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Looking for family connections.
John HAMILTON, School Master,
Born: c1837, Place Unknown,
Married: 1862, Milford, Kennedies, Armagh, Ireland
Died: 1925, Milford, Kennedies, Armagh, Ireland (TBC)
Father: David HAMILTON, Farmer
Spouse: Elizabeth M LIVINGSTON(e), School Mistress, Post Office
Born: c1835, Place Unknown
Died: 19 Dec 1927, Milford, Kennedies, Armagh, Ireland (TBC)
Father: Thomas LIVINGSTON, School Master
David L HAMILTON
Born: 1864 at Milford, Kennedies, Armagh, Ireland
Lived: Armagh, Dublin, Scotland, London
Died: 1945 at Cambridgeshire, England
Spouses: Helen I BAGGE, Norah BAGNALL, Gertrude E MARSHALL
Boy HAMILTON
Born: 1866 at Kennedies, Armagh, reland
Died: Possibly Stillborn?
John G HAMILTON
Born: 1867 at Armagh, Armagh, Ireland
Lived: Armagh, Antrim, London, Tyrone
Died: 1925 at Dromore, Tyrone, Ireland
Spouse: Sarah/Sai M NICHOLSON
Boy HAMILTON
Born: 1869 at Milford, Kennedies, Armagh, Ireland
Died: Possibly Stillborn?
William HAMILTON
Born: 1870 at Milford, Kennedies, Armagh, Ireland
Lived: Armagh, Straits Settlements, Wales, Sussex
Died: 1953 at Brighton, Sussex, England
Spouse: Edith CR McINTYRE
Catherine A HAMILTON
Born: 1872 at Kennedies, Armagh, Ireland
Died: 1962
Spouse: William J TODD
Elizabeth D HAMILTON
Born: 1873 at Milford, Kennedies, Armagh, Ireland
Died: 1916 at Killylea, Tynan, Armagh, Ireland
Spouse: George R SMITH
Thomas JC HAMILTON
Born: 1875 at Kennedies, Armagh, Ireland
Died: 1953 at Belfast, Antrim, Ireland
Spouse: Ethel A CARDWELL
Samuel HAMILTON
Born: 1877 at Milford, Kennedies, Armagh, Ireland
Lived: Armagh, Georgia, USA
Died: Unknown
Surnames: Hamilton, Bagge, Bagnall, Marshall, Nicholson, McIntyre, Todd, Smith, Cardwell
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hamiltonhunt,
What was Thomas Livingston's occupation? It should be on Elizabeth's marriage cert. RosemaryJoan
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He was a school master.
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Elizabeth Mary LIVINGSTONE may have had a brother or uncle, John George LIVINGSTONE. He and a Jane ECCLES were witnesses at John and Eliza Mary's wedding in Armagh.
J
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In the hope that Thomas might still have been alive when Griffiths Valuation was taken, I have looked at all the Thomas's I could find
Thomas Livingston, Thomas Street,Belfast was a labourer
Thomas Livingston, Harry Street, Dublin - ?
Thomas, Dunnamona, Donacey, Co. Tyrone - ?
Thomas Livingston Hacknahay, Seagoe - ?
Thomas Levingston, Ballydugan, Tullylish, probably a weaver or farmer (mine were)
I know it's clutching at straws, but I suppose you have the 1901 census for Elizabeth Mary and John, since they stayed in the same place all their married lives. They would have declared their place of birth in the census.
Still thinking.
RosemaryJoan
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I know it's clutching at straws, but I suppose you have the 1901 census for Elizabeth Mary and John, since they stayed in the same place all their married lives. They would have declared their place of birth in the census.
1901 census only lists county of birth if born in Ireland.
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I didn't think the 1901 census was available. If it is, could you point me in the right direction.
Thanks
J
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1901 is eventually going to be added to National Archives, Dublin website after all 1911 is done (could be a while). In the meantime the 1901 census is available at certain places like PRONI, some local studies library collections (Ballymena Library have Co. Derry and Co. Antrim) or to order from your local LDS library.
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I searched for Lisnadill in the LDS Library and have come up with 5 films listed for 1901, do you know if there is any way to determine which film might cover Milford?
1901 DED 5/2-16, 17C, 18-22 808502 item 2
1901 DED 10/4-6, 808504 item 3
1901 DED 15/1-12, 808506 item 2
1901 DED 22/10-13, 808509
1901 DED 27/12-14, 808513
Also, can you tell me what the DED and the other numbers mean? I asked about DED at the FHC last time I was there and they didn't know.
