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Hi
I am looking for any help or info on my Great Grandmother.
Her name was Mary Ann Birmingham c1870??? Her Mum and Dad where called Peter & Bridget Birmingham Her mothers maiden name was Corless.
They moved to England but i am unsure of the year?
My Great Grandmother Married John Hodgkiss c1870 In Lancashire,England and lived at Kent St Farnworth in Lancashire.
Any info then please reply.
Many thanks
Hodgkiss77
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Could you clarify approx. birthdate for Mary Ann Birmingham? was she born c1870 or married c1870? the dates will make a big difference to what information might be available (and also the family's religion please)
Three of the children of Peter Birmingham and Bridget Corless are listed in IGI (see www.familysearch.org for details by doing parent search).
Youn might be able to narrow down the date hey arrived in England by birthplaces of the children and the family's appearance in English census records but records weren't kept of people travelling between Ireland and the rest of the U.K.
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Hi tks for the reply
Mary ann birmingham was born around c1870?
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from Slater's commercial directory of 1870 - Nobility, Gentry & Clergy section
John Bermingham, Esq. J.P. Millbrook, Tuam
I'm not sure what the J.P. stands for..
there are a few Bermingham references around Co. Galway - Galway city, Loughrea, Dunmore & Gort
they seem to derive from '..the Berminghams, barons of Athenry'
The directory entry for Dunmore mentions 'Bermingham Castle, a beautiful ruin, once the seat of that ancient family'. Dunmore is described as 9 miles NE of Tuam
the only entry I see with the 'i' spelling of the surname in Co. Galway is a Grocer in Main st, Loughrea named Redmond Birmingham. he's also listed under the Ironmongers and Hardwaremen section.
Shane
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Hello there!
Many thanks for your reply.
Here is the Information I have on My Great Grandmother...........
Mary Ann Birmingham Born 27/09/1865.
She had the following Siblings:Michael c1862,John c1868,Catherine c1876 All where Born in Tuam-Galway,Ireland Except for Catherine-she was born In Farnworth In Lancashire-Uk.
Their parents were: Peter Birmingham c1839 & Bridget Corless c1839 Of Tuam-Galway,Ireland.
They all left Tuam for England in i believe to be the 1860'/70's.
Any info on the above people would be most grateful...Ie: Marriage,Birth,Death or ancestors of them?
Regards
Hodgkiss77
My Great Grandmother Mary Ann went on to Marry John Hodgkiss in 1885 in Farnworth-Lancashire,England.
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You can order birth certificates for any of the children born in Ireland after 1864 but there are no birth certificates before that date so for earlier information you need to search for church records (if they exist).
www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm
Also, civil registration of Catholic marriages began in 1864 so for the parents' marriage it's again a matter of hoping to find church records.
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... parents were: Peter Birmingham c1839 & Bridget Corless c1839 Of Tuam-Galway,Ireland.
They all left Tuam for England in i believe to be the 1860'/70's.
Any info on the above people would be most grateful...Ie: Marriage,Birth,Death or ancestors of them?
The Irish Family History Foundation website includes data for Co. Galway - see www.irish-roots.ie They have parish record transcripts, which cost 5 euro each to view. The index is free to search once you register.
I dont see any Corless surnames in Tuam around that time but these commercial directories only include gentry,business and trades-people, also the 1870 edition does not include many farmers. The families you are interested in may all have left before this edition was compiled.
I have a bit of a gap in the data I have before this timeframe but I'll see if there are other Bermingham/Birmingham or Corless entries in other directories.
Shane
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Hello,
Can anybody help me?
I am trying to trace ancestors,Info,Family connections on the following people....(I have spelt their Surname in Two ways as these are the ways of spelling the name)
Mary Birmingham/Bermingham Born Agloragh,Tuam Co.Galway '24th September 1865' (My Great Grandmother )
Her Father was: Peter Birmingham/Bermingham c1835?Tuam?
Her Mother was: Bridget Birmingham/Bermingham c1837? Tuam?
