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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: A and E on Monday 09 February 09 15:36 GMT (UK)
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William George Henry Wright was a passenger to the Port of Sault Ste Marie, Michigan on the 24 Apr 1913 at the age of 16.
Thank you to the person who found this information and sent it to a friend of mine.
I am wondering if he was travelling alone? Also what year did he go to Canada.
At the age of 3yrs he lived in Middlesbrough with his Stepfather and his Mother, Albert E Robinson and Mary, Elizabeth Robinson. I have been unable to find the parents after 1903.
William returned to England in 1916/17. Details on his War records as to him having lived in Toronto, Canada. But after the WW1 ended in 1918, I can find no further trace. Did he return to Canada.
Can anyone help with this search. I have been looking for the last 7yrs.
and I would be very grateful as to where to look next.
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In Ancestry there is a border crossing listed for William G H Wright from Canada to USA.
I do not have the subscription to check this further.
I am sure someone will be kind enough to check for you.
Kaycee.
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Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan, April 1913
Wright, William G. H., 16, single, no occupation, nationality English, race English,
nearest relative in Canada his aunt, Mrs. Emily Eagan, 25 [could be 23 or 28] Monterey?, Toronto, Ontario.
It looks like he was travelling alone. His final destination was Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan. Last permanent residence, Toronto.
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There are two other border crossings that may relate to William G. H. Wright.
William George Wright, age 15, 27 Dec. 1912 at Buffalo, NY
William George Wright, age 15, candy maker, 24, Jan. 1913 at Niagara Falls, NY
The first is very difficult to read but I can see the words Middleboro, England.
The second mentions an aunt in Toronto, Jennie Kay, 19 Linton St., Hamilton, Ontario
If you think this is the right individual, I’ll try to make out the details.
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I have found a WW1 British military record for a William George Henry Wright on Ancestry. The record indicates he was married . If you would like this file you can PM me and I will forward it on to you. It is fairly long.If this is your ancestor you may find something in it to help with your search.
Lilybell
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A and E, I'm a little confused about ages and relationships with this family. I am looking at the file Lilybell mentioned that is at Ancestry. You refer to his military file mentioning Toronto as this one does so it seems to be the same one. In the file it indicates he was born about 1892 while the border crossings that have been mentioned would give a date of birth of about 1897. Did he lie about his age? Also the military file has a place where it says his next of kin is Mrs. R. Wright but next to it, crossed out, his mother's name is said to be Lily Pearce(?), not Mary Elizabeth Wright Robinson (see attached image). Who was this Lily? Am I looking at the wrong file?
If you can clear up his age at least then it will be easier to track him down on passenger lists.
Jacquie
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Yesterday was the first time I have been onto RootsChat. I am so pleased with the replies.
Kaycee. Thank you. I hope to be able to join Accestry in the near future.
Erato. Thank you. This looks certain to be my W.G.H.Wright. He was born in Loftus, Middlesbrough in 1997. I know his Mother`s parents went to Toronto sometime in the early 1900`s. This was a Benjamin and Elizabeth Lowery. I can find no relative as of yet with the name Jennie Kay, from the list I have of the Lowery family.
Lilybell. Thank you for the offer. I have a copy of the War records. This is how my search turned to Canada with William saying he was in Toronto.
Jacquie. Also thank you. I will explain a little more about my seach for William and why the record is so confusing. I did not know what I could write on RootsChat. So here is what I have found.
William G.H Wright came back to England and joined the Army in 1915. He married in Retford,Nottingham in 1916. On the marriage certificate he gave his age as 21yrs. When in fact he was only 18. His wife was 27yrs and she already had two sons. He went to War and was discharged due to Shell Shock, Gassed and very poor eye sight. On his return home in went up to Middlesbrough to find work. He met another woman and married her. His legal wife went looking for him and he was arrested and sent to prison for 9months. All this information obtained from the local press. Head line, :Guilty of Bigamy at 20: Assises records at Kew,London missing for 1918. So I have found no further trace of him after 1918.
