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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: Ms. Smokestoomuch on Thursday 12 February 09 14:18 GMT (UK)
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I'm considering visiting Gorey to research my family in the area.
The areas of interest area Tara Hill and Ballymoney.
Can anybody give me a few pointers to what I can hope to pin down.
For instance, what can I hope for with Parish records?
And, would it be pointless trying to find records for the 1820s or 1850s?
And I know that some family graves are in the Kilcavan graveyard but is there anywhere else to visit.
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the Catholic records for the Parish of Gorey, Diocese of Ferns, are available in the National Library in Dublin (www.nli.ie) on microfilm number P.4256
the following dates are included :
Baptisms May 26, 1845 - Nov, 10, 1880
Marriages June 5, 1845 - July 3, 1847
Aug. 4, 1847 - May 2, 1880
link to lists of registers available at the NLI : http://www.nli.ie/en/parish-register.aspx
Shane
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Ms. Smokestoomuch
What names are you researching in this area? I have done quite a lot in this area especially with C/Kavanaghs.
Regards
John G.
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Thanks Shanew147
Jytefas,
I'm looking into the Eustace's family. They were then Blacksmiths in Ballymoney.
Also the O'Briens/Briens/Bryans. They worked on the Courtown estate.
We have found bits and pieces already. I think I've spotted them on the Griffiths, I've already a couple of gravestones (though I suspect there is more to be found), another relative has found them on the estate rent books and I have manage to find death certs.
I've been putting off the Parish records till last. I know I'll be truly confused.
So far we suspect we have a Great Great Grand father John Eustace born 1800 died 1867.
His children were Anastasia, William and Owen. There are a couple more possibles, but I'm not sure if we're mixing up cousins.
The O'Briens; we have Raymond or Redmond O'Brien/ Bryan (1816-1872), son of Patrick Bryan who died 1868 78yrs old.
There is lots of grey areas to say the least.
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You certainly have done a lot of research on the Courtown Estate, I will post this list just in case you have missed some.
There are many many O’Briens still living around the Courtown, Gorey and Ballycanew areas so it’s just a matter of connecting with one of these families.
I will check through my files over the weekend to see if I have anything further to add. Meanwhile happy hunting
Courtown 1827-57 Rent Rolls, Estate Accounts, Trinity College C'n P /9
Courtown 1829-59 Estate & Wage accounts, Trinity College C'n P /30/14-27
1836-49 Trinity College_C'n P /31/1-2
1836-49 Surveys, reports, valuations; Estate accounts; Landlords_Trinity College C'n P/32/9
1836-75 Deeds, Trinity College C'n P /5/220-351
1837-52 Estate accounts, vouchers, Trinity College C'n P /31/4-13
1848 Maps with names of tenants, National Library 16H.33:1
Kind Regards
John G.
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Thanks so much.
There are a couple of the extended family digging here there and everywhere.
That will keep us busy now.
Just when I thought we were running out of places to look!
I'm delighted to hear there may be records for employment in the Courtown Estate.
Raymond O'Brien is the Ancestor who was directly effected by the Famine and he's the one working in the Courtown Estate. He died prematurely from an illness said to have dated back to starvation during the famine.
He seems to be just slipping through the gaps in the records.
I'm hoping to figure out how this came about and was he employed by them during this period, and yet starving!
You've told me tons I was unaware of.
Thanks so much.
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Just read John Gs comment about his research into Kavanaghs in Gorey. Maybe he can help me too? My GGF & GGM both came from Gorey - James Cullen (b 1850 in Wales) and Ann or Annie Kavanagh (b c 1860 in Gorey). He was a plasterer by trade. Her brother Charles was the managing clerk in a firm of solicitors in Gorey. Her sister Mary ran a shop outside Gorey. They moved to Emmet St in Harolds Cross and had 5 children - Mary, Charles, Kate, Richard & Anne - all deceased. Mary married John Kennedy who captained the famous Wexford football teams of the 1913/1918 era. Any help with either the Cullen or Kavanagh family background appreciated. LiamK
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Hello Ms. Smokestoomuch,
I hope you are well & get this message!
I only came across this website by chance and found this message about Gorey.
I am from Gorey, Co. Wexford and have a keen interest in genealogy & local history.
In my family tree I have a Sunderland married Eustace of Ballymoney - details below.
Let me know what you think!
1. Sunderlands are my direct ancestors.
Margaret Sunderland married William Eustace, blacksmith of Ballymoney.
Margaret is my great-great-grandaunt
(i.e her brother Thomas is my great-great-grandfather) if you can follow me!
