from us and kushti! Donkey, I have no photos, only of my great gran Gentila Roberts and her sister Harty.
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Hi Rebekahm, I live 10 mins from Stow mate. So are we related? I will have to look at all my familytree stuff. Get back to me, I can see you are in touch with Rita, She is lovely, she has gave me lots of imfo. I can remmber Punch, because he married my mother sister. Thankyou Rebekahm, Get in touch with me anytime. Diane
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Hi Diane its nice to know your real name lol. I think we're related but how? Im so, so pleased that a couple of people in the family, including you, are proud of their roots! To think our lot were all gypsies in vans & tents and now the descendants mostly dont even know about it. I wonder if any still live the gypsy way, there are Roberts and Rossiters down Sussex and Kent on gypsy sites so we must be related to them. Whenever we go down the Fosse way we always seem to see vardos, more than anywhere else in the country. Punch is still alive, I have 5 brothers/sisters on my tree for him. Its Punchs grandad William Roberts (Jockey) that Im connected to, my granny can remember him, shes 87. I found Jockey in 1911 in a vardo in Wales although they were from Kent & Sussex. **Punch's mam was Lydia Emmett, do you know anything about her? I havent got a thing but its a gypsy name. **
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Spursbird, Im interested in the Fossett link, just out of curiosity. Found this:
Robert Fossett, circus proprietor, Ravensthorpe (Kelly's Directory of Northamptonshire, 1906, p 280)
Robert Fossett circus proprietor, Ravensthorpe (Kelly's Directory of Northamptonshire, 1910)
Robert Fossett circus proprietor, Tiffield, Towcester (Kelly's Directory of Northampshire, 1914)
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Hi Rebekahm, I knew Punch because he married my aunt besy, Before Besy got married her name was Rossiter, I never knew of Punchs dad. I could,nt tell you anything on Punch family, as I said I only remmber Punch. I can tell you on theRossiters side. And Pettigroves. I think the only way we are collected, is throught married. I am too so interested in the family tree. So you don,t live far from me. Please keep in touch. with anymore imfo. Best Wishes Diane x
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Punchs wife Besy/Betsy died in 2002. Their daughter born 1957 is on Facebook but I cant put her name on here as shes still alive. But I have Besy as being the youngest of 11 children. Ive traced back to Richard Rossiter 1757 but dont know where he was born and only have 1 child for him. Take care xx
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Hi Rebekahm, I know they had two girls and 1 boy. My mum passed away in 1998, and I knew that aunt Besy was,nt long after mum. Can we email? I am not sure if we can. Not sure the rules on here. Best Wishes x
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Yes, I have 2 girls and 1 boy for them. My email address will get deleted if I put it on here but I'll private message you.
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How do I private message to you.
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Click on persons nane on left, scroll to bottom of page and it says send this person a message.
shane.
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Thankyou Shane, :)
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Hi
Lydia Emmett, do you know anything about her? I havent got a thing but its a gypsy name. **
About above:
I have some details on the Emmetts but cant find it at the moment....I do think that if I am right they used that name but were Lees...have them on a census somewhere living in vans and tents near to Ashford. Maybe Charing.I will take a good look later,not much else to do as snow is too deep to drive in. Think a visit to Stow could be on the cards this year then girls, my sister Jo went two years ago but I couldnt get time off work.
Catch you all soon. PS I am on facebook (There is only one Rita Pettigrove )
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No, Ive been trying to find out about the Emmett's! I think my family is related to them more than once but only know about Lydia for definate.........dont know a thing about her tho and cant find anything. I cant find you on Facebook!! Your name doesnt come up in the search.
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:)HELLO IVE JUST FOUND THIS SITE AND SAW YOUR MESSAGES BRILLIANT
MY GRANDMOTHER IS THE DAUGHTER OF THE LATE MARTHA FROST WHO MARRIED HENRY CLUBB AND SADLY DIED AT 22 ,2 DAYS AFTER GIVING BIRTH
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU AND MAYBE TELL US MORE ABOUT MY NANS SIDE OF THE FAMILY SHE STILL TALKS OF HER MUM TO THIS DAY.
MANY THANKS HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU SOPHIE
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hi rita would love for you to get in touch and talk about my nan as i see you are looking for her she was clubb before marriage, daughter of martha and henry clubb. the frost pettigrove line i dont know muuch about only the bits my nan remembers but would like to hear more .
also i have only one photo of martha but would be glad for you to have a copy .
all the best sophie
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Hi there sophie, Rita has just got in touch, We are related!!! The infro I have is from Rita, she is great. I have photos, would like to chat more is you want, let me know. Kind Regards Diane
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Hi, I'm new here, so please be gentle with me ;)
My grandmother was a Rossiter, from Kent, so I'm researching the Rossiters.
