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Hi
I've been looking through some of my 'bits and pieces'
I'm trying to trace what happened to some of my Canadian cousins after August 1902. I have an Indenture of a sale of land in Medora, Muskoka, Ontario of this date.
The cousins are - Alexander McTaggart Burgess, Medora, physician and Thomas Burgess, sawmiller, of Medora. The indenture was also signed by another cousin William Burgess, barrister at law, of Port Elgin, Ontario ( I have information on William's line).
Alexander and Thomas were the sons of Thomas Burgess, who had recently died. (death - 27 April 1901)
The land was sold for 75 dollars to a George Hinton, Toronto, Inspector of the City Dairies.
Other info ~
1901 census, Medora and Wood, Simcoe, Ontario
District 113 Sub-District D-4 Page 2 Family 21
Thomas Burgess, b. 23 Sept. 1823, Scotland, 77, farmer
Alexander W, b. 9 Nov 1864, Ontario, 36, medical ?
Samuel S, b. 19 mar 1869, Ontario, 32, carpenter
James K, b. 19 Aug 1871, Ontario, 29, lawyer
John W, b. 18 April 1873, Ontario, 27, general mer(chant)
May E, b. 28 May 1876, Ontario, 24
Margaret, b. 19 Dec 1877, Ontario, 23
also a lodger - Kate M Esplen, b. 16 Aug 1877, Ontario, 23, school teacher
1901 Census, Medora and Wood, Simcoe, Ontario
District 113 Sub-District D-4 Page 3 Family 32
Thomas Burgess, b. 26 Feb 1866, Ontario, 35, lumber mer(chant)
Isabell S, b. 10 Feb 1869, Ontario, 32
Edith M, b. 3 Mar 1895, Ontario, 5,
Helen M F, b. 1 July 1899, Ontario, 1
Would be grateful for any info./leads on any of the above.
Thanks in advance :)
Regards
Gadget
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Update - I've found Thomas, Alexander, and brother John, on the 1911, still in Bala. Samuel in Vancouver. So far, I've not found the others and no deaths :-\
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
I found Helen Burgess' marriage to Charles Roushorne in 1920 in Bala.
Edith's marriage to Thomas Jewitt in 1915 in Bala and
Katharine's marriage to Harold White in 1924 in Toronto.
Karen
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Thank you so much, Karen :D
So far, Alexander seems to have remained single (to 1911) and still looking for James K :-\
Gadget
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Here are the 1911s that I have so far:
1911 Census, Medora and Wood, Muskoka, Ontario
District 98 Sub-District 25 Page 14/5 (indexed as Burgers)
Thomas Burgess, b. 26 Feb 1866, Ontario, 45, Resort Keeper
Isabell S, b. 10 Feb 1869, Ontario, 43
Edith M, b. 3 Mar 1895, Ontario,16
Helen M F, b. 1 July 1899, Ontario, 11
Katherine, Nov 1905, 5
Alison, July 1910, 10 mths
1911 Census, Medora and Wood, Muskoka, Ontario
District 98 Sub-District 25 Page 15
John W Burgess, b. April 1873, 38, merchant
Katherine, b. Aug 1877, 33
Katherine M, b. May 1909, 1
1911 Census, Vancouver City, Vancouver, BC
District 12 Sub-District 43 Page 3 - indexed as Burgers
Samuel S Burgess, b. Mar 1870, Ontario, 41, General Store
Rose, b. Jan 1878, Ontario, 33
Thomas, b. Dec 1907, Ontario 3
1911 Census, Medora and Wood, Muskoka, Ontario
District 98 Sub-District 25 Page 17 - indexed as Burgers
Alexander Burgess, b. Nov 1866, Ontario, 45, Physician (single)
Gadget
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Here's a link to the Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid
http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa/search.php
Karen
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I found James Kennedy marrying Esther Miller in 1905, but not having any luck finding him on the 1911 either :-\
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Thanks for all this, Karen It looks as if James and Esther were cousins!
Gadget
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Looks like John Burgess married the lodge Kate in 1906.
Karen
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James in Alberta with Esther & a daughter Kathleen & son Alex both born Alta in Camrose /Stathcona
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=15174
and 1916 census with another daughter, Alexandress, no son at Thompson St, in Camrose Alberta ( wife down as Estas)
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1529118
* Note re:1916 census: Images were available last month, but now they aren't so this is from the transcription
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Thank you, J.J.
Indexed as Joseph Burgers on A*try ::)
I'm enjoying this :D
Found that James's sister Margaret m. Albert Martin in 1905 and they're living next to brother Samuel in the 1911 in Vancouver.
Still not found anything on sister May E (b. May 1876)
Gadget
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Hi again :)
Looking at the 1881 census Wood & Medora, Muskoka, Ontario(District 131, Sub-d D Page 22 Household 104), there are a few more cousins!
Euphemia Burgess, 18 (circa 1863)
Catherine W, 13 (circa 1869)
Donald, 10 (circa 1871)
Also, May E on the 1901 is down are Mary E, aged 4
I'll see if I can find anything more on these three.
Gadget
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Gadget, did you know he was a celeb? The founder of Bala...explained within...and an image, to boot!
http://www.bala.muskoka-ontario.com/
a cousin Euphemia? I saw that name on a ship's list just a bit ago...site so busy it's messing up my computer tho!!!
;D Nice to be doing this for someone who is so giving of her time & ability..not to mention funds..
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Yes - knew about wee Tom, J.J. :D
Tom Burgess, snr's mother was Euphemia Colthard. All born New Galloway area, Kirkcudbrightshire. The family came to Canada in the early 1850s.
I've found Donald:
Donald Burgess m. Agnes Maria Axworthy, 19 Nov 1900, York
1901 Census Kootenay (West), Yale & Cariboo, B.C.
District 5, Sub-d F-7 Page 14, Family 122
Donald Burgess, b. May 1871,Ontario, 29, carpenter
Agnes M, b. Feb 1872, England, 29
Can't find them on the 1911 though.
Gadget
PS Here's a very poor quality photo of Tom:
(http://www.ancestral-tales.co.uk/assets/images/autogen/a_09_1.jpg)
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found Euphemia ~
Euphemia C Burgess m Alfred Jackson 2 Mar 1886, Bala
Now Alfred Jackson rings a bell - not sure in what context :-\
I'm really enjoying this. Thank you both so very much :)
Gadget
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Gadget, did you know he was a celeb? The founder of Bala...explained within...and
When Gadget comes over we are going to go to the Key to Bala which is a great spot and has some great concerts!
K
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aach, phooey! :( Wish I could come too... ;D ah, well, you both must have an extra good time for me as well...
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It's going to be one big social whirl :D
Here's Euphemia in 1911:
1911 Medora, Wood, Muskoka, Ontario
District 98 Sub-d 25 page 15 - living next lot to John Burgess
and just a bit further along from Thomas
Alfred Jackson, b. March 1860, England, 51, farmer
Euphemia C, b. 28 Oct 1863, Ontario, 49
Gordon B, b. Sept 1888, Ontario, 22, student
Alfred Jack, b. March 1890, Ontario, 20, salesman
Lorne,b. Aug 1892, Ontario, 17, carpenter
Stewart , b. Feb 1895, Ontario, 16, Assistant Agent
Wildred , b. June 1897, Ontario, 13
Thomas, 9
Mary Daire, servant, 30, domestic
J C Clark, lodger, 21, student
No sign of a marriage for Catherine b. circa 1869 - have to be careful because she had a cousin Catherine in Bruce, born about the same time :-\
Gadget
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I imagine you have the Burgess family cemetery, also, then... :D You're just having fun
watching me find stuff you already know, right?
http://www.mpsgg.com/Cemeteries/Muskoka/Wood001.htm
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Wow, how cool is that and it's still active :o
K
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Thanks for that link, J. J. :-* There are masses of them :o
This is the family that I don't know about, although I know about Tom Burgess, snr. I do have a copy of a letter he wrote in the 1890s to a cousin in Wales. He enclosed a dollar for her (what a sweetie) and was telling her about how lovely his first wife, Margaret McTaggart, was but how his second wife wasn't very nice ::)
Apparently, he had quite an eye for the ladies :D
Gadget
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Do you think that the Catherine W, b.1869 that I can't find is the Kathleen Wilkinson Burgess, b. 1867 - married William Carr in the cemetry link?
Gadget
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Ladies man, was he? Aren't there just so many of those...? Methinks mirrors were not well smoothed in those days...
More oral history:
http://mpsgg.com/Communities/Muskoka/BalaHistory.html
also, he'd probably have confessed liberally at the Burgess Memorial Baptist Church :-X
http://mpsgg.com/MuskokaChurches.html
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Oh probably, I think that name kept coming up on *A* for her ( I don't have full access, but I get around it)
I'd check the 1911 for you but it is out for me now as well!!!! Only allows about 7 users at once so we have it smokin' hehe
Hey it let me on! Carr, Katherine M.
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=98871
children ( note Alexander a few households away):
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=98872
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Not sure about the Methodist Church - I've got a little booklet which says that he founded the Presbyterian Church there - it burnt down in ? 1930s or 40s. Most of the family have 'Presbyterian' as their religion, although Alfred jackson was a methodist, if I recall.
i'll take another look for her tomorrow - getting a bit late this side of the pond.
Thanks for all the info :)
Gadget
PS - just seen your new links - will go peruse ;D
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I think that Catherine W and Katherine W are one and the same.
