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I have an account of the tragic death of Miss Marian Salmon (below) The Hearsey family and William Broome Salmon were all well connected to the H.I.E.C. but were originally from England with other family members here.
My Query is that I have never been able to find an account/report of this death in newspapers or Gazettes - have I been looking in the wrong place or was it common for news of this kind not to reach home?
The tragic journey began in the rains if 1827 when William and Marion Salmon and their daughter Marian met Mrs Salmon's brother John Hearsey in the Garhwal Hills of Ramnee. Mrs and Miss Salmon were ill at the start of the trip but soon recovered.
On the return journey in crossing the Nundakme River the log bridge broke in two, Marian Salmon and Sir John Hearsey were dashed into a boiling snow torrent from a considerable height. John tried in vain to save her, being all but drowned himself.
They stayed the bank of the torrent for 3 days, when the body of the drowned, young girl was recovered 14 miles lower down the torrent lodged by a broken tree and partly in the water.
A case was made for the body and her mother folded a cerement around it saturated with turpentine from a neighboring village, then laid in a mass of powdered charcoal and the case was carried before them in a funeral procession for five days until they arrived at the civil station Hawalpagh near Almorah where it was buried in Mrs Traill's garden there with a tomb erected over it.
I would be grateful for any information
with thanks
Crystal :D
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I was so interested to read this as I heard the same story from my grandparents who died in the 1970's. I am a direct descendant of Mrs Hearsey, so the unfortunate Marian who perished in the torrent would have been some sort of great-great aunt. I also read about this occurrence somewhere on the internet, though it was a different source as not exactly the same wording as you have used.
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Hello Marione
Welcome to rootschat :D
I am glad someone else has heard of the story, I am still no nearer finding anything else about it, I thought maybe an English newspaper may have carried a report..
I am a descendant from the Hearsey family also, can I ask who your grandparents were so that I can see if they are on my tree?
Regards
Crystal :)
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Dear Cousin Crystalight!
My grandfather was Lionel Mordaunt Broome Salmon, a twin born June 1888. His father, who so sadly predeceased him having been killed playing polo, was Mordaunt Broome Salmon and his mother was Maud Hancock.
(Mordaunt's paternal grandmother was the said Marion Hearsey).
Are we on your extended family tree and may I ask where you fit in?
Marione.
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Well this gets more interesting! .............Dear cousin Marione, nice to meet you
here goes...........
Am I to assume said Marion Hearsey is the one I have born abt. 1790 in Barhampur Darbhanga Bihar, India and died 13 Jan 1844 in Calcutta? She was married to William Broome Salmon
daughter Marion died 1827 (I have no birth date or age at death - do you?)
If so............said Marion (not the daughter) had a sister Charlotte Maria Hearsey born 23 May 1788 who married Paris Bradshawe born 1764 in Dublin (we believe) Ireland making them my 4x Great Grand parents.
I have William and Marion on my tree with 4 children,
1) Marion who had the tragic accident
2) George Paris Salmon born 1813
3) Harry Hearsey Salmon born abt 1821
4) Mordaunt Money Salmon born 30 Oct 1823
I am assuming it was likely that Mordaunt Broome Salmon was the son of No 4 above?
At the moment I have no further details for Harry or Mordaunt - I will be making some more searches to see if I can fit any more pieces of the puzzle together! and then you will feature on my extended family tree.
Crystal :)
ps If all of this is correct that makes us 5th cousins once removed!
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Dear Coz Chrystalight
My information is that my Great-Great-Grandfather was not Mordaunt Money Salmon as you very reasonably suggested. Mordaunt Money apparently died childless in the Mutiny aged in his thirties. In fact there was an eldest son, not mentioned in your list. another William Broome Salmon, born 1809, from whom we are descended (but doubtless my Great-grandfather was indeed named Mordaunt after his father's brother!)
Anyway this William Broome Salmon b 1809 married Sarah Welsh and they had 18 children. Mordaunt was one of the youngest of the family but he lived into his thirties. Sadly he was killed, as I mentioned before, playing polo only a few months after he married my great-grandmother, Maud Hancock. She went on to produce his twin sons. One twin, my great-uncle Max was married but died childless. The elder twin was my grandfather, Lionel Salmon.
So actually Mordaunt was "never a father" but has produced 65 descendants!!
You say we are 5th cousins but I think it is perhaps "once removed". I say this because of the two Hearsey sisters, Charlotte is your x4 great grandmother, whereas Marion is my x3 great grandmother.
It is really, really touching, isn't it, that Marian who perished in the river should have brought us together?
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Dear Cousin Marione
Wow! thanks for the detailed information, I will be taking a better look at all this later this week when I have more time - its getting late now. 18 children - poor woman!
You are quite right about the once removed (as I did mention at the end ;D) )
Poor Marian, what a dreadful death, since I read about it, it has always haunted me a little. As you say it is touching.
Bye for now
Crystal :)
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Dear Coz
Oops yes, you did mention the remove!! But after all what's a remove in a generation or two?
Do you remember your antecedents? I find it helps such a lot. For example I remember three of my great-grandparents well, and one of them I knew right until I was well grown-up, in other words she was not just a shadowy figure from when I was three or something like that. If I take it back to her great-grandparents, I feel the link goes back for miles.
Sadly it is not the particular great-grandparents we have been discussing that I remember - I just mean in general terms.
Would you like to know, though, that your 4th cousin twice removed - viz my father is going to be 91 years old tomorrow?!! Now he can remember a good way back which brings the forebears to life, doesn't it? He remembers his grandmother, Maud, who was born in India, the one who married Mordaunt the polo-player!
One more titbit, nothing to do with the Hearseys is: that my papa's grandfather (not the one on your side) was borne in William IV's reign. I mean my darling Daddy is still with us, going up to London, etc etc and yet his grandpa was born before Queen Victoria came to the throne - I was bowled over when I found out!!
Sorry it's late, I digress, Marione.
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Dear Cousin,
The remove is unimportant, what is amazing is that we have made contact in a way none of our Ancestors would have dreamed of............well apart from maybe Mary the grand daughter of Charlotte Maria Hearsey, she married Henry Babbage, son of the legendary Charles, pioneer of the modern day computer!
Please pass my birthday good wishes on to your father - 91 years old, now that is a great age and what a source of family history. I just wish that I had listened more carefully to my own grandparents tales of the family.
As for remembering........unfortunately not too much, a vague recollection of one great grandmother who died when I was about three, all my other great grandparents had already passed away by then as had the grandfather on my paternal side followed by his wife, my grandmother when I was five.
My other grandparents also died quite young but lived long enough to have known my own daughter for a very few years.
My own parents died very young as well, within two years of each other in 1995 and 1998. My father just reached 70 and my mother not quite 65. So many lost memories.
The family tree has enlightened me to my past but I just wonder how many of these people were known to my immediate family and how much of the history they themselves knew.
Crystal
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I was so interested to read this as I heard the same story from my grandparents who died in the 1970's. I am a direct descendant of Mrs Hearsey, so the unfortunate Marian who perished in the torrent would have been some sort of great-great aunt. I also read about this occurrence somewhere on the internet, though it was a different source as not exactly the same wording as you have used.
What a lovely exchange, I enjoyed reading it. Sorry I can't join in the "coz"-ing but I am connected to George Paris Salmon's second wife and therefore think there is no Hearsey connection.
Nonetheless I have found what is probably the reference for the story about Marian's demise which is told by Sir John Hearsey in Chapter VI of "The Hearseys Five Generations Of An Anglo Indian Family" by Col Hugh Pearse. It can be found at Internet Archive http://www.archive.org/stream/hearseysfivegene030861mbp/hearseysfivegene030861mbp_djvu.txt
Isn't it fun, being on the genealogical hunt, and doesn't the house get dirty? ;D
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Hello and welcome smiderlich, enjoy the fun,
Isn't it fun, being on the genealogical hunt, and doesn't the house get dirty? ;D
amazing where all the dust comes from :o
Thanks for the reference, I have in fact purchased the book - more to read!
I take it that George Paris salmon's second wife is Grace Ann Hillhouse?
and their children would be Harry born 1856 Nona born 1858 and Mortennt born 1861 is that correct?
Crystal :D
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amazing where all the dust comes from :o
Hi Crystal,
Thanks for the warm welcome.
I once found a dessicated frog caught up in the dust balls under the couch. I felt so sad for it, trapped there and dying of thirst, that I lifted my game a little and made sure I vacuumed behind the couch in future!
Yes, my connection is with Grace Ann Hillhouse (1833-1898) . She was my first cousin 5 times removed, ie the niece of my 4x great grand mother Eliza Hanbury Hornblower (now there's a name hey?)
I have 5 children from her marriage with George Paris Salmon
1. Harry Salmon (1856)
2. Nora Salmon (1858-1930)
3. Mordaunt Reynolds (1861-1863)
4. Helen Salmon (1864-1911) - ref is from Family Search Scotland ODM
5. William Salmon (1865) - ref is 1891 Scotland census
As far as I can determine, Harry is the only one to have had children. He married Florence Maud Mary Shaw Barnsley and had 4 children with her. They lived in Australia and New Zealand. One of Harry's grandsons (well the only one I have found actually) was William Hearsey McMillan Salmon who was a historian and professor at Bryn Mawr College.
Nora married James Turner Perkins (b.1854) from USA but did not have any children that I can find.
I haven't found much about Helen or William to date.
They all seem to have been remarkable people for whom learning was important. There are inventors (I was interested to learn of the Babbage connection) and teachers galore scattered through the family tree. It explains alot of what is valued in my own family and shows how values can be transmitted down the line even from those ancestors long forgotten by those alive. We inherit more than DNA.
all the best
Julia
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Hi Julia,
How interesting to find some more extended family ancestors to check up on ;D thank you for the details.
As you say, it would seem that we inherit more than DNA and isn't it fun finding out where it all came from 8) Some unexplained things suddenly make sense.
Best Wishes
Crystal :D
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Hi! Just came across this thread when looking up Hyder Young Hearsey. Re the bridge incident, I wonder if this web page ( http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/edward-blunt/list-of-inscriptions-on-christian-tombs-and-tablets-of-historical-interest-in-th-hci/page-31-list-of-inscriptions-on-christian-tombs-and-tablets-of-historical-interest-in-th-hci.shtml ) will be any help.
The page cited is an extract from the book : "List of inscriptions on Christian tombs and tablets of historical interest in the United Provinces of Agra and Oudh" and the complete book can be accessed on Internet Archive dot com (but the extract is a direct lead in for the Hearsey incident, which is about a third of the way down the page).
The extract gives some further information, such as the age of the girl, beyond what is found in the Pearse book.
