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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: benzon on Sunday 15 February 09 09:35 GMT (UK)
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Looking for information on a children's home/residential school in Montcalmville, Quebec.
My grandfather's half sister, Honor Ward, went to Canada, married a John Edward Tingman who was a Canadian soldier sadly dying in 1909 leaving Honor with a young family to bring up. On the 1911 census I have found two sons, James Tingman and William Tingman at what looks like a children's home/residential school in Montcalmville, Quebec. The census isn't overly clear but my interpretation would be Finlay Home. Anyone out there any idea what sort of establishment this might have been. Both sons seem to have followed in their father's footsteps, so was this an establishment for children of soldiers ???
Just curious really, but any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Denise
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Hi Denise,
Not sure about the place in 1911, but did find James marrying Lily Maud in Nova Scotia in 1913.
https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/ItemView.aspx?ImageFile=1821-220&Event=marriage&ID=72232
Karen
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Looking at the 1911 Census for "Finlay Home" in Quebec, it seems to twin boys Cecil and Keith Tingman born 1901 and born in England.
I see James H. Tinghman was born c1893 in Toronto.
Karen
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The Keith and Cecil Tingman on the 1911 census appear to be brothers of James and William. I found the family listed as Eingman on the 1901 census with 7 children including twins Keith and Cecil. If you don't have it, here is a link to the image at Library and Archives Canada:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05l7/ (http://www.rootschat.com/links/05l7/)
In 1911, Honor is in the household of her daughter Fern and Fern's husband Joseph Blais in Quebec. None of Honor's other children are with them.
I did a google search and found a inquiry at Rootsweb like yours asking what Finlay Home was. The response given was it was an orphanage. Perhaps Honor wasn't able to look after the younger children after the death of her husband and gave or was forced to give them up. Have you found the other children on the 1911 census?
In case you don't have them, here are links to the Attestation Papers for:
James Havelock Tingman, born 4 Dec 1893 whose next of kin is listed as Lily Maud Tingman:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05l5/
William Tingman, born 29 Mar 1895 whose next of kin is listed as his mother, Mrs. Tingman who was living in Champlain, New York:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05l6/
Jacquie
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Thanks everyone
Have most of this info and have found William on the 1911. Not sure whether I was unable to find the others or didn't go that fair. Daughter's name was actually Verna. All children born Canada. Verna and family are in Champlain Down, Clinton NY in 1930 but no sign of Honor. A border crossing for son William in June 1943 suggests she was in Worcester, Mass where I think son Cecil died but cant find a death for Honor, although might be under the name of Elizabeth.
Forever amazed at the amount of help people on this site are prepared to give.
Thanks
Denise
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Knox, Patricia (Tingman) OBIT in Montreal gazette
http://www2.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=d19662de-c654-4075-a3bd-68211670be23
Only a few Tingman, a few still in the Eastern Provinces, a few in Que and some in Ontario...
If you want to drop a note... didn't seem to be any others on the censuses, so there's a good chance several if not all are yours....( they were transcribed correctly in 1911 on the AutoGen site but not in 1901
http://www.canada411.ca/search/si/1/tingman/-?src=c411
http://obit.genacadie.ca/view_obit_search.php?sort=id&obit_criterion=sadly
James (Jim) Tingman, age 70 born Montreal QC and living Moncton NB / Sept. 20 2001 (Times Transcript)
parents: Cecil TINGMAN & Mary RYAN ...
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Could I have a link to the 1911 for the orphanage, or as I need it for the orphanages resource page...
http://www.archive.org/stream/battleofplains00harpuoft/battleofplains00harpuoft_djvu.txt
The Flndlay Asylum is situated on the Ste. Foye Road, between De Salaberry Street and Maple Avenue. The institution sprang from very humble circumstances. The first donation towards its organization was eight hundred dollars "the orphan's mite" as it was called donated by a certain Miss Finlay to the Anglican Bishop of Quebec. The money was expended by the Bishop in the purchase of a cottage on Sutherland Street, near Mount Pleas-
ant; and, in 1861, a further donation of two thousand dollars, given by another lady, induced the Anglicans of Quebec to assist the Bishop in putting up the present building. The place, as at present organized, is a home for male orphans and indigent old men. It enjoys a comfortable endowment received from the Ross Bequest, and is conducted under the auspices of the rector and church wardens of the English Cathedral.
