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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: alfaromeo1 on Sunday 01 February 09 15:16 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone point me in the right direction.
A great Uncle of mine a "Willie James Kimmins", was born in 1907 in newry and is on the 1911 census. We have found out that he left newry for USA and became a chaplan. What we dont know is what age he left and where did he go. All we know that in my grandads life (died 1976) the church where he was in america burnt down. We would live to know where he went and where he died in the states. Any help of directing me would be appreciated
thanks
lloyd
Moderator's Note: moved from Ireland - Co. Down board as it is asking for details of someone after they left Ireland
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i tried Ellis Island records which seem to stop about 1924. there are about 2 pages of Kimmins but no WJ found , unless he didnt use the spelling you are used to, and i didnt look further.
I tried familysearch.com which gives the following only William K born 1907 but with adifferent spelling
William KIMMONS
Birth Date: 12 Feb 1907
Death Date: Dec 1969
Social Security Number: 337-10-3543
State or Territory Where Number Was Issued: Illinois
Death Residence Localities
ZIP Code: 32303
Localities: Tallahassee, Leon, Florida
You could join the free Rootsweb surname message board where there are older Kimmins being sought, and put on your same message.
A church being burnt down makes the news but Google didnt find it for me on a quick hunt . try yourself Kimmins+Burnt church+USA
However you are seeking something that happened in the USA so you are on the wrong board to find it . Have a look what Rootschat covers and stick another notice on it if it covers USA
You used the word chaplain which can be any denomination and usually used for clergy serving with armed services , if you know which denomination that might help. So whats the youngest chaplain I ever heard of, usually say 23 upwards so he might have emmigrated say 1930 onwards, could have also served in WW2 etc, and died abroad.
Lets hope you get more help, I am not good at modern records,
the usa census may all be free to look up, explore that
Jim.
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1930 Census, Cleveland, Ohio, St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary
Kimmons, William, student, male, white, age 22, single, b. N. Ireland, parents b. N. Ireland, immigrated 1914, papers filed for naturalization, no occupation, not a veteran
In the 1920 Census in Cleveland, there is a James Kimmons, whose age & immigration date match that William, living with mother Rose, sister Margaret, Rose's aunt Margaret Hogan, Rose's nephew Patrick Clark, and Patrick Hogan (Margaret Hogan's son, I think.)
In the US Naturalization Index, there is this:
Kimmons, William James
1546 East 27th, Cleveland
Age 25
Date of order of admission and certificate issued by US District Court at Cleveland - 16 Dec. 1932
He is listed as British.
If this is the right family, I found a Ohio death certificate for a Margaret Kimmons, a nun, daughter of Joseph Kimmons and Rose Hogan, both b. Ireland here: http://labs.familysearch.org/
I also found this in the Cleveland Necrology File http://cpl.org/index.php?q=node/241, as well as death notices for Rose and sister Mary Margaret Kimmons:
Jul. 14 1963
"Rev. William J. Kimmons, son of Rose (nee Hogan) and Joseph (deceased), brother of Sister Margaret O.S.U. (deceased), nephew of William Hogan. Friends may call Sunday 2-9 P. M. at Noire Daine College, 4545 College Rd., South Euclid, where Vespers for the Dead will be chanted Sunday at 4 p. m. Recitation of the Divine Office on Monday at 10 a. m. will be followed by solemn requiem mass at 10:30 a. m. at St. John's Cathedrat. Interment Calvary Cemetery. For further information please contact The Flynn-Froelk Co. Funeral Home, 851-4141"
This was in the Ohio Death Index
Kimmons (no first name given)
Born abt. 1908
Gender: Male
Race: White
Resided Geauga Co., Ohio
Died 9 Jul. 1963
Hospital of Death: Public/Other
Certificate # 99726
Age 55 at death
Certifier: Coroner
Autopsy: Yes, used for certification
Never Married
This may be his church, but no mention of anything burning down: http://www.thompsonohio.org/TWP/history/church/st_patricks.htm
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Thankyou Shelleyesq thats him! Just need to find who he went with as he was only 7 when he left newry, looks like he went with margaret, a nun. i will try and access that site if i can What his very strange that the spelling of his surname changed compared to the census and how the family name is spelt now
thanks again appreciate it and so does my aunt in newry
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In the 1920 Census, Rose Kimmons & her two children, as well as aunt Margaret Hogan, all have 1914 as their immigration date, so I would guess that they may have all come over together. I haven't found them on any passenger lists yet.
