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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: jeanharris on Sunday 13 February 05 02:38 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am looking for any info on the ILLMAN family of Worth.
Richard Illman married Mary Blundell there in 1818,they had a son Josiah born 1820.Then unable to find the family until Josiah married Sarah Rolfe in London 1843.Where did they go?
Also does any one have info on Richard and his family?
Thanks Jean,Perth Australia.
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Hi Jean
Has any one come back with any information on your Illmann Family of Worth.
I have just been browsing through the 1841 for Worth and spotted
ILLMANN Lydia, 55, Dressmaker
............. William, 15, Ag Lab
They may be related
Chris in 1066
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Hi Chris,
thanks for that,no one has been back to me on the Illman family only you!
I now think they moved from Worth after Josiah was born ? Burstow Surrey,London or Strood in Kent.
I know they lived in Strood after Josiah married and Sarah was born Frindsbury near Strood(by the way thats were I was born!)
I would like to find if Josiah had any brothers or sisters and where the family was between 1820 and 1843.
When you go to the record office in Lewis next week could you try if you have time please look to see if they were living in Sussex in the 1841 census.
Thanks Jean in Perth Australia.
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HI,
I have some Illman's in my tree from West Grinstead, Sussex including:
Ann (1760-1781)
Elizabeth (c1758 - )
James (c1764 - c1835)
Jane (C1735 - )
John (c 1760 - )Sarah (c1762 - 1844)
Thomas (c1710 - )
Thomas (c1698 - )
Timothy (c1733 - )
William (c1727 - )
Any of these ring any bells?
Mark
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Hi Jean,
The following baptism may be relevant:
William ILLMAN
Birth Date: 31 Dec 1821
Christening Date: 29 August 1847
Recorded in Gillingham, Kent
Father: Richard Illman
Mother: Mary Ann
[FHL Film 1042491]
Regards,
Dave
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There were Illmans in my year at Imberhorne school, East Grinstead (1975-1982).
Can't remember where they lived, but it was either Worth, Turners Hill, Crawley Down or Copthorne - so you still had rellies living in the area at least until the.
Cheers
Jules
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I bought this chappy , no relation to me, but could'nt not give him a home, might be one of your's . Eilleen.
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Hi Elleen.
I did see the photo on Ebay,but I donnot know if he is family or not,the seller could not give me anymore info.
I see you are reseaching in the Lincolnshire area,one member of my Illmans moved there c 1890.He was John Illman the son of Josiah Illman born 1820 Worth,he would have been a nursery man.
Kind regards Jean.
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Hi Jean, I only purchased him because noboby else seemed to want him. :'( he is no relation to me, but maybe someday, someone will claim him. in the mean time he is in good company with a lot of other folk's who I keep an eye out for their decendants, they are all in a box labeled misplaced folk :) Eilleen.
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Possibly this one?
1901 Chiswick Middlesex
RG 13/1199 folio 127 page 35
3 Belmont Grove
Louisa Illman, head, wid, 60, charwoman, Parish N.K. London
William, son, 18, general labourer, Chiswick London
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Hi Dave, that one looks like a good possibility, well done, maybe one day someone will beable to claim him. Eilleen.
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Hi Eilleen and Dave.
I think he may be conected to the Illman family from the Sussex/Surrey boarder.Its an uncommon surname and I think they came first from that area.
I have had a good look at my tree,but sorry to say again he is not mine.I just hope someone claims him.I would love to find more pics of my family.
Regards Jean.
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Hi again Jean.
I think you're right. The William Illman I found was the son of Henry and Louisa Illman. Henry Illman, a gardener, was born about 1845 in Reigate, Surrey. In 1891 the family were at the same address - 3 Belmont Grove, Chiswick. [RG 12/1034 folio 26 page 15]
Going back even further, Henry appears to have been the son of James and Ann Illman. In 1851 he was living with his parents in Reigate. James Illman, a blacksmith, was born about 1813 in Chipstead, Surrey. [HO 107/1599/1 folio 205 page 34]
So the William Illman in the picture seems to have been James's grandson.
Dave
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Hi again Dave.
Thanks for the info.
My Illman's who came to Kent had a nursery in Strood Kent.It is known they sold plants and flowers to Charles Dickens.
The pic was taken c 1900.
Regards Jean.
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Jean, It maybe just me, but I can see a resemblance in your man on the right and the one I have, checkout the hand's. Eilleen.
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Hi Eilleen.
Maybe you are right!
Not sure who is on the photo.One must be my greatgrandfather Richard Illman and maybe the one on the right is William Rolfe Illman born 1870 Strood Kent,his son.
I knew my greatuncle Will he lived well into his 90's!
He could have been on a trip to London and had his pic taken?
Kind regards Jean.
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Jean,
I'm trying to have a clear out, I really don't want to hang on to William, and he does look like the gentleman on the right of your pic,
I would love to give you the photo , at least he will be with someone with the family name, if you would like him as a present from one rootschat to another ,just PM me with an address I can send him to.
best wishes Eilleen.