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Just found that Eliza Mary signed the Ulster Covenant in 1912.
www.proni.gov.uk
got to Ulster Covenant
click on search the Covenant
put Eliza Mary Hamilton in the name boxes
in the address box put
Milford Armagh
You can view her actual signature
Sorry, I can't help with the DED but I am sure some kind soul will.
PRONI will send you a photocopy of the 1901 census
Probably the address Milford,Kennedies,Armagh would find them.
Just send them an email and they will eventually reply. RosemaryJoan
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D.E.D. = District Electoral Division
PRONI has help sheet to explain about 1901 census here:
www.proni.gov.uk/your_family_tree_series_-_02_-_1901_census.pdf
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Thanks Rosemary Joan
Isn't it exciting to see their actual signatures! I have found several family member's signatures on the Declaration and Covenant.
Thanks again
J
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Yes, it's really spooky to see the signature of relations long dead and who you never met.
We have my husband's grandfather's original copy of the Covenant signed by him. It's old and brown and printed on thick parchment.
RosemaryJoan
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Can anyone help determine which of the following LDS films I should order in for Milford, (Kennedies) Lisnadill? The PRONI census PDF didn't help. If I remember correctly, i need to refer to a booklet onsite, which I can't since i am in Canada.
I did send a request to PRONI in February but have not heard anything yet.
Thanks
J
Lisnadill Films listed from earlier posting:
1901 DED 5/2-16, 17C, 18-22 808502 item 2
1901 DED 10/4-6, 808504 item 3
1901 DED 15/1-12, 808506 item 2
1901 DED 22/10-13, 808509
1901 DED 27/12-14, 808513
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Hello Hamiltonhunt,
I visited the Irish & Local Studies library today in Armagh and i have found your relatives on the 1901 Census of Ireland under Milford. There were only 6 households under Kennedies but none of them Hamilton. However there was 101 households in Milford and one of them was your relations but only two of their children were recorded. The others must have left home by this date. The writing is difficult to decipher but the details on the form were as follow:-
No. on Form B _25__ Form completed 31st March 1901
John Hamilton, Head of House, Presbyterian, Age 63 ?65, School Teacher, Married, Born County Tyrone.
Eliza Mary Hamilton, Wife, Presbyterian, Age 64, Housekeeper, married, Born County Donegal.
William Hamilton, Son, Presbyterian, Age 30, School Teacher, Married, Born County Armagh.
Elizabeth D Hamilton, Presbyterian, Daughter, Age 27, School Teacher, Not married, Born County Armagh.
Minnie ? Shields, Servant, Roman Catholic, Age ?24, General Servant Domestic, Not married, Born County Armagh.
If you have any further queries perhaps you could contact the library i mentioned above. You can email them as follow
IrishandLocalStudies.SELB[at]librariesni.org.uk
They mentioned having a catalogue of National Schools in Ireland. Perhaps you could get further information about your family from this if the dates correspond. Also if you would like the 1901 Census print out of your relatives you could send me your postal address via a PM (Private Message) and i will send it to you.
Meantime happy family tree hunting.
Norh (In Armagh)
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Thank you so much Norh! I am so glad to know John and Eliza Mary's birthplaces.
I have been stuck at this point for a while. Had suspected Tyrone for John but had no idea for Eliza Mary so can narrow my search. Eliza's father's was Thomas LEVINGSTON/LIVINGSTON, teacher, so will ask Irish Local Studies about him as well. There seems to be a trend in the family....
I was surprised to see my ggf, William's name since he left in 1892 for Penang, Straits Settlements. He taught there until 1926, except for a stint during the war. Not sure why he was in Ireland at that point.
His sister, Katherine Agnes HAMILTON would be married to William John TODD in 1901, likely still in Milford. I understand she lived there, for most, if not all of her life.
A brother, Samuel HAMILTON's residence is listed as Keady, Armagh on a Ship's Passenger List in 1907 so he may show up on the 1901 Census there.
I am anxiously waiting for the Armagh 1911 Census to be released. The other sister on the census you found, Elizabeth D HAMILTON would be married to George Robert SMYTH/SMITH then, probably living in Milford or Portadown.
Thanks again and yes, I would really appreciate the printout, I will send you a PM with my address.
J.
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Another family member, John George LIVINGSTONE, may show up in Armagh in 1901, possibly in Portadown.
He and a Jane ECCLES show up at John & Eliza Mary's wedding as witnesses, he may be Eliza's brother/uncle? A possible John George, Merchant and Emigration Agent died in Portadown in 1902. Unfortunately, I lost a lot of my electronic reference files which probably indicated my source. Am trying to recover those files.
