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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: Benzol on Sunday 01 February 09 19:28 GMT (UK)
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Hi everybody,
Wanting information about my McNaughton forebears.
My great grandfather William McNaughton died in Perth Infirmary on the 17th December 1889 age 55. His death certificate shows cause of death "Shock; broken ribs and forearm; ruptured bladder; internal haemorrhage" - pretty nasty, an accident, a fight, I'd love to find out! I don't know if there are any Perth newspapers covering this period. Does anyone know? Can someone have a look-see in the obit. section (or maybe a few lines about an accident) if such a newspaper still exits?
My earliest record of the McNaughtons of Perth was for my great x3 grandfather also William when he married in 1791, he died aged 80 in 1835. He was a "Flesher" in Bridgend the opposite side of the river Tay from Perth. His son Alexander and all Alexander's male offspring were also Fleshers, but in the town centre of Perth by now. Could someone look-up the Trade/Town directories for a McNaughtons Butcher of Perth, please, in the middle of the 19th century ?
Thanks Benzol
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Hi Benzol
RE Ggrandfather William's horrible end, was there a reference to the Register of Corrected Entries on his death entry on the register - normally some writing on the l/h side outside the first column. If so, you will see a button to view this entry on the image (RCE). It cost a couple of units but might explain the circumstances behind William's death. I would imagine there would have been an investigation of some form by the Procurator Fiscal.
Monica :)
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Hi Monica,
Thanks for the reply. Could you be more explicit. I'm a poor old English boy, well quarter Scots. I've spent many a happy hour in Perth and Perthshire over the years but live 400 miles away and have little understanding of Scottish records. Are you referring to Scotlands People dayabase>
Benzol
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Hi Benzol :)
Where did you get the death cert for William who died in 1889? I imagined it was perhaps from Scotlands People, the BMD official site for Scotland. Normally when you view an image, and there is additional information on the separate Register of Corrected Entries (RCE) this is shown by a red button at the top of the image which if you decide to view (from memory I think it is an extra 2 units) will take you to the entry/image on the RCE register.
Given there are normally at least 3 entries on any given BMD register, the way to tell if the RCE button relates to your entry is if there additional hand written notes on the l/h side of your entry (these are references to the Register of Corrected Entries page).
Monica
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Hi Monica,
Thanks. I'll have a look at Scotalnnds People.
Benzol
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Hello Monica,
At last had a chance to look at my records. What I have is a single page (188) of deaths from the District of Perth for the year of my great grandfather's death in 1889. I've had another look at Scotlandspeople. This indicates that the death is "SRI" and not "RCE". (Can you say what SRI and RCE mean?). Like you I would have anticipated some kind of coroner's investigation. Perhaps the circumstances were cut and dried with plenty of witnesses. An accident in the slaughterhouse or a road accident spring to mind. Suffice it to say that I am back to square one.
All the best Benzol
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RCE stands for the Register of Corrected Entries and the reference for this register are normally written on the actual entry in the BMD Register. In recent years, Scotlands People have digitized these RCEs and made them available on line, linked to the original image of the BMD cert on line (this is what I referred to regarding the red 'RCE' button on line at SP).
SRI, I think, is simply a reference to the Statutory Register Index, i.e. the standard entry on the register.
In the absence of any RCE entry, local newspapers of the time may be the way to go.
Monica
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It is strange that there is no RCE for the death. Perhaps it was related to his line of work i.e. crushed by an animal carcass, and there was no need for an inquiry.
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Contacting the A K Bell library in Perth would probably be the way to find out about the newspapers.
It would seem that the archive collection is held there according to the National Library of Scotland Index.
http://www.nls.uk/collections/newspapers/indexes/
Kirsty
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Monica and others
My friend finally visited AKBell library. He told me that the archivist at the library was brilliant. She immediately found an article in The Perthshire Constitutional & Journal (Dec 18, 1889). The article described in graphic detail how my g grandfather jumped from a 3rd floor attic in Meal Venal and later died in the Royal Infirmary.
My mate also obtained a copy of the death register entry. Which describes William McNaughton as a flesher and widower of -- Wilson. I assume this info was obtained from David Hallyburton William's nephew who was the informant.
As far as the demise of William is concerned, it's very sad but at least I have the detail. My original query about the second marriage to somebody named Wilson remains unsolved.
Thank you all for showing interest in my research but I guess, for the moment, case closed.
Benzol
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Hi Benzol
Thank you for the update. Sad depressing end for your William, but you now have the details.
I had another look, trying to find anything on a possible Wilson second wife....and nothing there is there :-\
Just a thought for you. Given that William's wife Lilias Douglas died in 1861, a good c 28yrs before William, could William's nephew, David Hallyburton, who reported his death in 1889 have simply made a mistake when trying to remember Lilian Douglas' name?
Monica
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In the 1881 census he is lodging at 126 South Street, Perth. Also in the household is a Margaret Wilson
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Hi All
126 South street Perth seems to have an interesting history, I had a look at the valuation rolls on Scotlandspeople in 1875 it would appear the owner is a Miss Elizabeth Pullar and she seems to occupy part of the house, also with the same address are various tenant/occupiers including a tavern and stables, a lumber yard.
The next valuation roll in 1985 it is a shop and the owner/occupier is a Mrs Ann Ramsay.
There are only 2 McNaughton's on the valuation rolls for Perth from 1855 to 1935 that I could find one is in 1920 and the other 1935.
From memory there used to be a lodging house in South street I came across this when researching something else and I cannot remember when that was I think the early 1900s will have to do some digging.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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There are these McNaughtons showing in the 1885-6 PO Directory www.archive.org/stream/postofficeperthd18845mars#page/158/mode/2up
No William, flesher, though :-\ Maybe worked at one of the flesher businesses of the time www.archive.org/stream/postofficeperthd18845mars#page/216/mode/2up
126 South Street not showing here, from 1885, www.archive.org/stream/lesliesdirectory1885prin#page/242/mode/2up/search/macnaughton
Monica
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Hi All
For useless info 126 South street Perth is next to the Tesco Metro, it would back onto canal street in the late 1800s early 1900s there was a fire in the whiskey bond in canal street where there were reports of burning whiskey running down the street it destroyed a lot of the buildings in what is now Speygate I wonder if this is what destroyed the wood yard and associated properties I remember reading a report of this fire in old newspapers but cannot remember the dates if anyone has access to the newspaper archives!
Yours Aye
BruceL