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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: lizb on Tuesday 17 February 09 18:37 GMT (UK)
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Thankyou for the passenger list look-ups on this site. They have enabled me to bridge a gap in my family history.
I had been looking for clues to finding members of my family in New Zealand for a while. My grandfather talked of having relatives there. Then I found a 1939 obituary referring to 'a sister in New Zealand.' There were 8 sisters so I had to look for them all - not knowing if they married before or after sailing. But eventually I found the family I wanted - and two sisters.
They travelled to Aukland on the Lauderdate arriving 30 Jan 1874.
The family consisted of
Walter Frankham age 33
Elizabeth Frankham age 33
Albert Frankham age 9
Amy Frankham age 7
Charles Frankham age 3
Edith Frankham age 6
Walter James Frankham age 11
Deborah Bishop age 23 (Elizabeth's sister)
I am keen to find out what happened to this family in New Zealand - especially Elizabeth and Deborah.
Does anyone have any knowledge of the family or any advice on how I should proceed next.
Thank you for any help
Liz
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Hi Lizb ;D
Found these marriages, luckily not many Frankhams.
Amy Alice Frankham
Arthur Wood - 1886 Folio 0116
Charles Henry Frankham
Minnie Walsh - 1896 Folio 2511
Edith Frankham
George Hamon Blampied - 1886 Folio 1876
Walter James Frankham
Mary Louisa Williams - 1885 Folio 2980
Deborah Bishop
Charles Gribble - 1880 Folio 1520
Unfortunately info does not mention where married.
Good luck with your search. ;)
Kimberly
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;D
The Frankham name features on this website as well:-
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast
Happy Hunting
Kimberly
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Search here and you will find some burials
http://0-www.aucklandcity.govt.nz.www.elgar.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/cemeteries/cemetery.html
a Deborah Gribble buried there also
Bye
Althea
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Hi Liz
Archives New Zealand (Auckland office) hold the following probate record.
GRIBBLE - Deborah - Widow - Auckland - 1925
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/
Lu
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Hi,
Walter James Frankham is buried at Waikumete Cemetery
http://www.waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/default.aspx
Hope this helps.
Cheers
KHP :)
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George Hamon Blampied
The name Blampied triggered my memory. I grew up knowing a Blampied family that lived in the street behind us on the Shore many many years ago.
This Blampied was born about 1892. But he might not be a descendant of the above, but a different Blampied family.
Cheers
KHP :)
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Hi Liz :)
Charles Henry Frankham listed as Timber Merchant
Walter James Frankham listed as Accountant
No listings on Electoral Roll 1893, wonder why? any of you more experienced RC's got any ideas or am I having a senior moment! ??? Perhaps they weren't naturalised?
Kimberly
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Hi Kimberly & Liz
No listings on Electoral Roll 1893, wonder why? any of you more experienced RC's got any ideas or am I having a senior moment! ??? Perhaps they weren't naturalised?
Mmmm ... 1893 E/roll ... perhaps the surname was mis-spelt on roll ? (Frankham is quite an unusual name) ???
They appear to have been British subjects, so "naturalisation" wouldn't have been an issue.
[Marriage - SEP 1861 - FREE BMD (UK)
Walter FRANKHAM - Elizabeth BISHOP - reg'd Clifton (Gloucestershire) ].
Lu
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Hi Lu & Liz ;D
Good thinking.....tried soundex and nah that didn't work either.... :-\
Even Deborah Gribble isn't on there ..... ???
Kimberly
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Hi Kimberly :)
Perhaps then, they just weren't the voting types. ??? :D
[I'm not really sure either, if there might be sections of info missing from those 1893 rolls ?]
Lu
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Hi,
Charles Henry & Minnie Frankham's son ...... there is a picture of him
http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/cenotaph/RecordDetail.aspx?OriginalID=5114&SearchID=1438353&Ordinal=2
At that time the parents were living at Jervois Rd, Auckland
Cheers
KHP :)
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Well KHP aren't you the smart one 8)
Well spotted ;D
Kimberly
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Well KHP aren't you the smart one 8)
Well spotted ;D
Kimberly
Thought it was a try .....
There is another Frankham ...... a son of W Frankham ..... of Devonport who served in the Anglo-Boer War 1899-1902. A possibility ??? ???
See Post #15
Cheers
KHP :)
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Hi Liz :)
Charles Henry Frankham listed as Timber Merchant
Walter James Frankham listed as Accountant
No listings on Electoral Roll 1893, wonder why? any of you more experienced RC's got any ideas or am I having a senior moment! ??? Perhaps they weren't naturalised?
Kimberly
Did you need to be naturalised to vote? or have the regulations changed in recent years.
Alan NZ
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Forgot to post the other Frankham from the Musuem :-[
http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/cenotaph/RecordDetail.aspx?OriginalID=17309&SearchID=1438418&Ordinal=1
Even gives the date the Obituary was in the paper.
Cheers
KHP :)
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KHP :D
Very glad you posted that website....as I found my Gr Grandad and Gr Uncle who served in the Anglo Boer War, ..... 8).