J
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So, Eliza Mary was born in Co. Donegal. I see Thomas Levingston in the Parish of Convoy in Griffiths Valuation. RosemaryJoan
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Hi Rosemary
Yes, I saw there were several Thomases. Now, I have to determine who his wife was. Eliza Mary was listed as Presbyterian on the 1901 Census so at least that narrows it down a bit. Slowly but surely....
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Hi again Jill,
I went to the cemetery and found your relatives grave. Its is a double grave with Todd adjoining. I see you have Todd surname in your family tree so copied the information also. Details as follow:-
HAMILTON
John Hamilton who died 27th June 1925 aged 87 years
His wife Elizabeth Mary died 19th December 1927 aged 92
Their grandson Robert Hamilton Todd L.D.S who died 24th August 1930 age 27
TODD
William John Todd, JP died 17 Nov 1938 aged 69 years
His wife Catherine died 7th Jan 1964 aged 92 years.
Another headstone was placed inside the Todd grave and on it was written:-
Gregory Reid died 28th Nov 1957
wife Winnifred died 18th June 1977
HAMILTON
A few graves along the same path was another Hamilton grave. Dont know if its a relative but i copied the details because of the name Thomas.
In loving memory of our dear mother
Margaret Hamilton died 27th Dec 1920
Also our dear father Thomas Hamilton who was interred Patterson USA.
Their daughter Sarah died 5th Feb 1933
Clara Hamilton died 22 March 1941 aged 67 years.
Hope this is very useful. Also Census in post to you today.
Noreen
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Oh Noreen, Thank you!! Roots Chat members are unbelievable. I so appreciate you going out of your way to help me in my quest, I am grinning ear to ear....
Can you tell me the name/location of the Cemetary? I don't know if it's possible to take some pictures, that would be a bonus. My goal is to get there in person, but in the meantime, I'll enjoy it in my mind's eye.
Yes, Catherine Agnes TODD is their daughter's married name, so you've helped fill in a few more bricks....
I don't know if the last Hamilton grouping is related until I know more about John's parents/siblings but I suspect they might be, it's just a matter of finding the pieces. Right now, all I know is that John's Father's name was David and he was a farmer, born in Tyrone. I don't have any information at all about his siblings.
John and his family were very close to the McCrum's of Milford. I understand there are some pictures of them in the Milford House Museum. I've been in touch with Stephen McManus from the Museum and am purchasing the book they produced on Milford. I am anxiously awaiting its arrival!
Have a great day, you have definitely made mine!!!
Jill
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Hi Jill,
The cemetery is at Rock Rd just outside Armagh City. Its quite close to where i live so it was not a big deal to check it out for you. I did not think i would find the grave so easily therefore did not have the camera with me. However ill go back again, take photos and email them to you. When you come to Armagh ill drive you to the cemetery.
Im happy to have made your day a good one. If there are any other contacts you want me to follow up dont hesitae to ask.
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Hi Noreen
Does the cemetery have a name? I found a website that describes Armagh Walks and they don't name it.
http://www.mulelia.net/emigratie/armagh/city.html
If you don't mind, I'll give you locations and if you could take pictures, that would be great. I'll send a PM with a family pic. Not sure of date but their children likely travelled a distance: David Livingstone, London; William (my ggf), Penang; Thomas James Canterbury, Belfast; Elizabeth Davidson, Tynan?; and Samuel, Savannah, Georgia, USA. I think John George and Catherine Agnes were in Armagh City and Milford. I think William went to Penang ~1892, Samuel to USA ~1907 (from ship's lists). Although, it appears both travelled back, from time to time.
Stephen McManus from Manor House Museum tells me John & Eliza Mary lived on __ Hill Street. He knows which house. John was Schoolmaster at Milford National School. Eliza Mary was a teacher when married, later was post mistress out of the front parlour in their Hill Street home.
Catherine/ Katherine Agnes and William John TODD lived in Milford, location unknown. The cemetery indicates JP, Justice of Peace?, I thought he was a merchant/grocer although there were two possibilities so I may have the wrong one. Will have to backtrack to check. Katherine taught at Milford National School as well.
I think their daughter, Mary Winnifred and husband, Gregory REID lived in Milford as well. Not sure about their son, Robert Hamilton REID. I found reference to him as a dentist on a couple ship's lists, not sure where. Cemetery indicated LDS, maybe a Licensed Dental Surgeon? I think Winifred may have also been a teacher.