Peter & Bridget Where Married ''21st Febuary 1859'' Co.Galway ( Church Marriage) Religion-Roman Catholic's
Se had the Following Siblings that i am aware of:Michael c1862 (Born in Tuam ),John c1868 (Born in Tuam ) & Catherine c1876 ( Born in England )
The family Moved to England in the 1860's/70's to Settle In Lancashire.
I would love to try and trace Both of Mary's Parents Births and then i can work my way back with the family?
If anybody can help with anything at all then please do reply as i feel i am banging my head against a brick wall with trying to seek info on the Birmingham/Bermingham's!!
Thank you
Hodgkiss77
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Bridgets maiden name was Corless
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Children of Peter Birmingham and Bridget Corless listed in IGI (www.familysearch.org):
1. Mary born 27 Sept.1865 Tuam district
2. John born 30 Aug.1868 Tuam district
3. Catherine born 2 Sept.1870 Co. Galway
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Thank you so much for that Info...I am trying to establish when they came to England, I did found them on the 1901 English Census,but not to sure what year they came here!
Also if anybody can help with where the name Birmingham/Bermingham derived from and any info on whom Peter Birmingham's & Bridget Corless Parents where or even thei date of births would be great?
Hodgkiss77
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Civil registration of births, deaths and Catholic marriages in Ireland began in 1864 so for earlier dates you need to search for church records (if they exist).
Griffith's Valuation lists only a few Birminghams in Co. Galway but far more Berminghams:
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_form.php
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births. MARY 27-9-1865. JOHN 30-8-1868. CATHERINE 2-9-1870. BORN TUAM, GALWAY.
parents. PETER BIRMINGHAM & BRIDGET CORLESS.
regards mary.
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Please continue posting on one thread rather than starting a new topic looking for same family. Have just merged the two Birmingham topics to avoid any more confusion and duplication.
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Oh ty i am ever so sorry abt that, I am new to this site and had not reaslised that i had posted 2 message's abt the BERMINGHAM'S!
Thank you for merging them into one for me and, for all the help and, links to websites! I have not had much luck tho on the family search website-Maybe i am doing something wrong?!
I appreciate anymore help anybody?
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Thank you so much for that Info...I am trying to establish when they came to England, I did found them on the 1901 English Census,but not to sure what year they came here!
Also if anybody can help with where the name Birmingham/Bermingham derived from and any info on whom Peter Birmingham's & Bridget Corless Parents where or even thei date of births would be great?
Hodgkiss77
Bermingham seems to be a name with many connections in Tuam
Bermingham House - "2mi/3km east of Tuam stands Bermingham House (1730), with good plasterwork and fine furniture. Hobbies & Activities category: Decorative arts display; Furniture display; Manor or country house" (http://www.planetware.com/tuam/bermingham-house-irl-ga-berh.htm & http://www.galwayhorse.com/berhse.html )
This was for sale recently - at just € 3.5 million! (http://www.sherryfitz.ie/resi/buy/propertydetail.aspx?id=262889&ST=1&pc=1)
1824 (Pigots)
Edward Birmingham , esq. Lack
Michl. Birmingham, Dalgan
Thos. Birmingham, esq. Ash-grove
1846 (Slaters)
Entry for Dunmore, Co. Galway (close to Tuam) includes the following : ".... The church forms a portion of the ancient monastery, said to have been founded by the Berminghams, barons of Athenry. There is also a chapel for Roman Catholics. Bermingham Castle, a beautiful ruin, once the seat of that ancient family, is in the neighbourhood"
Enrtry for Atherny, Co. Galway includes : "The ruin of a Dominican abbey here, from its antiquity and style of architecture, is the admiration of all strangers. It was founded by Myler De Bermingham, second baron of Athenry, in 1241, and was dedicated to St. Peter and St. Paul. ...."
De Bermingham seems to have been a Norman name. There's no way to be certain at this stage that these Bermingham/Birmingham people are connected - but it shows that the name was present in and around Tuam for quite a while.
