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Some Special Interests => One Name Studies => One Name Studies: H to M => Topic started by: HollyMM on Thursday 22 January 09 02:26 GMT (UK)
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My great-great grandparents, Mello Jackobus Schenkel (born in Utrecht, Holland) and Myra Martha Morey immigrated to New Zealand on the Strathallan in around 1859. All I know is that Myra was born in around 1843 in Worcester, England, and died in New Zealand in 1913.
They had eleven children all together (all had last name 'Schenkel'). A lot of them had a curious habit of dying during either WW1 or WW2...with none (except one) even serving in either World War!
1. Elizabeth Helen (b. 1863; d. 1940)
2. Alice Katherine (b. 1864; d. 1915)
3. Roelofe Morey (b. 1866; d. 1940)
4. Edward Mello (b. 1868; d. 1918)
5. Ernest Alfred (b. c.1868; d. 1946)
6. Harry Holst (b. 1870 (stillborn))
7. Arthur King (b. 1871; d. 1936)
8. Selina (Selvia) Holst (b. 1872; d. 1873)
9. Ada (b. 1874; d. 1947)
10. Annie (b. 1875; d. 1876)
11. Ella (b. 1882; d. 1956)
I do not know the siblings of Mello Schenkel, but apparently Myra (or Mira, spelling may differ) had a number of siblings (her mum and dad were Edward William MOREY and Charlotte KING).
Myra's siblings (all with last name MOREY):
1. Elizabeth (b. 1850; d. 1922)
2. Helen Ann (b. 1858; d. 1930)
3. Harry Edward (b. 1860 (stillborn))
4. Alfred Roelofe (b. 1861; d. 1868)
5. Annie Charlotte (b. 1864; d. 1932)
So if anyone recognizes a name from their family tree that appears to fit in this branch, please post or PM me. :)
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Hi Holly,
Just stumbled across your message.
You may want to cross check but Edward William Morey & Charlotte King were married in the Alverstoke registration district in Hampshire.
The birth of Martha Mira Morey (2nd c. 4x r.) was registered in the Fareham registration district in 1846.
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Hi there Holly, not sure if you will get this message now, but Alice Katherine Schenkel is my great grandmother, marrying my unknown great grandfather George Semple Johnson. I am only now tracing the family tree and have discovered a whole suite of "lost" family in the South Island. I would love to hear if you are still researching the family and how far you have got as a DD in South Australia has sent me a complete Schenkel history.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Sharon Johnson
:)
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Hi Sharon
I am descended from arthur king. have been doing a bit of research too. figured out there is a few relatives in the south island.
to Holly - mello does have a few siblings. he is from the 3rd wife of his father!!! and was 9years when dad died.
Nice to connect with other family
cheers
Karenf
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Hey karen, Fantastic! Thanks for the update re Mello as I have a few gaps to fill. Yes, we hjave discovered a lot of Johnsons in the South Island too! Happy hunting and yes, it is wonderful to connect with family!
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Hi Guys
Sharon I am also descended from Arthur King, have you seen the book from north to south that Joan Maxwell put out last year, it fulls in his tree nicely. I am thinking of doing something similar on Mello.
I have been trying to get some details on the early life of Mello and have the following.
While Roelof was married three times and had a number of children from his earlier marriages very few made it to adulthood. It appears that two daughters from his first marriage survived to adult hood and married, one died not long after her marriage and before mello was born. The other had 4 sons. There may have been one son who survived to adulthood, however i have seen him reported as dying in infancy however stumbled across a death record for him putting him at 41 when he died in Indonesia (it is Remke Roelof schenkel). I will be delving into this a bit further if i can.
Of his second marriage there was one girl who died at the age of 10.
After Roelofs death Trijntje went on to have two illegitimate sons who bear the surname Oden.
Mello's birth record is here
Source Civil register - Birth
Archive location Tresoar, Frysk Histoarysk en Letterkundich Sintrum
General Municipality: Ameland
Type of record: Geboorteakte
Record number: B 27
Registration date: 07-12-1831
Child Mello Baukes Schenkel
Gender: M
Date of birth: 05-12-1831
Father Roelof Schenkel
Mother Trijntje Klazen Oden
There are a huge number of south island relatives! Hope some of this is helpful.
Thanks
Liz Johnstone
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Hi Liz, fantastic, thank you. I wondered about Roelef having more than the one son who deceased as there were gaps in records. I will investigate this further too thank you.
There is to be a Johnson family reunion next year in the South Island, so the more we have the better. All these Johnsons are descended from Alice Katherine Schenkel and George Semple Johnson. I for one, am looking forward to meeting the family we never knew existed!
Haven't heard back from Holly - are you still around Holly? have you got any further?
Kindest regards
Sharon
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Liz on another matter, what is the full name of the book and who wrote it? Where could I acquire a copy???
Thanks
Sharon
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Hi Sharon.
I have just realised that Karen is the one who is descended from Arthur King. There is a lady called rosalie in Salt water creek who has a lot of information on all the family including George semple johnson (who i believe either worked with or for mello at one stage before marrying his daughter.
I have only seen one death confirmation for the boys from roelof's first marriage and it is for Remke, i have two other sons listed for that marriage Ongedoopt who i have as both born and died in 1794 and Mello born 1800 (no death found yet), however i have only just started looking into this family so hopefully i will tidy this up.
For our Mello i have three brothers Nicolaas who died aged 24, Roelof who died aged 60 and Jan who died aged 1 as well as his sister Elisabeth who lived until 90.
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Hi Liz
What is the last name of rosalie in salt water creek? how can i contact her?
George johnson did work for mello. also emmanuel holst was a good friend of mello and married myras sister.
i have also found half brother nicolass dying in south africa, but havent researched further to make sure its the right one.
how are you related? who are your descendents? just trying to figure out where you fit in, in my head.
Karen
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Hi, I just typed in Mello Schenkel as he was my great great...grandfather. I am a 5th generation New Zealand descendant. My Aunty has studied the family geneology in depth and would know a lot more. There are Schenkels in the South Island of New Zealand, including the Kings, but my Grandparents moved to the Waikato, North Island when my Dad was 15 and were Dairy Farmers. My Dad, his sister and brother are still living in the North Island. My cousins live in England and New Zealand. Be great to have a family reunion. Feel free to contact us.
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hi camp mother
My grandparents also moved to the waikato with 5 kids. alex and elsie schenkel.
I have managed to find out quite a bit about myra and mello and their descendents , but am now looking for journals, diaries etc that any of them may have kept. Am trying to contact south island relations but they not very forthcoming!!!
what is your name? mine is karen
cheers
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Merry Christmas Karen :) This is your Couz Maree. We're at Waitawheta Camp. Give me a call or visit anytime.
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Hi ponsychick
If you are descended for Alex and Elsie then you are related to Joan Maxwell, she has written a book that I mentioned earlier that contains a lot of information on Alex and his father Arthur, there is also a book that my grandmother wrote that was all the old farm diaries of the family, Joan has updated this and made it far more readable apparently (I haven't seen her book). maybe get in contact with her and she will know a lot about the diaries and I know she knows a lot about the south island family.
Good luck
Liz