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Hi and Welcome Stetson
Thank you so much for that information, I had not come across it before and it indeed gives a little more information, interestingly it includes details of Captain Hearsey too.
Crystal :D
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Hi! Thanks for your welcome and glad the info was of some use to you, especially the date of birth. One more reference, apart from Pearse, is cited in Blunt's "Inscriptions .... ...." this being Almoriana by V. I think most of the additional info in Blunt could be from that source as the grave is located near Almora. I found that Almoriana is available online (not too expensive). It might be a worhtwhile idea to get hold of a copy as it may possibly have additional info, though one can not say for sure.
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:D Thanks again, I have read quite extensively about the various members of the Hearsey family and have found something new in everything I have read!
This page from Blunts inscriptions also has a lot of information -
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/edward-blunt/list-of-inscriptions-on-christian-tombs-and-tablets-of-historical-interest-in-th-hci/page-23-list-of-inscriptions-on-christian-tombs-and-tablets-of-historical-interest-in-th-hci.shtml
This is another account of the story about Marion from a book I have only just discovered Holy Himalaya; the religion, traditions, and scenery of Himalayan province (Kumaon and Garwhal) by E Sherman Oakley
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/e-sherman-oakley/holy-himalaya-the-religion-traditions-and-scenery-of-himalayan-province-kuma-hci/page-10-holy-himalaya-the-religion-traditions-and-scenery-of-himalayan-province-kuma-hci.shtml
How is your research going on Hyder Young Hearsey? Its been a while since I read up on him.
Crystal :D
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Crystalight : Thanks for the quick responses and the links. I had only browsed cursorily through Blunt's "Inscriptions .... ...." and had missed the page you cite, that is most useful thank you.
FYI, the second link you provide (From Holy Himalayas) is actuallly an extract from Almoriana, as stated at the end of the extract itself. I had already come across that. Which is why I thought Almoriana possibly may have some more info. As I live in India, it is an easy matter for me to source the book at the nominal Rupee price. If I then find any additional info, I will surely let you know.
I was only looking for any new info on Hearsey, over and above what is found in Pearse and other books, as I am planning to visit Mussoorie and Landour, possibly in October, after the rains.
A few very interesting characters, all of them contemporaries, lived in Mussoorie / Landour around the mid 19th Century which is one reason for my interest in the hill station apart from all the spectacular hill scenery in and around the location. These men are : Col Frederick Young the "founder" of Mussoorie, George Everest, Sir Proby Cautley, Hyder Young Hearsey and "Pahadi" Wilson. I already know more than a bit about the last two and am boning up on the rest, including Cautley who built the Ganges Canal the longest in the world then at nearly 4000 miles..So, if I can do justice to it, there is enough material for an interesting blog post (see my blog : http://gibberandsqueak.blogspot.com/ which has been somewhat static of late but is shortly to be resumed).
It is fascinating to think that all these guys lived in Mussoorie at the same time, each engaged in his own adventurous undertaking (though Hearsey did not live there, he used to visit and had a lot to do with the place).
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Hello again Stetson,
FYI, the second link you provide (From Holy Himalayas) is actuallly an extract from Almoriana, as stated at the end of the extract itself. I had already come across that. Which is why I thought Almoriana possibly may have some more info. As I live in India, it is an easy matter for me to source the book at the nominal Rupee price. If I then find any additional info, I will surely let you know.
I was only looking for any new info on Hearsey, over and above what is found in Pearse and other books, as I am planning to visit Mussoorie and Landour, possibly in October, after the rains.
I would be grateful to hear, if indeed you find any additional info from Almoriana.
Now I am jealous of your visit to Mussoorie etc! I remember vividly reading up on the area and about Hyder Young Hearsey's trip to the source of the Ganges, the holy lake of Mansarowar, the mountains and his pictures. I was fascinated by all the stories I could find.
I have also been a little intrigued by his parentage as some books site Andrew Wilson Hearsey as the father whilst others call him the "guardian" and just who was the native Jat lady - I guess we will never know for sure? It's all so interesting. I enjoyed reading about the expedition of Hyder Young Hearsey and William Moorcroft and their encounters with the Gurkha's
I will be keeping an eye on your blog!
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Hi! Crystal : As to Hyder Young's parentage, though I regard (rightly or wrongly) Pearse's book as the definitive account in most respects, he is strangely silent on the parentage of Hyder.
Also, any references to Andrew Wilson Hearsey (1752 - 98) being Hyder's "guardian" would appear to be mostly from sources written after Pearse who published, I think, in 1905.
I think I have with me some books which state that Hyder's mother was a Jat lady and it is quite likely (though I know I have to produce papers to prove it) that that was the case, gimme some time and I will look those books up. It is more than likely that Andrew Hearsey was Hyder's father through this "marriage" but that, once he married Catharine, Hyder was presented to the world as a ward.
I am sure you know that William Linnaeus Gardner and Hyder Hearsey married sisters (the Cambay princesses).
Thank for your interest in Mussoorie and Landour, fascinating places both. I think I will stay in Rokeby Manor in Landour which was Pahadi Wilson's house, now a very good resort hotel fully restored to its original style. You can see some pics at : http://www.rokebymanor.com/index.html.
Hope you will soon be inspired to check out Mussoorie yourself! ;D
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Hi Stetson
Always happy to hear if you are able to find any more detail about the Hearsey family (or indeed Paris Bradshawe and family!)
Thank you yes, I did know of the Cambay princesses and the marriages.
:o I am more than inspired to visit, what a beautiful place 8) - I just need a more well paid job and some time!
Cheers
Crystal :D
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Hi! Crystal : "lways happy to hear if you are able to find any more detail about the Hearsey family". Sure, yes, certainly but ,if I do find any snippets on the subject at all, who knows, it may take a long time. Let us see.
Meanwhile, I am sure you know that Hyder Hearsey was a pt competent amateur artist and that his watercolour drawings can be accessed at the British Lib online. But what you may not know is that Mildred Archer, the art historian, wrote that Hearsey's drawings "imbue the Himalayas with shaggy, uncouth splendour"! Rather a nice notion that.
So, I attach one of those pics ("borrowed" from BL), hope it uploads properly.
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;D Hi Stetson
I have accessed his watercolours in the past but I had not heard that critique.
Still pretty amazing I think, especially given the time frame, unrest and conditions in which he worked, I certainly would not mind owning one!
I wonder which, if any of the travellers depicts Hearsey himself ::)
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Crystal : In my previous post I had said that I think Hyder Hearsey might likely have been the natural son of Andrew Wilson Hearsey although the latter claimed to be only the “Guardian” of Hyder. I still stick to this notion although there is a contra indication which I forgot to mention in that post. My only excuse is that I was writing that post while at work (in the same way that I am writing this and most other posts!) and easily distracted by the telephone, a visitor etc.
Whilst no evidence is given for the statement, the big surprise is that it is Col Hugh Pearse who has written that Hyder was the son of Harry Hearsey, an officer with the Marathas who fell at the Battle of Merta, 1790. It is in an article written for the Geographical Journal by Pearse (Moorcroft and Hearsey's Visit to Lake Mansarowar in 1812). The year of publication is 1905, the same year as the book, yet Pearse has not said anything to that effect in the book itself.
No other details are given, so it is very difficult to say whether or not Pearse is right (and if he is, why he did not mention it in the book is a further question). Now, I have not so far been able to find any info about Harry Hearsey but I have yet to look up Duff’s “Marathas” as I have misplaced my 3 set volume somewhere at home (quite an achievement that, as the volumes run to about 3000 pages!). The only doubtful reference I have until now found about Harry H is this (page 97 refers) : http://oudl.osmania.ac.in/bitstream/handle/OUDL/2348/218796_Proceedings_Of_Meetings_Vol_XI%20-%205.pdf?sequence=2
But,as no first name is given, the reference could equally apply to Andrew H who, in some accounts, is said to have started in the Madras Army. And Pearse does not explain whether Harry H was a deserter (ex HEIC Army) or mercenary nor if his Indian wife was a Jat or Rajput or what. I can not find any army lists of that period to look up and, whilst I visit UK 4 or 5 times a year, I am not able to rummage around in BL as prior intimation is needed. My be you might be able to do something in that line?! And I will look up my set of Duff soon (I would think Duff is also on the Internet Archive but let me find my own set).
I came across a snippet of this Pearse article some time back but it was only the first page on a “Pay & Read” site. So I bought a PDF of that article and can mail it to you if you post your mail ID here (or, better still, write to my mail box through my blogger profile). It makes interesting reading about the travels of Hyder and Moorcroft.
I have more stuff to relate to you and some refs to provide but work intrudes! So, later today or tomorrow then! Best.
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Thank you for the detailed reply Stetson, I too had the name of Captain Harry or Henry Hearsey but have never found out who he was (wondering if mixed up with Harry Hearsey Salmon?) and like yourself believe the father to be Andrew H As you say "curious".
I also have notes that indicate Hyder Y H had three sisters which I have always assumed refer to Charlotte Maria, Marian and Sophia daughters from Andrews marriage to Charlotte Crane but this has never tallied up with the reference to them all marrying officers namely
J.O. Clarkson, Arthur Owen and Sir William Richards KCB.
The above did in fact marry Col Paris Bradshawe, Lt. Col William Broome Salmon (who in fact had a son called Harry Hearsey Salmon!) and Col Francis Hall (who met with a rather gruesome death) respectively
Will PM you my email thanks
Crystal :)
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Crystal : Hope you found that PDF (Pearse on Hyder & Moorcroft's Manasarovar journey) from the Geographical Journal.
Your question about Hyder's parentage has got me interested in his family tree (I was more interested in his journeys and in what happened to his estates during and after his time ). IPreviously, I had simply relied on Pearse's book but he has contradicted himself in the PDF or at the least confused us. So I will now try to find what info I can on Harry P Hearsey even if no writer other than Blunt states that Hyder was the son of the latter.
Now, I will share with you some more links that I had come across previously and book marked (took me a while to fish them out from my "Favourites" drop down box). It is quite likely that you may know most, or even all, of them but, even so, thee links may be useful to others reading this thread :
http://www.archive.org/stream/asiatickresearc03indigoog#page/n480/mode/2up This is from the Asiatick Researches, Vol XI and is an account of Hyder, Webb and raper's Survey of the Source of the Ganges undertaken in 1808 and writeen by Raper. Raper really takes you along with him and you get a vicarious feel for the journey!