Karen
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note:
John William BURGESS married Katherine "McTaggart" ESPLEN -mother Catherine "CURRIE"
a Currie was employed by Thomas in 1881
and that marriage comes up as...
Katherine Wilkinson Burgers ( parents as Burgers ::) ) / William Carr
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O.K. this is crazy... birth of James Burgels Carr on Oct 24 1901 - parents William CARR and Catherine Wilkinson BURGELS
Might they not have known how to say/spell the name...I don't think we are on the wrong track here...but this is no longer a simple miss-transcription...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~births/Ca_Surnames.htm
but Mary Kathleen Carr birth definitely says Catherine Wilkinson Burgess as mother
& births of William Stanley Carr & Douglas Bernard Carr say Catherine W.
This rellie's a perfect guide to see if any old real estate still exists:
http://www.bala.net/gidley/history.html
James K. was in Wetaskiwin in 1905...
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~abwcobit/Data/Papers/1905C/SmallArticles1905CPage19.html
Notice of the wedding in Wiartin:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~abwcobit/Data/Papers/1905EJ/Marriage1905EJPage5.html
John built a boat in 1901!
http://polsonironworks.com/engineBuilds/1901.shtml#cityofBala
;) hehe that's your Burgess trivia for the day...J.J.
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Hi J.J.
Thanks for all that - it will keep me busy for a while :)
The James Burgels Carr has been transcribed as Burgess onthe A*try listing and the original is definitely Brugess, although the first s could be mistaken for an l - maybe the pen slipped ;D
I'm now going to summarise all this information and work out what we've got and what we haven't but we seem to have covered a vast number of Tom's descendants.
Thank you both very very much :-*
Gadget
PS - do you think cousin Mark might let me have a wee weekend place up there :D
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Hi again
I think this is what we have on the descendants of Thomas Burgess (1823-1901) and Margaret McTaggart. I've not gone through all the cemetery info yet.
Euphemia , b. Oct 1863 m Alfred Jackson (farmer), 1886 (Bala in 1911)
children ~
Gordon B, b. Sept 1888
Alfred Jack, b. March 1890
Lorne, b. Aug 1892
Stewart , b. Feb 1895
Wildred , b. June 1897
Thomas, b. April 1902
Alexander McTaggart, b. 9 Nov 1864 (physician) did not marry d. 1828 (Bala in 1911)
Thomas (lumber merchant-resort keeper), b. 26 Feb 1866, m Isabella Spence McTavish, 1894 (Bala in 1911)
children ~
Edith M, b. 3 Mar 1895 m Thomas Jewitt, 1915, Bala
Helen M F, b. 1 July 1899 m Charles Roushorne, 1920, Bala
Katherine, Nov 1905 m Harold Samuel White, 1924, Toronto
Alison, July 1910 m. (?Gidley)
Catherine/Katherine Wiilkinson, b. June 1867 m William Carr, (farmer) 1895
children ~
Douglas, b. Feb 1898
James,b. Oct 1901
Kathleen, b. June 1904
Stanley W, b. June 1908/9
Samuel S, b. 19 Mar 1869 (general storekeeper) m Rose E Huggett, 1906 (Vancouver in 1911)
children ~
Thomas, b. Dec 1907
Donald, b. May 1871 (carpenter) m Agnes Maria Axworthy, 1900 (Kootenay, B.C in 1901) (not found after 1901)
children ~
added - just found a possible death date for Donald - 23 Nov 1959, Ladysmith, B.C. aged 88
James K, b. 19 Aug 1871 (barrister) m Esther Miller, 1905 (Alberta in 1911/1916)
children ~
Katherine M, b. April 1906
Alex E, b. Jan 1908
(note - either Donald or James are telling porkies on the censuses - will check up)
1891 has Donald as aged 21 and James as 19
John W, b. 18 April 1873 (merchant) m. Katherine McTaggart Esplin/Esplen, 1906 (Bala in 1911)
children ~
Katherine M, b. May 1909
May/Mary E, b. 28 May 1876 (Bala in 1901) (not found after 1901)
Margaret, b. 19 Dec 1877 m Albert Martin (mechanical engineer) in 1905 (Vancouver in 1911)
children~
Jean Elizabeth, b. Mar 1905
Albert Murray, b. Sept 1910
PS - For seconds, I've got Jean Burgess (wee Tom's aunt) and Tom McGill to sort out - came over in the 1820s and not doing too well in the 1840s as far as a letter says ;D
Gadget
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Once you get your brain around who all these people are and have closely related to you, and if you wish to get in contact with any who are still living, if we can be of assistance in any way please let us know.
I see one of them Jack...made it to Camrose and then Wetaskiwin Alberta.....but then I am half asleep so may have them wrong ;D ;D
Just let us know if we can help in anyway (although so far I have done diddly on this topic, I would certainly be willing to help out in anyway I can).
The marrage of Thomas to Margaret McTaggart has me a bit worried.....as I have McTaggarts in my line ...... :P :P :P
Yell and you shall recieve Gadget....that's what we are here for.....Especially Karen, J.J.
Janet and others.... ;D ;) I play second banana to most of the help on here, but I do try.
dollylee
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Thanks Dolly
It's the BC ones that seem to have gone astray:
Donald, b. May 1871* (carpenter) m Agnes Maria Axworthy, 1900 (Kootenay, B.C in 1901) (not found after 1901)
children ~
added - just found a possible death date for Donald - 23 Nov 1959, Ladysmith, B.C. aged 88
* think this was May 1870.
Any thoughts/ideas what might have happened. I can't find head nor hair of them after 1901 and the death is only a possible :-\
Gadget
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Hello Gadget :)
Donald and Agnes are certainly elusive. I couldn't find them in the 1911 Census either.
I wonder if they possibly spent some time in the United States. That is where I found some of my rellies who disappeared after 1901. I don't have A****y access to the 1910 US Census but someone here may or you might want to ask on the US board?
You probably found Donald's death on the BC Vital Records Index (?) but in case you didn't here is a link.....
http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/textual/governmt/vstats/v_events.htm#indexes
There is a death for an Agnes Maria Burgess in this index..... 10 Dec 1940 in Burnaby (part of Vancouver).
Also in the index are three births 1901-1903 (cut-off year is 1903). If they travelled to BC soon after their marriage one or two children might be theirs. No way to tell without the cert but.......there is a kind rootschatter :) on the forum who has done lookups of BC records in the past and may be able to check them (and the deaths) for you at some point.
Regards,
Polarbear
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Here's a link to the BC Cemetery Finding Aid
http://www.islandnet.com/bccfa/
Karen
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Thanks Polarbear and Karen
I have access to the US census and wondered if they might have strayed over the border . I'll do some more digging :)
Gadget
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The Rootschat West Coast Alert system is working well today (thanks Karen!) and I must say it is far nicer than that annoying Emergency Broadcast System test on telly! ;D
Gadget - I can look up the death registrations hopefully tomorrow but if not, on the weekend. I got a little distracted by all the talk of a "social whirl" but I think these are the lookups you are waiting for:
Samuel Burgess - possible match for Samuel Spalding Burgess, died in Vancouver in 1937, buried at Mountain View
Rose - can't find anything yet
Thomas - possible match for Thomas Edwin, died Vancouver 1972 or Wm Thomas died Vancouver 1983
Margaret Martin - a common name so I'll see if any dates match up. Any chance of a middle name or initial?
Albert Martin - ditto
Donald and Agnes matches have already been found and maybe some early birth registrations for possible children.
I think that is all of them. If I find a matching registration, would you like a copy of it or just a transcription?
Lynwen
ps. please add me to the social whirl invitation list ;D
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Lynwen :-*
the Samuel Spalding Burgess will definitely be him. Thomas Burgess, snr's father was called Samuel Spalding Burgess :)
I'll look through to see if I can get a middle name for Margaret and be back.
thank you so much :)
Gadget
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Hi again,
I forgot this earlier.....
I wonder if there are BC directories that might be searched to look for Donald?
Polarbear :)
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Nothing on a middle name for Margaret, unfortunately :( She was born 1877, if that's any help
Gadget
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Rest assured Gadget if there is anything to be found LemonMallie will find it ;D ;D
I think she has a chair with her name on it at the records office 8)
dollylee
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I also see that she has Clarks in Kirkcudbrightshire and a Welsh first name 8) 8) 8)
Gadget
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My parents took the United Nations approach and appeased both the Scottish and Welsh sides of the family when they named me. Thankfully no one representing my Spanish g-g-g-grandfather got in on the naming act! :o
And dollylee knows we are all a bit funny out here on the west coast so my secret is definitely out!
I am very happy that others benefit from the fact that I have an incredibly boring job only one block from the public library. What else is a girl to do on her lunch hour???
:)
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Can't find Donald on the US 1910 under any of the possible names :(
I've tried searching for both him and Agnes on the 1911 but so far I've not found them. Could they have been missed :-\
I'm slowly getting the hang of your records systems but have a long way to go. If you need any help with any Scottish/Welsh ancestors, give a shout :D
Gadget
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Hi Gadget - I think I may have found the Martins or at least very good candidates. They all appear to be buried at Mountain View Cemetery (the main public cemetery in the city):
http://vancouver.ca/commsvcs/nonmarketoperations/mountainview/burials/maj-maz.htm
Albert, died 1 May 1957, although I think this is a transcription error and should be 2 May 1958
Margaret, died 2 Nov 1952
Another entry jumped out at me, Margaret Burgess Martin, died 12 Jun 1998. I think this must be their daughter as they are all buried in the same plot (lots 1, 2 and 3). Her death isn't available in the publicly available registrations but the cemetery might be able to confirm this.