Got a few pointers that might help...................
REBEKAHM28 - I think the village you can't quite read is Ospringe - it's like a suburb of Faversham now.
Richard Rossiter 1757 - I believe he was born in the Sittingbourne/Milton area, but have yet to prove it, and I also think he had a total of 8 children, but again, I've yet to prove the fact convincingly
SPURSBIRD - I think it's more likely to be Hothfield, rather than Charing. Hothfield Common
always had a gypsy/travellers camp there, and a number of travelling families still live in the village, although in council houses these days. Hothfield is halfway between Ashford and Charing
I'm resident in Ashford, but 'my' Rossiters came mostly from Milton-next-Sittingbourne
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hi
have sent you private msg
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:D
you have reply
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Rita!! I have a photo of Mariah Pettigrove, got it tonight. ;D Also in touch with Mariah's sister Druscilla's grandson Lenny. But I think you are? Mariah's granddaughter may like to hear from you if youre interested. I cant put her name on but she lives in Oxford. Mariah's son in law is still alive, hes 83. The Emmetts in the tree connected to this family were married into the Lees - so I think its the same people. PS, Have added you on Facebook. On my photos see the last page of 'old photos', theres Mariah.
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Hi
Yes I am in touch with them all and they have sent me the photo last month.
Will now check f/b
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I have a Richard Rossiter b. 1813 Milton, who married one of my great great greats, Mary Ann Chapell in 1837 in Sittingbourne...
Does this match anyone's Richard Rossiter?
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umm............
my GGGGGrandfather was Richard's Grandfather
ho hum...............
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Hi see lots on here about EMMETTS /LEES/HILDENS(YIELDINGS)my wifes great great grandfather was an Alexander Emmett who married Gentilia Eldon of chatham their name changed a few times LEE and SMALL after Alexanders mother SUSANNAH LEE and Gentilias mother Charlotte Smale (SMALL) one of the sons af alex and gentilia was frank mitchell small abt 1881 my wifes great grandad
Hi Appletree
This could be them in the 1891 census at Mitcham in Surrey
John HALDEN head mar 28 cutler b.Ramsgate Kent
Priscilla wife 25 b.Chatham Kent
Emily dau 5 b.Greenwich Kent
John son 3 b.Dulwich Surrey
Bella dau 7m b.Packham Wood Kent
RG12/601 folio 14 page 37
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This family appear to be on the 1911 census (YEALDING in Croydon) but you will need to pay to see the details http://www.1911census.co.uk/
Do you have a copy of John and Priscilla's marriage to give, hopefully, the names and occupations of their respective fathers?
Many of the YELDINGs (and variants) later became HILDENs - they sound very similar with a silent "H" and there were YELDINGs in/from Kent (now HILDENs) who were travellers (not showmen). I think your mum is right - mention the name HILDEN to any Kentish travelling family and they will recognise it ;)
Casalguidi :)
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I think there was also Mark, Maurice, Alf, Frances, James and Pauline
There were three ROSSITER/SMITH couples in the Ashford area at that time and I think these children belong to the three of them - not all Alfred & Alicia who married 25 Oct 1919 Ashford. Alfred was baptised 22 Dec 1888 Sittingbourne although he was born in Gravesend to James ROSSITER and Susan Emma (nee BUTCHER).
Casalguidi :)
Was there an alfred following this date. My dad was born around 20's/30's - he had a sister called pauline and they lived in kent - seems suspicious - oh and their parents were gypsys - can anyone answer any of my questions?
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Hi Mdeeming
Welcome to Rootschat
If you go to http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl and enter ROSSITER as the name with mother's maiden name as SMITH you will find a birth entry or two which may be the one(s) you are looking for.
Do you know when/where he died to try and match the age/date of birth given at death with the correct birth entry?
Casalguidi :)
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thank you for your message, it was really helpful, yes he is there 1931 alfred rossiter, can I ask another question, do you know if someone has created a family tree?
Again thank you for your help
Regards
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Most people refrain from passing trees around/publishing them on the internet for persons born within living memory of most people or at least they should so it would depend upon what you know about Alfred's parents .............. names/births/deaths/marriage/residences etc. to enable you to travel backward and place him within the correct family.
Casalguidi :)
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I have 2 Alfred Rossiters: one born 1887 (London), one born 1914 (Ashford). Poss related to yours? Both Romany. The 1914 one was son of William and Emily. The 1887 one was son of James and Susan.
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Hey spursbird
I see u mention Maria pettigrove and Jacob rossiter!