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lords/1857/dec/07/major-general-hearsey-explanation This is by way of a little light relief which I enjoyed. It is an extract from the Hansard relating a debate in the Lords and centres around the question of whether or not Gen J B Hearsey was reprimanded by the Viceroy for exceeding his authority in promoting a soldier!
http://www.archive.org/stream/asiatickresearc02indigoog#page/n398/mode/2up This is an account by Moorcroft of the trip to Manasarovar undertaken by him and Hyder Hearsey in 1812. All of 160 pages and as absorbing as the Raper account.
The best of course, though it only relates to a small but important incident, is the chapter in Charles Allen's "A Mountain in Tibet" in which he relates the story, a canard, spread by the establishment of the day that Hyder had copied a map drawn by Webb and claimed it as his own. But Allen provides proof positive that Hyder Hearsey did no such thing and that the map had, in fact, been drawn by him. That he got little recognition for it nor had his legitimate claim to his estate endorsed by the Raj and the Govt of India is one reason I am interested in the story of HYH. Another, of course, is his exploration and adventures.
One more reason is my attraction for the Himalayas (which I have been to only once but would like to visit again in October). As the Skanda Purana (a sacred Hindu epic) says :
“In a thousand ages of the gods I could not tell thee of the Glory of the Himalayas .…,”
AND
"There are no mountains like the Himalays, for in them are Kailash and Manasarovar"
And Hyder Hearsey did go to Kailsah and Mansarovar, didn't he (being the first to do so with Moorcroft)?!
Hope you agree.
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Thank you Stetson, I did indeed find the PDF - you will find a reply to your email I hope, listing some of the contradictions I have found about Hyder Hearseys close family.
Although fun to find out, it is also at times very time consuming and frustrating :-\
The links you have listed are proving to be great reading, I did indeed have the extract from the Hansard about Gen J.B. Hearsey but certainly not that account of the survey of the source of the Ganges, I have started reading - there are some amazing details revealed in there, unfortunately the page loading is very slow today and an error message tells me to check back at another time on the Moorcroft link.
So I will certainly revisit these links again.
Ever since I first found out about my Ancestors living in India, there has been a certain draw and fascination of the area for me, especially of The Himalayas and Tibet, I would like to think that just maybe one day I will be able to visit them.
"And Hyder Hearsey did go to Kailsah and Mansarovar, didn't he (being the first to do so with Moorcroft)?! Hope you agree."
I do agree with your statement above
The Hearsey's seem to have been cheated out of their claim to the estate by the Hon. East India Company from what I have read.
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Hi - Excuse my jumping into your conversation. I am interested in finding out if there is any connection between the Hearsey family and the Hersey and Hercy families. Are there any male Hearseys descended from the Anglo-Indian family? If so, would they be interested in taking a yDNA test to see if they match the Hersey family? (yDNA is passed unchanged from father to son only.) -- William Hersey (aka Hercy, Hearsey and Hearsay) came to America in 1635 in the company of people from Hingham, Norfolk and is probably a member of the Hercy family of Notts although he himself was from Reading, Berks. The Hersey/Hersy/Hearsey/etal family was well documented and pretty spread out. It would be fun to see if there were any connection with your family and mine. - The yDNA test is about $100 and we could help with or cover the expense if someone were interested in taking part. Thanks. - John Hersey
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Hello and welcome John,
How interesting, I believe there will be male descendants from the Anglo-Indian family but I am not unfortunately in contact with any :( But I will be watching this space. I do hope you are successful in this.
I can only trace the Hearseys involved in my line back to Theophilus Hearsey who took up arms in the battle of Culloden 1735 (?) before he and his two sons fled to Holland, part of the family retuning to London some years later.
I have not been able to trace them before or in Culloden maybe I will try alternative spelling.
Good Luck
Crystal :D
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Hi Crystal,
Thanks for your reply and good luck with your search under other spellings. I did notice in the Intro. to the 5 generations of Hearseys book that a Mr. Hersey was thanked for his contribution to sorting out the various branches of the family, so, presumably, we are one family.
I'm in touch with a Hersey in London whose family lore has it that they're Gypsies, seriously, and I have found a Hersey in an old English census listed as Gypsy (actually, another word, which escapes me, which meant Gypsy.) I've wondered if this family is actually descended from the Anglo-Indian family and forgotten their true roots. Anyway, since they don't know their pedigree, their yDNA results wouldn't mean much.
I also wrote to a woman, via Facebook, who is descended from the Hearseys, but she didn't reply. Would you be she? She uses "Round" as part of a pseudonym.
I'll let you know if I get any leads.
John
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Sorry John, she is not me! on Facebook.
I am in touch with another descendant of the Hearseys but slightly sideways in the tree.
Yes please let me know if you find out anything.
Crystal :D
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Hallo! Crystal ; Forgot this link when posting earlier (and remembered only now because I ws looking up this source for some other purpose).
It is Vol 2 of the monumental 5 volume "Historical Records of the Survey of India by Col Reginald Phillimore, D SO, all of 2000+ pages in the 5 volumes but engrossing. totally absorbing for those with an interest in such things. Vol 5, by the way, is not to be found as it is believed to contain some sensitive info re India's northern borders (I am sure there may be nothing terribly secret about that info, seeing it relates to 1873 latest but that is bureaucracy for you). Even the other 4 volumes can only be accessed on line at this link (and Vol 5 at the BL and the Royal Geog Soc).
Enjoy!!!
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Hello again Stetson,
Once again thanks for this link. I will be kept busy with all this reading! Especially as I am very busy with work etc. at the moment, so I will read shortly.
Thank you :D
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Hi, I am new to this site so apologies now for any mistakes. I am a Hearsey descendant and have been researching the family for years. I have been reading your chats and now have decided to join in. My cousin is a male Hearsey for the person who was interested in genes, I won't post his name but he is an AH for all those in the know. I have a picture of the Princess Hyder married and various books that I have collected over the years.
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Hello and welcome HarriettEliza,
May I say I am very glad that you have joined in!
I know you are unable to send a private message until you have 2 or 3 posts on Rootschat, not sure if the same applies to me sending you one :-\ I will try sending my email address but if you do not receive it that will be why!
I would love to hear if your findings match up with mine (you may have some to add?) and I would love to see the picture of Princess Hyder.
You may be able to clarify some of the things in this topic anyway.
I am VERY busy for the next two weeks and then away for a week in Scotland so I will only be keeping half an eye on Rootschat
So I look forward to hearing from you in the near future
Crystal :D
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Interesting... I'm descended from James Hearsey (coachman) and Mary Elliott married 1796, with children Henry 1798 Newbury Berks; Mary 1800 Newbury; Charles 1806 Chelsea; Mary Elliott 1807 Islington.
Their great grandchildren (my great grandmother and her sister) were dark, and my family called them "Spanish". The sister's nickname was "Little Gypsy".
I've been searching for the gypsy, Spanish, or even Indian (following your train of thought) connection, to no avail.
Have you found anything more?
Judy (California)
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Hello Judy,
Nice to hear from you!
I am not in a position to look up to see whether there is a connection to a James Hearsey at the moment. Once I am able to access my information in a couple of weeks I will reply more fully!
In the meanwhile there is quite a lot of information relating to the Hearseys on this thread, if you have not already read it.
back soon
Crystal :D
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Thanks, Crystal. I have read all the posts on this thread, and wish that my James Hearsey was connected. He may be... but I searched the Anglo Indian book for his name and that of his wife and children, with no luck.
There are some Hearseys who lived in Kensal Green (Chelsea & Kensington), where son Charles was baptised in 1806, but I don't find a connection there either.
I've also checked the Hearseys in Kent, but again, no joy.
Here's hoping you find something!
Judy
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Hello again Judy,
Hopefully we will find something!
I will check back in a couple of weeks,
Meanwhile Happy Hunting
Crystal :D
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A story about J. B. Hearsey of lakhimpur India, began before mutiny 1857 and end after freedom 1947. I need more information about hearsey of Mamri Lakhimpur because after 1910 history is poorly documented, I have explore various footprints of Captain Hearsey of Mamri Kheri India and photographed it. Hearsey family lived in my district lakhimpur till 1980.
http://krishnakumarmishra.blogspot.com/2011/12/story-of-anglo-indian-bungalow-and-its.html
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Finally time to check out James Hearsey for Judy and sorry to say that I cannot at present find the connection with "my " branch of the Hearseys.
Hello and Welcome manhan,
I have Sir John Bennett Hearsey KCB in my tree 1793 - 1865 - he is the brother in law of Paris Bradshawe from whom I descend and he played a major part in The Great Rebellion 1857.
I have another John Bennett Hearsey ( son of Lionel Douglas Hearsey) Birth 26 June 1876 in Mussoorie, West Bengal, India - no further information.
and I have another John Bennett (Moorcroft) Hearsey (son of Hyder Young Hearsey all I know about him is:
On outbreak of the mutiny Captain John Hearsey was stationed at Sitapur, a station in Oudh where almost all Europeans were murdered, he compiled a narrative of his experiences for the government in 1858.
Commanding 6th regiment Oudh Military Police, then appointed to intelligence department
After this time I know little of the Hearseys in India - I would be interested to know of more recent Hearseys.
Crystal :D
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i have whole information and images of their bungalows, i will tell u...
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hello crystalight
Namaste
I am talking about another J.B. Hearsey who lived lakhimpur kheri. Mussorie situated in Uttarakhand, India not in West Bengal. I need more information regardin another J.B. Hearsey, he died at mussorie also, I want contact his descendent, because after freedom 1947, the history of people very poorly documented,... please contact through email
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Hello Manham
I am very interested in your research as I am a descendent of JB Hearsey. Major General Sir John Bennett Hearsey. I know there are other JB Hearsey's as the name was popular. My father came to England in 1947 (I believe) and I have contact with other Hearsey's. But alas I am not sure which JB Hearsey you mean. I need to get all my records out and have a good look. I have looked at your link and found the pictures interesting. I would like to know what else you know so that I can pinpoint which JBH you mean and it may also expand my knowledge of my family.
HarrietEliza
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I have contacted "Manhan" direct but just for the continuity of this thread I will clarify that he is looking for descendants of
Lionel Douglas Hearsey born 20 February 1847 who married his ( Lionel that is) cousin Amelia Charlotte Hearsey (daughter of Sir John Bennett Hearsey KCB) 27 Dec 1866 British Legation Florence Italy.
They had 7 children as far as I am aware but I have no further information about them.
He would also like any information or photos about Amelia Charlotte Hearsey who was a naturalist and painter.