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Jean,
I thought it would be nice to receive William unannounced, :)
he certainly had a faster journey than some of his name sake's did,
I posted him on Friday 8th Feb early afternoon.
I know in the past , people who do not know me , have gone out of their way to help me in my family search, rootschat folk are a good example of this, their kindness is something I really am thankful for .
I am just chuffed that I found a home for William.
Eilleen.
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Hi Eilleen.
Yes I have found people are so kind on this site and you are one of them.
I will make sure William has a good home here.
Thankyou so much.
Kind regards Jean.
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Hi,
I am looking for any info on the ILLMAN family of Worth.
Richard Illman married Mary Blundell there in 1818,they had a son Josiah born 1820.Then unable to find the family until Josiah married Sarah Rolfe in London 1843.Where did they go?
Also does any one have info on Richard and his family?
Thanks Jean,Perth Australia.
reply from Penny - researching Illman (Thomas who married Lydia Dancy 7 Nov 1809 Worth, Sussex)
Richard Illman who was registered to vote in Worth, Sussex in 1832, did vote in Worth Sussex in 1832 - Source East Sussex List of the Registered for 1832 Poll. (And a Thomas Illman voted in Ditchling if anybody is interested!).
My Lydia Dancy married a Thomas Illman and in 1841 she was found surrounded by countless relatives nearby the Crown Inn, Turners Hill, Worth Sussex
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Hi Penny.
Thankyou for the info.
I think your Thomas maybe my Richard's brother.I have a Thomas born 1785 who was Richard's brother sons of William and Sarah Illman.
My Richard remarried Strood Kent 1835 and I have found both Richard and Josiah living in Kent in the 1841 census.
So if it was my Richard who voted in 1832 he moved to Kent between 1832 and 1835.
I am now looking for his first wife's Mary death and if there were any more children from their marriage,I have yet to find Josiah's baptism.
Kind regards Jean.
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Jean
I checked my transcripts of burials for Crawley, West Grinstead and Bolney and could not find any burials for his first wife Mary before for in 1835.
Your Richard and my Thomas could possibly be brothers. (I have not come across any conclusive proof though). Unable to find my Thomas in 1841 and thereafter. Have not found a death or burial for Thomas.
Plod on...
Penny
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Hi Jean
I came across this site and your quest whilst googling myself! As an Illman living in Sussex I was wondering how your search was going? I am a photographer so I'm fascinated to see the images of old Illmans. Would love to know the story.
Many thanks
David.
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Hi David.
I sent you a PM but you never got back to me!I do have photos of some of my Illmans if you would like them,but I need your email address.
Jean.
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I know this thread is quite old, so I don't know if any of you will see this but I really hope you will.
My name is Kerry Illman. I am looking into my family history so I'm so glad I found this site. I saw this thread and just had to join.
My surname comes from my mother's side of the family. Her name is Susan Illman, her father was Gordon Illman, he was born in Surrey in 1935. His mother was Elizabeth/Elsie Illman, but she died when my granddad was young from complications with an abortion and so my granddad was taken into care, this is why we don't know much about his side. I've been told that his foster mother always told him his real father's name was Charles Richardson, but the name Illman came from his mother's side and her parents were William Illman and Edith Illman previously Garford.
I know Elizabeth/Elsie had two brothers and one sister, their names are/were Alf, Bill and Grace. Alf has two sons that I know of, they are called Alan and David Illman. Gordon Illman married June Stockwell, and they had three children, Linda, Sue and Colin, Sue went on to have me. And here I am :) If you think this is relevant to your family please get in touch. I'd love to learn about you all.
Best wishes,
Kerry xx
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Hi Kerry
Welcome to Rootschat and especially the Sussex pages.
Everyone who has contributed to this thread will automatically get a notification that a reply has been posted (unless they opted out of course) - so dosn't matter how old it is, they will know you have posted.
As I said, welcome aboard
Chris in 1066
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Thanks Chris :) I suppose I just want to know a little bit more about where I come from :D x
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Hi Kerry,
Welcome to Rootschat. :) I had a look for an Edith Garford marriage to William Illman and this is it;
Marriages; Edith Honour Garford to William Illman. Year 1910, quarter Jan-Feb-March, district Croydon [county of Surrey], volume 2a, page 569 for Edith and page 569 for William. (William has been misindexed on Ancestry as being on page 568 but on the original it says page 569).
If you do get the marriage certificate where you will be able to find out the names of their fathers then let us know how you get on.
Penny
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Oh wow thank you so much :) Where could I see this? Sorry I'm really new to the search, hehe! xx
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And, I saw the photograph on this thread of William Illman and I showed it to my mum and the signiture amazed her as she has the exact same handwriting. She writes Illman the exact same way and we told my Nan and she says she reckons it's my great, great, grandfather. He and Edith went on to have Elizabeth, who had my Grandfather Gordon Illman, and so on.