It is amazing, when my father died in Jan 2008, I didn't know anything. Mind you, I have been obsessed with finding out, at great cost, dollars, sleep, emotions, health etc......
Again, thanks for all your help.
J
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Jill,
I dont know the cemetery name but ill make a few enquiries and get back to you. (Known locally as simply the Presbyterian Cemetery Rock RD) The web site you mentioned gives a perfect description of how to get to the cemetery where your relatives are buried.
Talk soon. Noreen
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Hi again,
William J Todd was a native of Castlederg, Co Tyrone and came to Milford at the request of RG Mc Crum. After marrying Catherine Hamilton they ran the corner shop Milford.
Noreen
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Thanks.
That was the alternate fellow I had found. I had his birthdate from Emerald Ancestors as 4 Mar 1869, Castleberg, Tyrone, his parents were Robert TODD and Jane STEWART. I no longer have a subscription but see from IFHF that they were likley married in 1865 in Tyrone. Will have to investigate that more. (Trying to watch the expenditures).
Have you seen anything that mentions what the initials JP stand for after his name on the gravestone? I did find that LDS means Licentiate in Dental Surgery, which is basically what I thought.
Passenger Ships Lists have been an incredible source on my family, it appears everyone travelled quite a bit. Between UK, Canada, US, Penang, South Africa, Australia, you name it. Catherine and William Todd's son took a trip around the world, that's how I found out he had studied dentistry. So far, I haven't found anyone still in Ireland. I sure hope there still is some family there.
J
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hi,
william todd j.p.(loughmacrody) was a magistrate who presided on the petty sessions court in carrickmore,tyrone, in 1910. there is also a william todd,loughmacrody, listed as a farmer so possibly they are the same person. i hope this helps a bit and doesn't confuse you instead :)
tony
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J.P. stands for Justice of the Peace, a position often held by private individuals who presided at local Petty Sessions. They were not Judges. RosemaryJoan
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william todd j.p.(loughmacrody) was a magistrate who presided on the petty sessions court in carrickmore,tyrone, in 1910. there is also a william todd,loughmacrody, listed as a farmer so possibly they are the same person.
i should have added the source;
http://www.libraryireland.com/UlsterDirectory1910/Carrickmore.php
i keep forgetting to do that :)
tony
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Hi,
Robert Todd married Jane Stewart in Ardstraw Church of Ireland, Strabane on27 Nov 1865.
Regards
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Thank you.
How do you do that so quickly? Does there happen to be any mention of family or witnesses?
J
P.S. So now Strabane enters the picture.... I always thought it would somehow.
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Thank you Tony and RosemaryJoan
I was so thrilled to see the response from Kingerswell, I didn't notice yours as well.
I am also looking for Stewart TODD, grocer. I suspect a family relationship to my William John TODD, JP, grocer. I found a couple references to wills (Robert Todd) where moneys were left to a Samuel and William TODD, grocers. There is a Samuel TODD buried at the same Armagh Rock Road cemetery as William and his wife, his death year was 1890. I hope he was an uncle otherwise he likely had a very short life.
J
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Hi Jill
My name's Ali and I live in the UK, My GGGF was also John Hamilton and GGGM Eliza Mary Livingstone, my GGF was Reverend John George Hamilton, his son was Alan Livinstone Hamilton who was my grandfather who lived outside Dublin and was a bank manager, his wife was Helen Farrell, their daughter is Doreen Helen Mary who is my mum.
So it would seem we are related! :)
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Hi Ali
We're definitely related!! My gggf, William, John George's brother, was a schoolmaster in Penang, Straits Settlements for 34 years. His wife Edith, died just before his retirement in 1927, they had five children. William retired to England and Wales.
My gf, William Samuel, was a mining engineer in Ontario and British Columbia, he died in 1960 and my gm, Trix lost touch with the UK family in the mid 70s.
Please give your mother our love and I will send you a personal message to exchange information.
Jill
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New members generally need to make 3 posts before using PM (personal message) system.
See Help-Page: www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
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Hi Ali
Tried to send you a personal message but until you have made three posts, I can't do that.
In the meantime, can you tell me where Sarah Marion Nicholson, John George HAMILTON's wife died? I have a death date of 7 Jun 1935 but no location.
Regards
J
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Hi Jill
I think Sarah Marion died in Belfast but I'll double check this with my mum, I know it was Northern Ireland anyway.
Regards
Ali
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Hi Jill
Received your PM, thanks.