Crystal :D
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Dear Eliza,
I am talking about the John Bennett Hearsey son of Lionel Douglas Hearsey of Lakhimpur United Provinces India, Mr. Lionel B. Hearsey married to the daughter of Major general J.B.hearsey KCB, So this familly have had very close relations. I have visited all the palces of Mutiny and take images of that place where lots of events took place...Major General J B H also vosited my village during mutiny and surroundings. But I have no further info about Mr. J B. Hearsey of Lakhimpur son of Lionel D. Hearsey, If you have any information please inform me, this hearsey family swith over lakhimpur after freedom in 1980.....?
please add me at facebook
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Hi Krishna
The information that I have at the moment is that the John Bennett Hearsey you talk of was one of 10 children by Lionel and Amelia Hearsey. He was born 1876 and succeeded to the title of Taluqdar of Mamri in Kheri Dist. in 1911, if that means anything to you as is does not to me. I also have that Capt. Lionel D.W. Hearsey lived at Haripur P.O. Pilibhit dist. U.P. India in 1938-39. Again I hope that means something to you. I will look further for you soon. Also, did you know that Major General John Bennett Hearsey, Amelia's father, was very interested in bugs and butterflies, etc. There is a large collection, 1400 specimens, held at the Oxford University Museum of Natural History that he collected and sent to England in his time. Some of the species are still studied today even though are over one hundred years old. He also painted plants, again there is one painting at the Oxford museum and I believe some at the National Archives.
I hope this is a little help for you,
regards
HarrietEliza
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Dear Eliza
Thank you very much for your information regarding capt. J.B. Hearsey, He was naturalist too I did not knew, so thanks, I wouldlike information hearsey of pilibhit...you have manage and send the paintings of J.B. Hearsey in digital form. Please contact to me at mail.
krishna.manhan[at]gmail.com
I need info about John Bennet hearsey who born in 1876, if I can find the descedent of Mr. hearsey then I will get history of hearsey family from 1911 to till now.
thanks
Krishna
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Re: Hearsey/Salmon family Hon East India Co
Hello ! my maternal grandmother, May Rosamond Claire Hearsey, born 1885 , was the daughter of Hariett Elizza Hersey and Andrew William Hearsey.
My mother was born in Mussourie India
I believe Hariett lived to a grand age as my mother (now 88) seems to remember her.
I have some information about the part of the Hearsey family but I have some gaps.
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Hello and Welcome Martin,
Nice to hear from another distant cousin and Hearsey family member :D
I am sure we all have gaps in our Hearsey trees, I know I have.
You may be able to fill some of your gaps from the earlier parts of this thread or add to the information given here.
I do not have a lot of information about Harriett Eliza and Andrew William Hearsey apart from their births and marriage dates, a brief history of Andrew William Hearsey's Infantry career and his involvement in the Indian Mutiny also the date he died at Ranchi on 19 July 1896 and the names of 10 of their children. Unfortunately I have no date of death for Harriett Eliza
I would be most interested to know more.
Crystal :D
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I was very interested to read all this Salmon/Hearsey information. Am currently trying to track back via Sarah Welsh (wife of William Broome) as I believe she was a direct descendant of Capt Francis Light (founder of Penang) and his son William (founder of Adelaide). A lot of founding!
Rosie
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Hello and welcome Rosie,
I am glad you found the thread and hopefully we can all help each other here.
Good Luck with the "founding" do let us know how you get on or if you think we may be able to help.
Crystal :D
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Hi smiderlich
I am related to George Paris Salmon from his first son. Have we spoken before?
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Hi,
I'm not related to the Hersey family, but I have in my possession (it's a long story) some photographs of the Hersey family who lived in India during the early part of the last century. I think they lived in Pondicherry. Would anyone like to see them ?
Josh
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Hi Josh and welcome,
I for one would love to see these photos of the Hearsey's who lived in India especially if they are related to 'mine' who all seemed to live near Mussorie but they would be interesting anyway as there is probably a connection.
Crystal :D
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Hi Crystal,
Hope you find a connection. Rootschat only permits me 2 pictures at a time, so will be happy to upload a few more if you think it helps. From what I gather they lived in Yercaud, they might have visited Bangalore from time to time.
Josh
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What amazing pictures Josh! Thank you!
As yet I do not recognise any names but certainly Harriet is one that runs through the Hearseys, do you know who the parents are in the picture?
"my" Hearseys were in India from late 1700's - mid/late 1800's of course there will be offspring from those that I "lose" in my research as records are often hard to find. They all seem to have large families and unless someone has done something notable there are seemingly no records.
In my records I have births, marriages and people living in places such as Mussoorie, Barrackpore, Lakimpor Oudh, Lucknow, Cude, Dehra Dun, Uttar Pradesh, Neemuch, Dinapore, Allabad, Sauger Madhya Pradesh, Rawal Pindi and Bengal amongst others!
I would love to see more of these photos and for the continuity of this thread it would certainly be good as others may be able to fit the pieces together.
Is their anyone else reading this thread who may recognise the connection?
Crystal :D
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Hi Crystal,
Unfortunately the parent's names werer not given. Going by my limited deduction skills, I'm fairly confident that this family were based in South India, and not from any of the cities you mentioned. Here are some more.
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Thank you again Josh, the photos are really good!
The Canning name also runs through "my" Hearseys
Governor General Lord Canning was connected to the Hearsey family, I cannot remember if he was a family friend or more! but I do remember he wrote a personal letter to Sir John Bennett Hearsey congratulating him on his son's bravery and that Andrew (sir John's son) was a son to be very proud of.
I have a George Arthur Canning Hearsey Birth 3 July 1884 in Mussoorie, West Bengal, India.
His parents were Lionel Douglas Hearsey who married his cousin Amelia Charlotte Hearsey 27 December 1866 at British Legation Florence Italy.
Lionel was a far famed Shikari (hunter) whose knowledge of the craft of the jungle was of the highest order (grandson and representative of Hyder Young Hearsey) he lived at Lakhimpor Nr. Kheri in Oudh.
So it would appear there is a connection somewhere!
Crystal :D
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Well !! Having researched my family for many years I asked my sister in law Carol Davies about her family and a few days ago started to check what was available on the net. So much info on a fascinating family and I've only just begun. Carol is descended from, if I'm correct, George Salmon married to Mary Broome - their son Lieut Col William Broome Salmon married to Marion Hearsey, their son Major ? George Paris Salmon married to Letitia Sandeman, their son colonial cattle farmer ?William Hearsey Salmon married to Caroline Glover Ker Graham, their daughter Merle Paris Salmon married to Richard Hubert Daunt and their daughter Jennifer M Daunt married to James Hyde. The Daunt side of the family is every bit as interesting and steeped in Indian affairs as well as Boer war etc, Lieutenant Colonels a popular family rank. We visited the grave of her grandmother Merle Paris Salmon / Daunt in Cornwall a few weeks ago which stimulated my interest. Must finish reading all your Hearsey / Salmon info on rootschat which I will pass on to 'your' relative when she returns from her hol. Diolch
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Hello Petli, Nice to hear from you,
Oh! you have a few names there that I recognize and a few that don't so I will check up what I have.
George Paris Salmon was indeed a Major in the Bengal Artillery.
I may be wrong but I have their son William, Birth - 25th March 1841 Baptism - 13 July 1845 Perth, Perthshire as being married to Jessie E ? unknown surname? so perhaps you can throw some light on that for me? I believe William had 3 sisters.
I also have a second marriage for George Paris Salmon after Letitia's death to Grace Ann(e) Hillhouse with a further 3 children
I will await the next instalment!
Crystal :)
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Hi. If you input George Paris Salmon 1813, you should access a neatly written tree + photo for G.P.S. This includes Williams 3 full sisters + the 2nd marriage to Miss Hillhouse. Will recheck the marriage to Jessie E.The tree also has William Salmon, Catherine Salmon and Marian Salmon at 'Auntie' Ann Sandemans address in the 1851 census immediately followed by the name Walter Trout ( boarder ) - it doesn't take much to amuse me :) Regards.
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I have had a look at that thank you now I will compare information ;D
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Took some refinding - should keep notes! Cahill/Lay Family tree on Ancestry.co.uk. Ronald Graeme Zieglor Hersey Salmon. Birth 1907 Cornwall Death West Sussex. Parents William Hersey Salmon and Caroline Glover Ker Graham. Think Ronald may have been a twin as a John Charles L Salmon was also born 1907 in St Columb Cornwall. I believe Caroline Glover Ker Salmon died 1911. Perhaps William Hearsey Salmon born 1841 had an earlier marriage, there is a 33 year difference between his and Carolines age :)
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Thanks Petli, I will look into that to see what I come up with in the way of records but it does seem likely that there was a previous marriage to Jesse E unknown.
Meanwhile back on the Hearsey side does anyone have any knowledge of marriages/children etc. of the descendants from Lionel Douglas William Hearsey Born 1847 and his wife Amelia Hearsey?
his children were Amy, Minnie, Ethel, John,Clara, Leonora and George
Crystal :)
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Hi Hearseys
I am not related to the Hearseys but interested in Indian history and have just been reading Hugh Pearse's book about the Hearseys (hoping actually to find something about the Wheelers but there wasn't much).
In the photos posted here there is a Stuart Clarence Canning Hearsey. On the last page of Pearse's book there is a mention of one of John Bennet's sons by his second marriage to Emma Rumball. This son was called Clarence Canning Hearsey, so perhaps the family in the photo is connected?
Regarding Hyder Hearsey's parentage, Pearse, as someone here has pointed out, refers to Andrew Wilson Hearsey as his guardian and near relation rather than father, and also to John Bennet Hearsey as Hyder Hearsey's brother-in-law (I am not sure what that means). If Hyder and John Bennet were actually half brothers, then was Harriet (Hyder's daughter) marrying her uncle?
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Hi Sue,
The Hearsey's certainly are a fascinating family, I have spent hours tracing them and reading up on them.
I think the common belief is that Hyder Young Hearsey was in fact the result of a liaison with a native Jat lady and Andrew Wilson Hearsey and that he was in fact the father but I suspect it was not the done thing to admit to this especially in his position. Hyder was born in 1782 and Andrew die not marry Charlotte until 1787.
This would in fact make John Bennett Hearsey, Hyder's half brother and Johbn married his Hyder's daughter Harriet and yes, then she would have married her step uncle!
The Hearseys seemed to also have a history of marrying cousins.
For continuity of this thread the connection has been found to the pictures that Josh posted The parents of the children were Theophilus Neville Hearsey (Born 1868 – Died 1929) and Elspeth Evelyn Anderson (Born 1879)
The parents of Theophilus Neville Hearsey above were Andrew William Hearsey 1838 – 1896 and Harriet Eliza Hearsey 1846 -
Andrew William Hearsey’s father was Sir John Bennett Hearsey 1793 - 1865 and Harriet Hearsey from the paragraph above.