Over on the Burgess side, Samuel is also buried in the same plot as well as Rosa Helen (lots 10 & 11) and to cap it off, Thomas Edwin is also in lot 11. But it doesn't end there, Donald, Agnes and a Donald Ralph are also in the same plot (lots 14 to 16).
I'll start with these deaths tomorrow and see if all the pieces fit together. Once it is confirmed by the registrations, you can email Mountain View and ask if there are any headstones or other info available. They have a photo database of headstones (all taken in the summer) and will respond to email requests.
It sounds like the family remained close to the very end.
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Wow :o :o :o
All I can say is Wow and thank you so much - this is fantastic. I know that some of 'Uncle' John's family (Thomas Burgess snr's Uncle) went over from Toronto to Alberta and Vancouver as well. I have all his descendants and will dig the tree out to see if they linked up.
It seems to be a really close knit family right from when the first batch came over from Kirkcudbright in the 1820s.
Thanks you Thank you :D
Gadget
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;) Gadget, I told you she was a gem.........she just looks like a lemon ;D ;D
Trust your family to be neat, organized and orderly for eternity. :-*
dollylee
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Hi Gadget,
I got the death registrations and all of them matched up except for Albert Martin. I can't find a death in BC that matches the date of death on the cemetery index.
I'll scan the registrations when I get home from work. If you PM your email address, I can send them to you.
I have copies for:
Samuel Spalding Burgess
Rosa Helen Haggett
Donald Burgess
Agnes Maria Axworthy
Thomas Edwin Burgess
Margaret Martin
I checked the early birth and death records in the Kootenay region and found one matching birth record for Agnes Margaret Burgess - daughter of Donald and Agnes. She was born on 24 August 1901 in Nelson BC. Donald's occupation was listed as Builder on her birth registration and their address was "corner of Hoover and Cedar Streets, Nelson" I think she also acted as the informant on her father's death reg but I can't make out her married name.
I did find a couple of births/deaths for the children of Andrew Burgess born Scotland and Julia Anne Kapstein - is this one of yours as well?
Regards,
Lynwen
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Hi Lynwen
You are a wonderful person - Thank you so much for all this. I'll send you my e-mail shortly :)
Don't think we had any Andrew's in the family - certainly not born Scotland. Ours were all William, John, James, Thomas, Samuel, Alexander, etc.
Thank you very much
Gadget
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OK, they are on their way!
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8) 8) 8) 8) 8) Lynwens 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Now is my possession :D
Thank you Lynwen, J.J and Karen for all you've done in finding Tom's descendants. I'll now attempt to collate all this information over the next few days and report back with a summary. I think I've got nearly everything that's possible now but won't put 'completed' just yet ;D
Gadget
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Lynwen, great work as always, makes me wish I had a rellie in BC :)
Karen
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:D :D :D :D :D :D
Found Donald and Agnes on the 1911 - indexed as Kingan, Dondned ::) ::) ::)
South Vancouver - 12, Sub-D 48, Page 9 Family 113
Donald Burgess, b. May 1970, Ontario, 41, Builder
Agnes, M, b. Feb 1875?, 37, England
Agnes M, b. Aug 1901, B.C., 9
Gadget
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From Donald's death cert (23 Nov 1959) it looks as if daughter Agnes M b. 1901 seems to have married an Ames or Amers) - very faint signature.
Living First Avenue, Ladysmith in 1959
Also, Lynwen said:
Donald, Agnes and a Donald Ralph are also in the same plot (lots 14 to 16).
Just wondering about this Donald Ralph - could he be their son :-\
Gadget
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Found a death for Agnes Margaret Amess, Ladysmith, B.C.,2 May 1975. Aged 73
Reg # 1975-09-008285 BCA # B13342
Can't find a marriage though :(
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I have to stop in at the library tomorrow to take back the Bleak House video I borrowed (for the record, if Denis Lawson asked me to marry him, I would have, no doubt about it!). But I digress. I'll check the Amess death - well done deciphering that, I couldn't make out anything close - and also check for obituaries for Donald Ralph and Margaret Burgess Martin. The death registrations are only available up to 1988 and the indexed obituaries don't begin until 2000 so there is a bit of a gap. But the library has all the past issues of the major Vancouver newspapers so a quick check should uncover them.
I appreciate your thanks but we really have it quite easy out here. The vital events are all indexed on line, the library has all the film neatly organized, plenty of film readers and copy machines. It only takes a few minutes to pull up a registration - and thank goodness the civil servants were so nosey and collected so much information!
Now I am off to marvel at what the geniuses on the photo restoration board did to the photo of my great-grandmother!
Have a nice weekend all!
Lynwen
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I'm doing a little cameo of your grt grandmother, Lynwen. It will take a while cos my eyes are bushed doing restores and squinting at records :'( Will send it to you via e-mail when it's finished :D
Could someone point me in the direction of Alberta records*, please. I'm trying to chase that James Kennedy Burgess, b. 1871 (m. Esther Miller, 1905) and his children.
Gadget
* found Alberta Online, etc. but not found anything on James K yet :-\
Just been looking at maps of Ladysmith. They couldn't have got much further west could they ;D ;D ;D
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There are other deaths in Ladysmith for Amess...Trouble is they may have married in Alberta...
have fun looking in there...hard to access...not a lot free...
Your Donled Kingan ( brother to Eswrd no doubt, hehe ) is elusive even as such, as he's been transcribed as something else on census site...maybe as ?? ?? ?? but I'd looked high and low...good that you have found him!
James probably had land, although a barrister, not a farmer....
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05fg/ this is in Strathcona http://www.rootschat.com/links/05fh/
Alberta resources...you may find a directory or two?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,209587.0.html
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Thanks J.J. :)
I think I've exhausted the Albeta resources - might have to smile at Dolly :D
I found Donled by searching on Agnes, b. England 1875 ish, living B.C. Page 2 had this Kingan one with a husband called Donled and living in the right place ;D ;D ;D
Fun isn't it ::)
Gadget
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Oh, dopey me I thought she was born Ontario.... ::) Duh...
Poor Dolly...she wishes she could get more...but perhaps she can still squeeze something out for you...
I can also check newspapers for you next visit, as they were prominent and may have posted births...I only have a limited amount of papers I can search tho....
Let's see what Dolly can find for you!
This may be a second section of land as well for James...May have been the other location
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05fk/ sorry no time to check...J.J.
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Hi J.J.
The first land entry link contained two refs to James, so looks as if he might have bought up 3 lots.
Will have another go at Alberta tomorrow. The sites are very frustrating - very minimal indexes :(
Gadget
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You expect me to find anything in this wasteland?? ;D ;D
I was just starting and did find that
James Kennedy Burgess was the Returning Officer for Wetaskiwin in the 1905 Federal Election. Wetaskiwin was an electoral district that existed from 1905-1971.
So he was in Wetaskiwin in 1905.....or did we already know that? I will have to re-read the thread to see what we know and don't know.
Right now, I have to be a "mommy".......daughter in a bit of a pickle. Will try to get back to it soon.
dollylee
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Oh sorry, should have said, one record, ending one microfilm and patially beginning another...
Camrose is a beautiful area , by the way...They were likely enthralled with the landscape in the region...Quite breathtaking....and the last one I sent he owned the east part of that section , & it states et al, with another name in the Western land grants database...Wallace J McKay. but the first one isn't listed
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/western-land-grants/001007-100.01-e.php
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Returning Officer meant that he was in charge of the ballot...nice that they put it in the hands of a competent.
there seems to be no real screening here... :P Need work/ Still breathing, I suppose might be a prerequisite....
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As far as I can gather, the Burgess clan were Liberals :)
That site is fun - I just put in Burgess and I've found a James Burgess Miller. Now Esther (James's wife)'s father was a Bryce Burgess Miller and I think that James and Esther were cousins. I think I'll check out this James as well.
Thanks
Gadget :)
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I think I saw that as well....or something to that effect. Sorry, just up on a middle of the night binge and don't have the reference handy.
But I did find this interesting:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05fl/
That is if it is the right Thomas.
goodnight,
dollylee
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Hi all :)
I've just had some more wonderful stuff from Lynwen - Thank you so much, yet again :D
With some of the info, we might well be getting into living people so I can't put it up in my summary but it does look as if some relatives are still out in B.C. :)
Dolly - Thanks for the link - not sure about whether the Thomas is one of my Thomases. Hope you wake up refreshed :)
Gadget
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#123 James Burgess Miller married Mary Agnes Sexton in St. Cyprian’s on October 22, 1887; the first wedding celebrated in the old building
http://www.crowsnest-highway.ca/cgi-bin/citypage.pl?city=Brocket
He's considered a pioneer...( the west populated a lot slower than the east )
http://www.pioneersalberta.org/profiles/m.html#miller_j lists Esther & 7 other siblings
;D Silly me James was a brother to Esther...( Can't I read? )
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=67658&highlight=10
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Hi J.J
Thanks for those links.
I've found him on the 1881 census Wiarton, Bruce Co. (indexed as James R!). He's the son of Bryce Burgess Miller (Esther's father) so he's one of ours :D
I think that I also see him on the 1911 as a lodger in Strathcona.
Gadget
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Oh dear, I think these Burgess of mine really did spread out.