Ali
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Hello, I came across this website accidentally and saw references to my great grandmother, Katherine Hamilton Todd, and her daughter, my grandmother, Winifred Mary Todd (married to Gregory Reid). I may have information which could be helpful to you; My father (now deceased) is the third child of Winifred and Gregory; if you have any questions, please write and I will try to find out. Katherine owned 'corner house' in Milford. I remember the corner shop, which I believe was also a post office at one time.
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Hi Noreen
Does the cemetery have a name? I found a website that describes Armagh Walks and they don't name it.
http://www.mulelia.net/emigratie/armagh/city.html
If you don't mind, I'll give you locations and if you could take pictures, that would be great. I'll send a PM with a family pic. Not sure of date but their children likely travelled a distance: David Livingstone, London; William (my ggf), Penang; Thomas James Canterbury, Belfast; Elizabeth Davidson, Tynan?; and Samuel, Savannah, Georgia, USA. I think John George and Catherine Agnes were in Armagh City and Milford. I think William went to Penang ~1892, Samuel to USA ~1907 (from ship's lists). Although, it appears both travelled back, from time to time.
Stephen McManus from Manor House Museum tells me John & Eliza Mary lived on __ Hill Street. He knows which house. John was Schoolmaster at Milford National School. Eliza Mary was a teacher when married, later was post mistress out of the front parlour in their Hill Street home.
Catherine/ Katherine Agnes and William John TODD lived in Milford, location unknown. The cemetery indicates JP, Justice of Peace?, I thought he was a merchant/grocer although there were two possibilities so I may have the wrong one. Will have to backtrack to check. Katherine taught at Milford National School as well.
I think their daughter, Mary Winnifred and husband, Gregory REID lived in Milford as well. Not sure about their son, Robert Hamilton REID. I found reference to him as a dentist on a couple ship's lists, not sure where. Cemetery indicated LDS, maybe a Licensed Dental Surgeon? I think Winifred may have also been a teacher.
It is amazing, when my father died in Jan 2008, I didn't know anything. Mind you, I have been obsessed with finding out, at great cost, dollars, sleep, emotions, health etc......
Again, thanks for all your help.
J
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Hello delganey
Nice to hear from you, I sent you a personal message and look forward to touching base.
Was your grandfather Billy? I have three (possibly four) children for Gregory and Winifred: Darryl, Elizabeth, William (and Henry?). The fourth child is questionable.
Did some of these relatives immigrate to Canada? I've run across some ship's passenger records that suggest that.
Regards
J
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Richard Todd the actor who died last year had a grandfather Andrew that reportedly was born in Castlederg; so perhaps you are cousins to him.
Were there any male descendants of your William Todd or the John Todd the dentist?
Richard
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Dear Hamilton Hunt,
Do you know anything about the William J Todd that married Catherine Hamilton.
I'm curious about this Todd because I didn't think there were any Todds near Keady at that late date.
Richard Mcmurtry
Los Gatos CA
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Hello mcmurtry
I haven't found a connection to Richard TODD, not to say there isn't one.
William John TODD and Catherine 'Kate' HAMILTON had two children, Mary Winifred Hamilton TODD and Robert Hamilton TODD.
Mary W H TODD married Gregory REID in Portadown, and had three children, I think the oldest two immigrated to Canada with their families. After Gregory's death in 1957, Winifred moved near Belfast to live with her youngest son, Billy's family and died there in 1977. I haven't had any luck locating the family in Canada although I do have some names.
Robert Hamilton TODD, the dentist, was single when he died in Belfast in 1927 so no descendants there.
William John TODD, became quite involved with Armagh, Armagh District Council; Armagh Rural Council; Secretary, Aghavilly Farmers Association; Masonic Order and Board of Governors of RG McCrum Institute. He was also Justice of Peace.
Will have to take another look to see if I have anything more but am going to be out of town for a week.
J
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Here's what I have on the Castlederg co Tyrone Todds;
7. Castlederg, Co Tryone
John Todd
Robert Todd 1842 per census md 1865 Ardstraw to Jane Stuart
William John b 1869 Castlederg md Catherine Hamilton 1899
Mary Winifred 1900
Robert Hamilton Todd 1903-1927
Margaret Todd b 1867 Carnkenny, Ardstraw or castlederg
Rebecca Todd b 1871 Newtonstewart
Mary Jane b 1874 Newtonstewart
Robert A. b 1879 Carnkenny/1881/1883 Co Tyrone md Elizabeth md 1904
Emily L 1905
Eliza Jane 1906
Wilhilmina1908
Catherine Agnes 1911
Ellen Jane b 1880 Carnkenny
William Todd md Elizabeth White
Margaret 1866 CAstlederg
Isabella 1870 CAstlederg
Alexander Todd 1858-1913 Castlederg District
Alexander Todd 1847-1918 CAstlederg District
Alexander Todd md 1881 Strabane
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Do I understand it correctly that William John Todd and CAtherine had no grandsons?