Crystal :)
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If I have understood Pearse correctly then two children of Amelia and John Bennett married two children of Hyder's son William Moorcroft and so the brides and grooms would have been both first cousins and first cousins once removed - all half-blood of course.
Back to Hyder's parentage. I thought perhaps Andrew Wilson Hearsey's will might have mentioned him so I looked it up. It didn't mention him specifically (at least not as far as I could see but I couldn't read the writing very well - it was in a funny sort of church court hand) but it did seem to mention some illegitimate children. As far as I could make out it first of all mentioned his wife, son and 3 daughters, and then said something about the HEIC and how he hoped they would remember his long service and "also the large family of children I have left(?) to be brought up both legitimate and illegitimate the latter arising from the vigour of youth and under the influence of a hot climate distant from my country and --- off from every possibility of forming a more --- and --- connection at an earlier period. I therefore trust they will be considered..." I gave up at this point but saved a copy if anyone wants to see it.
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Hello again Sue,
I cannot remember without searching whether I have looked at Andrew Wilson Hearseys will.
I have certainly looked at some of the other Hearseys wills and like you I have been unable to read them very well at all. I will have a search over the next few days to see if I can find it, if not perhaps I could ask if you could kindly send me a copy, I would of course pm you my email address.
I am rather tied up for the next few days so I may take a while to get back to you on this but thank you for your input it is all very useful.
Crystal :)
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I found by googling 'Sahib: The British Soldier in India 1750 - 1914' this - 'Henry Moorcroft Hearsey had a Pachesi board tattooed on his stomach so that his wives could enjoy a game while he relaxed / recovered'
However it also says that he had married a Jat lady and was the father of Hyder Hearsey. Surely it should be Andrew Willson Hearsey ? Did he have such a unique tattoo ?
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;D Petli I believe the father of Hyder Hearsey to be Andrew Wilson Hearsey too but what a bizarre story!
I have not come across any mention of such a tattoo, it would be fascinating to find out.
The middle name of Moorcroft is quite a common one amongst the Hearseys but as yet I have no details of a Henry Moorcroft Hearsey.
I am going to be away from the end of the week for two or three weeks but I will have a look at the article if I can find it on my return.
Many thanks for posting your findings on here, someone else may have more details.
Crystal :D
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Had sight of a copy of Merle Paris Salmons birth cert.
15/06/1904. Her mother is recorded as Caroline Glover Salmon, late Burn Matthew, formerly Graham.
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Hi Crystalight, trying to find my way around this site - new to the site - the Hearsey pictures that Josh sent are actually of my family - the children are all my aunties and one uncle with the parents being my grandfather and grandmother. The little one of Stuart Clarence Canning Hearsey, a very sad little fellow, is actually my father. I would love to know if he has any others and even where he got them from. Have got a lot of info re the family and gathered that your family are related down the line from my great, great, grandfather, John Bennett Hearsey so, assuming your famiy to be related to his sister.
Been following all your info for a while and it has been interesting.
Mariede
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Hello and welcome Mariade
I do remember thinking that I had found the link between 'my' Hearseys and yours, how amazing that the images are of your family.
Assuming your Grand Parents were Theophilus Neville Hearsey and Elspeth Evelyn Anderson. I believe Theophilus was previously married to Florence Emily ? unknown as yet and they had a child Florence Marion Hearsey born 1891 and died on 3rd October 1891 at Mussoorie Uttaranh..? then Bengal
I also believe Theophilus and Elspeths children to be:-
1. Ruby Elspeth Harriet Hearsey Born 1st August 1901 in Madras India (or at least registered there - same for others)
2. Dorothy Evelyn May Hearsey Born 27th April 1903 in Madras India
3. Winifred Marguerite Helen Hearsey Born 1st Sept 1904 in Bellary Karnataka India
4. Lilian Nancy Hearsey Born 27th October 1905 in India
5. Duncan Andrew Neville Hearsey Born 28th November 1907 in Madras India and died in the April Quarter 1993 at Worthing West Sussex
It would be nice to know if this information is correct (please feel free to update or correct) and where your own father fits in? perhaps you could PM me or send me an email (I will send you a PM with the address) if you you not want to post details of your father here.
Yes, my connection to John Bennett Hearsey is through his sister Charlotte Maria Hearsey the family is certainly an interesting one with quite a few unsolved mysteries on my side!
Any information you have would be great :)
All the best
Crystal :)
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Hi again. Re Jessie E ? wife of 'a' William Hearsey Salmon. Browsing the free part of the British newspaper archive currently being uploaded on the net I found a few useful reports.
28/04/1886 - William Hearsey Salmon late of Monte Video, eldest son of Major Salmon, Willanslee, lerth ( Perth ? ) to Jessie Euphemia only daughter of the Rev Ebenezer Kennedy, Rayview,Largo,Fifeshire.
Rev Ebenezer Kennedy married 13/02/1849 to Mary eldest daughter of Archibald Bisset Esq.
Rev Ebenezer Kennedy died Largo Fifeshire 06/08/1889.
I found no report for the early demise of Jessie E and still have to consider the possibility that there were two William Hearsey Salmons ?? Still you now have a surname for Jessie :)
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Thank you for that - most useful. :D
I have spent some time tonight looking into this and I think you may be right about there being two William Hearsey Salmon's.
This one married to Jessie Euphemia whose death I found 15 January 1903 along with probate 09 April 1903 certainly does not tie in with the probates of the William Hearsey Salmon and Caroline Glover Ker in Cornwall.
I will send them in a pm to you.
The plot thickens!
Crystal :D
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I found by googling 'Sahib: The British Soldier in India 1750 - 1914' this - 'Henry Moorcroft Hearsey had a Pachesi board tattooed on his stomach so that his wives could enjoy a game while he relaxed / recovered'
However it also says that he had married a Jat lady and was the father of Hyder Hearsey. Surely it should be Andrew Willson Hearsey ? Did he have such a unique tattoo ?
Enthralled by this thread. Notice that Maman mentioned Sitapur. My father inlaw taught there in 1930s and 1940s.
Sandra
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I just noticed that Caroline couldnt have died in child birth.
Also in some family research when Harry Salmon went to Scotland in 1912, he with met Katherine (Kate) and Marian Salmon who were William Hearsey sisters and they were looking after Merle and Ronald in the new house in Newquay. Also William Hearsey had built a cottage in Newquay in Cornwall for himself and his two young children but then died shortly after.
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Perhaps there are two William Hearsey Salmons. Then again am I missing a clue that Colonial cattle farmer W H S married to Caroline might not be the same as Jessies W H S late of Monte Video, Uruguay which has more cattle per head than any other country according to Wikipedia ??
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I have been trying to attach a photo of a large framed photo of William Hearsey Salmon and daughter Merle which is in my sister in laws house.
I appear to have failed though it may yet appear half a dozen times. If anyone would like to see the pic and they can befriend Peter Trehearn on facebook I will make the photo available there ( I think I'm the only Peter Trehearn on facebook )
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Greetings Sante. The building of the cottage was mentioned while we were in Cornwall - I'm not sure if the cottage was pointed out though I think it might have been. I gained the impression that Merle was quite a character and I was not surprised to discover again via a newspaper that she had overturned a car in London circa 1926.
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What an interesting exchange of comments and what a shame we cannot see the picture Peter!
This one is certainly a puzzle - perhaps he had two wives!
All of the death and probate entries tie in with his date of birth
Jessie died in Edinburgh 1903 appearing to have two addresses there I cannot post all details because of copyright laws here but:
'Kennedy or Salmon Jessie Euphemia of 'The Homelands' Limdin-links and of 8 Ramsey-gardens'
she actually died at 33 Coates gardens all in Edinburgh
the probate also mentions 'confirmation of William Hearsey Salmon, Robert Greig Kennedy civil engineer, Richard Wyse M.A. M.D'
which I found strange wording as it does not say husband or widower which is more common.
Jessie was certainly on the 1901 census with him in London
William Hearsey Salmon Living at 76, Cambridge Street, St. George Hanover Square, Belgrave, London aged 60 years with his wife Jessie aged 36 years
and in 1891
1891 Census - Jessie Living at Elphinstone Villa, Largo, Fife Scotland aged 27 with her husband William aged 50 years, living on his own means
We also now know he married her in 1886 when he would have been about 46
Salmon Caroline Glover Ker probate says she died at Pendrelan Newquay Cornwall on 19th January 1911 and that she was wife of William Hearsey Salmon gentleman who also did the administration of probate, she left effects of £135
The death I found puts him at 70 years of age and the only copy of probate I have found for William is
of the same address as above in Newquay died on 11th April 1911
Probate to Kate Salmon (spinster) Annie Ziegler wife of Henry Ziegler, Julius Otto Sandeman Ziegler, merchant and Nora Turner Perkins, widow. he left effects of £11771 13s 9d
What do we all make of that? :-\
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I was told of the connection to the Zeigler family and the name is one of the given names for Ronald ( Zeiglor ) son of William Hearsey Salmon. Ronald himself married into the Ionides family, 2nd marriage I believe, and thus is connected to a family which gave - I presume it is not a loan - The Ionides collection to the Victoria and Albert museum. Still cannot upload the photo :(
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I am sure you have followed the instructions to upload photo but I will try to recap :o
First you must resize your image so that it is 500 KB or less and it must be one of the specified file types below
txt, rtf, jpg, jpeg, gif, tif, pdf, mpg, png, ged
Then click on reply as normal (when replying to post)
Next click on 'Attach a photograph or image (and other options)...' found under the message box in Blue writing
This will open a couple of white boxes next to Attach with Browse in grey at the end
Click on Browse to find the file in your system - this will open a file upload box showing your computer system
(well it does on Firefox I assume all browsers work in the same way)
(I normally have image to upload in 'my pictures' as I run windows 7 not a Mac but I am sure once you click 'Browse' you can find your image anywhere on your system)
Once you find your image click on it that will highlight the file name and a box that says open
Click on open and your file name should be in the white box between 'attach' and 'browse'
Then 'post' as normal
I hope this helps - if not perhaps the help section of the forum would
Crystal :)
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Hi All
I believe that this is a picture of William Hearsey Salmon, if it is not, please let me know.
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:) Diolch :) That is the same gentleman as in his gt grandaughters picture. He is looking directly at the camera wearing a more nautical hat at a slightly rakish angle, His impressive moustache reaches beyond his cheeks. His daughter Merle looks around 3 years old so the photo would be circa 1907 ? I will try and get my mind round uploading the photo again later.