A bit of background to Bryce Burgess Miller (father of Esther and James):
1841 Census, Scotland
Pluckmain, Kells. Kirkcudbrightshire
Euphemia Burgess, 45
John, 20
Jane Kennedy, 13
Brice Miller, 6
(plus lodgers)
all b.Kirkcudbrightshire
Euphemia was Thomas Burgess, snr's Mother. Euphemia's husband, Samuel Spalding Burgess, had either deserted the family or died (conflicting info from records and letters). On Bryce Burgess Miller's marriage entry to Elizabeth Ewing( 21 Jan 1863, Bruce County) , his mother is shown as Agnes Burgess (a daughter of Euphemia and Thomas of Bala's sister) and his father was a William (no surname given - most likely a Miller) . He gives his birth place as Kirkcudbrightshire, circa 1836. The family went to Canada in the early 1850s.
Gadget
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:o :o :o :o <---- is me..........now that I have finally found something for you Gadget.
Who knew that small town newspapers reported so much gossip?? After plowing through, with no benefit of an index; The Camrose Canadian I finally found something ;D
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05ft/
after reading just click on the "next page" button, top of the page, until you hit page 4 where it continues.
dollylee
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8) DL ..Holy mackerel, that's an obit and a half ( literally) ...Great find, Dolly, I know what it's like to troll through the dailies as the more prominent citizens often get their own space in the snews papers...hehe
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:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
He was quite something
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Thank you Dolly :D
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Wasn't it nice that there was a picture of him? It was one of the longest obits I have ever seen....even listed who sent flowers, who gave to what charity...amazing.
He was quite something as you say... a curious coincidence is that Camrose was once named Sparling, after a Dr. Sparling.....which is a Burgess family middle name. But the nicest part was he had grandchildren listed..........and a daughter and grandson in B.C. ....... so you need to call upon our shaded lemon friend.... ;D ;D
If you are into pictures of graves, I have a cousin in Camrose who could possibly get a picture for you. So, if you can wait two or three years until our snow is gone ;) I will see if she could get a picture.
And if you want to know who went to visit their parents and when, who got a new car and when, who drove 10 miles to visit friends for the weekend, the price of hogs, the names of bulls, or even the cost of a shirt in Camrose in 1927 ... I can fill you in on all of that. Seems you couldn't pee in the early days without it being in that newspaper ;D ;D ;D
dollylee
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;D ;D ;D
I'm going to have to study that photo carefully - see if I can enhance it in any way - he looks a bit like my grandfather.
All those names, as you say - fantastic. Pity, they didn't tell us about the funeral tea.
We got snow here - all of 3 inches and rising!
I'll try and print out the obit on aged newsprint to make it look authentic* :D
Gadget
* 14 screen shots to get the whole obituary - now got to get them all together ;D
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I can't find a Burgess/MacLean marriage but they likely married in Alberta. I did find a possible death for Kathleen Margaret MacLean, died in Burnaby in 1979 aged 72. I'll add her to my lookup list. I couldn't find anything for Keith and James MacLean produced too many results but Kathleen's death reg might provide some additional clues.
And Gadget, I have to say a super sized thank you for the cameo of my great-gran. It is absolutely beautiful and all the more special as now I actually have a clear photo of her! I think you have overpaid your debt so I still owe you a few lookups!
Thanks again,
Lynwen
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EEK Screenshots, gadget? Would it not let you save to file when right clicked? I just got a 290 d.p.i save of it, and it's a good size, probably original... not bad for a newspaper scan...beats the 96 you'd get on monitor shot...
Let me know if you me to email? J.J.
OOOOHHHHHHHH...you've got snow? I can show you ten times that amount, wethinks!
Dolly...only three years til it melts? ;D Perpetuating that old "canada ia cold" theory...Don't know where they get that from...Heck, I'm planting flowers...Indoors mind you, but they'll be ready for outdoors come May...hehe
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I'll e-mail what I have J.J. (I'm sure I have your e-mail somewhere? ) I wanted to get a decent photo of JK which was what started it off. The right click does work but I didn't think it was clear enough! Mr Gadget now sending it to one of our (retired) journalist pals in Ontario ::)
Thanks for all that looking, Lynwen :-*
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Well, my luck ran out today. The death reg for Kathleen Margaret MacLean was not a match and I can't find any other possible matches in the BC Vital Events Index. I checked Mountain View Cemetery but they don't appear to be there either. I wonder if they returned to Alberta??? Do you think they might have a family plot in Camrose as well??
Lynwen
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It could well be, Lynwen, or would she have gone to the US? We know that she was in Vancouver in 'Feb 1951 (as Mrs Keith McLean) and she was born April 1906.
We also know from Dolly's great obituary find that James K had 3 grandchildren - James and Thomas Burgess in Camrose (sons of Alexander E who seems to have continued in his fathe's footsteps) and James McLean in Vancouver.
Thank you for all that looking. I am ovewhelmed by all of your kindnesses.
Gadget
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Just going through the list of Thomas's children, the only one that seems to have disappeared after 1901 is Mary Elizabeth, b. 28 May 1876, Bala, Ontario. (as May E on the 1901 but Mary on all others) I'll do some more searches for her and then sort them all out.
Gadget
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I think this is a final summary of what we've found. I've not put in the deaths of spouse.
Thomas Burgess, b. Kells, Kirkcudbrightshire Sept 1823 d. April 27 1901 Bala, Ontario m Margaret McTaggart b.c. 1841 d. Dec 19 1877,Bala, Ontario
Children~
Euphemia Colthard,b Oct 28 1862/3 d. Mar 26 1915 m Alfred Jackson (farmer), 1886 (Bala in 1911)
children ~
Gordon Burgess, b. Sept 1888 (barrister) - m. Florence Estelle Jackson 12 April 1919, Georgetown, Halton
Alfred Jack, b. March 1891
Ernest Lorne, b. Aug 15 1892 d August 10 1971. (electrician) m Laura Mabel Yeomans 14 Sept 1920, York
Stewart , b. Feb 1895
Wilfred , b. June 1897
Thomas, b. April 1902
Alexander McTaggart,(physician) b. 9 Nov 1864 did not marry d. 1828 (Bala in 1911)
Thomas (lumber merchant-resort keeper) , b. 26 Feb 1866 d 1937 Bala, Ont , m Isabella Spence McTavish, 1894 (Bala in 1911)
children ~
Edith Muriel, b. 3 Mar 1895 m Thomas Jewitt, 1915, Bala
Helen Mary Falls, b. 1 July 1899 d. 1968 m Charles Roushorne, 1920, Bala
Katherine Isabel ,b. Nov 1905 d. 1935 m Harold Samuel White, 1924, Toronto
Alison, July 1910 m. (E Walter Gidley)
Catherine/Katherine Wiilkinson, b. June 1867 d. 1937, Bala, Ont m William Carr, (farmer) 1895
children ~
Douglas, b. Feb 7 1898 d. June 22 1957 m Pansy A Colbourne
James,b. Oct 1901
(Mary) Kathleen, b. June 1904
Stanley W, b. June 1908/9
Samuel Spalding, b. 19 Mar 1869 d. 13 Sept 1937 (general storekeeper)(log scaler on death cert) m Rose E Huggett, 1906 (Vancouver in 1911)
children ~
Thomas Edwin, b. Dec 1907 d. 21 Sept 1972 (VP, B.C Forest Products) m Dorothy Muriel ?
R E Burgess?
Beatrice Adele b. June 1910 d. May 1 2003 m. Edward Jervis Russell
Donald, May 1871 d. FEb 23 1959 (carpenter) m Agnes Maria Axworthy, 1900 (Kootenay, B.C in 1901) (South Vancouver in 1911)
children ~
Agnes Maria, b.August 1901 d.May 2 1975 (journalist) m. Robert Walter Amess children ~ Heather m. ? Cross
James Kennedy, b. 19 Aug 1871 d Feb 14 1951 (barrister) m Esther Miller, 1905 (Alberta in 1911/1916)
children ~
Katherine M, b. April 1906 m Keith Mclean - children - James McLean
Alex E, b. Jan 1908 m ? - children - Thomas and James Burgess
John William, b. 18 April 1873 d 10 April 1951, Bala, Ontario (merchant) m. Katherine McTaggart Esplin/Esplen, 1906 (Bala in 1911)
children ~
Katherine M, b. May 1909
Mary Elizabeth, b. 28 May 1876 (Bala in 1901) (not found after 1901)
Margaret, b. 19 Dec 1877 d. Nov 2 1952 m Albert Martin (mechanical engineer) in 1905 (Vancouver in 1911)
children~
Jean Elizabeth, b. Mar 1905
Albert Murray, b. Sept 1910
Thank you all, once again, for all your help.
Gadget
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Gadget!
I wanted to tie up a few loose ends so I went up to Mountain View to check out the family plot and I think I found Mary Elizabeth!
On the other side of the memorial for Samuel and Rosa was one for the Lumsden family - which I thought was a bit odd. I checked the inscription and the first dedication was "In affectionate memory of Mary Elizabeth Burgess, beloved wife of James D. Lumsden. Died Dec 9 1911." Well, knock me over with a feather!
I found her death registration on the index and it shows that she was only 35yrs old when she died (birth date abt 1876) so it must be her. I'll check the reg as soon as I can but I thought I would get this posted so our friends in Ontario can see if they can find a marriage for James Drysdale Lumsden and Mary Elizabeth as I couldn't find one in BC.