Richard
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I am part of the family in Canada. I am the eldest son of Darrell Reid (there are 6 of us, although only 5 left now). I am in Canada right now for a family birthday but live in England near Maidenhead, Berks. My aunty Betty as we knew her, has died, but lived in Montreal. I am not in touch wth her children and grandchildren but can get more info. I also am in touch with a branch of the family in West Australia. He is a brother of Patrick Hamilton who lived in Wimbledon and was a good collector of info about the family but is now dead.
My father died on Dec 11, 2002 but my mother is still alive. I can get dates and names but will need to do a little research with my mother.
I knew my grandmother (Winifred) and used to write to her in Ireland when I was young. I also met her mother who we knew as Gran Todd. I know Uncle Billy is now dead but have just found the email address of one of his daughters who lives in Montreal. Uncle Billy did live in London for a time and was there in 19797 when I moved to the UK. His wife is still alive and is back in N Ireland.
I have never been much in touch with my cousins for various reasons so am not sure of names etc but do have an email address as I said. My father often talked about his Uncle who lived in Penang as did the relative in Ausralia.
This is my first time on here as a brother found the posting so hopefully this message will get through!
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Hi Daniel Reid descendant,
Thanks for your response!
My interest in this family is related to a DNA project I'm doing in which I've recruited dna samples from 10 Irish Todd families and 10 Scottish Todd families to see if we can tell which families are related to each other and where in Scotland the Irish Todds came from.
So that's why I asked if the Todd name has died out in your family.
PS: O find rootschat very confusing, but sometimes messages do get received!
Richard
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Hello pcreid
We're related, as third cousins! I'm a ggchild of William HAMILTON, who lived in Penang. I've been researching the family for years and have quite a bit of information from our gggparents in Milford, Armagh down. I have some info/theories further back but am still researching...
I'd discovered your father had died and am sorry to hear that one of your siblings has also passed away. And that Betty had died, I was trying to locate her. I thought she might be in Ontario. Do you know when she died? And if her husband is still living? I've been in contact with several other third cousins, in Canada, England and New Zealand. None in Ireland, it seems that most have left for other locales.
My grandfather was in Ontario, then BC, his siblings were in Ontario, England, Wales, Venezuela, West Indies, Trinidad, Barbados, Georgia, Florida and Belfast.
J
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Hi pc
When did you move to England? You mentioned your uncle Billy was in London for a time, was that Winifred's son? I thought he died in 1995. I assumed he had died in Co Antrim since that was the only location I had for him, but that may not be the case. I know that Winifred lived with his family after leaving Armagh. They were the part of the family I thought might still be in Ireland.
J
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Ethel Cardwell who married Thomas Hamilton was my great Aunt. Born 1875, she was of Tullyelmer House, Armagh - a farmer's daughter. Do you know if they had any children? Would be grateful for the date of marriage if you knew it.
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Ethel Cardwell who married Thomas Hamilton was my great Aunt. Born 1875, she was of Tullyelmer House, Armagh - a farmer's daughter. Do you know if they had any children? Would be grateful for the date of marriage if you knew it.
Is this your Ethel and Thomas in 1911 census? if so, 2 children born before 1911 & married 10 years:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/Lisburn_Road/169496
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Civil registration index- marriage: Ethel Annie Cardwell Apr./June 1900 Belfast registration district volume 1 page 395
Thomas James C. Hamilton on same page
Here in 1901 census:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Louth/St__Laurence_Gate/Dublin_Road/1568777
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Children:
Maureen Ethel Patricia Hamilton Jan./Mar.1902 Drogheda civil registration district volume 2 page 397
Douglas Jan[?] Kenneth Hamitlon Oct./Dec.1904 Rathdown civil registration district volume 2 page 787
This may also be of interest:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/NIR-ARMAGH/2008-10/1225321822
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Hi Scotschap
It's great to hear from you...
As Aghadowey said, Thomas and Ethel had two children, Maureen and Douglas, both of whom have passed away.
Thomas and Ethel married 5 June 1900 at Rosemary St Presbyterian Church, in Belfast. Both died in Belfast, Thomas 1 Nov 1953 at the Royal Victoria Hospital and Ethel on 13 Mar 1965 at Maureen's home. They're supposed to be buried together at F70 Knockbreda Cemetary but I haven't been able to obtain a picture. I'm half the world away.
