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Some Special Interests => One Name Studies => One Name Studies: N to S => Topic started by: corinne on Thursday 10 February 05 21:22 GMT (UK)
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SENNETT - all in UK
also the following variants:
SENNET, SENNITT and other variants - Yorkshire only
SYNNOTT, SINNOTT - Co Wicklow, Dublin only
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Hi,
I have a Charlotte Sennette, born South Stoneham, Hampshire, died about 1860 Bitterne.
Any connection or knowledge??
Regards
Maureen
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I have James Sinnott born circa 1821 in Dublin. Father's name John. Any connections or knowledge?
Busybod
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I'd be really interested in knowing more about this one, as it could link with mine. Do you have any siblings names? who were the descendents, and where did they go to? When did they leave Ireland?
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I believe yr Sennetts originate from Cambridge (I too am a Sennett) they come from Cottenham as far back as 1500 and then Stretham in Cambridge, spelt Sennitt, yr side i believe moved with a David Sennitt to Yorkshire. But there is also a branch in St Michaels Mount, Cornwall who we are still trying to trying to marry up with the Cambridge lot!!! My immediate family are Londoners.
Hope this helps.
Mags.
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Corinne
I dont have too much info about my James. As I say, his Father was John, they were both Journeymen Upholsterers. Have not been able to find out whether James had any siblings. He married a lady named Maria Carson from Armagh (again, not sure whether this was the city or county). They came over to England, not sure what year. They were married in Leeds, West Yorkshire in 1865 by which time they had 3 children - Maria, James Thomas and John George.
Busybod
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Mags, I believe the Cambridge Sennitts were a completely different lot to the Cornwall ones or most of the Yorkshire ones. The Cornwall ones also originated from Ireland much more recently (probably 1800's) than your long history of Cambridge Sennitts, so I very much doubt if you will ever be able to match them up. Likewise the Yorkshire ones. I have charts that link almost all the West Yorkshire Sennetts (may have been Sinnott in Ireland). Several related families came to the Normanton/Whitwood area of Yorkshire around the same time - 1847-48. In addition there were a few other families (also from Ireland) who had been in other parts of West Yorkshire (I know of one in Bradford) from at least 1840ish. As always, I have found a few odd ones that don't link to any of the Irish families that appear on Yorkshire censuses with birthplaces closer to yours, and who might indeed be related to your Cambridge ones. Apart from all these Sennetts, there is one other lot that I haven't investigated much further, and they are ones based around London. Someone on ancestry or rootsweb has put a fairly detailed history of this group, but again, they have been in the UK much longer than the Irish Sennetts. You might find though that this lot links in with yours.
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Hi Corinne, its probable my tree yr talking about on Ancestry, altho the original spelling is SENNITT, my Dad changed it after my eldest sister who is a Sennitt was born and we are all SennETT's, (dont ask me why tho). There is a branch of Sennetts in Middlesex as my (semi) foster daughter's brother is married to one, which i found very strange as her father has the same name as my dad, a bit like deja vue!!! Her name is Maria and my Sister's middle name is Maria too, but they maintain they are from the Cornwall line tho.
I do have the baptism records from Cottenham, Cambs and there are olso Sinnotts and Synots, all spelt differently.
Thanx for replying.
Regards Mags.
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"I am Sennett!"
Okay, so I have Sennett relatives who were Mining in Durham in the Willington/Tudhoe area. I have got back as far as James Sennett, who was born 1833 in Co. Wicklow, according to a Census entry later on. He married a Durham lass, and that's where it all started. A few of my Sennetts made their way to the Midlands around 1900. One married into Showbiz big time when he became the third husband of Tony Hancock's mother in 1960!
I'd be delighted to share info & see where they all fit together? By the way, I see Sinnett, Sinnott, Sennet, Sennett - they all seem interchangeable.
Regards,
Lisa
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My Grandfather was James Sennett born abt 1902 married Eva Rouse 1928.
He died in Hull in 1962.
I am trying to find any information on his background.
The only reference to James Sennett born around that time is from Durham.
Any help is gratefully received
Regards
Neil
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I think your man might be this one that I found in the Yorkshire BMD index:
SYNNETT, James, b Hessle, Hull, 1902, ref HES/49/235.
I wouldn't worry too much about the difference in spelling. I've found quite a lot of variant spellings in my Sennetts - if they weren't highly literate, then it would have been the registry clerk who wrote it down as they thought it should be spelled.
Do you have the full list of their children? I have a list of ten of them, the first two died within their first year so only 8 survived to adulthood.
I'd be really interested to keep in touch with you, as I have begun a one name study on SENNETTS and it would be good to compare notes with you. At this point I'm not sure if your Sennetts link with mine (primarily the descendants of Joseph SENNETT and Julia Ann RYAN, who immigrated to Whitwood in 1847 and two or three possible siblings of Joseph). If you do get James' birth certificate, please let me know who his parents are.