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William Francis born 1897 Toronto...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~births/Ti_Ty_Surnames.htm
well,you probably already saw John Edward Tingman was the only Tingman in 1881 as well...only 15...born in 1866 . Such a young lad to be here on his own already! http://www.rootschat.com/links/05lu/
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Did anyone ever find young Mable or Lillian Tingman in the 1911 census? I suppose the older ones may have been out on their own, but these were quite young ones ...J.J.
Link to Tingman query in U.S.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,313024.15.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,367360.0.html
Denis, you may be interested to know that a James Havelock Tingman signed up for service in the Royal Canadian Regiment in 1905 Quebec, so most likely related
http://regimentalrogue.com/rcr_great_war_soldiers/rcr_great_war_bermuda_roll_originals.html
Oh my gosh I see from Jacquie's reply that this was the son's name...Wouldn't he have only been twelve? Must have been his brother, then, I hope :-\?
Denise, I see that the Canadian Virtual War Memorial has nothing on John Edward...you should submit his information.
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Are you still interested in this thread. I am the son of Jim Tingman.
Just started looking into my roots.
Very new to this.
Rick
Knox, Patricia (Tingman) OBIT in Montreal gazette
http://www2.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=d19662de-c654-4075-a3bd-68211670be23
Only a few Tingman, a few still in the Eastern Provinces, a few in Que and some in Ontario...
If you want to drop a note... didn't seem to be any others on the censuses, so there's a good chance several if not all are yours....( they were transcribed correctly in 1911 on the AutoGen site but not in 1901
http://www.canada411.ca/search/si/1/tingman/-?src=c411
http://obit.genacadie.ca/view_obit_search.php?sort=id&obit_criterion=sadly
James (Jim) Tingman, age 70 born Montreal QC and living Moncton NB / Sept. 20 2001 (Times Transcript)
parents: Cecil TINGMAN & Mary RYAN ...
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Welcome to Rootschat, Rick. Benzon is still an active member so if she checks the "new replies to your posts" link she will see your post.
Jacquie
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I'm a granddaughter of John E H Tingman (grandson of John Tingman and Honor Ward), and I might be able to help you in your search. My great-aunt has a number of family documents.
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my grandmother was Honor Ward, my father is James Havelock Tingman & mother Florence Ryan. remember your mother & father, Jimmy and Simone.
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rick, Cecil was my dad's brother and Mary was my mother's sister.
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wonderful to have you meet...any personal messaging can now be done with 2 replies or more, just use the green scroll to message any information with names of the living, otherwise use first initial only if posting on here. If you make a mistake, the modify button will allow you to enter and change wording...
Welcome to rootschat! Enjoy. J.J.
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Just checking in really to say that this thread will always interest me. Had a pm from FloB this morning but would love to hear from anyone else. Honor Ward has been a bit of a mystery for sooooooooooooooooo long.
Thanks everyone xx
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Hi
James Havelock Tingman who died in 1976 was my grandfather...
Lorne
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Welcome to rootschat, Lorne!
Denise, did you ever find all seven Tingman/Ward children?