They are my great grand parents I know abit about them as my family as told me but would b very grateful if you have any info for me
Thanks n x
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Hi, I noticed that you have a lot of information on the Pettigrove family. I am trying to track down information on Martha Pettigrove. (Daughter of Drucilla and John)
We are not related by my Granny knew her as a girl when she lived in Lydd, Romney Marsh in Kent and when I was a girl she told me many 'Martha stories' (as they were known) of the little traveller. I even taped a few of the tales and still have this. My Granny was very fond of her and 'Martha stories' will always one of the best memories I have of my Granny!
I noticed that you mentioned her daughter was still alive and I do hope she still is! It would be amazing to get in touch with her and pass on a recording of the stories I have if you are able to point me in the right direction,
Many thanks, Jo
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Do you know Len/Lenny? Druscilla's son or grandson, cant remember. He used to post on Romany Roots, the Kent message board.
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No, I don't know Len but have found transcript of romany roots discussion board... no longer able to post. Would love to get in touch with him if anyone knows how.
From further reasearch have found out it is a different Martha/Drusilla but they are related.
The Drusilla mentioned in these posts, her parents were polly Lee and Richard Pettigrove. Richard had a brother called John who married a Drusilla (Camfield) Martha Pettigrove was one of their children (aswell as Florance, John and Edward.) Would love to know any more information if anyone can shed light?
The family appear to also use the surname Frost if this helps?
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Oh yes they're my lot lol, sort of. Theres an old pic of Martha Pettigrove. Her descendents live in Oxford, the Price girls. Unfortunately Im not allowed to put my email on here. Yes thats right the name Frost was used, as going back one of them had a Pettigrove or a Frost as a stepfather.
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wow, amazing to find someone that knows of her... is it definitely Martha, daughter of Drusilla (nee Camfield) and John Pettigrove rather than Martha, daughter of Polly (nee Lee) and Richard Pettigrove? Do you know much about her?
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I have 3 Martha Pettigroves. One is the daughter of Charles Frost. One the daughter of Richard Pettigrove and Mary Ann Lee. And the other is the daug of John and Druscilla Pettigrove. < This Martha has siblings Edward, Florence and John. In 1911 they were in a wagon in Sidcup, Kent. They actually had 6 kids, but 2 had died by 1911.
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Yes this is the one ;D
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The Martha I have the photo of is Pollys daughter(Mary Ann), and the Price girls are direct descendents of her, so sorry to disappoint you. I havent got anything else on Druscilla's Martha and I havent got anything on her siblings or mother either....although plenty on her father up until 1911. Do you think maybe they emigrated? Or he died, she remarried and the kids changed their name? Really sorry to disappoint you.
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Hi,
I see u mention Mariah n Jacob (coco) Rossiter, I'm tryin to find some more info out about the family as I'm puttin a family tree together I already have some info bout the family like james pettigroves fun fair an have several pictures of Mariah + Jacob an there children jim daisy charlie Alfie flossy. I would b very grateful for any info u could all help me with as I've been doin this now for some time but slowly gettin there
Thanks
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It's nice 2 c my little Nan & grandads name (Drusilla & Len sudds) being talked about. I'm her oldest great grandson, my nan is pat shepherd (sudds) never quite realised how big the family is. I also c my cousins name mentioned on here, little Lenny sudds. I had the privallige of knowing my nanny dru up untill my 20's never really realised or talked about her past and upbringing with her. Ive seen pics and that now which my nan pat has. She talks about aunt page and others, I'm still confused who r who and how there related but I'm learning. it's nice 2 here about the family. If I can help in anyway then let me know. Leon
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wow, amazing to find someone that knows of her... is it definitely Martha, daughter of Drusilla (nee Camfield) and John Pettigrove rather than Martha, daughter of Polly (nee Lee) and Richard Pettigrove? Do you know much about her?
John Frost aka Pettigrove. Do you know where they lived? I dont know much about my GDads uncles but I did know one had an accident with a showmans engine and a man was killed. Another may have had an arcade in E Sx. The name of Drusilla was not in the family until my GDads sister was called that and I didnt know where the name came from, must have been from their sister in law Drusilla Camfield. Martha my GDads sister was Martha Clubb. Do you know who the other Martha married? What years dd you know the? Any photographs? Kind regards. Rita
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I can give info about Mariah, private message me.
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Hi
Charles Frost's father, so Charlotte Yelding's first husband was also called Charles Frost. His father, so grandfather of Charles Frost jnr (Pettigrove) was John Frost.
I'm a descendent of Thomas Yelding 1795-1879 and Ann Chapman(we think) 1800-1891
My line is John Yelding and Martha Fossett. John Yelding was your Charlotte Yelding's sister.
Hope you get this
Pete
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Hi Rita, this is 10 years later so might not be seen, but was wanting to ask about any knowledge you have on the Lees in relation to Yeldings?