This entry in the necrology file seems to suggest that Margaret Hogan was Rose's mother, though, so the census may be wrong on that:
15 Mar. 1940
"Hogan: Margaret, beloved wife of the late James, mother of Mrs. Rose Kimmons, William J. and Patrick, grandmother of Sister Mary Margaret, O. S. U. and Rev. William J. Kimmons, at her residence, 640 E. 120th st. (south of St. Clair ave.)"
It appears that naturalization papers for William James & Margaret Kimmons are on footnote.com. Those likely have a ship name and immigration date on them. It's a subscription site, but maybe someone here has a subscription and can check for you.
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I believe I found the family's passenger list however they all travelled under the name Hogan. They departed on the Cymric from Liverpool on 24 Feb 1914 and arrived in Boston on 7 Mar 1914. The family consists of:
Margaret Hogan, 45, last residence: Newry, Ireland, name and address of nearest relative in country where you came: sister Kate Wright, 55 Castle Street, Newry, going to Cleveland, Ohio to son, William Hogan, 1410 Walnut Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio, born Newry, Ireland.
Rose Ann Hogan, 25, last residence: Newry, Ireland, going to Cleveland, Ohio to husband, William Hogan, 1410 Walnut Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio, born Newry, Ireland.
William James Hogan, 6, last residence: Newry, Ireland, going to Cleveland, Ohio to father, William Hogan, 1410 Walnut Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio, born Newry, Ireland.
Margaret Hogan, 8, last residence: Newry, Ireland, going to Cleveland, Ohio to father, William Hogan, 1410 Walnut Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio, born Newry, Ireland.
Perhaps they lied about Rose's and the children's ties to William for a cheaper ticket price (pulling at straws there).
If you would like a copy of the passenger list, please PM me your email address and I'll send it to you.
Jacquie
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I found a passenger list entry for a Joseph Kinnons, 22, butcher, who departed from Liverpool and arrived in Boston aboard the Cymric on 6 Sep 1907. He is said to be from Newry, Ireland and is going to join his brother-in-law, William Hogan who was in Central Falls, Rhode Island at that time. He lists his wife, Mrs. Kimmons at 69 Castle Street, Newry as his closest relative from where he came.
I've emailed the passenger list to you, Lloyd.
Jacquie
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I have found a passenger list for William Hogan. He departed from Liverpool and arrived in Boston on 14 Oct 1905 aboard the Arabic. He indicates he is going to his uncle, Michael Fallon in Central Falls, Rhode Island.
I found William on the 1910 census in Central Falls listed as a boarder in the household of a widow named Emma Donnelly and her two children.
I've also found a 1920 census entry for William with a wife named Emma and a daughter named Helen (just under 2 years old). Also in the household are William and Sadie Donnelly whose information matches up with the 1910 census. I have found information (mentioned later in this post) that shows that the Emma Donnelly from the 1910 census is now William's wife and William and Sadie are her children even though they are listed as boarders.
The 1930 census has William and Emma in East Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio. Daughter Helen wasn't with them so I did a search in the Ohio deaths database at the Family Search Records Search site and found she died on 3 Jun 1927. Emma's maiden surname is listed as Toner on the certificate.
There is a WWI draft registration card for William Hogan who was born 5 Feb 1887 in Ireland. He was living in Cleveland at the time and was married. There is also a WWII draft registration card (old man's draft) for William Hogan although this time he gives his date of birth as 16 Feb 1887.
