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Hi everone,
Looking for info on James Ritchie born abt. 1851 in Newburgh. Father was Alexander Ritchie and Isabella Baldie. Any info on the family and extensions would be appreciated. Also looking for a photograph of the Roundlaw Plougman's Cottage near Trinity Gask - my grandfather James Ritchie (b. 1901) was born there. Any help would be appreciated.
Ian
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Hi Ian
Do you have the following and might they be attached to yours?
William Baldy Birth circa1784 Of Banderren, Ceres, Fife, Scotland
married 25 NOV 1809 Ceres, Fife, Scotland to Elizabeth Pride Birth c1788 Of, Ceres, Fife, Scotland
Their children are
1. David Baldy, Born 24 APR 1811 Banderren, Ceres, Fife, Scotland
2. William Baldy Born 24 APR 1813 Baldostard, Largo, Fife, Scotland
3. Robert Baldy Born 22 FEB 1816 Christened 24 MAR 1816 Baldostard, Largo, Fife, Scotland
4. Isobel Baldy Born 01 MAY 1818, Christened 17 MAY 1818 Baldostard, Largo, Fife, Scotland
5. Mary Baldy Born 06 JUL 1820 Cristened 13 JUL 1820 Baldostard, Largo, Fife, Scotland
6. Andrew Baldy Christened 1 DEC 1822 Baldostard, Largo, Fife, Scotland
7. James Baldy Born 27 FEB 1825 Christened 13 MAR 1825 Baldostard, Largo, Fife, Scotland
Regards Wendy
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Sorry forgot the source
Fingers quicker than the brain
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=/eng/search/ancestorsearchresults.asp
Source Information:
Film Number: 458467
Page Number:
Reference number:
Wendy
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ok here goes census from A*
1861 Woodhead farm, abdie,fife
Alexander Ritchie 43 ploughman Auchtermuchty
isabella 42 Largo
David 22
mary 12
james 9 fife??
Elizabeth 6
mary Ritchie 24 d in law
isabella 4 mths
1871 henhill, forteviot, perth
james ritchie 20 farm servant with Robertson family
1881 Kirkwynd,dunning, perthshire
james 28 farm servant
betsy 33
isabella 8
Alex 6
James 5
peter T 3
David 10 mths
1891 innerdunning cottage, Dunning, perth
James 40 farm servant newburgh
betsy 42
isabella B 17
peter 12
Mary Ann 8
Jessie 5
betsy 3
barbara 8 mths
Diddy
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there is a tree on A* - facts will need checking but gives:
Alexander Ritchie b. 1819 Auchtermuchty
d. 6/2/1892 Clunie
married Isabella baldie 15/6/1838 collessie
other children:
David 1839
William 1843
Alex 1846
Mary 1849
(James 1853)
james Ritchie( 1853) married Betsy Allan 24/5/1872 Dunning, perth. banns in the form of the United presprtyan Church
Diddy
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1851 census: Lumbenny, newburgh
Alexander Ritchie 32
isabella 32
David 12
William 8
Alex 5
mary 2
1841 census: muthill village, perth
Jean Ritchie 60
Allexander 20
isabella 18
Diddy
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Hello Wendy,
Yes, they are my Baldy/Bauldie/Baldie line. Isobel Baldy married Alexander Ritchie (born 1810 in Crieff). They had a son James born abt. 1851 in Newburgh died 1930 in Auchterader. It is through this line that I am tied. One of my stumbling blocks is the absence of a birth entry for James Ritchie and another is a difficulty in getting back further than Alexander Ritchie.
On the Baldie side I have been able to go back as follows:
John Baldie and Janet Black - married prior to 1674: I have no information on Janet Black.
David Baude b. 12 Aug 1683 St Andrews Fife,
Margaret Baldie b 06 Dec 1674 St Andrews Fife,
John Baldie b 24 Jun 1677 St Andrews Fife,
Elizabeth Baldie b 26 May 1680 St Andrews Fife
David Baude married Elizabeth Aitken on 09 Apr 1699 at Ceres, I am seeking information on Elizabeth Aitken's origins - she was born abt 1683 in Fife.
Davide Baude b abt. 1699 Fife,
Margaret Baude b 22 Jan 1703 Ceres Fife,
John Baude b 20 Dec 1705 Ceres Fife,
James Baldie b 17 Jun 1708 Ceres Fife,
Ronald Bauldie b 10 Sep 1710 Ceres Fife
David Baude (Jnr) married Margery Alison b abt. 1706 in Fife on 08 Dec 1722 at Ceres. I have no informtion on Margery Alison:
Robert Baldie b 10 Mar 1731 Ceres Fife,
George Baldie b 12 Jan 1735 Ceres Fife
Robert Baldie married Isobel Foramen b abt 1734 in Craig, Angus??? on 01 Jun 1764 at Ceres. I have no further information on Isobel Foramen.
John Baldy b 15 Jul 1767 Ceres Fife,
Marjory Baldie b 13 Jun 1765 Ceres Fife,
Margaret Baldie b 04 Nov 1769 Ceres Fife,
Mary Baldie b abt. 1772,
Isobel Baude b 06 Dec 1772 Ceres Fife,
David Baldie b 08 May 1777 Ceres Fife,
Agnes Baldie b abt 1785 Ceres Fife
John Baldy married Catherine Hean (no information on Catherine at all) on 08 Jan 1791 at Ceres Fife.
William Fernie Baldy b 07 Nov 1792 Largo Fife,
Robert Baldy b 04 Feb 1791 Largo Fife,
Catharine Baldy b 07 Nov 1792 Largo Fife
Which brings us back to William Fernie Baldy and Elizabeth Pride. I have no information on Elizabeth Pride.