I did find a marriage for James in 1917 - his second wife was Agnes Beatrice Paterson. I've got a few other bits and pieces which I will scan and send later (I am at work and so obviously not working ::) ) along with photos of the headstones if you want them. The people at the cemetery were very nice and told me to leave my name and they would contact the next of kin listed on Donald Ralph's burial record and pass on my details. I explained the whole story and told them I am not a Burgess so they asked for your name and I almost said: GADGET!!! ;D
So if the next of kin contact me, I'll pass them on to you.
Lynwen
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Lywen
That is fanatastic :D :D :D
I was about to come in to the thread and put a 'completed 'on it so that Karen could move it and I find your message. This is great info. So it looks as if Mary went over to BC with her siblings.
I'd love all the photos and other documents that you have - what an amazing family they were. When I think that I found poor old Tom on the 1841 as an Ag Labourer living in an outhouse in Kirkcudbrightshire and then via my 3x grt granddad he moved to Bala, Merionethshire, then to Ontario and Bala and then his children seemed to get everywhere - Wow :o :o :o
Thank you so much
Gadget
PS - I'll go check the 1911 now :D
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Here they are in 1911:
Yale and Cariboo- 14, Similkameen (?) Princeton - 55 Page 15
James D Lumsden, 37, b. Scotland, General store manager
Mary E Lumsden, 35 or 32, b. Ontario
no children
It states that James came over in 1897.
Gadget
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Mary Elizabeth is on the BC death index 9 Dec 1911, Vancouver BCA # B13098 Registration # 1927126
Can't find a marriage so far though :-\
Gadget
PS - think the Benylin's getting to me - I see that you've found the death refs of both James and Mary :-[
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Found a likely death for James Drysdale Lumsden 22 Jun 1956, Vancouver, aged 84
Reg # 1956-09-007004 BCA # B13228
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I think that they most likely married in BC. I've found a very likely James Lumsden in Burrard - Bennett and Atlin on the 1901:
District #1 sub-d # A-2 page 5
James Lumsden, b. 28 Oct. 1872, Scotland, 28, bookkeeper . Came over in 1897
Gadget
Added - can only find the second marriage of James Drysdale Lumsden to Agnes Beatrice Paterson in 1917, Vancouver. I don't see the marriage with Mary Elizabeth yet though :(
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There is an immigration record on findmypast for James Lumsden, age 26, travelling from Liverpool to Saint John on board the Gallia. His inbound record lists his occupation as labourer. But on the Canadian list, he is listed as a prospector heading for Wrangel, BC.
You can view the Canadian passenger list here:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e177/e004411283.jpg
This could be him as he was in Atlin in 1901. It sounds like he was headed for the Klondike Gold Rush. Many of the men who tried their hand at prospecting gave up and took up the more lucrative occupation of supplying the miners. Maybe that is how he ended up as a store keeper. If so, it is an interesting story but when and where did he marry Mary Elizabeth? Wrangel is on the Alaskan Panhandle and the border was under dispute at the time so it could have been considered part of America. But the gold rush was no place for a lady so I can't imagine Mary would have travelled north to marry him! If so, it becomes an even better story!
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The Similkameen Valley was also a gold rush center. Perhaps he didn't have luck further north and worked his way back down through the valley.
See: http://hedleybc.com/ just 38km. from Princeton.
dollylee
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I saw the entry on FindMyPast, Lynwen, and wondered about the prospector bit. So far I've narrowed him down to 3 possibles on SP but none have the Drysdale middle name. He might have 'acquired' it on arrival in Canada! I'll check the 1891 UK census as well. He was a bookeeper on the 1901.
Are there any places where marriages aren't recorded or not online for the 1901-1911 period?
Thanks for the link, Dolly :)
Thanks for all the additional info and gravestone pictures, Lynwen :)
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Just been thinking - a thought for the weekend ;D
If my James had gone to Canada in the 1830s instead of taking over a mountain farm just south of Bala, Merionethshire (his wife, Jean Carson didn't want to come over), Thomas, his nephew (and my first cousin 3 or 4 times removed) wouldn't have gone there and Bala, Ontario might have been called something else - Kells, Parton, Balmaclellan, Loch Ken, etc.
.....and if he had gone to Canada, I wouldn't be here :o
Lots of filing to do :)
Gadget
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Thanks again to Lynwen for the extra information :)
I think we can say that this thread has been completed - far more completely than I ever expected a fortnight ago. There are still a few loose ends but I don't think they're easily available.
Thank you everyone for your help with this one. I'll leave it open just in case but though Karen would like to do a bit of housekeeping and move it to the Completed Board ;D
:-* :-* :-*
Gadget
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Post Script
I've just heard from Lynwen who has been contacted by a living descendant of Tom Burgess in Vancouver who is keen to get in contact with me. I'm not sure what degree of cousinship he would be - possibly 3rd. He seems to be my generation (age-wise :-X )
I shall be e-mailing him tomorrow :D
Gadget
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Oh, that is so great...not all new-found rellies want to talk so that's just wonderful...have fun!
J.J.
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The poor man ;D ;D ;D does he realize what he's got himself into???
Congratulations Gadget.....that is wonderful !!!!!
dollylee
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Just be careful what you imply of me , Dolly. I might just ask him to act for me ;D ;D ;D ;D
8) 8) 8) 8)
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He'll be thrilled to hear all about the extended family across the pond...and who better to fill him in than Gadget...
Wait 'til he sees her website with all the thoughtful photos and tidbits. She's done her ancestors proud.*
From her site:
"I may justly say we have almost forgot one another. We see how far distant a family goes from each other,
although one house brought us up. Now I may say that we now take up 3 Kingdoms for to hold us."
Gadget's great great great grandfather, James Burgess, January 1835
Now several continents!
* Sorry for the bad grammar! Colloquialism is sometimes appropriate...but I apologise nonetheless
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I'm hoping that he might fill in some of the gaps, J.J. ;D
E-mail has been sent but I see that it's still early in Vancouver!
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Hi to you both
Read with great interst all your posts - I too come from the Burgess line Samuel Spalding Burgess was my grt, grt, grandfather.
Love to hear from you.
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Hi cousin :) :)
Make one more post and then you can send me a personal message (click on the little scroll under my avatar on the left) with your e-mail address.
It's not wise to put your e-mail address on the public boards.
Gadget
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Welcome to rootschat, Westminster...as you can see your distant rellie is a regular helper on the site, as she didn't tally all those numbers by asking questions! This posting is a rare query.
Hi, Gadget!!! I wonder when you'll roll over to lucky number 22,222! ;D (sounds more like mileage)
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I am intersted in the Thomas McGill and Jean Burgess line any info on them?
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Not a lot - I did start looking but couldn't get very far. Jean died early 1840s - I need to check my records for them. John's letter to James does mention where they are living in 1840.
I thought I saw Thomas McGill on the 1851 or 1861 but no real proof to go on.
I'll get back to you on them.
Gadget
PS - I've PMed you my e-mail :)
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Hi again
This is what I have about Thomas McGill and Jean Burgess:
Jean died Nov 1844 in Etobicoke Township
Also, Thomas McGill was still living in Etobicoke in 1846-7, Lot 28, con. 2, with a possible brother, William, living next to him at con.1.
The letter (1841) mentions that they had a daughter Laetitia who was ill in the summer of 1840. Also, that Thomas had rented the farm and kept a tavern and that their nephew, a James Rob(e)son, was with them in Fall 1840.
Checked up on Georgina - she was born 26 Feb 1826 and baptised Balmaclellan on 10 March 1826.
Gadget
PS - if any one knows anything about this couple, i think Westminster and I would be very grateful :)
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Can't find Thomas on the 1851 so far but I have just found this:
1851 Etobicoke, York County
William McGill, 35, Cooper, b. Scotland
Sarah, 30
William, 10
John, 8
Jane, 4
David, 1
all except William b. Upper Canada
Thomas McGill and Jean Burgess did have a son, William, b. 8th July & bpt. Parton on 11 July 1816
I think it's worth following this family through. There was a tendency in the Burgess family to name their first two sons William and John.
Gadget
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Hi there,
let me first say how amazed at how all of you get this info. I am presenting my tree to a good sized crowd this summer, and after hours and hours of real work, I have to admit, I stand in the shoulders of giants!
My Great Great Great GrandMother was Helen Maria Mcgill. She was the daughter of Jean Burgess and Thomas Mcgill. I have some great info, and alot of holes to fill. So I saw a few of you looking for things and I would be happy to share what I have.
I trying to find more about Helen or Ellen and Husband Stewart, like where they are buried and all. I am seriously in awe of the Burgess line work, so thank you too all who found this stuff. Amazing!!!!
I started this a little over a year ago with nothing more than some info on my deceased Grandparents on both side s. I now can go back to the 1400's on some lines. Even the Finland side. This has been one of the most rewarding things I have ever done.
So whatever you need, or have I look forward to hearing back from you!
Jeff
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Welcome, Welcome Welcome :D :D :D :D :D
Hello cousin :D :D :D
Tell me all you know about them please, please. I'm a descendant of James Burgess, Jean's elder brother. Jean was the one I had problems finding out about.
I'll send you a personal message with my e-mail.
Gadget :)
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Wow, Gadget, how exciting for you! :) :)
Polarbear
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Wow,
that was fast!
I am just going out the door for the weekend. But I will be back Monday. if you send me your email address I can invite you too my ancestry site. everything I have is on there.
Hope I can help!
Jeff
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Hi Jeff
You might be interested in this thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,361791.0.html
More cousins for you :)
Gadget
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Hi, Jeff!
Welcome to rootschat! you'll need to post once more in order to exchange email using the private messaging system on here...