The SSDI has a William Hogan born 16 Feb 1887 who died in Sep 1971 whose last residence was Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio. There is also a death in the Ohio death index at Ancestry for William J. Hogan who died 8 Sep 1971 in East Cleveland, Cuyahoga County, Ohio at age 84. He is listed as being widowed.
There are entries in the Cleveland Necrology File that Shelly provided a link to for William and Emma Hogan as follows:
"William J. Hogan, beloved husband of the late Emma, stepfather of Sarah Donnelly, step-grandfather of William Donnelly, Sept. 12, 1971. No Visitation Mass of the Ressurection Tuesday, Sept. 21 at St. Philamena Church at 10:00 a.m. Interment Calvary Cemetery, McGorray Brothers Service."
"Hogan, Emma E. (nee Toner), beloved wife of William J.; mother of Mrs. Sarah Donnelly and the late Helen Marie; sister of James Toner, Mrs. Mary Annes of Providence, R. I., and Mrs. Theresa F. Snow of Hartford, Conn.; Wednesday, Oct. 26; residence. 14113 Ardenall Ave. Friends may call at the Flynn-Froelk Co. Funeral Home. 13104 Euclid Ave., southeast corner of Alvason Rd. Funeral Saturday, Oct. 29, St. Philomena's Church at 9 a.m."
Emma's age as well as her daughter, Sarah's, seems to have changed between the 1900 and 1910 census. I found Emma with her son William (4) on the 1900 census in Central Falls, RI. She was listed as a 20 year old widow living with her mother-in-law. Daughter Sarah is not listed and Emma says she is the mother of 1 child and has 1 child alive. This would seem to indicate that Sarah was not yet born so she should be 10 or under on the 1910 census instead of 13.
I found a possible 1910 census entry in Central Falls, Rhode Island for Joseph Kimmons although the person on the census is listed as Joseph Cummings. This Joseph is said to be 26, married for 5 years, born in Ireland, parents born in Ireand and with an immigration date of 1907 which all fits with Joseph Kimmons (although I don't know how long he was married at that point). He was listed as a boarder so that could be why there is a discrepancy with his surname. It could be a coincidence but I thought I should bring it to your attention.
I still have a few searches to do and if I find more I'll let you know.
Jacquie
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Jacquie
Dont have alot of time to do some research, but when i do, dont want to let it go!, I am sure others are the same.
Joseph the one who left liverpool in december 1907, i am trying to see who his parents are, if i am right i think it is Alexander and Eliza Kimmins, I also cannot find out what year he was born.
I have just re-read your reply and if i read it right, it appears that Joseph went to USA first and then the family followed later, and that he remarried? It was not Willie james who remarried as he was a priest, so what it looks like.
Thanks again for the shipping lists, it is all very fascinating
Lloyd
London SW19
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I didn't find anything to indicate that Joseph remarried. On the possible entry I found on the 1910 census he indicated he was married and had been for 5 years. As I mentioned, he was listed as a boarder and the only other people in the household were the head, James Corrigan, James' wife Harriet and James' nephew Ephram Bates. There was no wife listed with the Joseph on the 1910 census so I would assume he was referring to his wife in Ireland when he said he was married. Since Joseph and Rose's oldest child appears to have been born about 1905 or 1906 then Joseph and Rose getting married about 1905 seems to fit.
Jacquie
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Hi, I'm a relative of Joseph's first wife - Rose Ann Hogan Kimmins (later Kimmons). My grandfather was Patrick Clarke, Rose Ann's cousin. Joseph boarded with the Hogan family in Newry (1901 census) and married in 1904, daughter Margaret was born in 1906 and son James or Willie James in 1908. Rose Ann, her mother Margaret (Maggie) and the two children came to Cleveland in 1914 - no mention of Joseph and by the 1920 US census she was listed as a widow, although family lore says that probably wasn't so. The other William Hogan, husband of Emma and father of Helen, was Rose Ann's brother. Joseph's children became a priest and a sister in the Cleveland area and the line died out.
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I've just been going through some old pictures and I have some of both of Joseph's children as adults. If you're still researching this let me know and I'll give you copies.