;D ;D
Kimberly
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Kimberly,
You are welcome. Its a great site.
The above Frankham was born 3 June 1878. Was admitted to Devonport School on the 12 Nov 1889 and last day was 24 Feb 1893.
But is he the same Frankham family that is being searched?
Cemetery is : Albany Cemetery Australia
Cheers
KHP
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Thank you all for this marvellous additional information. I have been stuck on the New Zealand connection for a while and now it is all falling into place. I have spent a happy hour searching websites and am looking forward to adding additional members to my tree.
Just to add to the debate on the 1893 electoral roll. I had found Elizabeth Frankham in the 1891 English census staying with her sister Jane Marsh in Wellington, Somerset, England. it is possible others of her family were also in the UK - I will have alook. One of the newspaper references showed a Frankham returning to NZ in May 1893 so I will check to see if Ican find a passenger list to match this. If they were in the UK this long they would have missed being on the roll.
Elizabeth and Deborah were born in Wellington, Somerset. The family story was that family had gone to Wellington, New Zealand. I attach a photo of their father William Bishop who died in 1878.
Liz
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Hi Liz ;D
Well....I'm glad things are working out and that all the info we all supplied has helped...thanks for the picture....it isn't often we see these little gems. ;)
Keep going.....what else can you find out 8) 8) 8) 8)
Kimberly
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Hi Liz
WOW ! Mr. William BISHOP was a handsome fellow. :)
Just had a look at "ancestorsonboard" for your people returning to New Zealand. Couldn't see anybody really who fitted the bill ?
But travelling to Australia is >
FRANKHAM, J. (Male) - born 1869
London to Adelaide, Australia in 1893 ??
[Also, London to Adelaide in 1890 is a Geo. FRANKHAM (born 1873) ... maybe related to the J. Frankham above ??]
Lu
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I suppose two years was a bit of a long visit! Your passenger list info is brilliant - I wish we had equivalent to pick up this end. However, there is some info on Ancestry and FIndmy past site which I shall look at when I next sort access.
Regarding the J Frankham - when I was going through the Frankham burials I found a couple of names I could not account for - one of them was a JOhn Frankhamborn about 1861 so it could be him. I will check Frankham family in England for John and George
That's put paid to any housework today anyway!
Liz
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Hi again Liz
Pretty sure there is an equivalent list - "passengers arriving in the UK" ... and that someone else on here will be able to give you the web link for it.
Lu
That's put paid to any housework today anyway!
PS : Liz ... we only do genealogy, so we DON'T have to do the housework ! ! ;) ;D
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After all the dust only settles again. As long as I shut the laptop and hide all my bits of paper with family tree notes before my other half comes home!
On the other hand, when I mentioned it last night, he reminded me how he wants to take me to New Zealand - he went for walking holiday ages ago and is longing to go back. So maybe I should encourage this so I can visit some family sites.
Meanwhile I have found Walter's family in Keynsham SOmerset - and a probable brother John with a son John who could be the other burial/passenger
Meant to say the other newspaper links were good - one descendent died in World War !, one in BOer War, and Charles Frankham's wood mill being burnt to the ground!
Liz
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Hi Liz,
What a wonderful photo to have, not often we see photos. Glad to have been of a little help :)
Cheers
KHP :)
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UK Incoming for "FRANKHAM"
Name Age DoB Arrival Date Departed Arrival Port
WJ 48 c.1845 12 Aug 1893 Lyttelton London
sub Lt J 26 c.1915 1 Feb 1941 Auckland Liverpool
Mrs M 59 c.1879 11 Aug 1938 Auckland London
Miss M 21 c.1917 11 Aug 1938 Auckland London
Mrs V 46 c.1884 25 Jul 1930 Wellington Southampton
Mr Walter 27 May 1090 Wellington London
G 42 c.1857 May 1899 Australia London
G Jnr May 1899 Australia London
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I have found more children for Elizabeth and children for Deborah on bdm historical records search.
Elizabeth had three further sons born in New Zealand. They were
Clement Frankham born 1876
Harold Frankham born 1878
John Frankham born 1881
There is a gap of 6 years after her last English born child in 1870 but this period included the voyage to New Zealand.
This establishes Trooper Harold Frankham (see earlier posts) who died after the Boer War as her son.
I have found a marriage for CLement to Ida Sankey in 1903
Deborah had four children
Norman Gribble born 1885
Charles born 1882
DOrothea born 1889
Frank born 1890
I am trying to establish whether her husband Charles Gribble was born in New Zealand or travelled out at a similar time to Deborah. I have found an earlier family living there. Also references to Charles Gribble, a teacher, but not sure if this is the same one.
To me this is a less common name than Frankham and should be easier to follow up, but it seems the other way round in the New Zealand Archives.
It is possibly worth mentioning that Elizabeth and Deborah's family were BAptists. At least three of their siblings were church leaders and preachers. SO it is possible that these families were active in the early Baptist Church in New Zealand. Has anyone any advice on how I might check this out.