Sadly, they are two of the very few of my Irish family that remained in Ireland. I'd love to learn anything you can tell me about Ethel and Thomas. I do have a couple pictures of Thomas but none of Ethel.
I think their son, Douglas died in 1972 but am not certain, and believe Maureen died in 2002.
As for Ethel's family, I found her father's will online at PRONI. I'll let you find it yourself, that's half of the fun but let me know if you want my help.
Look forward to hearing from you. Rootschat is a wonderful resource, everyone is extremely helpful!!
Jill
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Thank you both very much for your prompt help. This fills in another gap in my family tree. I will look for a picture of Ethel but am not very optomistic although I have pictures of my Grandmother and their youngest sister, Edith. I have just started researching the Cardwell side of my family having spent the last 4 years doing my maternal side with many visits to PRONI!
Regards to you both.
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It looks to me like William J. Todd b 1869 is descended from one branch of the family of Robert Todd b abt 1770 who married Isabella Love.
Robert and Isabella are thought to be the parents of
Alexander Todd b 1795 the ancestor of Richard Todd the actor
John Todd b 1800 the father of Robert Todd who married Jane Stewart in 1865 and the grandfather of William J. Todd.
Margaret Todd b 1814 md John Patterson died 1892 Mt Keira, New South Wales
William Love Todd b 1817 d 1908 md Elizabeth White
A descendant of William Love Todd b 1817 has done DNA testing and shown to have the same DNA pattern as the Todds who settled in Co Down in the 1600s and the Todds who lived in Coleraine and Dunluce in the early 1700s and a Todd family that lived in Ayrshire. Many branches of the original family came to America in the 1700s and 1800s.
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Jill. Sadly I can't find a photo of Ethel but I did discover that Thomas Hamilton was the linen factory manager running the factory at Tullyelmer. The factory, not then owned by the Cardwells was about 300 yards from the house. Thomas advertised terrier puppies for sale giving the Tullyelmer factory as his address on 30th Augusr 1899. I suspect this is where they met and as you know they were married a year later. Hope this is of interest.
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Thanks for that little tidbit.
It's always interesting to try to figure out how the families intersected.
J
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Ethel Cardwell who married Thomas Hamilton was my great Aunt. Born 1875, she was of Tullyelmer House, Armagh - a farmer's daughter. Do you know if they had any children? Would be grateful for the date of marriage if you knew it.
HI
My name is Van Lian from Burma (Myanmar) currently working as a civil Engineer in the UK. I am doing a research for the Chin Hill Battalion. One day, a WW2 veteran from India told me that he has Lt.Col Allyen Cardwell Moore belonging and he would like to return it to his relatives in the UK. The item is a sort of gong which Lt.Col Moore presented it to the Chin Hills Battalion in 1936 which he commanded at that time. The veteran is now 95 years old and he was desperate to return this to the relative of Lt.Col Moore.
I went to the British Library and find out about him. “Lt Col Alleyn Cardwell Moore, (1898-1983). 1st commission: 18/04/1916, Assistant Commandant, Chin Hills Battalion (later 3 Chin Rifles), Burma Frontier Force, 1925-1929; Officer Commanding Military Police, Naga Hills Expedition, 1928; Commandant, Chin Hills Battalion, 1932-1934, 1937-1942, transferred to the Indian Army 18/04/1942".
He returned in the UK after WW2 and he was appointed as High Sherrif for Co. Armagh for the year of 1958 which I can find on THE BELFAST GAZETTE, 3rd JANUARY, 1958. On this, His Excellency the Governor of Northern Ireland has been pleased to appoint the under mentioned gentlemen to the Office of High Sheriff of the following counties in Northern Ireland: — Lieut.-Colonel Alleyn Cardwell Moore. Tullyelmer House, Armagh, Co. Armagh.
I can find Lt.Col Moore on 1911 Irish Census. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=false&census_year=1911&surname=Moore&firstname=Alleyn&county19011911=Armagh&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&barony=&parish=&ward=&townland=&houseNumber=&familyId=&ded=&age=13&sex=M&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=#searchmore
On your post you are talking about Tullyelmer and Ethen Cardwall and I thought this might be related. I would like to think that Lt.Col Alleyn C Moore took his middle name from Ethen Cardwall? I wonder if you could help.
Regards
Van Cung Lian
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Ethel Cardwell who married Thomas Hamilton was my great Aunt. Born 1875, she was of Tullyelmer House, Armagh - a farmer's daughter. Do you know if they had any children? Would be grateful for the date of marriage if you knew it.