Shane
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Hello,
Thank you for the Info...What a beautiful House the Berminghma House is! I wondered if anybody knows of the place 'AGLORAGH' Tuam-Co.Galway this semsto be the place my Great Grandmother MARY BERMINGHAM was born in 1865.
Any info would be of great help, I have googled teh place and it has come up with this..........
Agloragh,In the South End of the Parish,Barony of Dunmore-Bounded on the South-East and West by the Parish of Killererin and o the North by the Monument Park and Cool Park.
Please reply witht any info??
Thank you
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The Birmingham family came from Birmingham city and arrived in Ireland with the norman invasion in 1269. The first famous Birmingham was Piers de Birmingham whose lineage can be traced in the peerage. The Birminghams settled in Galway and Kildare and Louth. The were known as Lord Louth and Baron of Athenry (Galway). The Birmingham family name is rare enough but there are a few families in Galway. The town of Dunmore 8 miles from Tuam was their last remaining stronghold and is where the family name fell into the use of "commoners" or in common usage as we would say. I have a little more info if you are interested.
Galwayreader
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Hi
Yes please! -I am most interested! Are you saying that The Birminghams derived from Birmingham City in England?
Thank you
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Yes. Hello I hope that I can help a little.
Here goes
The name Birmingham seems to have come from England. The first mention of it is Beomra Birm is derived from Beorma (or Beornmund) — Beorma was probably a local Saxon tribal leader, 'ing' is derived from ingas meaning 'tribe of' or 'people of', and 'ham' is short for hamlet or "heim", village or homestead. Therefore 'Birmingham' roughly means "The home of the tribe or people of Beorma.
The Norman invasion of England ment that a lord was given the area around Birmingham and this name became the family name eg. Richard De Birmingham.
The first recorded Birmingham in Ireland was Piers De Birmingham. In Irish the name Birmingham is MacFheorais or son of Piers. The Birmingham's were granted lands in Louth, Kildare and Galway.
In Galway their strongholds were in Athenry and Dunmore where the remains of their castles still can be seen. This is the branch that I come from. The earliest mention of a Birmingham in Tuam is a bishop in the 1300's. From 1300 to 1800 the Birmingham family were quite powerful and owned lands in north Galway. One of the most famous was John Birmingham who discovered a crater on the moon which he named in honour of the family. They also had a vast estate in the east indies.
After this the family lost its power but a few Birmingham families are still in the area and are all spelled with an i.
I hope that this will help a little.
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I forgot to say that there is an Arglora in Tuam just outside the town.
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Do you know anything abt the place or know where i could find such information out about it?
Thank you again
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It is just outside Tuam but is in the parish. You can check it up on google maps. It is a farming area. Have you any more details about the people that you are researching and I will see what I can find? I am a Birmingham but my family originally came from Dunmore although it is probably the same branch of the family.
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Hi Again!
The only Information that i have on the people i am researching are the details i have already posted on this thread!
I know that my Great Grandmother ''Mary Birmingham'' was born in Tuam-Galway. Her Mother was Bridget Corles/Corless and her Father Was Peter Birmingham. The Family emmigrated to England in the late 1800's and settled there in a place called Farnworth In Lancashire.
I am trying to trace the next Generation back from Bridget & Peter but keep coming up against brick walls (Very Large Ones at that)! I have not long been researching this line.
Any help or Info would be very much appreciated, also, you never know-there is a possibility that you could be connected along the lines to my Birmingham lineage?
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If you try the 1911 online census of ireland it lists a Julia Corless living in ahgloragh Levelly Co. Galway. This is the same aglora/argloragh as it is on the Tuam/Levally border. Could this person be a relative of your Bridget Corless? You can check it out online yourself. No Birminghams came up on the search so they may have been the last family in the townland. A few Birminghams come up in Tuam but it is difficult to link them without church records which i might be able to look into.
If nothing else the online census is a bit of fun to look at.
I'll pass anything else i find on. This has given me a bit of motivation to get at my own family tree again.