I have contacted relatives of his legal wife but they don`t know anything about him. His wife remarried in 1925. No trace of a death and no mention of him on his wife`s remarriage certificate.
As a result of the bigamist marriage my Mother was born. She was given away on the understanding that if her family wanted her back the family would have to pay 10s.6d [52p in new currancey] for every week they had kept her. She was given a new name and she died in 1973 never knowing her birth name or the reason she was given away. No legal adoption in those days.
In the paper William said his parents had died. This must include his Step Father and his Mother.
William George Henry was born on 24.10.1897 Loftus in the district of Guisborough [near Middlesbrough] Yorkshire, England.
Thank you all very much. Aand E.
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Hi, Erato,
I have just found the Emily Eagan on a picture sent by a desendent of the Lowery Family who had never heared of William G.H. Wright. So this proves you have found the right person. All I have on Emily Eagan is Emily Daughter of Benjamin and Elizabeth Graham Lowery b 8.Feb.1888.Died 12.Dec 1967 Cobourg Northumberland Co, Ontario. Married a David Eagan b.1871 d.1928.
No further details known.
Just double checked. I have found a sister of Emily called Jane and in small writing the name Jinnie different spelling but this must be the same Aunt. b.1880 in Whitby, Yorkshire. Married Benjamin Kay in 1900 Middlesbrough, Yorks. Also may have married an unknown Page and was living in Hamilton,Ont.
The above information I received a few years ago from another research I did on William`s Mother.
Thank you once again.
Aand E.
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Jacquie,
Sorry I forgot to say I also saw the name Lily Pearce. I can find no one by this name so as it is crossed out it must have been a mistake on the record.
Thanks once again. AandE
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Sorry I forgot to say I also saw the name Lily Pearce. I can find no one by this name so as it is crossed out it must have been a mistake on the record.
The name being crossed out could mean that there was a change in next of kin because he got married after the form had originally be filled out.
Do you have an age and occupation for Albert Robinson and age for Mary Elizabeth? I saw a possible passenger list entry for them but the couple in the entry may be too young to be yours.
Jacquie
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This the best I can make out the Dec 1912 border crossing, Buffalo, NY:
623 December 27 1912 B51 “D”
Wright, William George
Middleboro, England, 15, candy maker
English. England, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Aunt Mrs. [looks like ?nne] Kay, Lincoln? St., Hamilton, Ont.
Ever in US? No self [probably who paid passage]
Buffalo, NY, father, John? Wright? No address [looks like “going to see father??]
Money $2.50
Height 5’2”, complexion medium, hair light, eyes blue
Seaport and date of landing and name of steamship Quebec 02 Oct 1911, SS Victorian
Debarred
On the back of the card it says, “Rejected Under 16 years. L.P.C.”
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24 Jan. 1913, Niagara Falls, NY
Wright, William George, 15, male, candy maker, can read and write, nationality England, race English, last permanent residence Hamilton, Ontario, Name and address nearest relative in country from which he came aunt, Jennie Kay, 19 Linton? St., Hamilton, Ont., final destination NY, Buffalo
The word “Debarred” is stamped next to his name
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Could this be the father that William Wright was trying to see in Buffalo?
1910 Census
Buffalo, NY, John Wright, b. abt. 1852 in England. But he supposedly immigrated to the US in 1874 and has been married 38 years and has 4 children also a cousin living with him [Walter Watts].
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Here is Emily's husband David Edgar ? attestation papers for WW1
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc003/301701a.gif
http://data2.archives.ca/cef/gpc003/301701b.gif
K
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Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan, April 1913
Wright, William G. H., 16, single, no occupation, nationality English, race English,
nearest relative in Canada his aunt, Mrs. Emily Eagan, 25 [could be 23 or 28] Monterey?, Toronto, Ontario.
It looks like he was travelling alone. His final destination was Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan. Last permanent residence, Toronto.