2. Marriage at St Michaels Church, Gorey:
18th February 1878 : Marriage between :
Margaret Sunderland, age 30, spinster, of Ballyscartan,
(her father Michael Sunderland, farmer, deceased)
AND
William Eustace, age 38, bachelor, blacksmith, of Ballymoney,
(his father John Eustace, also blacksmith, deceased)
Witnesses: William Brien and Maria Sunderland.
These details are taken from marriage certificate which i got in the records office in Dublin.
William the blacksmith signed his name, Margaret did an "x".
Hope this might make some sense. Let me know.
Best regards
Gerard
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Yes I've got that very marriage cert myself.
I'm going to keep you talking here. If your new to Rootchat, you need to put up a few messages (I think 3) before you can send private messages to members.
These Eustace's, it is said, descend from the Ballymore Eustace, family in Kildare. The story goes they lost everything when they had to flee because they were Catholic. (I'm a bit rough on this period of History.) I think it would be a very interesting family to be looking up if we could just get back a couple of generations further.
Now when I went looking into that marriage I was expecting it to be William Eustace marrying Maria Sunderland. I didn't mind that the name had altered to Margaret till I seen that Maria was a witness.
But I'm sure it's still the right one. The only thing I'm worried about is that the names John and William are chosen for a lot of the males in the family. I have to keep asking myself, am I getting first cousins mixed up. There's so many gaps in the records it's possible.
William died 1908 a widower. I don't think they had children.
Does this sound familiar?
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Hi, yep i am brand new to rootschat so don't really know what do etc so we will keep talking till we can send private messages.
I only just found the website and was scanning through and saw your note about Gorey which caught my interest and then i read your note I remembered about the eustace connection in my family tree.
Ballyscarton is on the outskirts of Gorey, on the way to Ballymoney. My Sunderland family have been there since 1750. Ballymoney is a tiny and quiet village and is really nice. Don't quote me but i think Ballymoney would have fallen under the remit of the courtown estate; so you might find some records there.
A blacksmith would have been a key person in the locality as he would have been doing all the work for the local farmers etc. The local historian for courtown might have heard of eustace/blacksmith or know of them.
Well i am from the sunderland family so if you are interested in Margaret Sunderland ancestry i have that stuff. I have a picture of her brother Thomas my great-great grand father. I don't have any info on what happened to the sunderland-eustace family so that is great to find you and you might have some bits for me - as i did'nt have anything bar the marriage record. The only other hope is to search the 1901 census.
THe names John and William tend to follow patterns etc naming the son after the father etc or else naming the first born son after the paternal grandfather etc. Just go with what you have! for the moment.
I have looked up a book "Tales of the Anvil" - The Forges and Blacksmiths of Wexford- by Eamon Doyle. Have a look and see if it is on amazon?
Next time I am home i will look and see if it is still available if you can't get it. And this is what i found:
GOREY - Griffiths Valuation - 1853 - John Eustace - Ballymoney Upper
(most likely your John Eustace father of William who got married in 1878)
Hope this helps. Keep in touch!
best regards
Gerard
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hi you have sent your reply to the wrong person
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I think we've lost about 8 - 10 pages here, wexfordlady! Including stuff about Craanford . . I'll report to moderator
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Just returned to this page to revisit some of the previous research and there seems to be a lot missing - anyone know how to retrieve it?
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This seems to be it, the second post has the same title as this one
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756127.0
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Great, thanks!
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Ms. Smokestoomuch
What names are you researching in this area? I have done quite a lot in this area especially with C/Kavanaghs.
Regards
John G.
I have recently found a Kavanagh connection from the area in my family tree. Margaret Kavanagh was baptised in Killanerin 1 June 1779. A Margaret Kavanagh married John Mitten on 5 November 1797 in Killanerin and I am wondering could this be the same Margaret. Has this family appeared in your research by any chance. Thanks for any insight you may have.
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I have recently found a Kavanagh connection from the area in my family tree. Margaret Kavanagh was baptised in Killanerin 1 June 1779. A Margaret Kavanagh married John Mitten on 5 November 1897 in Killanerin and I am wondering could this be the same Margaret.
I doubt it! Perhaps you could repost/correct the dates?
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I have recently found a Kavanagh connection from the area in my family tree. Margaret Kavanagh was baptised in Killanerin 1 June 1779. A Margaret Kavanagh married John Mitten on 5 November 1897 in Killanerin and I am wondering could this be the same Margaret.
I doubt it! Perhaps you could repost/correct the dates?
Thanks, just edited it to 1797, been a long day... :)