If you send me a private message, I can give you my personal email address.
Corinne Curtis
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Lisa,
Can you send me a private message too? I'd love to keep in touch and fill out some more links between the increasing database entries I have for Sennetts.
Corinne
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Have been busy updating my SENNETT database with a lot of new information, so would love to hear from anyone else researching this name.
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Lisa,
Can you send me a private message too? I'd love to keep in touch and fill out some more links between the increasing database entries I have for Sennetts.
Corinne
Sorry, Corinne missed this - glad you were persistent!!
Lisa
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Lisa, I'll send you a private message too just to make sure you get it, but posting on the message board because others might like the info too.
www.rootsireland.ie is quite a good resource. You do have to pay to actually get a transcript of the entry, but can do quite a bit of backgrounding by looking through the indexes. You can even be sneaky with it if you have a lot of time and an uncommon surname by narrowing down to parish, and then going through the alphabet as the first initial of first name. This worked really well for me when I actually knew the parish for one person, and wanted to see if any siblings there as well. I then managed to keep to a reasonable budget for actually getting the transcripts and out of 8 that I had guessed at, 7 were actually mine!
So, Lisa, the ones that might be relevant to you are a number of James Sinnotts in Wicklow around 1833. If you don't have a better idea of the parish or of any siblings, then it may not help. There is one for 1834 which is probably the closest, but I wouldn't count on it definitely being yours - I have found too much discrepancy in dates given in UK censuses in my own ones to be that specific about it. The confusing bit with yours is that there are also three more James' in 1830 and one in 1835, and at this stage I would say that any of the six could be yours.
If you want to see the actual records, then the microfilms are in the national library in dublin. Its well worth a trip there, once you have a bit better idea where you are looking. I had a few preconceived ideas and it wasn't until I returned home that I realised where one of my assumptions was wrong and so I have missed the potential to go a lot further back. Still, there is always a next trip!
If you have money, then the Wicklow Family history centre will do the research for you and write you up a report.
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Thanks very much, Corinne, very helpful!
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Just to let everyone know that I have now officially registered my SENNETT/SINNOTT one name study with the Guild of One-Name Studies. Part of my obligation in doing this is that I have agreed to respond to all queries from people researching these names without charging for the service (I might have to make a basic charge for printing or postage if that is requested, though not for email responses).
I'd like to make this a really good archive and database for SENNETT research so if anyone wants to help with developing this one-name study, or has scans or copies of certificates etc, it would be great to hear from you. Also I am really happy to compare your research and charts to mine, see if there are any differences, and pass on any extra information I have.
One thing I am going to work hard on now is identifying how many separate family lines there are (in the UK initially). I have already managed to link almost all of the Yorkshire Sennetts to one common ancestor. I know that many of the London/Middlesex ones link to another distinct line, and I believe when I get going on them most of the Cornwall SENNETTs will also be able to be linked to one or two distinct families.
I'm also working on getting a website up as soon as possible which will give some basic searchable information from my databases (names, events and years, but not including recent generations or living people).
I have registered SINNOTT as a variant, as this is the original Irish spelling for the Yorkshire SENNETTs. I have also found a number of other different spellings but as most of these appear to be just mis-spellings rather than true variants I haven't registered them yet.
The success of one-name studies usually relies on a number of people sharing and checking information, so I hope some of you with SENNETT connections will help me develop this database that already has around 5000 entries!
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Hi
I've just found this chat room and seen your interest in the Sennett family. I've been researching my maternal side of the family and Joseph and Julia Sennett from Wicklow living in Whitwood are my 3 x great grandparents. I'm related to them through their daughter Juliana who was also born in Wicklow and she married James McGowan. I also found out that Julia's maiden name was Ryan. However my research didn't go back any further and I was wondering whether you would be able/willing to share any insights into their origins.
Many thanks.
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Gellies, great to hear from you. Joseph Sennett and Julia Ann Ryan are my direct ancestors too - my line comes down through one of the younger children - their 10th child Edward b 1858.
Juliana (Julia Anna) SENNETT, your ancestor, was christened in Wicklow 18th Jun 1845 at Temple Rainy Chapel, Avoca Parish, Co Wicklow. There were actually at least four children born to Joseph and Julia Ann in Wicklow before they emigrated to Whitwood sometime during 1847/48, however only two (James and Juliana or Julia Anna) were still alive at the 1851 census. I have the christening details of all of these.
I was in Ireland last year and had some wonderful breakthroughs with finding this information, however it came on my last day or so there, so I didn't really have time to push it much further back. I believe I may have the christening details for Joseph and a couple of his brothers, although there are still some things that don't quite make sense in these earlier generations, in particular accurately sorting out the different people with the same first names.