I like the note on his crossing...
Claims he fell asleep in box car and when he woke up he was on this side of the river
Karen
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Jacquie,
Can you beleive you may be right. I have just come across a Lillian Lowery b.1896 in Middlesbrough. This could be Lily? I will look into it further. But also found a death for a lillian in Middlesbrough 1902.
This is what I have so far in regards to Wm.Parents.
Albert Thomas Wright b.1871 married Mary Elizabeth Lowery b.1876 on 22.June 1895.
William born 1897.
1901 Census. Mary and son William are living with her parents Benjamin and Elizabeth Graham Lowery. Mary is a Widow. I have not been able to find a death for Albert, Thomas Wright.
1901 May 11. Mary Elizabeth married Albert Edward Robinson, Marine Engine Fitter aged 25. Mary was a Widow and Albert was a Bachelor.
KarenM,
Thanks for the attestation papers. Very interesting.
Also I love the note on the crossing. This was a real boy-o!
Erato,
As I have mentioned his biological Father was dead. The Wright name is so very common and it is only the factt hat William had three christian names that helps. I have found Albert Thomas Wright
his Father and his relatives in Tirley, Gloucestershire, England, on the 1881 census. But no one called John.
Thank you all once again. I have found out more information in the last 24hrs. than I have found in the last ten yrs. In all I have been seraching since 1973.
AandE
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There is an Ancestry tree that has William George Henry Wright. In brief, it says that he was born 24 Oct. 1897 in Loftus, Yorkshire, son of Albert Thomas Wright (1871-1901) and Mary Elizabeth Lowery (b. 1875). According to this tree, he married Annie May Price (1896-1972) on 25 May 1918 and had one daughter, Agnes (b. 1919). And that he died about 1918-19.
So maybe the story about a father named John Wright in Buffalo was just invented in an effort to accomplish the border crossing.
http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/person.aspx?pid=-1272727363&tid=5588786&ssrc=
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Do you have the marriages in Ontario for these 2 children ofBenjamin and Elizabeth's ?
Florence Louisa married Joseph Young October 28, 1911, Toronto
and
Albert Edward married Clara Colton Dec. 9, 1911, Toronto
Karen
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I see Elizabeth Graham Lowery died March 3, 1932 in Toronto, Ontario. She is buried at Prospect Cemetery. I wonder if there is an obituary for her and perhaps mentions William Wright as a surviving grandson ???
Do you have the death information? If not I will post the particulars.
Karen
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Hi, Erato,
I think I know which tree you are referring to. I sent details to a desendent of the Lowery family in Texas, must be five years ago or more. She was a teacher who was involved with helping her students trace their Family Tree`s.
A friend came up with her Webb site and grave me the email address. After contacting her on a couple of occasion`s she sent me the picture of Emily Lowery. But I never heared from her again. I did try several times to make contact.
Then someone on Genes Reunited UK who was in contact with me about the Lowery Family in Middlesbrough received information from Ancestry and contacted me. All the details were the things I had sent to Texas , but with a few mistakes. I had told this woman that I had found no trace of William G H Wright after 1918. This person seemed to have got a few things wrong. The person who contacted me was tracing the Lowery tree in Middlesbrough, Yorkshire.
I did email this person in Texas but I had no reply and no return of my email which leads me to beleive that it was received.
I might be wrong but I feel certain it is this same person. But she did say that she knew nothing about Mary Elizabeth Lowery/Wright/Robinson and she also had Mary`s Mothers name wrong. A lot of the dates are wrong and do not match the dates in England.
Thanks once again. Aand E
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Hi, Karen,
I have the date for Albert`s marriage to Colton. He is connected to the person in Texas.
I had not got Florence or any information about the death of Benjamin or Elizabeth Lowery. I would be very pleased for you to send them to me.
Thank you. AandE.
