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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: mayday on Monday 09 February 09 13:24 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Does anyone know where abouts in Kent Dough Smith (jockey) was born. He also had a brother who was a jockey called Eph Smith 1915-1972. Have had a look on free bmd but birth could be one of many. I am interested where he came from and his address in 1930s and 1940s if anyone out there knows. I know he is related somehow and need to trace back to find connection. Any help much appreciated!
Kind Regards
Jacquie :-\
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Hi Jacquie
There is an autobiography: "Five Times Champion - the Autobiography of Doug Smith" by Peter Willett and Doug Smith (1986)
It's probably out of print but your local library may have it, and there's one for sale on a shopping website
Barbara :)
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There is an obituary in "The Times" 14 Aug 1972 - to summarise:
Eric Eph SMITH - his father was a point to point rider who farmed at Shottesbrooke near Maidenhead (Berkshire). Eric had two brothers, Charles & Douglas who were all born there.
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com - possibly Eric E SMITH birth registered June quarter 1915 Maidenhead registration district mother's maiden name ROWLES. Douglas is there 1918 with mother's maiden name as ROWLS.
Casalguidi :)
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Hi
Thankyou very much for all your help,to both of your messages. The story goes that they are distant relatives on my grans side. At least I can now look back. I did actually manage to obtain the book 'Five Times Champion'. I think my mums eyesight is failing as she couldnt read the area where Doug Smith was born!
Thankyou once again.
Kind Regards
Jacquie :)
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Hi Jacquie,
I stumbled across this forum and yes i know you wrote it about 2 years ago.
However i may be able to help you. Eph and Doug Smith were my Great Uncles. Charlie was my Grandfather.
If you want to get in touch then please email me on here.
Hope to speak to you soon.
Thanks
Mark
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Re doug smith. My mother was his cousin and a very close friend.she stayed often at his parents farm and took me many years later to visit his mum and brother Charlie.i met terry who was Charlie's son and would very much like to hear from any other relatives. Iris.
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Hi Iris,
Welcome to RootsChat and thanks for your postcard, will check to see that Jacqui and Marks email notifications are working ok.
Regards
Sarah :)
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Hi Iris
Sorry havent replied earlier. My mother was told there was a connection with Doug and Eph Smith,the jockeys with I think 'Smiths' on mums side in Worcestershire/Shropshire area. Here is my email address email address removed by moderator please use private message system . I have a lot of information on mums side of family and perhaps can exchange and hopefully find a common link as have yet not found this. Hope Mark also gets back in touch.
Kind Regards
Jacquie
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Hi Jacqueline. I'm sorry I am still struggling to get to know how this all works. I would really like to hear more from you but as your email address was deleted I cannot get in touch with you using that. Maybe you know more of Doug and Eph smiths children. I know Eph had a son called Robin who was studying in edinburgh to become a vet. He stayed sometimes at my grans here in Fife. Please reply if you get this. Kind regards Iris.
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Hi Jacquie and Iris,
You can exchange private messages with one another by clicking on the right hand button underneath the profile name. It is the one with a symbol of a piece of paper on it.
Regards
Sarah :)
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Hi Jacqui, sorry I have not emailed you back. Your address was removed from your posting to me.i would love to hear more from you again. I am thinking about getting in touch with pondwood farm in white Waltham to see if I can gather any more information.
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Hi. I have also stumbled across this page. Eph and Doug Smith were my grandads cousins. His name was Basil Smith. My Mum remembers them both and I'm really interested in finding any other distant relatives out there. That is if anyone is still looks on this thread :)
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Hello Iris. I stumbled across this page whilst looking at family history. My Grandad was Eph and Doug Smiths cousin. His name was Basil Smith. He grew up with them and spent a lot of time at the farm with them. Im interested in any family history and distant relatives. My mum knows bit more than me about them all. Hope this message finds you :)
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Are you still looking into the Smith family from Maidenhead?
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Hi, researching family connections and would be grateful to be able to get in touch with Mark Terry’s son, I think his email on here is not working. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance Karen
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Eric Eph SMITH - his father was a point to point rider who farmed at Shottesbrooke near Maidenhead (Berkshire). Eric had two brothers, Charles & Douglas who were all born there
Eph Smith was the elder brother of Doug Smith he died in 1972 and the inquest verdict was misadventure.
The best horse he rode was Blue Peter who in 1939 won the 2000 Guineas,the Derby and the Eclipse stakes,he also rode the controversial Premonition to win the St Leger.
Cathal Finnegan was apprenticed to Vincent O`Brien until 1953 he then became a jump jockey winning the Irish Grand National in 1970 on Garoupe,he sadly drowned in the river Boyne in 1978.
Smith won the British Flat apprentice championship 3 years in a row. The only man to do that. Only one other jockey has won it 3 times - and I've never heard of him - his winning totals are small - it was during WW2. Eph's totals were decent.
Eph was short for Ephraim I think.
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Hi Karen,
Marks emails look they are working at the moment :)
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Sarah,
I am trying to mail Mark but seem to be struggling to do this 🙄 can you advise? It’s probably really straight forward !
Many thanks
Karen
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Hello.
I wonder if anyone could help me identify this photo I have found. I am sure it is one of the Smith brothers who were jockeys because my husband's uncle Ronald Cyril Smith, a farmer in Maidenhead, was related to them.
Thank you.
Marie