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You could try contacting the Athenry Heritage Centre - http://www.athenryheritagecentre.com/contact.htm.
I read about a Bermingham family there when I visited Galway recently.
e.mail info[at]athenryheritagecentre.com
CSP Manager: Alan Burgess
Address:
Athenry Arts & Heritage Centre
The Square
Athenry
Co. Galway
Moderator Comment: e-mail edited, to avoid spamming and other abuses.
Please replace [at] with @
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Dear HODGKISS77
How have you got on with your search-any luck?
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Hiya,
Afraid not. I have had to put a back burner on the research due to illness. I am however hoping to restart it again very soon. Did you find any further info that you would be so kind to share with me? x
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Sorry to hear of your illness. I also have not done any research lately but I hope to get going over the summer. If I come across anything I will pass it on
regards
Galwayreader
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Hiya,
That would be brilliant- thank you som mcuh for all your help, very much appreciated!
I am very keen on trying to find any info on Peter Birmingham and his wife Bridget Corless. I have yet to find this info, it is so hard to try and gather info to enable me to work back a line from these pair!
Hope to hear from you soon :)
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OK I will keep an eye out.
I have come across a bridget Bermingham in Tuam around 1830's in Griffiths vauation online-might be worth a look.
Bye for now
Galwayreader
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I am sorry about the illness and do hope that the situation will improve.
Please do make contact with the Athenry Heritage Centre (contact details I gave before); they are very helpful there.
Happy hunting :)
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Dear Hodgkiss,
I came across this site and it might have something for you
http://www.tuamfamilyhistories.com/church_records/tuam_baptisms/tuam_baptisms_b.htm
It lists a John Birmingham born 1868 in Tuam to a Peter Birmingham and a Bridget Corless,
bye for now.
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John Bermingham, Esq. J.P. Millbrook, Tuam
I'm not sure what the J.P. stands for..
Would J.P. be Justice of the Peace. Any upstanding layman can be a JP and sit as judge in local court sessions?
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Hi there,
Thank you for info you have supplied to my post on my ''Bermingham/Birmingham'' ancestors!
I am still treying to find further info on my particular family and keep coming across brick walls- if you have any further info or can help in any way I woul be most grateful.
Thank you
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Have you made contact with the Athenry Heritage Centre (contact details I gave before)?
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Hi,
I had completely forgotton all about that. It is now on my things to do list ;)
Thank you
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Have u tried looking in the local phone book ?
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John Bermingham, Esq. J.P. Millbrook, Tuam
I'm not sure what the J.P. stands for..
Would J.P. be Justice of the Peace. Any upstanding layman can be a JP and sit as judge in local court sessions?
Yes he was a justice of the peace and a famous astronomer (Birmingham crater on the moon is named in his honour)
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I belong to this family
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My grandmother was the daughter of Thomas who I think his father was Patrick. I do have family there now.
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I also belong to this family and es they are from Dunmore and the church there finally has somebody that will look. She sent me record but wrong Grandmom.
here is the email. good luck
Dunmore Parish Newsletter <newsletter@dunmoreparish.ie>
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My cousin still lives there and owns a B&B she was saying there are two Birmingham families and not related. When i was there my cousin to me to all the homes and the Castle. It still stands I got some photos of it. I'm on my way back in 2013.
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Hi, my great, great grandparents where Peter and Bridget (Coreless) from Tuam, Galway as well.
Your great grandmother was Mary Ann and my great grandfather was Michael. They were brother and sister. They ended up in Farnworth, Lancashire.
My great grandfather was also called Michael (born in Farnworth) and he married Clara Stocks and immigrated to Canada with his family. I am also a Birmingham born in Canada. I am also looking for the parents of Peter and Bridget in Ireland and when and why they left Ireland.
Any help you can be would be appreciated.
Thank you
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Hi,
I live just around the corner from the ruins of John Birmingham's Mill and his house, if anyone would like photos will send them.