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Did William have a civilian occupation in England? I've been trying to spot him in the US but the name is so common and the fact that he sometimes lied about his age makes it worse. Any ideas on why he was so intent on getting to Buffalo?
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Hi, Erato,
No I have no idea about why he wanted to get to Buffalo.
I had no details of him after the 1901 census until his war records. Then his marriage to Ruth Tysoe and the Bigamist marriage to Annie, May Price in 1918. Then sent to prison 1918. Nothing after this. No trace. Also no trace of his Step father and Mother after their marriage in May 1901.
William`s War record led me to believe he was in Toronto at some time before the War. I then found his Grandparents had also gone to Toronto ? sometime after 1901.
So all that you have found is wonderful. It makes him come alive for me. :)I have traced my Father`s Family Tree back to 1100 as they stayed in the same area. But my Mother was a mystery. As I have said she died without ever knowing her birth name.
In my hunt for William I have tracked down relatives of his first wife. They knew nothing and the other lead was by way of the Lowery line [his Mother`s]. But no luck there.
I have had so much from you all on Rootschat and I am very, very grateful.
AandE.
Ps. I have only found one Lillian [Lily] Lowery and she died soon after birth.
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Found Benjamin and Elizabeth with 2 children on the 1911, was hoping William would be with them, but he's not
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=50814
Benjamin lists his year of immigration as 1910
Karen
Just realised David & Emily Edgar are in the same household ::)
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Hi, KarenM,
How great are you. So the Laurie/Lowery went to Canada in 1910. What a great find. Am I correct in that Florence is down as an Actress? I wonder what kind!!! Very hard to make out some of the words. I would love to read what all the legal stuff is at the top of the page and the meaning.
As William has been found wondering around at border points he must have arrived around the same time.
I can hadley believe the information I am receiving.
I did post a bit of a item about your Father`s name. But I don`t know if it was posted. So here goes again. Gandley is a well known name around Co, Mayo. There was a great Fiddle Player and there is a wall plaque in his name on a Wall near Arlow Abby ?spelling near Toorrean, Ballyhaunis, Co. Mayo, Ireland. The name Ganley/Gandley are connected . Wonderful spot.
Just a little information.
AandE.
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Hi, Erato,
Regards occupation for William. On his War records he is down as a Miner. On the first marriage certificate he is down as a Private in Army on his [Bigamist ] second marriage certificate he is down as a clark.
Aand E.
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Can anyone tell me the meaning of having four posts on the site before being able to use PM. Does it mean four differant subject posting`s or just four postings on the same inqulry.
Sorry for being so dumb. I will put it down to age!
Thanks,
AandE
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Can anyone tell me the meaning of having four posts on the site before being able to use PM. Does it mean four differant subject posting`s or just four postings on the same inqulry.
Sorry for being so dumb. I will put it down to age!
Thanks,
AandE
It means total posts made on the message board. As I type this you have 12 posts so you can use the PM system. The profile along the left-hand side of a person's posts indicates how many posts they have.
Jacquie
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Hi, Jacquie,
Thanks for your help. I am certainly showing my age. I need a new pair of glasses along with a new knee joint in the near future!
AandE
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I did post a bit of a item about your Father`s name. But I don`t know if it was posted. So here goes again. Gandley is a well known name around Co, Mayo. There was a great Fiddle Player and there is a wall plaque in his name on a Wall near Arlow Abby ?spelling near Toorrean, Ballyhaunis, Co. Mayo, Ireland. The name Ganley/Gandley are connected . Wonderful spot.
Just a little information.
AandE.
Thanks! My Gandley/Ganley seems to go back and forth between Roscommon and Mayo. I have been told that my gr gr gr grandfather played the harp, so some music talent in the family :) My gr grandfather was also a bigamist, that's his family in my avatar. He left us after the 1st war and went back to England and started a 2nd family. My dad started searching in 1969 for him and maybe 10 years ago we finally found him. Apparently he never contacted anyone of his brothers or nieces and nephews ever again.
Karen