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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: Makem on Saturday 24 January 09 12:25 GMT (UK)
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Hi i have managed to trace my ancestry back to a John Mcgeorge who was a LInen HLW and lived in charles street Dundee and was born in 1831 or 1832 he married an Elizabeth nee Hill they moved to north east of england and had 3 children John in 1859,George William in 1867,and James Wallace who was my great grandfather in 1870 born in Sunderland which us where we live now ,if anyone can give me any information or point me as to how i may go back even further ,i would be very greatful maybe a trip to Dundee itself would prove to be fruitful.thanks again
Gordon Mcgeorge
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Hi Gordon
Welcome to Rootschat :)
I think this is their marriage reg~
John McGeorge and Elizabeth Hill are on the same page :
Dec q, 1856, Sunderland, vol 10a page 483
If you get this cert, their fathers' names and occupations will be on it and you can work backwards from there.
Regards
Gadget
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Hi thanks very much for that info i will look where you say and see what i can come up with.
Makem
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Do report back when you have the details and we can look further :)
It's rather ironic that here I am, in Newcastle, talking to you in Sunderland about your Scottish ancestors :)
Gadget
(I do have a Black Cats season ticket mind ;) )
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Hi again Makem
Trying to make some progress on this for you.
I notice that on the 1871, John is listed as a mariner RG10/5016 Folio 76 page 67
36 New Grey Street, Sunderland
McGeorge
John, 39, mariner, b. Scotland
Elizabeth, 37, b.Lanchester, Durham
John, 12
George William, 4
James Wallace, 1
Children all b. Sunderland
By 1891, Elizabeth is dead and John is married to a Mary Ellen. He states, b. Dundee. RG12/4137 Folio 64 Page 52
Is this your family?
Where did you get the information that he was:
a LInen HLW and lived in charles street Dundee and was born in 1831 or 1832
Gadget
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Hi I’m also trying to get information on this John McGeorge. His son George William McGeorge was my great great grandfather. I’ve seen varying birth places for this John, either in Dundee or Edinburgh circa 1831. Did either of you get any further with him? Thanks!
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Hi Tom and welcome to Rootschat :)
I don't think Gordon has been on since he posted so not sure if he found anything further.
Did you find anything from the ScotlandsPeople site? I've not found a birth in either Forfarshire or Midlothian so far. The marriage cert would give his father's name.
I've just looked on the 1881:
This census has John born Liberton, Midlothian. Still down as a Mariner/Seamman
Reference is
1881 - 36 New Gray Street, Sunderland
RG11/5002/69/50
Gadget
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There is an interesting entry in 1841:
Byker Hill, Newcastle/Tyne
Esther MacGeorge, 50
Isabella, 20, dressmaker
Maria, 20
John, 10, coalminer
David, 9, coalminer
All b. Scotland
Did you get this one?
Gadget
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Esther, John and David (from the 1841) are in Tynemouth in 1851. John and DAvid are still entered as coalminers and b Scotland, Galway (presume Galloway).
Not at all sure about this family.
Gadget
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The 1891 show the family still in Sunderland but Elizabeth must have died and John is married to a Mary Ellen (?Todd). James Wallace is still with them so it is the same family as the 1871.
John is now down as born , Dundee.
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Gadget
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Gadget, this is also a Galloway name, given in "Galloway Gossip!" variously as McJore, Georges & Ure!
Skoosh.
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Hi Gadget,
Thanks for the reply.
Another member of the Mcgeorge clan have been trying to track John. He remarried later in life to Mary Ellen and on this marriage certificate his father was included as David, a solicitor. I can’t find any record of him though. It also states john was born in Dundee which contradicts the information on his first marriage certificate which says Midlothian. It’s a real mystery !
I’ve seen the Mcgeorge family from Byker, they don’t tie up with the family in Sunderland unfortunately.
The belief is that our John came down from Dumfries/Galloway however finding the right birth details seems impossible!
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And thanks Skoosh too!
Another mystery of this family is that John’s son, George William introduced a tradition of adding Roseberry as a middle name to his son Ernest. This tradition then carried on until it got to me and my parents didn’t carry it on. I’ve found another John McGeorge who married a Mary Roseberry in the Durham area. Seems to much of a coincidence not to be related somehow?!?
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Gadget, this is also a Galloway name, given in "Galloway Gossip!" variously as McJore, Georges & Ure!
Skoosh.
I'll have to get mine down.
So we have him born Dundee, D & G and Liberton. I'll check D & G records for David McGeorge.
Do you have the 1856 marriage cert, Tom:
I think this is their marriage reg~
John McGeorge and Elizabeth Hill are on the same page :
Dec q, 1856, Sunderland, vol 10a page 483
If you get this cert, their fathers' names and occupations will be on it and you can work backwards from there.
I've had a look on Durham Record online but nothing so far.
Gadget
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New Abbey
Born 6th July 1831 1829, bpt 26th. John son of David McGeorge and Jane Young, Ingleston Hillhead.
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Ingleston in New Abbey:
https://tinyurl.com/y79bzc8a
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Just adding this as interesting ~
There is a baptism of a Mary McGeorge in Castle Douglas in 1834, the 'illegitimate daughter of David McGeorge'. Mother was Agnes Weir.
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In addition to John bpt 1829, David McGeorge and Jean Young also had the following children baptised at New Abbey:
11 June 1831 - James
22 July 1834 - William
30 Oct 1836 - Anna Jean
3 Nov 1839 - Mary
They married New Abbey 21 November 1828
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This looks like the family in 1841
David is an ag lab rather than a solicitor -
Glasgow Street, Troqueer
David, 35, Ag Lab b. KKD
Jane, b. Scotland
James,11, b. KKD
Anne, 4, b -do-
Mary, 1, b. -do-
Gadget
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Gadget, this is also a Galloway name, given in "Galloway Gossip!" variously as McJore, Georges & Ure!
Skoosh.
I’ll track down the 1956 marriage certificate and let you know!
I'll have to get mine down.
So we have him born Dundee, D & G and Liberton. I'll check D & G records for David McGeorge.
Do you have the 1856 marriage cert, Tom:
I think this is their marriage reg~
John McGeorge and Elizabeth Hill are on the same page :
Dec q, 1856, Sunderland, vol 10a page 483
If you get this cert, their fathers' names and occupations will be on it and you can work backwards from there.
I've had a look on Durham Record online but nothing so far.
Gadget