We tried our darndest to get some information for Gadget as she is one of the genealogy gems on rootschat, using her resources, wisdom & effort on someone's behalf...It's a kick to see so many rellies popping up to say hello...
;D ENJOY! ...J.J.
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Speaking of which, Gadget is rolling over some big numbers in rootschat mileage...( almost 22222) and these were not accumulated asking questions, but for the most part, answering them...Thanks Gadget! ;D J.J.
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:-[ :-[ :-[
thanks for your kind words. You've followed my progess most of the way, J.J. ;D
Here's a photo for Jeff. It's Kells Church just outside of New Galloway, Kirkcudbrightshire, where our common ancestors are buried:
(http://www.ancestral-tales.co.uk/assets/images/autogen/a_K03.jpg)
I wonder if Karen will let him come to Bala with us as well :)
Gadget
Ps - Jeff can send after 2 posts ;D
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Oh, well...the rules say three, but it's two... ::) ;)
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
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I wonder if Karen will let him come to Bala with us as well :)
Gadget
Absolutley!!
Your ears must have been burning, the other day had friends over who had just been over to Sauble Beach/Southampton area and went to the Bruce County Museum, they couldn't get over all the Scottish names LOL I said, yes quite a few of them there, then proceeded to tell them about your Mr. Burgess and Bala :) Must look up the schedule for the Key to Bala and see who's playing this year!
Karen
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;D
They will be the most famous family in the whole of Canada soon - Coast to Coast Burgesses 8)
I think I might remove the Completed from the title of the thread - I hope it will attract all the other cousins!
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Hey Thanks for the welcome,
And thanks for the picture! Hopefully my site has something for you. Still trying to solve a problem like Helen Maria McGill!
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Hi Jeff :)
I checked but there was nothing showing at all.
Gadget
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Now that I have access to Jeff's tree, I've done a comparison with mine and have worked out our degree of cousinship. For what it's worth:
James Burgess Jean Burgess - siblings
Jean Burgess Helen McGill - 1st cousins
Margaret Wilson Zilpha Blain - 2nd cousins
My grandfather Jeff's grandmother - 3rd cousins
My Mother Jeff's Father - 4th cousins
Me Jeff - 5th cousins
Gadget
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Hi KarenM, Gadget, J.J., LemonMallie, Jeff, dollylee, Westminster and Polarbear!
Thanks so much for sharing all of this great info! My great great grandfather was Thomas Burgess, 1823-1901, Bala, Ontario's founder. The story of this family has been a great interest to me since I was a child.
I, too, have reached the John Burgess (1737?) jackpot and would like to know more.
I'm also interested in finding the family of my great grandmother Isabella Spence (McTAVISH) Burgess, 1870?-1921, the wife of Thomas Burgess Jr., 1866-1937, the 2nd son of Bala's founder. In some archives she is listed as the daughter of Peter McGregor McTavish and Ellen Mary Falls. In another archive she is listed as "née Elliot". I'd be greatful for any leads or tips.
Thanks,
JMO
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Hello JMO
On her Ontario government marriage record Isabella Spence McTavish (spinster) was born Bolton Ontario to Peter McG (looks like it is G and that is all with Mc) McTavish and Mary Ellen Falls. Married March 9th, 1894 at Blenheim, Ontario to Thomas Burgess, son of Thomas Burgess and Margaret McTagart. Witnesses Hattie E. McTavish and Ella Kettyls. Her age 25 his 28.
Linda
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Hi,
Thanks for your response! In fact I have the same doc.:
006046-94 (Kent Co) Thomas BURGESS, 28, lumber merchant, Bruce Co., Bala Simcoe Co., s/o Thomas BURGESS & Margaret McTAGART (McTaggart?), married Isabella Spence McTAVISH, 25, Bolton Ont., Toronto, d/o Peter McG. McTAVISH & Mary Ellen FALLS, witn: Hattie E. McTAVISH, Ella KETTYLS, both of Blenheim, 9 March 1894 at Blenheim
as well as this one:
#013529-89 (York Co.) Thomas BURGESS, 23, b. Bruce Co, of Muskoka District, Lumberman, s/o Thomas & Margaret BURGESS, married Bella ELLIOTT, 20, b. Bolton, of City of Toronto, d/o Peter & Mary ELLIOTT, witnesses: John S. DICKSON of Newmarket & Margaret AMOS of Aurora, on 13 July 1889 at Aurora
I don't know what to make of this. The dates and ages add up (albeit 1889 instead of 1894) and then there is this ELLIOTT which I can't figure out.
I remember a great aunt speaking about two of Isabella's siblings, Nellie and Oliver McTavish.
In the following doc; as well we have the name ELLIOT:
025168-99 (Muskoka Dist) BURGESS, Helen Mary, f, b 1 Jul.1899 father -Thomas BURGESS, lumberman, mother - Isabella Spence McTAVISH, infm: ? A.M. Burgess, Bala (ed - bride was nee Elliot)
Are you related?
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I notice that your information includes the word "spinster". Hmmm
Thanks Linda
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Hi JMO and welcome to Rootschat.
Gadget will be along later and will be thrilled to find another relative has found her :D I think she is right and the Burgess family will soon be the most famous in Canada.....
I hope you find some of the information you are looking for and also that you try asking for help with other families as well if you are having any problems.
dollylee
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Hi dollylee! Thanks for the welcome. It's true - this family seems to be everywhere.
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Hello cousin JMO :)
Welcome to our increasingly large clan.
The other two cousins on this thread are Westminster and Jeff. I know of a few more in Ontario, Alberta and BC.
To maybe bring up to date my 3xgreat grandfather, James Burgess's words:
.... it will soon take a whole Rootschat server for to hold us .............
:D
Gadget
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Thanks for the warm welcome cousin Gadget!
What a great moment online - especially since your 3xgr grandfather and my 2xgr grandfather seemed to have a special relationship. I'd love to get a transcript or copy of THE LETTER. Do we know if that's a possibility. I recently wrote to ancestral-tales.co.uk and am waiting for a reply.
If there's anything I can contribute - don't hesitate.
JMO
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Thanks for the warm welcome cousin Gadget!
What a great moment online - especially since your 3xgr grandfather and my 2xgr grandfather seemed to have a special relationship. I'd love to get a transcript or copy of THE LETTER. Do we know if that's a possibility. I recently wrote to ancestral-tales.co.uk and am waiting for a reply.
If there's anything I can contribute - don't hesitate.
JMO
Hi JMO
I can do better than that - I can give you my transcription (the one done earlier by another cousin was a bit out) - but I can also send you a copy of the 7-8 pages of the original letter.
PM me your e-mail - click on the green scroll under my avatar at left and you'll get a PM window.
Gadget
PS - I also have a transcript of TB's letter to his cousin Jean Burgess in the 1890s - he sent her a dollar :)
PPS - Just seen your message about ancestral-tales (that's me - I've not checked that e-mail address for ages :-[ )
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I also have what I think is Tom Burgess's father, Samuel's death cert which I can pass on.
It seems that you, Jeff and I are direct 5th cousins. I'm not sure about Westminster because he/she seems to have dropped out of the hunt :-\
Gadget
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I'd be interested in anything you'd like to pass on.
JMO
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Hi all,
I would love to see the Jean Burgess letter. The other one was incredible. I loved how he mentioned missing the fireside chats with his Brother. It was very touching.
any idea where these folks are all buried etc?
I know, questions questions!!
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Hi Jeff
If you go through this thread, you'll find various links to burial grounds. The one in Bala is a Burgess family one.
Gadget
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Hi again Jeff
I have just been typing up the letter from Tom Burgess of Bala to his cousin Jeannie in Cranbrook, Kent, where she was a domestic servant.
It is from a transcription of the original (where is that :-\ ) that seems to have been done in the 1950s/60s. I tried to put it through an OCR but it was so bad that it was easier to re-type.
I shall put it up here as I think all those who've helped on this thread might be interested to read it. Various family members are mentioned, mainly the children/grandchildren of James Burgess (my 3xgreat) who Tom worked for in Merionethshire and TalyCefn in Denbighshire.
Here is the family:
James BURGESS, b. circa 1779, Scotland; d. 5 December 1856, Tal y Cefn Isa, Cyffylliog, Denbighshire; buried 11 December 1856, Cyffylliog Church Yard; aged 77; cause of death: paralysis; occupation: Farmer
m. 17 November 1807, Longcroft, Kells, Kircudbrightshire
Jean CARSON, b. c. 1786, Kirkcudbrightshire d. 25 December 1870, Craig Lelo, Gwyddelwern, Merionethshire; aged 84; cause of death: general debility; occupation: wife of James Burgess, a farmer.
Known Children
Jean, bpt. 29 October 1809, Kells Manse, New Galloway, Kells; d. 15 February 1893, Top Wharf, Chirk, Denbighshire; m. Robert Wilson
Margaret, bpt. 8 September 1811, New Galloway, Kells; d. 16 July 1898, 56 Well Street, Llanrhydd, Denbighshire; did not marry
Male, bpt. 20 August 1813, Kells
Mary, b. c. 1813, New Galloway, Kells; d. 25 November, 1892, 26 Rhos Street, Llanrhyd, Denbighshire; did not marry
(were the above two twins or was there a recording/transcription error?)