As far as I know William was always known as "William Walter Illman" I think Walter was his middle name. This is amazing! :)
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Hi,
I'm pleased William is getting noticed,
I did'nt like the thought of him not being wanted :)
Eilleen.
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hi....have you heard of charles illman that married agnes tilley?? they were my grandparents?
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hi... i am descended from an illman family from surrey....looking for any links...or info....
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Hi Lizzie.
My Illman family moved from Surrey to Medway Towns Kent sometime after 1820 and before 1835.
My Grandmother was an Illman too!
If you PM me with your email address I can send you my Illman family tree.
Jean.
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HI,
I have some Illman's in my tree from West Grinstead, Sussex including:
Ann (1760-1781)
Elizabeth (c1758 - )
James (c1764 - c1835)
Jane (C1735 - )
John (c 1760 - )Sarah (c1762 - 1844)
Thomas (c1710 - )
Thomas (c1698 - )
Timothy (c1733 - )
William (c1727 - )
Any of these ring any bells?
Mark
Mark
I note that you are still active on this chatter, but I am harking back to 2005!
My direct line is stymied at Thomas Illman, born ca. 1698 in West Grinstead.
I have downloaded all the Illmans in WG I can, but still cannot get any further back.
Next I suppose I need to start checking nearby villages to see if he moved in from the surrounding area. There is a Thomas Illman of Steyning which is very close who married an Elizabeth of WG at around this time, but have not been able to get back to any search locations to try again - I live in Muscat, Oman so am a little constrained in this respect.
There is a Walter Illman and family in WG records going back into the 1600s but have not been able to detect any links yet.
Any suggestions or observations would be very welcome.
Best wishes - Chris Hillman
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Hi Chris.
I see from your post you are doing a one name study of the Illman family world wide.I would love to help if I can or join in!
Regards Jean.
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Jean - you are more than welcome to take part! I have a lot of information, but not very organised as yet. My approach is trying to ascertain the origin(s) of the name and evolution from Hylman, Illman, ad Montem, Uppehill and Attehill (see the Goons website and my study brief there - http://www.one-name.org/profiles/hillman.html ). Let me know if this is still of interest? Best wishes - Chris
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Hi Chris.
Yes I would like to join in.
My Grandmother was Lena Elizabeth Illman born 1883 Strood Kent.
Her family moved to Kent between 1832 and 1835 from Worth/Burstow on the boarders of Surrey/Sussex.
Lena was my father's mother and they were gardeners as my father is still at 93.
Regards Jean.
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Jean - not sure how best to go about this?! All my own family line data is in Brother's Keeper software, all my Illman/Hillman data is in Custodian 3. Objectives - to understand better the origins and distribution of the Illman/Hillman family name worldwide. How do you see your own interests fitting in with this? Currently I am engaged in trying to push back my Illman line in the West Grinstead area through focussing first on WG, then surrounding villages. However, at a distance this is not easy and getting beyond good published records on BMD. Another aspect is looking at the varied occurrences of the family name variants pre 1700. Again, this is older historical literature and lots of "paperwork"! Best wishes - Chris
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Hi Chris.
I was thinking of looking into my own Illman's.I know they went all over the world!
If I could have your email address could send a file of early parish records an email friend in the UK sent me.I will contact him to see if he would like to take part in the study.
I donnot know but did you see I live in Perth Australia!
Regards Jean.
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Hi Chris.
My friend is Ray Osbourne who you have been in contact with,if you have info from him you have all the info I have on my Surrey/Sussex Illman.But I still can help with where my Illman's went in the world if you would like.
Regards Jean.
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I am one-eighth Illman, my great-grandmother was Laura Ada Illman.
You can trace some Worth-based Illmans back from her on this page:of my site:
http://haywain.net/family/tree.php?ID=16
Most of the Illman data on the site is based on the work of
W. John Illman of Canada (my half second cousin) and I do
not personally have evidence for material prior to Laura's grandfather George.
Ian
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Thanks for the link Ian.
I have been in contact with W John Illman.
I am now back a fair way with my tree but still unable to find Josiah's baptism.
If you would like to PM me with your email address I can send you my tree to see if any link to your Illmans.
Regards Jean.
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Hi Elleen.
I did see the photo on Ebay,but I donnot know if he is family or not,the seller could not give me anymore info.
I see you are reseaching in the Lincolnshire area,one member of my Illmans moved there c 1890.He was John Illman the son of Josiah Illman born 1820 Worth,he would have been a nursery man.
Kind regards Jean.
I am descended from this line. John was my paternal grandmother's father. My grandmother was Winifred born 1900. She married William Scott.
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I am seeking information about Harry Ernest Illman 1881-1963. He left Strood in Kent in 1912 and moved to America. In 1914 he met and married ex-Strood resident Emily Alice Goldsmith, born 1880 in Milton Regis, Sittingbourne.
I am in touch with Jean Harris in Perth.
Grateful any family help, photographs please as I am writing a feature for Bygone Kent Magazine.
Thank you
Mike