HI
My name is Van Lian from Burma (Myanmar) currently working as a civil Engineer in the UK. I am doing a research for the Chin Hill Battalion. One day, a WW2 veteran from India told me that he has Lt.Col Allyen Cardwell Moore belonging and he would like to return it to his relatives in the UK. The item is a sort of gong which Lt.Col Moore presented it to the Chin Hills Battalion in 1936 which he commanded at that time. The veteran is now 95 years old and he was desperate to return this to the relative of Lt.Col Moore.
I went to the British Library and find out about him. “Lt Col Alleyn Cardwell Moore, (1898-1983). 1st commission: 18/04/1916, Assistant Commandant, Chin Hills Battalion (later 3 Chin Rifles), Burma Frontier Force, 1925-1929; Officer Commanding Military Police, Naga Hills Expedition, 1928; Commandant, Chin Hills Battalion, 1932-1934, 1937-1942, transferred to the Indian Army 18/04/1942".
He returned in the UK after WW2 and he was appointed as High Sherrif for Co. Armagh for the year of 1958 which I can find on THE BELFAST GAZETTE, 3rd JANUARY, 1958. On this, His Excellency the Governor of Northern Ireland has been pleased to appoint the under mentioned gentlemen to the Office of High Sheriff of the following counties in Northern Ireland: — Lieut.-Colonel Alleyn Cardwell Moore. Tullyelmer House, Armagh, Co. Armagh.
I can find Lt.Col Moore on 1911 Irish Census. http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=false&census_year=1911&surname=Moore&firstname=Alleyn&county19011911=Armagh&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&barony=&parish=&ward=&townland=&houseNumber=&familyId=&ded=&age=13&sex=M&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=#searchmore
On your post you are talking about Tullyelmer House and I thought this might be related. I wonder if you could help.
Regards
Van Cung Lian
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Hello Van Lian.
My name is Patrick Cardwell Moore and I am the son of Lt. Col Alleyn Cardwell Moore who died in 1983. I am extremely interested in your post read today. I visited Burma in 1996 but was unable to visit Falam. However I did see the hospital where I was born in 1941 in Maymo! I have a large collection of photographs and records to do with the Chin Hills Battalion including an early history up to 1945 which might interest you. Please get in touch, I would very much like to meet you.
Regards
Patrick Cardwell Moore
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Hello Van Lian.
My name is Patrick Cardwell Moore and I am the son of Lt. Col Alleyn Cardwell Moore who died in 1983. I am extremely interested in your post read today. I visited Burma in 1996 but was unable to visit Falam. However I did see the hospital where I was born in 1941 in Maymo! I have a large collection of photographs and records to do with the Chin Hills Battalion including an early history up to 1945 which might interest you. Please get in touch, I would very much like to meet you.
Regards
Patrick Cardwell Moore
Hallelluyah .... Thank you so mcuh. I am actually from Falam. I was born and bred in Falam and came to UK 8 years a go. I lived there all my life. Will you be able to give me your email address. It is a chin hill battalion seal, gong sth like. On it, your father's name is printed.
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Hi Scotschap
It's great to hear from you...
As Aghadowey said, Thomas and Ethel had two children, Maureen and Douglas, both of whom have passed away.
Thomas and Ethel married 5 June 1900 at Rosemary St Presbyterian Church, in Belfast. Both died in Belfast, Thomas 1 Nov 1953 at the Royal Victoria Hospital and Ethel on 13 Mar 1965 at Maureen's home. They're supposed to be buried together at F70 Knockbreda Cemetary but I haven't been able to obtain a picture. I'm half the world away.
Sadly, they are two of the very few of my Irish family that remained in Ireland. I'd love to learn anything you can tell me about Ethel and Thomas. I do have a couple pictures of Thomas but none of Ethel.
I think their son, Douglas died in 1972 but am not certain, and believe Maureen died in 2002.
As for Ethel's family, I found her father's will online at PRONI. I'll let you find it yourself, that's half of the fun but let me know if you want my help.
Look forward to hearing from you. Rootschat is a wonderful resource, everyone is extremely helpful!!
Jill
I am Maureen's son John. I have just signed up to this forum so still coming to terms with it. I have a lot of information on Thomas and Ethel including photographs of the whole family.
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Hi John
Welcome to the forum!
It is great to hear from a family member! Thomas and Ethel were witnesses at my grandparents wedding in Newtownards, Co Down in 1922 and immigrated to Canada a few years later.
Look forward to exchanging information and pictures with you!
Jill
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Thanks Jill
I need a few posts before we can PM.