I'm descended from Thomas Yelding and Ann Chapman (parents of Charlotte Frost then Pettigrove). Thomas was a travelling musician/artist and down in one census as "Marine Store Dealer". But we know that he gave his Grandson, famous puppeteer Thomas Holden, his prized Marionette, so we think that 'Marine store' is more likely to be something to do with Marionettes.
His wife Ann Chapman is down in censuses as 'Hawker' and Travellers wife. She is daughter to a William Chapman and Susannah Hill.
On the 1851, once he and Ann have settled, they have staying with them an Ann Lee aged 16, described as niece. Do you think it will be the Yeldings or the Chapmans that this Ann Lee is connected to?
I think there might be connection between Ann Chapman and Ellen Chapman, born a generation later whose brother married one of the Fossetts in my family. Ellen and her brother William were born to Henry Chapman and Harriet Hill. Henry Chapman would've been the same generation as Ann Chapman, and married Hill, Ann Chapmans mother's name. I wonder if this fits in with Lees in any way too?
I can't get back any further on Thomas Yelding (1795), but I have a feeling that my line of Yeldings were travellers before they became showmen. This would be supported by who Thomas married and by other families we were connected to (Gill, Manley, Redman, Mayo, Chapman), as well as the circus families (Fossett, Holden, Ginnett), but I can't find this Ann Lee niece connection any where.
Do you have any thoughts?
Thank you in hope that you see :)
Pettigrove
Druscilla Pettigrove was the last child of Richard Pettigrove and Polly aka( MaryAnn) ne: Lee.
Richard was the son of Charles Pettigrove aka Frost and Maria Hornby
Charles the son of Richard Pettigrove and Charlotte Yelding
sister to Emma Fosset was mother to Sir Robert Fossett - also have Yelding and Lee details on request.
Druscilla Pettigrove was the sister to my Grandad George Pettigrove
Children and Parents in 1911 census:
PETTIGROVE, RICHARD HEAD MARRIED M 40 SHOWMAN BEXLEY KENT
PETTIGROVE, POLLY WIFE MARRIED 19 F 38 ASHFORD KENT
PETTIGROVE, POLLY DAUGHTER SINGLE F 17 CANTERBURY KENT
PETTIGROVE, EMILY DAUGHTER SINGLE F 15 DOVER KENT
PETTIGROVE, MARIA DAUGHTER SINGLE F 13 CANTERBURY KENT
PETTIGROVE, MATHA DAUGHTER SINGLE F 11 CHALLOCK KENT
PETTIGROVE, GEORGE SON SINGLE M 14 FAVERSHAM KENT
PETTIGROVE, CHARLES SON SINGLE M 5 RUCKINGE KENT
PETTIGROVE RICHARD Address CARAVAN MEADOW FAVERSHAM County Kent
District Faversham Subdistrict Faversham
I also have the census returns back to 1841 for the Lee and Pettigrove family - the Pettigrove family being missing from 1901 census
There are another six children to the family of Richard and Polly:
Polly married name was George
Emily married name Turner died 1956
George - my gdad
Maria - - Married to Jacob Rossiter
Martha *married to Henry Clubb - died aged 21/2
Patience - married name Hills
Richard- married to Louisa died 1981
Sally - married to Beaney
Charles * died aged 22 Woodchurch Kent * B@ Aylesford
Louise - married to Miles
Nora-married to Penfold
Drusilla-married to Sudds
This listing was first given to me by Aunt Drusilla herself in 1990 when I was first tracing the family.
Apart from the Turner/Clubb/Miles lines I have contact with most of the other families.
I also believe that the daughter of Martha is still alive and would
love to make contact. Drusilla was left without her mother as Polly died in 1918 and Richard lived to over 90. I have grave details and photos.
You should note that the details on the Pettigrove site mentioned are not up to date and some details are not correct
I have taken years to sort these out but not yet finished. This is not helped by the following in my line:
George Pettigrove my Gdad - married my GM Eliza Priscillia Baker - they were "cousins"
Ahnentafel Chart; With myself being No: 1 (BUT NOT using my Mums line in this example) this makes the following relatives:
Rita = 1
William = 2
George Petitgrove = 4
Eliza Baker = 5
Richard Pettigrove = 8
Mary Ann (Polly) Lee = 9
William Baker = 10
Priscilia Bundock = 11
Thomas Lee =16
Sarah/Matilda Baker = 17
Charles Frost Pettigrove 18
Maria Horby = 19
I have also researched the Rossiter and Keefes...I look forward to hearing from anyone who can help or wants help
Rita
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My Nan was Polly pettigrove who married beaney (Richard my grandad)
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My family (Fuller/Fletcher) lived in winter quarters with Pettigroves at Stonebridge, London back in the day. I'm friends with Pettigrove Showmen based in Buckinghamshire, good old family.