Child of Mabel (Elizabeth Tingman) Couture http://www.meaningfulfunerals.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=995987&fh_id=13484
Death for Keith Alexander Tingman 1974 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JKTD-8M3
Cecil Hamilton Tingman 1970 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VZY1-P7B
Lillian (Frances Tingman) Boucher ( wife of Joseph R. BOUCHER)
d. 24 Feb 1974, Worcester age 77y
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MAWORCES/2002-08/1030473076
son of above, i think? It says father Leo http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Keith-Boucher&lc=4478&pid=156834401&mid=5053468
Verna Leroy Tingman Blais has a "Dingman" nephew born England in household
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KQM5-VSM
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Clinton County N.Y. Maple Hill Cemetery at Rouses Point
Honor Tingman 1872-1934 http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/QUEBEC-RESEARCH/2012-11/1353371258
and is this the Dennis with Verna on the census? He was born Guildford, Surrey, Kent mother's surname James
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=tingman&GSiman=1&GScid=65194&GRid=58266026&
ah, yes, that's right... Jame's wife was Lily Maud James
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Thanks J.J.
Interesting link that shows where my Great Grandmother is resting. Turns out our family spent a few summers just down the road from this location and I never knew.
Still trying to trace the name past her husband John E. Tingman Born 1 Mar 1863. 1901 Census shows he immigrated in 1890 and was listed as being from England.
Thanks Again
Rick
Clinton County N.Y. Maple Hill Cemetery at Rouses Point
Honor Tingman 1872-1934 http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/QUEBEC-RESEARCH/2012-11/1353371258
and is this the Dennis with Verna on the census? He was born Guildford, Surrey, Kent mother's surname James
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=tingman&GSiman=1&GScid=65194&GRid=58266026&
ah, yes, that's right... Jame's wife was Lily Maud James
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The marriage registration for John Edward Tingman indicates he was born in Southport, Lancashire and his parents were James and Elizabeth Tingman.
The Southport, Christ Church, Lancashire parish records indicate John Edward Tingman, son of James and Sarah Elizabeth Tingman was baptized on 3 Jun 1866.
The 1881 England census for Birkdale, Lancashire has the following family:
James Tingman, 66, born Scotland, general agent
Sarah E. Tingman, 61*, born Guisborough, Yorkshire
Frances J. Tingman, 22, born Australia
William A. Tingman, 12, born Birkdale, Lancashire
Robert Tingman, 10, born Birkdale, Lancashire
*There is an "X" over her age. It could be 61 but it looks a little like 51 to me.
On the 1871 England census in Birkdale, Lancashire:
James Tingman, 55, born Scotland, accountant
Sarah E Tingman, 41, Guisborough, Australia
Mary E Tingman, 15, Melbourne, Australia
Francis J Tingman, 12, Gisborne, Australia
Henry H Tingman, 10, Big Hills, Australia
John E Tingman, 5, Southport, Lancashire
William A Tingman, 2, Southport, Lancashire
Robert Tingman, Under 1 Month, Southport, Lancashire
Lydia Turner, 13, born Newburgh, Lancashire, domestic servant
There is a marriage for a James Tingman and Sarah Elizabeth Walker in 1854 in Victoria, Australia that seems to fit this family.
It appears the family returned to Australia as there are deaths in the Australia Death database that match.
I can't find passenger lists for John coming to Canada. It is possible he may have left Canada and then returned since we seem to have him in Canada on the 1881 Canada census but he gave his immigration date as 1890 later.
Jacquie
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Thanks Jacquie,
I found James and Sarah (Nee Walker) and used that to trace back to his father John Tingman born in Fife Scotland in about 1785. I also found the same John in three 1841 through 1851 Census so I know he lived a long life for the times. It gets thin from there. I did find one note listing his father as John Tingman II but I'm not sure of the validity.
I appreciate the other information as it it helps fill in some blanks.
Best regards Rick in Canada.
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Hi! I just found this site. I read this with big interest. I am from Sweden (North Europe) and in Sweden there is only one Family with the name Tingman. But as i read here it seems your family line comes from Scotland/Australia. Think maybe we are not related but sure it is interesting, it is a rare name. best regards Gustav.
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Hello Gustav,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
There are only a few posts on RootsChat regarding Tingman's here is a link to the other one which might be of interest to you too.
Robert Turner and Verna Tingman
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=697847.msg5410853#msg5410853
Regards
Sarah