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;) Wonderful, I love seeing these old images,
Thank you
Crystal
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Found an old manuscript someone had submitted to the evening news about their ancestor Hyder Hearsey and his trip to Tibet with Moorcroft. Unfortunately there is no name and the piece is all about their trip, so possibly it was passed down in the family
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:o Interesting! Any details?
Crystal :D
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Hi ! I grew up on a Hersey Ranch at Palia Kalan, Lakhimpur Kheri as my father Thomas Carlyle managed it. Yes Hersey lived in Lakhimpur Kheri and had properties in Sitapur. I am in possession of book signed by Hearsey, an HMV portable gramophone with records and his personal diary.
Please directly contact me at petercarlyle(at)rediffmail(dot)com i would love to hear from all the Hearses or anyone in possession of artifacts or information.
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:)This is a very interesting thread.
Incidentally, my husband was brought up in Sitapur. He left just after partition when he was 12 and cannot remember the Hearsey /Salmon family at all. He is very puzzled because he can remember the grand houses and does not remember seeing any "Ferenghis" there.
When did the family leave?
Does anyone have any photos of the family please?
Sandra
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It is sad that my Dad passed on in 2011 else you had a walking reference on the Hersey's. We left Palia in 1978 after willing the case against the Gola Sugar Mills which had set up a branch on 100 acres of his land owned then by the Mijitias. We kept a few books and artifacts presented to us. His lawyer Mt Tomson left Sitapur after selling Sitapur Plywood and went on to buy a small island in the Mediterranean or somewhere. My Dad never bothered to open the safe sized 3'x2'x about 2-3' deep stocked with gold which was revealed after we left and the house burned down down to a electrical short circuit. He lost his memory with time especially after a sever depression when a French woman he brought from France after returning from the war left him for an English Magistrate whom he beat up and and jailed for the incident. He was never the same after that. She was a good woman who looked after him well and the Ranch too. Also, he was gassed in a German prisoner of war camp in France. People used him as he was submerged in depression.
I recently met the Burmese Hersey's the last of whom is alive and resides in Dehradun-he has about 2-4 children. He walked from Burma to India when the Japanese invaded Burma.
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Your Burmese Hearsey has a tale to tell.
Sandra
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...very interesting tale of death and survival.
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Hersey was an Anglo Indian and did not look very British in appearance. He was a simple and quite man who engaged in reading and preferred staying indoors most of the time.
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Would love to see your family on WDYTYA.
Have started to read the book referred to. A great tale of dering do.
Sandra
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RRRD Inter College Sitapur had a bungalow nearby on Civil Lines where English Tax Collectors would stay when they came on tour to collect taxes.
My husband's uncle was Inspector of Police in Sitapur.
Sitapur was the main training centre for Police in India.
My husband would love to share his memories with you.
Sandra
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I would love to speak with him.
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Welcome to the thread Petercarlyle
Can I ask which Hearsey your father knew and of whom you have the personal diary? Also which descendants were in Burma?
If you have read all of this thread you may have noticed that I am a descendant of Andrew Wilson Hearsey 1752 but any of the lines interest me, especially those from India as they must all be linked in some way.
I have followed many of the lines nearer to present day but some I lose along the way, it would be lovely to be able to piece a bit more of this fascinating family together.
Welcome back yasmina, I would also love to see the Hearsey/Salmon family on WDYTYA we may get a little nearer knowing more of the family!
Crystal :D
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I have been following this discussion. I am Elizabeth Salmon and the second wife of Ronald Hearsey Zeigler Salmon. Ronald had 3 daughters by his late wife killed in a car accident - Stevie, Julie & Rosanne ( she died last year from cancer), I had a son William Hearsey Salmon born in the 1960's and a daughter Clare Louise Salmon born in the 1970's. Apart from Stevie we all live in the USA now. Ronald died from cancer in 1987. He was 31 years older than me. Details of Living people removed by Moderator
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Hello and welcome Liz,
Nice to 'meet' you and many thanks for the concise family information it will be good to add to my personal family tree notes and another piece of the jigsaw
Crystal :D
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Having failed to upload the pic of William Hearsey Salmon and daughter Merle Paris Salmon I sent the photo to the site of a gentleman who has a fairly comprehensive tree of the Salmon family with several other relevent portraits. Google ghgraham.org this should bring up 'My Thompson Family Tree'. Click on the S to find the Salmon family names then click on William Hearsey Salmon 1841 -1911 and scroll down slightly to the portrait. Nice to see Elizabeth Salmon - wonder if she has any other 'ancient' Hearsey Salmon portraits ?
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My son William has the portraits of George Paris Salmon and Col. William and Marion Broome. His father inherited them from his father.
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:o :o :o ooh! it would be nice to see them :D
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Mrs Elizabeth Salmon: I believe the three portraits your son has are also available via the ghgraham site :)
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My late husband kept the large oil painting of George Paris Salmon in his workshop at our farm in the UK, it had some slight paint splashes on the frame. I was horrified by that, we had it cleaned up and we took it to the US with us. Ronald didn't know who it was, but the family likeness was very striking. My son has it now hanging in pride if place in his study. We only found out a couple of years ago from Jenny Salmon in Australia who in fact it was - Williams Great Grandfather.
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Brilliant.I have always been interested in 'my own' family history and asked my sister in law , your late husbands gt neice, about the large framed photo of William Hearsey Salmon and Merle. Having shared a camping holiday in Cornwall and seen various sites connected to the Salmon family along with some snippets of history I decided to have a delve into her family history. Basically it was all there to be found via the computer and increasingly fascinating - a family with amazing historical connections. I must get the book 'The Hearseys, Five generations of an Anglo Indian Family' and pass it on to Carol and her daughters. Regards.
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Petli .. Re your comment about getting hold of the book, I expect you already know but in case not, you can read actual scanned copy online at:
http://archive.org/search.php?query=The%20Hearseys
There are several editions listed.
Regards Rosie
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Diolch Rosie - I had read much of it online but I'm a bit of a Luddite where books are concerned and it will make it easier to get the attention of others with a milder interest in such matters :)
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Hi, I just saw the photo on your thread of my grandfather, Duncan Hearsey. I visited Yercaud in 99, but didn't find any remaining relatives, or the house, Fairlawns, which my grandad used to talk about. He loved telling me stories about India. I think part of him never left.
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Mariede thanks for your message, can't reply on here.email address removed I know my mum, Eve would love to get in touch, too.
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Hi Roma,
Welcome to RootsChat :) Now that you have made 2 posts you will be able to reply to your Private Message (PM)
Regards
Sarah :)
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Hi Roma, thanks for reply - your email address was removed so don't know how to send you mine - shall find out and send it when I can -
from Mariede
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Hi Mariede,
Here is a link which shows you how to send a PM (private message)
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
Scroll down to how to send a PM :)
Regards
Sarah
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Hello! My wife has a remote connection to the Salmons/Hearseys through the marriage of George Paris Salmon's daughter Ann Salmon in Perth Scotland to a cousin Charles Henry Ziegler.
Reading this fascinating thread, I noticed early on that the unfortunate girl was Marian as opposed to her mother being Marion. Could the Marianne Salmon, born in Aylsham, Norfolk in 1803 be the same? Any Salmons in Norfolk?
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Welcome to the thread 'Woodchurch'
I have been trying to piece the parts I know about the Hearsey/Bradshawe families (and other associated families) together for a number of years now but still have many loose ends and any leads are always worth following up.
My own family tree has moved slightly sideways so I have had quite a lot of 'Salmon' information passed to me by other kind researchers but I cannot answer this one, perhaps someone out there can?
Crystal :D
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Hi my late grandparents were Ethel Mary & William Wran Hearsey originally from UK, they settled in New Zealand, my late father Neville Alan Hearsey often told me about relatives that went to India so in some way I think my grandfather William Wran Hearsey could of been a brother of one of these men or related in some way. Do any of you have these names on your family tree? My great grandparents were John Ralph Hearsey and his wife was Sarah Wran they married in 1876. thanks Nevina Knight (nee Hearsey) New Zealand
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Hi Nevina
I have not personally come across these names in my family tree but others reading this thread may have, so well worth asking.
It does sound as if there could be a link somewhere, the Hearseys had large families and there is very likely a sideways link through a brother somewhere.
There is a William Moorcroft Hearsey born about 1818
Named in honour of William Moorcroft who accompanied Hyder Young Hearsey to Lake Mansarowar in 1812
He entered King of Oudh's service in 1836 and was constantly employed in field service against various Raja's and Zemindars who declined to pay their contributions to the Lucknow treasury.
He became Captain and served as intelligence officer to Sir James Outram.
In a state intellegence bulletin we know that in November 1858 he was in a bad state of health, in great pain and unable to mount his horse.
Resided in Oudh - ref "The Times" Tuesday Jan 08 1867 page 1 Issue 25702 col A.
He was a son of Hyder Young Hearsey and Khanum Zuher-ul Hearsey and may have married/partnered a woman called Mohun
The William above may have had a son William Arthur Hearsey Birth 9 October 1884
Christening 23 February 1891 Barielly, West Bengal, India
ref - IGI Extracted parish record batch no C750358
But I cannot find conclusive evidence that I am linking him to the right father.
I am not sure if any of this helps?
Good luck
Crystal :D
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Hi my name was Penelope Hearsey before I was married my father was called Lionel Doughlas Hearsey as was his his father who was a Bengal Lancer in Bengal . Mt Dad lived out there with his too brother John Hearsey and Richard, but came back to England for schooling . My Grandmother came back to Sussex but my Grandfather stayed out in India . They had a house in Haripor and land , they divorced as he had an affair with my Dads youngest brother's Iierh not sure how to spelt it but his nanny . My dad told me he had the picture of General Sir John Hearsey in their home in Sussex ,I went to see it with him in the British Museum, in London and various swords and documents . I have often wondered what happened to my Grandfather as his was not spoken about , due to the shame :) Sadly my Dad passed away 2013 at 93 , but I know so much about his life and my Grandmother Dorothy . We have Indian blood as 4 Generations back a Hearsey married an Indian Princess. This news shocked my father but I knew by my coloring dark small build this could be right . All my family were in the Army and went to the same Boys boarding school . I have the book of the four Generation of the Hearsey's I have invites to Christmas diner at the palace of Bengal and who was invited and what the day events was for the day . Shooting from a Rolls Royce . When I can afford to investigate more I will find out what happened to Lionel Doughlas Hearsey in India . He did have two other brothers , who were out in India and in the Army .my Dads brother have the Theophiolas as his second name ,a family name .They had two Houses up in the high ground and lower in the summer , The family had an Elephant who was frightend of dead birds ,i have photos out in India and on Horse back .
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Hi Penelope
Welcome and how interesting to hear from you.