Ideally I would like to track the female lines for which I mostly don't have much information on. Are you connected to the Baldy line?
Ian
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Hello Diddy,
Thanks for the info. Are you able to go back past Alexander Ritchie? I looked at James Ritchie and Jean Roy who married 14 Dec 1800 at Crieff but it doesn't feel right, or am I discounting the right line?
Ian
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only clues are the 1841:
jean ritchie 60
and the fact the 1861 has him born 1818 in Auchtermuchty.
i will have a look today. one of the other names that jumps out at me is Elizabeth Aitkin - i have Aitkin ancestors myself from that area.
Diddy
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Hi Ian, no I have no connections with family at all. just willing to help! ;)
have checked SP for Alexs birth/death no luck working around death date given on A* tree.
onward....
Diddy
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bit of info - found Isabellas death on SP:
Isabella Ritchie. widow of Alexander Ritchie, ploughman. deceased.
March 28th 1898 clunie, parish of Abernaethy. 80 years. general debility.
Father: Alexander Baldie, ploughman, decsd.
Mother; unknown
informant; neighbour.
confirms her date of birth and looks likely Alex died in Abernathy too before 1898.
Diddy
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Found him!! but don't get too excited:
Alexander Ritchie, ploughman,married to isabella baldie.
2nd June 1892 clunie Easter, parish of Abernethy. 71 yrs.senile decay
Father: unknown
mother:unknown
informant: david herd son in law, logie.
Sorry!!! doesn't help although confirms A* tree details so far.
Diddy
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Hi all,
Trying to trace Barbara Boyd born abt. 1826 ish to Peter Boyd and Elizabeth Crombie. Death certificate in 1905 states she was illegitimate. She had three children to George Allan, ploughman - children were Betsy Allan, Mary Ann Allan and Jessie Allan. It appears Barbara spent most if not all her years in Dunning as a washerwoman/charwomen/laundress. She appears to have been unmarried throughout her life. Betsy Allan married my great grandfather James Ritchie. Any information would be appreciated.
Ian
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Hi there
My mum was born at Roundlaw Trinity Gask Perthshire on the 9th July 1909,
she was 100 last week and still living.
Her mother was Barbara Richie
Cath
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Hello Cath,
My grandfather James Andrew Ritchie was born at Roundlaw Ploughman's Cottage, Trinit Gask in 1901. I have very little information about his brother's and sisters. His father had two wives, Betsy Allan (first wife) and Janet Ramsay (second wife). I believe the Barbara you refer to may be the Barbara born to James and Betsy in 1891. This would mean she is a half sister to my grandfather, and your mother is his niece making us cousins? I would like to take this further if I could in a more direct fashion. I am on (*)
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Hi Ian
Don’t get to excited.
I do not know much about the Richie family.
I only found out that my mum was born at Roundlaw Farm Trinity Gask
a few weeks ago (never heard of it before),, it was on her Birth Certificate,
which we had to show The Works and Pensions to get a Telegram from the Queen.
I just put Roundlaw Trinity Gask in Google and spotted that some one was looking for the Richie family.
My mums maiden was Isabella Richie Guthrie.
Her mother Barbara Richie (married name Barbara Guthrie)
she had one brother David Richie..
My mum thought her gran was called Isabella couldn’t remember her granddad’s name. (think William).
She said her mum (Barbara Richie) was born in Dunning.
My mum did say her Gran was married twice and she had step sisters but they went abroad and never kept in touch.
But I thought she said his surname was Brand ….at a 100 you forget.
I saw your e-mail address, but I when I came back a few hours later it had been deleted
for security reasons.
Remembered the last bit after @ ......... but not the first bit.
Cath
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Hi Cath,
Yes, I did get a bit excited. You are the first family on my granddad's side that I have made contact with. Having calmed down, this is how we are related:
Isabella Ritchie Guthrie born 1909 to Barbara Guthrie (nee Ritchie) and William Guthrie who married 6th July 1910. Barbara Guthrie (nee Ritchie) was born 1st August 1890 at Inverdunning, Dunning to Isabella Baldie Ritchie. Isabella had two children out of wedlock - Barbara and David Ritchie. Isabella subsequently married Henry Brand on the 4th January 1900. Your great grandmother Isabella was my grandfather James' half sister from their father's first marriage.
I havn't found evidence of a second marriage for Isabella prior to 1933 so I am not sure about that nor do I have any information regarding any Brand children from the marriage.
Hope to hear from you again soon.
Ian
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Hello Cath and Ian
My name is David Walker. I wonder if you could possibly help me. My father recently passed away and I only then learned that he had been adopted. His birth certificate shows his mother as Isabella Ritchie Guthrie born 9.7.09 in Auchterarder. His name was David Guthrie at birth. He was born in Glasgow on 4.11.31. I have since been trying to trace his family and my research ties in with yours and so I was very pleased and surprised to see this post. The other information I have researched ties in with what you have on this site including Isabella's parents/grandparents and her parents marriage certificate a year after Isabella was born. I am wondering if you were aware of my dad's birth and would be delighted to hear from you.
Thank you
David
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Hi David I have only just become aware of your post on rootschat and yes it has come as a surprise to learn of your father's birth and we were completely not aware of you, your father and family. Isabella Guthrie was my mother-in-law who as you say was born in Auchterader in 1909. She had four brothers, John, Peter, William and James. She married a Herbert Norris in Manchester in about 1940 and they had two daughters Barbara and Catherine. She lived to a good age of 103 years.
I hope this fills in a little more information about your father's birth mother.
Tom