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Yes, I would love to see the pictures. How lucky you are to live in such a beautiful place!! :)
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John Birmingham's Mill on the river Clare at Milltown.House to follow.
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House short walk from mill,
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Thank you very much Kerrill...most interesting!
SBarrett
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Hi,
My Great-greatgrandfather is James Birmingham who was born somewhere in Ireland. I suspect his father was called John Birmingham. I don't know if there is any connection with the Birminghams in Tuam, but James and his family lived in Chorlton on Medlock, Manchester and his children eventually settled in Farnworth, Bolton. James was born around 1836.
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Hi are you still researching this family ???
Please get in touch as I am reopening my search ...
Thanks
quote author=SBarrett link=topic=360712.msg5268527#msg5268527 date=1396209248]
Hi, my great, great grandparents where Peter and Bridget (Coreless) from Tuam, Galway as well.
Your great grandmother was Mary Ann and my great grandfather was Michael. They were brother and sister. They ended up in Farnworth, Lancashire.
My great grandfather was also called Michael (born in Farnworth) and he married Clara Stocks and immigrated to Canada with his family. I am also a Birmingham born in Canada. I am also looking for the parents of Peter and Bridget in Ireland and when and why they left Ireland.
Any help you can be would be appreciated.
Thank you
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birmingham_(astronomer)
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[hi
Are you still seeking ?
quote author=John G Haslam link=topic=360712.msg5285789#msg5285789 date=1397729190]
Hi,
My Great-greatgrandfather is James Birmingham who was born somewhere in Ireland. I suspect his father was called John Birmingham. I don't know if there is any connection with the Birminghams in Tuam, but James and his family lived in Chorlton on Medlock, Manchester and his children eventually settled in Farnworth, Bolton. James was born around 1836.
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Hi pleasaie contact about thT Birmingham’s
Thanks
quote author=SBarrett link=topic=360712.msg5268527#msg5268527 date=1396209248]
Hi, my great, great grandparents where Peter and Bridget (Coreless) from Tuam, Galway as well.
Your great grandmother was Mary Ann and my great grandfather was Michael. They were brother and sister. They ended up in Farnworth, Lancashire.
My great grandfather was also called Michael (born in Farnworth) and he married Clara Stocks and immigrated to Canada with his family. I am also a Birmingham born in Canada. I am also looking for the parents of Peter and Bridget in Ireland and when and why they left Ireland.
Any help you can be would be appreciated.
Thank you
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Hi are you still researching this line?
quote author=SBarrett link=topic=360712.msg5268527#msg5268527 date=1396209248]
Hi, my great, great grandparents where Peter and Bridget (Coreless) from Tuam, Galway as well.
Your great grandmother was Mary Ann and my great grandfather was Michael. They were brother and sister. They ended up in Farnworth, Lancashire.
My great grandfather was also called Michael (born in Farnworth) and he married Clara Stocks and immigrated to Canada with his family. I am also a Birmingham born in Canada. I am also looking for the parents of Peter and Bridget in Ireland and when and why they left Ireland.
Any help you can be would be appreciated.
Thank you
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Hi
I'm very new to this searching for the family tree and past, I believe I may be part of this family tree.
Peter and Bridget (Corless) being my great great great great grandparents.
My great grandma was May Birmingham who married George Cartwright. Lived in farnworth throughout there lives. May was the daughter of Michael Birmingham who I believe was the son of Peter and Bridget's.
May and George had three children, John William, Peter and Brenda (cartwrights). Brenda is my grandma.
I currently live in farnworth with my own family.
I hope this may be of interest.
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Hi
Pleased to meet you! Thank you for your reply. I’ve only just started getting back to researching my family tree. I actually got stuck trying to find Bridget and Peters parents in Ireland. If you like we could share what information we already have about our trees?
Kind regards
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My 3rd gt grandfather was James Roche Jnr - his daughter Winifred married John Griffin (all Tuam). John and Winifred went to live in Walsall now West Midlands and their daughtr Ellen was born, my maternal grandfather's mother.