In my tree I have a Lionel Douglas Hearsey who was the grandson of Hyder Young Hearsey and Princess Khanum Zuher-ul Nissa his details are below, would this be your grandfather or looking at the dates perhaps there was another generation in between?
Birth ref - 20 February 1847
He Married his cousin Amelia Charlotte Hearsey (my 1st cousin 5x removed) on 27 Dec 1866 British Legation Florence Italy, Lionel was a far famed Shikari (hunter) whose knowledge of the craft of the jungle was of the highest order (grandson and representative of Hyder Young Hearsey) he lived at Lakhimpor Nr. Kheri in Oudh.
marriage ref - "The Times" Tuesday 08 Jan 1867 pg 1 Issue 25702 col A (Eldest son of William Moorcroft Hearsey)
1905 ref - "The Hearseys Five Generations" he owned the estates of his father Major Hyder Hearsey at this time.
Lionel and Amelia had 7 children to my knowledge, I would love to know if there were more? they were:
Amy Harriet Helen Hearsey born 1869
Minnie Hearsey 1873
Ethel Maurice Hearsey 1874
John Bennett Hearsey 1876
Clara Georgina Hearsey 1881
Leonora Matilda Hearsey 1882
George Arthur Canning Hearsey 1884
I would be very interested in any other information you may have it sounds fascinating!
Crystal :D
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Hi, my name is Don Dunbar and I'd like to jump into this discussion having just finished reading through (most) of this thread. General William Broome Salmon and Marion Hearsey are my great(x3) grandparents. My great(x2) grandparents are Lieut.-General William Broome Salmon and Sarah Welsh. My great grandparents are Alexander MacDonald Salmon and Emily Dyson. Finally, my grandparents are Clyde Dunbar and Marjorie Beatrice Salmon. I have only recently discovered the Hearsey side to my family - primarily through Pearse's book and resources like this forum. I would be happy to provide any information that might be of interest to this group and hope to find out more about this fascinating side to my family.
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Hi Don,
Welcome to the thread and many thanks for introducing yourself.
For my own records it would be nice to know if you have the following information:
1. Looking at my notes for General William Broome Salmon (your great (x3) grandparent) I have no record of his death other than he retired to England.
2. The daughter of General William Broome Salmon and Marion Hearsey (your great (x3) grandparents) died tragically in 1827 - I do not have and cannot find a date of birth for her?
3. I believe Marion Hearsey (your great (x3) grandparent) was the child of Andrew Willson Hearsey and Charlotte Crane. It would appear that Andrew Willson Hearsey had a child by a Jat lady in 1782 five years before he married Charlotte this child was Hyder (Jung) Young Hearsey but I have never been able to find a name for the mother?
4. Lieut.-General William Broome Salmon and Sarah Welsh (your great(x2) grandparents) I believe from my notes had one child Mourdant Broome Salmon but I also have a note that Lieut.-General William Broome Salmon had 18 children one of them obviosly Alexander MacDonald Salmon.
Do you know the others? and were they all born to Sarah Walsh?
5. Other than her name I have no details whatsoever of Sarah Walsh, do you know anymore?
Although 'my' side of the tree follows the Hearsey/Bradshawe line it is interesting to 'put meat on the bones' so to speak.
If I can help you in any way please let me know.
I will look forward to hearing form you as I am sure followers of this thread will do also.
Regards
Crystal :D
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There is a PCC Will for Lt Col William Broome Salmon, signed in June 1842, proved in January 1844. Wife Marian, brother Harry.
There's a Bank Of England extract that records the date of death as on or about 5 February 1843
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:D many thanks for taking the trouble to look Shaun, I will fokkow that up.
I must say it's a while since I was 'doing' that side of the tree so I have not looked recently.
Crystal :D
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Hearsey/Salmon Discussion
Here, where I am able, are my responses to your questions:
For my own records it would be nice to know if you have the following information:
1. Looking at my notes for General William Broome Salmon (your great (x3) grandparent) I have no record of his death other than he retired to England.
Here is what I have:
Death: Smalbro, Norfolk, Eng
Burial: Feb 5 1843 - Norfolk, England
GS Film Number: 1526653
Digital Folder Number: 004143474
Image Number: 754
2. The daughter of General William Broome Salmon and Marion Hearsey (your great (x3) grandparents) died tragically in 1827 - I do not have and cannot find a date of birth for her?
I have 4 daughters and 4 sons listed for this couple. Do you know which daughter? Also, is it Marion or Marian? I have been using the latter.
3. I believe Marion Hearsey (your great (x3) grandparent) was the child of Andrew Willson Hearsey and Charlotte Crane. It would appear that Andrew Willson Hearsey had a child by a Jat lady in 1782 five years before he married Charlotte this child was Hyder (Jung) Young Hearsey but I have never been able to find a name for the mother?
I have relied on this thread and the Pearse book for most of my information on Hyder, so unfortunately I am unable to shed any light on this mystery.
4. Lieut.-General William Broome Salmon and Sarah Welsh (your great(x2) grandparents) I believe from my notes had one child Mourdant Broome Salmon but I also have a note that Lieut.-General William Broome Salmon had 18 children one of them obviosly Alexander MacDonald Salmon.
Do you know the others? and were they all born to Sarah Walsh?
Here are the names & dates of 15 offspring of William & Sarah that I have discovered:
Marian (b: 30 May 1838 Poona, India; d: 7 Oct 1841)
Bellina Sophia (b: 24 Dec 1840 Deesa, Maharashira, India; d: 1928)
Maria (b: 2 Feb 1842 Deesa, Bombay, India: d: 11 Oct 1842)
Emma (b:9 Mar 1843 Benares, India; d: 12 Oct 1930)
Sara Rose (b: 6 Apr 1843, At Sea; d: 22 Jun 1911)
Emily "Matilda" (b: abt 1846 India)
William Harry (b: 2 Feb 1848 Bombay, India; d: 6 Apr 1939)
(Unknown) (b: 25 Sep 1849 Bombay, India)
Alexander MacDonald (b: 30 Oct 1850 Neilgherries, India; d: 1914)
Arthur Welsh (b:2 Apr 1852 Bombay, India)
Mordaunt Broome (b: 17 Oct 1853 Bombay India)
Mary Eliza (b: 3 Sep 1855 Bombay, India)
Elizabeth (b: 16 Oct 1856 Kurrachee, India; d: 17 Dec 1856)
Charlotte Evangeline (b 10 Mar 1859 Bombay, India; d: 21 Apr 1861)
Agnes (b: 20 Jul 1860 Coonoor, Tamil Nadu, India;)
5. Other than her name I have no details whatsoever of Sarah Walsh, do you know anymore?
Sarah Welsh (b: Jan 8 1817; d: Jan 27 1900) was the daughter of James Welsh (1775-1861) and Sarah Light (1779-1839). Sarah Light was the daughter of Captain Francis Light (1740-1794) and Martinha Rozalles (1762-1822). Francis Light was the founder & Governor of Penang. He also had a son, brother to Sarah, named William Light (1786-1839) who founded and designed Adelaide Australia. There is much to be found on the internet about William and Francis Light. I believe the National Portrait Gallery in London has a painting of William Light, although not on display.
I hope this information is useful. I had problems with the size of attachments to this post and so will provide some images and photos shortly.
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Although 'my' side of the tree follows the Hearsey/Bradshawe line it is interesting to 'put meat on the bones' so to speak.
If I can help you in any way please let me know.
I will look forward to hearing form you as I am sure followers of this thread will do also.
Regards
Crystal :D
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Death: Smalbro, Norfolk, Eng
Burial: Feb 5 1843 - Norfolk, England
I don't think that's the right death. There was only one William Salmon death in that RD (Tunstead) in that quarter. Per the burial register (Parish of Smallbro, in the Workhouse) that William Salmon was aged 83 and was a resident of the Smallbro' workhouse.
The death duty register for 1844 records that William Broome Salmon was a resident of Bengal, India.
The 1842 will gives his address as Titchfield Terrace, Regents Park
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On checking I see that you are correct. Wrong William Salmon.
Death: Smalbro, Norfolk, Eng
Burial: Feb 5 1843 - Norfolk, England
I don't think that's the right death. There was only one William Salmon death in that RD (Tunstead) in that quarter. Per the burial register (Parish of Smallbro, in the Workhouse) that William Salmon was aged 83 and was a resident of the Smallbro' workhouse.
The death duty register for 1844 records that William Broome Salmon was a resident of Bengal, India.
The 1842 will gives his address as Titchfield Terrace, Regents Park
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Thank you both once again,
I also think you are right about the death Shaun!
Don, to answer your question 2 Sorry yes it is Marian not Marion, I believe
as for their children I only have the boys - William Broome Salmon b.1809, George Paris Salmon b.1813, Harry Hearsey b.1821 and Mordaunt Money b.1823 the only girl I have listed is Marian who drowned in 1827 (no date of birth) Can I ask you for the other daughters names and DOB?
thanks also for the 15 out of 18 offspring in question 4, great I shall check them out and let you know in due course if I happen to turn up any more! ::)
Great infornation about Sarah Walsh so thank you again!
Crystal :D
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Hi Crystal
I can add two more daughters of Gen William Broome Salmon and Marian (nee Hearsey):
- Emma Amelia Salmon b 10 Mar 1818 East Indies: d 16 Dec 1906 Paddington London. Married John Reynolds Gwatkin on 27 Feb 1841 at Kurnaul, Bengal, India. I have five children of the marriage thugh there may have been more.
- Charlotte Maria Salmon b 10 Feb 1816 Chertsey, Surrey d 18 Feb 1896 Brighton Sussex. Married (1) in 1835 Frederick White Burkinyoung. Five children of whom who died in infancy (2) In 1843 Arthur Samuel Mills. Two sons of the marriage - William Salmon Mills and Arthur McLeod Mills.
Charlotte is my husband's gg grandmother.
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Hi Rosie,
Nice to hear from you and thank you for those two, I will add them to my 'to do' list which has grown a bit longer today!
I can see I will have to get back to that side of the tree.
Kind Regards
Crystal :D
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Hi Crystal
I'm afraid I have only the following partial information on the daughters of William Salmon and Marian Hearsey. Also, I was incorrect in my count - I have info on 3 daughters and not 4 (I had originally included a daughter-in-law)
Marion Salmon (b: 1811 India)
Charlotte Maria Salmon (b: Feb 10 1816 Chertsey, Surrey UK)
Emma Amelia Salmon (b: 1818? India)
And yes, I have the daughter as "Marion" and not "Marian." I don't know which is correct although Marian seems more likely, I suppose.