William, b. 27 May 1815, Nether Dullarg, Parton; bpt. 9 June 1815, Parton; d. 22 October 1890, Arran Township, Bruce County, Ontario m. Ann Noble
John, b. 20 August 1817; bpt. 4 September 1817, Parton
Menie (Minnie), b. c. 1819, Nether Dullarg, Parton; d. 18 June, 1885, Bron Bannog, Clocaenog, Denbighshire; did not marry
Anne Smith, bpt. 6 October 1822, Parton; d 25 July 1857, Cyfylliog; bur. 29 July 1857, Cyffylliog; did not marry
Helen, b. 28 April 1825, Nether Dullarg, Parton; bpt. 20 June 1825, Parton; d. after 1891 ; m. John McLellan
Johan, bpt. 7 May 1827, Parton; d. after 1901, probably Manchester, Lancs; m Robert Parry
James, bpt. 4 March 1829, Parton; d. 10 February 1900, The Cottage, Llantysilio
Agnes, b. May 1833, Troquhain, Balmaclellan; bpt. (?) 8 June 1833, Balmaclellan; d. after 1901, probably Scruton, Richmond, N Riding of Yorkshire; m. James Cook
Jeannie was son James's daughter. Alfred and Harold are the sons of William who went to Arran County. Peggy is Margaret. The letter was written after Mary had died. Jeannie seems to have spent a lot of time with her aunts, Mary, Peggy and Menie
I'll have to divide the letter into a few postings as it exceeds the message length.
Gadget
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Page 1:
Bala 5th May 1893
My Dear Cousin Jeannie
Yours of the ? reached me last week and I was more than pleased to hear from you (not knowing whether Peggy would forward my few lines to you or not, as she had said in her letter she had kept the papers). My letter had not left Ruthin when she went. Likely you have seen my letter to your aunt so hardly know what to say myself. Just let me say, any questions you may ask, I will answer truthfully, if possible. And for Mary’s sake, if I can befriend you in any way at any time just let me know. Mary was a great favourite of mine; when she was learning her trade in Scotland we were together, and it was her got me to go to Wales. Then she kept house for me at Tal y Cefn till she took sick. Then Peggy came. Peggy got along very well but she was not like Mary, and I think I was about the only one of the hired men that ever did get along smoothly with Peggy. It is 48 years since I left Wales and I am now in my 70th year, but up to four years ago when I got badly hurt I was quite smart on my feet. My right foot is fairly well but the left one bothers me quite a bit yet.
Now Jeannie, you tell me to ask questions. How does Peggy manage? What has she to live on? She said in her letter J. Mclellan was going to give up the farm but she did not know what they would do. I know nothing of him, but his father was not a good manager. Who are the London friends you mention? Had I stayed in Wales I might have had less hard work than I have had in Canada having raised 10 of a (family- line obliterated by fold. I assume by what follows that he would have told her that his eldest son, Alexander, was a doctor) The second son has the saw mill, the third has gone to the old home to sell the stock, it was rented for shares and now we are renting it for cash but it is not very easy to get good tenants in Canada. We have but a small clearance here but I am renting it in shares. The fourth son is doing joiner work, and the sixth and youngest keeps a store. And I have a Post Office in the store. The Post Office does not bring in much, but I have to watch government work for which I get 300 dollars i.e. £40 per annum. I have three girls at home, the youngest is going 15, the next has learned dressmaking but takes a turn at all sorts of house work.
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You speak about me going to England. I do not fear the journey, but I fear I would offend, as it is evident that there is bad feeling between Johan and Peggy for Peggy thought I was going home to marry Johan, and she said something I would rather she had not, and I am just as outspoken , so might offend. Then the trip would cost me at least £40 as I could not walk much. I have one cousin in Scotland about the same age as your Aunt Mary was: I would dearly like to see her. I have one more reason why I do not care to go home, but I will not give it in this, perhaps I will in my next if you care to know.
You speak of your Uncle William, while he lived we were like brothers and wrote to each other every week alternately. Your cousin the lawyer writes regularly; I heard from him last week. He did not mention Alfred or Harold so I take it they are well.
You do not say how many cows you keep. I would think the baking for such a house would be enough without the dairy. How far are you from London and what is your nearest town? I note what you say about service, well it would not suit me. Still you are better at service that you would be to be married unless you found a suitable companion. My first wife was all I could have asked for, but the second the less said the better. I have a distant recollection of Llangollen, I often passed through it.
Now my dear Cousin Jeannie I really do not know what to say to you, not knowing you well enough to say what I would like to say, but by and by I hope we will get better acquainted, so that after exchanging a few letters we will have entire confidence in each other. Here let me say I have a very high opinion of Cousin Jeannie. Peggy speaks highly of you and I fancy you must be a shade extra to serve praise from her. I would very much like your photo i.e. if you have a spare one and would be so obliging, you see how impudent I am. I have not had mine taken for 27 years. We have just passed through a severe winter, extra cold and high winds. Have not had your papers yet ? one last week as soon as I get your address on your letter.
I hope you will be able to read this and I further hope you will find time to write soon. When I tell you I had written to your cousin Willy asking for your address he did not know I, but he thought he could get it from Alfred. You will see I was determined not to lose sight of you. Now Jeannie I hope you will not think I want to intrude but I do want you to look and think of me as a friend. You speak of emigrating. If you ever do I hope you will make my home your home.
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Page 3
I could fill many letters telling you what I have seen since I left Wales, but for the present I must wind up. Tell me was Peggy friendly with Mary. Peggy, although very friendly with me begged me not to leave Wales but should I ever visit England I should try to see you. During summer I am tied to Bala, and in England it is not so nice traveling in winter. During winter by putting an assistant in the P.O. I could get away as the government work does not need my care in winter. I would have to get leave from the P.M General. Our postal law allows only 1 oz for 5 coppers and I think I am very near that limit now, and should I dare to send you another 5 coppers’ worth I fear you would think me crazy. I do not understand how it is I take so much, perhaps it is on Mary’s account but by all means i.e. if I am bothering you too much, just say so. In conclusion as a great favour I beg you to write as soon as possible, and I write to a friend not a common one at that.
With best wishes
Your Affectionate and Loving Cousin believe me
Wee Tom
as Mary used to say
My letter is light to allow it, so I will enclose a 5 cent piece so that when you see it you will think of Wee Tom. Write as soon as you can. Tom
Gadget :)
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A note about John Burgess b. 18 Apr. 1873 d; 10 Apr. 1951
The story goes that John had no second name. When questioned about the initial "W" on the awning of J. W. Burgess General Store in Bala, Ont., John replied that he had no middle name and inserted the "W" because he liked the way it looked.
JMO
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He's certainly only John on his birth entry - and he's greedy. The family tended to use John and William for separate sons and he decided to have both ;D ;D ;D
I think that they did something strange with the Stewart and Elliot(t) females - no other marriages or deaths for them !
Are there any annulment/divorce records that far back?
Gadget
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Just curious about the date and place for the marriage of Katherine Isabel BURGESS (2 Nov. 1905-?1935) to Harold Samuel WHITE (9 Dec. 1900).
Also a birth record for Lorna Isabel WHITE (9 Sept. 1923 - 18 Jun. 1989)
They were married some time in 1923 and Katherine "...absented herself from his [H. S. WHITE] habitation...from the 16th day of September, 1923"- transcript from court of common Pleas, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
Thanks,
JMO
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10th April 1923 - York
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No idea, Gadget. Beginnining to think "dirty little secret". Maybe sent over the Bala Falls in a barrel.
Apparently, Euphemia and Jennie Stewart didn't get along - to put it mildly, Wee Tom was unhappy and the boys "paid her to leave". Quick, check the closets! I
s it strange to you that Isabella's second name, Spence, is a "family" name whereas some of her siblings have "christian" second names?
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Maybe someone should drain the Lakes up there :o
Is it strange to you that Isabella's second name, Spence, is a "family" name whereas some of her siblings have "christian" second names?
Not really. The family were of Scots extraction and the insertion of a surname as a middle name was often used to keep a previous surname (particulary female) 'alive'.
I've got a John Carson Wilson and a Jean Carson Wilson (son and daughter of Jean Burgess) and a couple of generations later the Burgess name was given to a second cousin of mine. Lots of other examples as well - look how Spalding seems to have been used a fair amount.
I've also got a Gordon in two or three cases. I'm not sure if we are connected to the Gordons of Kenmure at the moment. I've done some thorough research but nothing substantial is showing. It could be that they used it for the local laird :-\
Gadget
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I know what you mean...Coultart, Wilkinson, Kennedy, etc. It's just that she was the only one so named among her siblings. But we've already seen similar that before. As, Debbie said, Isabella Elliott is even referenced in the Burgess cemetery in Bala. I'll keep digging.
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sorry...mixing threads
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I know what you mean...Coultart, Wilkinson, Kennedy, etc. It's just that she was the only one so named among her siblings. But we've already seen similar that before. As, Debbie said, Isabella Elliott is even referenced in the Burgess cemetery in Bala. I'll keep digging.
http://www.mpsgg.com/Cemeteries/Muskoka/Wood001.htm
I see no Isabella Elliott. Is there another cemetery for them?
Gadget
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The Burgess cemetery in Bala is a private cemetery. In terms of other cemeteries - no ideas.
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Yep - that's the link I gave and she's not mentioned there so how did Debbie see her name ???
Just go look and see if you can see her listed!
added - other cemeteries in the area:
http://www.mpsgg.com/MuskokaCemeteries.html
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No mention of ELLIOT(T) in the cemetery and not in the doc that you propose. The following is from Debbie:
The grave of Isabelle Spence is linked with the Thomas Burgess born in 1866, not the father. However there is a discrepancy between the date of birth on the headstone and census and marriage records as well as her death record.