My possible christening details for Joseph Sennett are:
- Joseph Sinnott, son of James and Mary Sinnott, born Kilmacoo (Avoca valley), christened 16 Dec 1816 at Castlemacadam Church of Ireland, Co Wicklow.
If this is the right one, then there are at least two more brothers:
- Francis Sinnott, born Kilmacoo, chr 1 Jan 1811, Castlemacadam Church of Ireland
- Edward Sinnott, born Kilmacoo, chr 4 Oct 1813, Castlemacadam Church of Ireland
This Edward could be the Edward Sennett who also emigrated to Whitwood, Yorkshire between 1841 and 1851 and who married Bridget Quin on 22 Nov 1853 at Halliwells Chapel, Tanshelf, Pontefract. They did not have any children.
From a couple of different descendant lines there is the family story that they came from Rathdrum - Castlemacadam parish is a neighbouring area to Rathdrum, so this fits. Also Castlemacadam is on the edge of the Avoca mining area, which is where the children were born and where Joseph probably worked.
I ran out of time to look for a marriage of Joseph to Julia Ann. I stayed at a b & b only a few miles from Temple Rainy Chapel and the woman who ran it told me that Ryan was definitely a common Catholic family name for that area. I'm now wondering if the Sinnotts were not originally catholic but Joseph converted when he married Julia Ryan.
All the above information needs checking and confirming, and in particular the marriage of Joseph and Julia Ann Ryan needs to be found, however I believe there is at least one other couple with the same names around the same time (but in a slightly different area) just to confuse things. I think there are also two James Sennett/Sinnotts of the right kind of age to be the father of Joseph - one a joiner and one a miner. These also need sorting out. And I'd like to confirm how James Sennett (b abt 1804 and married Martha White, then also emigrated to Whitwood) is related to Joseph, because they do appear to be related in the way members of each family are names on certificates of the other family as witnesses or informants).
I'll send you a personal message so you can get my email contact details. I'd love to hear more of what you have found out, see how that compares with my research, and pass on anything that is relevant to you that you don't already have.
Are you still living in the Normanton area? It seems like a lot of the descendants of Joseph and Julia are still, with the exception of my line, where Joseph's grandson Edward (b 1883) moved his wife Fanny and children to Aylesham in Kent to work in the Snowdown colliery in about 1926. Most of those descendants are now in the south of England.
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Hi Corinne
Thanks for the information and your message which I will reply to.
Unfortunately I know very little about the Sennetts as I'd never heard them mentioned by anyone in my family - they came as a pleasant surprise to me. Julia A married James McGowan on 6 May 1861 and they had several children including Rose Ann or Rose Annie who was the earliest person I'd heard about. Rose married a McManus and this was the line I was originally looking into. At some stage they moved the short distance to Batley. Prior to my research I was unaware of the Whitwood connection.
Kind regards.
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hi i have just read through that you are trying to trace the sennett family name .... i am a sennett from the cornish side originating from st michaels mount i still live in cornwall and have traced the sennetts moving from cornwall to australia america and also to merseyside. The sea, boat/ship building being the reason. Before knowing all this i happened to join the navy.... any way if i can be of any help let me know..............
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Hi
As far as I know I'm only related to the Yorkshire Sennetts though it would be nice to also have roots in Cornwall - a lovely place. Thanks for the offer of help.
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Hi Corinne,
Im a Yorskshire Sennett, well an Aylesham Sennett. My family came down as miners to work at the Snowdown Collery. My grandparents then went back to Maltby, Rotherham. I wonder how we are related? My granddad was Thomas Sennett.
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Laura,
I've sent you a private message with my personal email address in it. If you contact me on that then I can send you a whole load of detail on the family tree, plus some photos of your grandfather, his brothers and sisters and his parents (Edward and Fanny).
My grandmother Phyllis Mary (b 1907 in Normanton) was the oldest sister of Thomas Sennett b 1917. Is that your grandfather, or great grandfather? I have details on four generations further back from that. I'd love to know more detail on Thomas's descendants, but as they will be living people you would have to share that by private email or messaging.
Corinne
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New members usually need 3 posts to send and receive PMs.
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Yes, I thought that might be the case about PMs, which is why I have let Laura know my private email address. You also can't send documents via the messaging system.
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I have been looking into the history of the Sennett family on behalf of my son in law who has always believed that Richard Sennett 1847 - 1891 was his g x 2 grandfather. It would appear that this is not the case!
However his great x 2 grandmother was Amelia Sennett - born 1870 (parents William J and Charlotte Johns). There must be some connection between Amelia and Richard for his family to have held this belief.
Does anyone have information to hand so that I can pass it on and the connection be corrected within the family?