James Roche Jnr was baptised 24th August 1819 in Tuam - parents James Roche Snr and Honor Birmingham.
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Hi, thanks for the info...I’m not to sure if your Birmingham links into mine but they could as all from tuam?
Do you have any further information on honour Birmingham?
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She may be from Westmeath though, can't find much about her other than her marriage in 1810 to James Roche.
It's where I have a problem, the only relatives I have found to have that came from Ireland. ::)
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Hi
Pleased to meet you! Thank you for your reply. I’ve only just started getting back to researching my family tree. I actually got stuck trying to find Bridget and Peters parents in Ireland. If you like we could share what information we already have about our trees?
Kind regards
I would be happy to do so, as this is fairly new to me I'm just a little concerned my info may not be that accurate, my nan assures me its accurate though that does give me some confidence.
It's my nans route that I'm heading down at the moment.
The only parent I have is for peter birmingham born in 1842, I believe his father was a gentleman with the name Bartew Bermingham there is some confusion with the spelling but my nan tells me that the spelling did differ.
Where is it that you fit in with peter and bridget?
Thanks
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Hello,
Peter and Bridget are my GGG grandparents - their daughter mary Anne Birmingham married my fathers, father “John Hodgkiss” in farnworth in Lancashire.
I’m very interested in trying to go backwards with peter Birmingham and Bridget corless? I’ll see what other information I have about them as I’ve just started researching my family tree.
Kind Regards
Hi
Pleased to meet you! Thank you for your reply. I’ve only just started getting back to researching my family tree. I actually got stuck trying to find Bridget and Peters parents in Ireland. If you like we could share what information we already have about our trees?
Kind regards
I would be happy to do so, as this is fairly new to me I'm just a little concerned my info may not be that accurate, my nan assures me its accurate though that does give me some confidence.
It's my nans route that I'm heading down at the moment.
The only parent I have is for peter birmingham born in 1842, I believe his father was a gentleman with the name Bartew Bermingham there is some confusion with the spelling but my nan tells me that the spelling did differ.
Where is it that you fit in with peter and bridget?
Thanks
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Hello,
Peter and Bridget are my GGG grandparents - their daughter mary Anne Birmingham married my fathers, father “John Hodgkiss” in farnworth in Lancashire.
I’m very interested in trying to go backwards with peter Birmingham and Bridget corless? I’ll see what other information I have about them as I’ve just started researching my family tree.
Kind Regards
Hi
Pleased to meet you! Thank you for your reply. I’ve only just started getting back to researching my family tree. I actually got stuck trying to find Bridget and Peters parents in Ireland. If you like we could share what information we already have about our trees?
Kind regards
I would be happy to do so, as this is fairly new to me I'm just a little concerned my info may not be that accurate, my nan assures me its accurate though that does give me some confidence.
It's my nans route that I'm heading down at the moment.
The only parent I have is for peter birmingham born in 1842, I believe his father was a gentleman with the name Bartew Bermingham there is some confusion with the spelling but my nan tells me that the spelling did differ.
Where is it that you fit in with peter and bridget?
Thanks
Brill, I'm very new to this also but have found the start of my explorations fascinating so far. Where are you from yourself, are you a farnworthian too or are you further a field.
Thanks
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my late father and his family were all born in farnworth and I used to live in Bolton but emigrated to Australia for some years but I’m now back in the uk in East Sussex.
What other info do you have on the biminghams which you know of so far? Did you know about maey Anne Birmingham ? She married John Hodgkiss and they lived at Kent st in farnworth in the 1800s I’m not sure why Mary left tuam in Ireland ?
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Hi everyone. I'm in Australia, & have been trying to find some records for my Great Grandfather Peter Bermingham/Birmingham who arrived in Australia from the U.K. some time in the mid 1800's. The name on the few records I've found, here in Australia, is spelt both ways. I believe he arrived by ship in Maryborough Queensland. I've read through all the posts here. Does anyone know where & when the "Peter Birmingham" mentioned here lived and died?