There is a submitted LDS file for Isabella Spence Elliott which references the above cemetery. They have her father as Peter Elliot and spouse as Thomas Burgess and they use the 13 July 1889 wedding date in York. The wedding references Peter and Mary Elliott. There is a family living in Albermarle, Bruce North in 1881 consisting of Peter(47), Mary(36), Elizabeth(18) and Julia(8 ). I haven't found them in 1871 to see if they have an Isabelle with them.
Debbie
Curiouser and curiouser
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I have always taken the Isabella Spence one to be Isabella Spence McTavish who married Thomas, jnr.
Dates on headstones can be variable. Our common ancestor, Jean Spalding, is listed on the headstone as aged 86 or 87 in 1817 (from memory). She had her daughter, Jean, in 1793. Work it out - it's impossible. We decided that the mason had carved the figures wrongly or that daughter Mary, who had the stone erected in the 1830s, had worked out what her mother's age was at that time. Jean was definitely Jean's daughter!
I haven't got Isabella McTavish's death date to a hand at the moment - when did she die?
Gadget
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Note that on the marriage entry she is recorded as Belle Elliot(t). No middle name - this need not necessarily mean isabel/lla but Annabelle for example or just Belle.
I do not trust IGI submitted records at all unless substantiated with factual information.
Gadget
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I've always thought of Isabella Spence (b. 10 Feb. 1869 - d. Jan. 1921) as Isabella Spence McTavish. I don't know where she was born although Peel County is a guess. I imagne that she died in Bala.
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She was on that photo that you sent - when was that taken? I'm not finding a death for her at the moment but the Ontario deaths only go to 1934.
Alexander was on it as well so it was before August 1928
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Here we are - her death
Isabel Spence Burgess - transcribed as Burgers ::)
17 Jan 1921, Muskoka
birth date - approx 1869 in Bolton, Ontario
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just to compare once more:
006046-94 (Kent Co) Thomas BURGESS, 28, lumber merchant, Bruce Co., Bala Simcoe Co., s/o Thomas BURGESS & Margaret McTAGART (McTaggart?), married Isabella Spence McTAVISH, 25, Bolton Ont., Toronto, d/o Peter McG. McTAVISH & Mary Ellen FALLS, witn: Hattie E. McTAVISH, Ella KETTYLS, both of Blenheim, 9 March 1894 at Blenheim
#013529-89 (York Co.) Thomas BURGESS, 23, b. Bruce Co, of Muskoka District, Lumberman, s/o Thomas & Margaret BURGESS, married Bella ELLIOTT, 20, b. Bolton, of City of Toronto, d/o Peter & Mary ELLIOTT, witnesses: John S. DICKSON of Newmarket & Margaret AMOS of Aurora, on 13 July 1889 at Aurora
In the first extract Hattie E. McT., witness could be Isabella's brother Hector's wife.
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...and now we've got Burgers ??? ;D A schoolteacher, a nurse, an innkeeper and...a spy! Please! ;D
Thanks Gadget
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If you read through this thread, JMO, they've been called lots of names :o :o :o
How we found some of them, beggar's belief!
I read the marriage entry from the image as Belle
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Here's the death:
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4615/isb1921.jpg) (http://img406.imageshack.us/i/isb1921.jpg/)
she was Aquarius
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;D ;D ;D Aquarius. Apparently Thomas Jr. and Isabella kept their birthdays a secret from their children.
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Absolutely fascinated by the input from this thread. It really illustrates how that "many hands" do make work light. I am new to Rootschat but not so new to genealogy. Please forgive me if this should be a new thread.
I am (along with others) researching the Millar clan who emigrated from the Kirkcudbright/Dumfries area and settled mostly in Southern Ontario. Proliferating and spreading from there.
The Millar connection to Burgess has been touched upon in this and another related thread. Bryce Burgess Millar who was born to Agnes McMichael Burgess "in uncleanness" :o :o :o according to the PR. The Bastard son of William Millar b c 1808 himself thought to be the son of John Millar and Janet Stoba. Info is sketchy on this family as I do not believe that Janet Stoba and John Millar ever married.
There is a baptism record for our direct line for Williams brother John b 1794 and baptised as "illeg" son of John Millar and Janet Stoba of Caerlaverock (near Dumfries). John became the Black Smith in Terregles, raised a family who for the most part made their way to Canada.
John Millar b 1794 children with Margaret Francis:
James (c1822) and Robert (c 1824) stayed in Scotland, however John (1825) , Catherine (abt 1823) (married Gabriel Copeland), William (b 1832) and David (1838) all came to Canada. Their mother came too and it is not known what became of the father John b aprox 1794.
Trying to shore up this blood relation to Burgess and hopefully find more info on William so as to know for sure that he is related to the other Millars in our direct family tree. Also any other input that might prove useful
Thanks
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Hi rheco
Welcome to Rootschat and the Burgess clan :)
I know of someone in Toronto who is interested in this line but I've not been in touch recently.
I'm afraid that I don't know much about the Millar/Miller line before Bryce Burgess Millar and it might be worth you putting up a separate query on the line on the Kirkcudbrightshire board:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,101.0.html
Regards
Gadget
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Hi Gadget and all!
Been away on sabatical ( work) but back at it. Still hitting a road block with Jean Burgess and Thomas McGill etc, but getting there.
any good news etc?
J
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Hello Gadget!! ...and all..been away for a while..
For what its worth..re Katherine & Harold White's marriage...One Mr. Harold White (about 90 yrs then) built our cottage and was our neighbour when we bought in '93. His son Sam White was our neighbour on the other side in the "original homestead". Our driveway was rumoured to be the cutter trail to the house. So did Harold and Katherine go back to Bala after they were married?? Hmm..
Also there is one Lorne Jewitt in Bala who is quite the local historian. If you need photos I can maybe fit some in this summer for you.
And lastly..did I miss the party at "The Kee" ??
This is very loose but..you never know!!
Kiddo ;D
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Found this..hope I'm allowed to post it!!
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.jewitt/16.2.1.2/mb.ashx
Also Lorne Jewitt searches well on the web, he and his wife wrote a book on Bala's history..
You never know..
Kiddo ;D ;D
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Oh my goodness - new to RootsChat, and absolutely fascinated with this thread. Gadget et al, your research is amazing, and I'm hoping some of the original posters in this thread (Gadget and Lynwen) are still active on this forum! Taking a big chance here...
James Kennedy Burgess was my great-great-grandfather. His daughter Kathleen was my great Aunt Kay McLean, and his son Alexander Burgess (went by Alec) was the grandfather I never got to meet. Page 9 of this thread has some amazing info! Many of the links were broken, and if anyone is out there with some of the screenshots or documentation, I'd love to get in touch with you!
To fill in a couple of gaps on Gadget's reply #80 on this thread for James Kennedy Burgess:
Katherine (daughter) was actually Kathleen, and went by Kay.
Alexander (son) died in 1964. Married Jessie Farquharson. Sons Thomas and James Alexander (Sandy).
I realize this thread is old, but hoping to get in touch with some of the researchers out there with information on the Burgess families that came to Alberta.
Thanks!
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Hello and a very warm welcome to RootsChat :).
Gadget is still very active on RootsChat but I'm not sure which time zone he/she lives in so it may be a bit of a wait for a reply.
Regards
PB
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Hi Lisa and Welcome :)
I'm interested in any further information that you have and just ask away about info that you'd like to know about.
If you make another couple of posts here (just say hello or whatever!) we will be able to send personal messages (PMs) where we can exchange details like e-mails, etc.
I have made contact with a few more of the Burgess family in Canada since this thread started.
Gadget
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Hello Gadget - thanks so much for your reply! I would be very interested in exchanging info to see what pieces we can put together for the Burgess line.
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Hi Lisa
What info do you have (or need) at the moment?
We (Burgess cousins) have traced the family back to John Burgess (b.c 1739) and Jean Spalding (b.c. 1749) but, although some hints of their births, there is nothing to substantiate. I've seen some trees saying that Jean was the daughter of Alexander Spalding but this is incorrect as that one married / James Frazer in 1869 and had children in Edinburgh. I have some ideas and think she was related to the Spaldings of Balmacllean/Parton but no real proof so far, as some records are missing.
Gadget
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Fascinating - all of this research!! Many of the Rootsweb chat links are broken where there are some references to documents. Do you by chance have the obit from James Kennedy Burgess?
Great Aunt Kay (James' sister) mapped out the lineage as she was able to research it 50 or so years ago - I'll be acquiring it in a few months and I'd be happy to share and compare notes. I have some info on JK Burgess descendants that I can share.
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I am more than likely to have the obituary somewhere, Lisa, but it was a long time, many computers and two house moves ago. I've always backed up but it will take me a while to find. It will be archived on back up drives. I checked DollyLee's ref and saw that the link didn't work. Dolly hasn't been on for quite a while.
I'm descended from James Burgess, Tom Burgess of Bala's uncle.
Gadget
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Hi again
The link was to University of Calgary resources. The link to the Alberta newspapers says:
This collection is temporarily inaccessible while we migrate this content to a new platform. We apologize for the inconvenience.
If you require any content immediately, please contact digitize@ucalgary.ca with details of what you need and we will try to accommodate your request.
https://library.ucalgary.ca/az.php?t=17739
Added - I've e-mailed.
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I have now received a copy of the obituary from the U of C and will send it on. I am really impressed with the service.
If any other of JKB's descendants would like a copy, PM me.
Gadget
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Thank you!