The photo is of my great-grandfather Alexander MacDonald Salmon taken in India in the late 1800s I believe
Don
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Hi Don,
Thank you so much for posting that great picture of your Great Grandfather and the polo pony its wonderful to see these old pictures isn't it?
Its amazing that so many old photographs still exist, I am so sad that I do not know what happened to those that I remember from my childhood that were in the family album.
The daughters you mention would seem to be the same as Rosie posted below so I am sure they are correct, perhaps there were only 3 Girls which is more than I had listed!
Hi Crystal
I can add two more daughters of Gen William Broome Salmon and Marian (nee Hearsey):
- Emma Amelia Salmon b 10 Mar 1818 East Indies: d 16 Dec 1906 Paddington London. Married John Reynolds Gwatkin on 27 Feb 1841 at Kurnaul, Bengal, India. I have five children of the marriage thugh there may have been more.
- Charlotte Maria Salmon b 10 Feb 1816 Chertsey, Surrey d 18 Feb 1896 Brighton Sussex. Married (1) in 1835 Frederick White Burkinyoung. Five children of whom who died in infancy (2) In 1843 Arthur Samuel Mills. Two sons of the marriage - William Salmon Mills and Arthur McLeod Mills.
Charlotte is my husband's gg grandmother.
Crystal :D
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Hello, this is my first post. I was looking for information on my husband's family and found this most wonderful conversation with photographs of my husband's grandmother Ruby Harriet Hearsey and her family. My mother-in-law says that the parents in the photograph are her grandparents Neville (possibly Theophilus) Hearsey and Evelyn Anderson . Evelyn was red-haired and from Scotland . Ruby's daughter, my mother-in-law Patricia, is still alive and living in California. She was born and raised in India with two younger sisters and one younger brother. She married Norman Charles Jefferys of Taunton Massachusetts when he was stationed abroad . My husband was born in 1946 in Madras India and has 2 younger sisters. They lived in India and Sri Lanka until around 1963 when they moved to Pelham New York. I have heard the stories from the family of the Indian blood. And was fascinated to find more information here. Patricia is now 95 years old and still exceptionally brilliant. She has many stories to tell about the family, and has some history as well. I will try to introduce her to this forum, though her relationship with technology is an uneasy one . Please feel free to ask me any questions that I might ask of her in aid of more recent Hearsey family information. I took the liberty of downloading the photographs of Ruby and sending them to her this evening. She was delighted! There are some very interesting and amazing stories about Ruby that Patricia, being a writer, has memorialized. This is all very exciting! :-)
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Hi, I just saw the photo on your thread of my grandfather, Duncan Hearsey. I visited Yercaud in 99, but didn't find any remaining relatives, or the house, Fairlawns, which my grandad used to talk about. He loved telling me stories about India. I think part of him never left.
Pleased to read this. My in laws the Short family had coffee plantations in Yercaud. Lived in Hope villa
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Hello Mhindee, I haven't posted anything for a few years and just saw your message to crystal light. reading your message, I realised that your mother-in-law Patricia would be my cousin as her mother Ruby and my father Stuart Hearsey were brother and sister. trying to work out that Aunty Ruby was about 22 when she had Patricia and your husband must be a second cousin. I have reconnected with quite a few cousins and such a shame that we didn't know about any of Aunty Ruby's children. I am in Australia and visit cousins from England, Aunty Eillien's children whom Patricia would remember and Uncle Duncan's children who Patricia would also know. We have family all around the world which is fantastic. I am a daughter of Stuart Hearsey ( I am now 67 ) Aunty Ruby's brother, who died in 1979. We did know Aunty Ruby but very distant memories, I was born in India with a sister and brother and went, with all the rest of our aunties and uncles to England but only have distant memories of most of them. so sad that we probably will never get to meet this cousin Patricia but shall tell all the other cousins in the UK about her and maybe we can write to her. if you want any other information, I shall send it to you via an email. I can tell you about some of us but am advising that you are cautious about contacting the provider of the photos that you saw earlier on.
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I received this yesterday from Joshua Mathew (Josh Historian on this thread) from India with whom I have been in contact for several years now. I thought it may be of interest to those with Hearsey and Anderson roots. The book he has written is the extraordinary story of Donald Anderson, son of author Kenneth Anderson and there are certain links to the Hearsey family.
My book 'The Last White Hunter' is now available in the UK (both print and electronic versions).
https://www.amazon.co.uk/LAST-WHITE-HUNTER-Reminiscences-colonial/dp/9385509128/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1527741534&sr=8-1&keywords=the+last+white+hunter
It will shortly appear in the magazine 'Who Do You Think You Are', and also in the FIBIS and BACSA newsletters.
But I'm counting on a few ideas from my Hearsey genealogy friend to spread the word in the UK (or anywhere outside India)
The Hearsey's have a small mention in my book (thanks to you) so one idea would definitely to include this on the RootsChat thread where we met each other. I've written to lostcousins.com, and I hope they will mention my book.
Any other ideas ? I would be most thankful.
Crystal :D
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Hello Crystal, I am looking for the Parents of Sarah Ann Hearsey/Hersey, she is my Grandmother who Married a Military man, my Grandfather P. D'Sylva in, I think, Bangalore, in 1894? they had eight children, four survived them. I have my DNA results and I am closely matched with the Hearsey Family who went to Mass., America, from England, I have sent a message and had a reply with a positive action to search and give me more information. My Grandmother had a brother who visited her in Bangalore around 1933,my eldest sister remembers the visit and being introduced to uncle Charlie?
My Grandmother Sarah Ann was born in 1872/73, she died in 1941 in Bangalore, India, my mother, who was the 7th child was born in an Army tent in Bellary, India in 1904. I would be so grateful for any information you could give me to enlighten me who Sarah Ann’s Parents were and which line of the Hearsey Family in India she belongs to. Thank you. Lightheart(username)
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Hello Lightfoot and welcome to the thread,
There is a lot of Hearsey information here on this thread if you read through, I have looked at my offline tree and can only come up with one Sarah who was the daughter of Andrew Hearsey (Bengal Army) the Captain of an East Indiaman and the brother of Theophilus, an influential London Merchant, died in 1778 leaving one daughter and one son, Andrew Wilson Hearsey who had obtained a cadetship on the Bengal establishment in 1765.
Andrew's wife was Jane nee Cole but their daughter Sarah was born in England - Christening 17 November 1757 at St Botolph by Billingsgate so I imagine no match to yours. It would seem that most of 'my' Hearseys later settled back or had connections in England.
So many of the Hearseys were in India at that time I think very hard to trace without more information.
I hope that someone reading this may be able to help you, good luck with your search.
Crystal :)
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Hello Crystal i have just read a post by John Hersey, it is interesting that he spells his surname the same way as my Grandmother Sarah Ann, as you know I have done my DNA and am linked with the Hearsey Family, but I am female not male. I would be willing to make contact with John Hersey especially as I am a descendent of the Anglo Indian Hersey Family and was born in India. I have been searching for a few years without finding much but since I have done my DNA, I am finding more. Hope it will be possible to link up with John Hersey.
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Hi Lightheart,
I hope that your search for John Hersey will be successful. The DNA results must also help with your search.
Good Luck
:) Crystal
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May I introduce myself? I m the great-great-granddaughter of Lt.-Gen. William Broome Salmon and Sarah Salmon (born Welsh); their seventh child, Alexander MacDonald Salmon, was my great-grandfather.
I am always awed by the magic of the computer and the internet to connect far-flung descendants! I am a Canadian: Alexander's youngest daughter Marjorie was my paternal grandmother.
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Hello,
I am a descendant of the Hearsey line and want to find out as much as possible about it as i can as far back as I can go. The most i can go back with dates is Andrew Hearsey Died 1752. And i can trace back to Theophilos that is thought to have fought at colloden. But after my Grandfather when there and found no record there is no proof but the book. I sadly beleave that John Hearsey Died a few years back.
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I believe we may be related!
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hello to all ,
I am not directly related to the hearsey family , it has been really interesting reading everyone's posts , my great grandmothers sister married into the hearsey family and i have been researching her dependents as i have a few photos etc
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Hello Lightheart,
You wrote: "Andrew Wilson Hearsey who had obtained a cadetship on the Bengal establishment in 1765."
Would man be related to Andrew Wilson Hearsey, born 20 Jul 1838 at Carshalton, Surrey, England? Who went on to become Major General Sir Andrew? I have him with a wife Harriet Eliza, and 12 children, including one named Theophilus Neville Hearsey born 1867.
In the tree I have compiled, Andrew's grandfather was Lieutenant General, Sir John Bennet Hearsey, born 21 Sep 1793 at Midnapore, Bengal, died 24 Oct 1865 at Boulogne, Hauts-de-Seine.
Andrew William HEARSEY is grandfather of Joseph Richard Hearsey (1906 - ), husband of Muriel Alice Millicent CASSELL (b1911 - ) who is daughter of George CASSELL (1874-1948).
Many thanks
David
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Hello Ratty,
There seems to be a slight mix up here between Andrew Wilson Hearsey. I have him as Born 1752 • St. Botolph by Billingsgate, London England married to Charlotte Crane. His son was Lt Gen Sir John Bennett Born 21 Sept 1793 • Dinapore, Bihar, India died as stated
and Andrew William Hearsey who was the son of Sir John Bennett above Birth 20 Jul 1838 • Bareilly, Uttar Pradesh, India He Married Harriett Eliza Hearsey one son as you state was Theophilus Neville Hearsey as you state. I only have knowledge of 10 children and will be looking to see if I can find the other two!
I have no knowledge of Joseph Richard Hearsey I will be trying to see how he fits in
Crystal :)
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Thanks Christal
I think "Andrew Wilson Hearsey. I have him as Born 1752" is correct, but perhaps Baptized at St. Botolph by Billingsgate, London? Maybe even on the same day - as was sometimes common, given threats of diseases at the time.
I got confused between Andrew Wilson and Andrew Williams, but have sorted them out thanks for your help.
Joseph Richard Hearsey, son of Charles Henry and Ida Mary Ellen Pyne, b29 Aug 1877 at Mussoorie d11 Nov 1922 at Rangoon.
Cheers
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:) Thanks for that Ratty!
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Do you have this image of Charles Henry Hearsey, 1877-1945? Undated, unknown location and now I can't find the source.
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:D No I have not seen this image, so thank you for that.
I have not recorded anyone beyond the offspring of Andrew William Hearsey and therefore have no record of Joseph Richard Hearsey's parents.
My own line progresses down through John Bennett Hearsey's sister, Charlotte Maria Hearsey who married Paris Bradshawe.
But it will be useful to anyone else reading the thread who may well belong to that line of the Hearsey's
:) Crystal