Regards
Carol
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Whoops! I forgot to add that these Sennetts are from Cornwall around St Michael's Mount. I do know about Richard's history. It is where the misconception has occurred that I am interested in!
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Yes, cwelli, there is a connection, but its not the most straightforward. The common ancestor of both Amelia Sennett (born 28 Jul 1869, in the Stoke Damerel reg. district) and Richard Sennett (b1847) is William Sennett born 1768. William married three times. Amelia is descended from William and wife Mary Hitchens and Richard is descended from another of William's wives, Elizabeth Williams.
Richard b 1847 is the son of Richard b abt 1816 who married Ann Marrack, and gson of William and Elizabeth Williams. Amelia is the ggrandaughter of William through his wife Mary Hitchens. Amelia's father is William James, her grandfather is James b 1808 (who married Amelia Hitchens)and her paternal greatgrandparents are William Sennett and Elizabeth Williams. So Amelias father William James and Richard shared a common grandfather, but not grandmother. I haven't a clue what relation that makes them, but its definitely a relationship.
If you send me a PM with your email address, I'll print out a report that shows all these generations and how they link together. It will be a pdf, so I'll need to email it rather than attach it to a message here.
You were interested in how the misconception arose. I wonder if it perhaps was in the way the term "cousin" used to be used. We think of cousins as being first cousins, but in the past the term was often used a lot more loosely than that to refer to anyone who was related, even distantly. All these people did live in the same area, so it would have been quite likely that the families saw each other, perhaps without children understanding the exact relationship, which may then have been misinterpreted as being closer than it was when they grew up. I have an example in another tree of two men calling each other "cousins", but they don't even have a common greatgrandparent (the relationship is much more distant), let alone the common grandparent we would expect with first cousins.
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My Grandfather was James Sennett born abt 1902 married Eva Rouse 1928.
He died in Hull in 1962.
I am trying to find any information on his background.
The only reference to James Sennett born around that time is from Durham.
Any help is gratefully received
Regards
Neil
Neil, I don't know if you're still looking for information on your Grandfather, but since there are a number of coincidences in our family-trees I'd be interested to see if we have a connection. I have a James Sennett and Eva Rouse as my grandparents, James was a former merchant seaman (according to my mother Margaret), who passed-away in 1962. As I was born in 1960 I have only the faintest memory of him. The majority of their children emigrated to Australia over the years.
Regards,
Andrew.
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Do you have the full list of their children? I have a list of ten of them, the first two died within their first year so only 8 survived to adulthood.
Corinne Curtis
Corinne, I make it 9, plus the two who died as infants. As I don't yet have the privileges to PM you, perhaps you could contact me to compare notes?
Regards,
Andrew.
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Andrew - on page two of this message thread is a post from maxsennett - I think he is one of your cousins (son of James Edward). I don't know if he still checks in with this message board.
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Yes, Corinne, I did see the post from Max.
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Laura,
I've sent you a private message with my personal email address in it. If you contact me on that then I can send you a whole load of detail on the family tree, plus some photos of your grandfather, his brothers and sisters and his parents (Edward and Fanny).
My grandmother Phyllis Mary (b 1907 in Normanton) was the oldest sister of Thomas Sennett b 1917. Is that your grandfather, or great grandfather? I have details on four generations further back from that. I'd love to know more detail on Thomas's descendants, but as they will be living people you would have to share that by private email or messaging.
Corinne
My name is Mark and I am the grandson of Edward Sennett (Ted) from Aylesham. My mother was Catherine (Cathy) daughter of Ted and Sarah (Sally). I believe Sally was the sister? of Phyllis and Austin? Would love to fill in some of the gaps if possible. Ne to the forum so not sure of how to furnish you with my private mail?? Regards Mark
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Hi Corinne,
Im a Yorskshire Sennett, well an Aylesham Sennett. My family came down as miners to work at the Snowdown Collery. My grandparents then went back to Maltby, Rotherham. I wonder how we are related? My granddad was Thomas Sennett.
Hi, my name is Mark and I am the grandson of Edward (Ted) Sennett, I believe his brother was Tom? from Aylesham as I am originally. Would love to fill in the gaps! My mother was Cathy Cooper nee Sennett with 7 sisters and brothers all still living and a few still in Aylesham.
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I'm just re-reading my posts particularly on this message thread and realising how far the SENNETT (SINNOTT, and other variant spellings) surname study has come since the original messages here. There are now around 80,000 people in the surname study database, the bulk of them linked into larger family groups and I have increasing amounts of information from both Irish records and relating to emigrant families. Some of the earlier information I posted here has been considerably updated with a few changes as well.
If you are interested in this surname, please do contact me again through the registered surname study (search the surname at www.one-name.org) or the contact link on the study website https://sennett.one-name.net/.