Thanks for the help so far. I am really enjoying following these tow families.
Liz
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Hi Liz,
You have been a busy beaver ;D
I agree that Gribble is a less common name .... the only time I have come across it was when I had "Gribble" in my class at school many moons ago ;D
There is/was a Gribble clan living on the North Shore.
Cheers
KHP ;D
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Deborah had four children
Norman Gribble born 1885
Charles born 1882
DOrothea born 1889
Frank born 1890
I am trying to establish whether her husband Charles Gribble was born in New Zealand or travelled out at a similar time to Deborah. I have found an earlier family living there. Also references to Charles Gribble, a teacher, but not sure if this is the same one.
Mmmm ... I wonder who this is ??
[Probate record at Archives NZ - Auckland]
GRIBBLE - Charles, banker - 1901
Has a death record been found for Deborah's husband ??
Lu
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--- We agree that GRIBBLE is/was, an unusual name, however there were quite a number of GRIBBLE's marrying in NZ around the same time as Deborah and Charles.
Not sure if that suggests the presence of a number of GRIBBLE families ... or just one large family (of which Charles might have be a part) ?
These are the "marrying" GRIBBLE's between 1880 and 1888.
Catherine / Edward James / Eliza Jane / Elizabeth / Elizabeth Ann / Ellen / Emily Jane/ William John .. and Catherine (in 1888). (Also a couple of Gribble marriages as far back as 1855)
Maybe you can use these names when searching ... say FREE BMD (UK) for places of birth, passenger lists etc. etc. ???
Lu
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.... Charles GRIBBLE - "teacher" .
Where was this chap residing ? (Maybe the location gives a clue as to whether he might have been Deborah's spouse) ?
[Can only see two "Charles GRIBBLE marriages" - 1880 and a Charles Henry in 1907. Of course there may have been a Charles who was a teacher (but was not married) ? ]
Lu
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Hi
Just noticed the MI (burial of Deborah GRIBBLE at Waikaraka - 1925).
In same plot is a "Dorothea Mabel TAKLE" (and husband William).
Dorothea is possibly the daughter of Deborah ???
Edit: Whoops ... just noticed that you had already found a birth for Dorothea.
[Dorothea Mabel GRIBBLE married William TAKLE - 1909].
Lu
PS Frank Wilfred GRIBBLE - d. 1922 - aged 31 (also at Waikaraka Cemetery).
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Dear all
I have done a bit more digging on the Gribbles. I have found 3 deaths for 'Charles Gribble' - all in Hillsbrough
1901 age 47 - implies born 1854 which is suitable age for husband of my Deborah - and ties in with probate record mentioned on previous post - Charles banker. There is also a probate record for Deborah who died in 1925. How easy is it to see these records? Is it something I could ask someone to do for me. If a fee is necessary is the information worth it?
1918 age 79 - implies born c1839 - I was going to say could be father but realise age not quite right unless mistake. This is the teacher I found reference to in papers past article (not sure if following link will work - if so it is somewhere on this page from Observer 30 Dec 1905)
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=TO19051230.2.7&srpos=36&e=-------10--31----0charles+gribble-article
BY the way the papers past is a brilliant resource - but not easy to search over 900 references to Gribbles - a bit easier if they were not so polite in referring mostly to 'Mr Gribble' But it gives a flavour of the times. I particulalry like articels listing names with unclaimed post! A bit of a contrast to to where I live where it is currently a bit hit and miss where and when anything gets delivered!
1925 age 43 - implies born 1882 - Deborah and Charles's son.
I am going to do a bit of searching in the UK for where the Gribbles may have come from. The family were definitely among the early settles. A Samuel Gribble and his wife arrived in New Zealand on 23 Jan 1843 on the Essex and I have found various references but nothering yet to tie up to my Charles. I have found some later arrivals (again on shipping lists on papers past) one of which states they came from Cambourne Cornwall which might help
Liz
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Hi, The George Frankham born 1873 and travelling to Australia in 1890 is George William Frankham. He was born in Peckham Rye Surrey the son of another George Frankham (born 1840) and Elizabeth Mann (born 1838 St Leonards Sussex). George senior was the son of Henry Gore/Grove Frankham and Jane Almond, Jane is my 3x great aunt.
I have been in contact with a descendent of George William and she has given me information on the family in Australia, I have followed the family in England. We have between us managed to trace our Henry Frankham to the Frankham family of Bitton and Keynsham Glos. This goes back to a John Frankham born 1617 in Bitton.
If there is anything I can do to help please shout!
There is also this site which may be of interest, set up by another Francom descendent in the USA
http://www.francomfamily.com/index.php
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Thanks for this.
I think my Walter Frankham who travelled to New Zealand with his family in 1873 was born in Keynsham in 1840, the son of Walter Frankham born in Keynsham in 1794.
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I believe that most of the Frankhams around originate from the Bitton/Keynsham area. I know that the Bristol FHS have cds of some of the Keynsham parish records.
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Was very interested in your search - I am connected to William John Frankham, son of Henry Grove whose family finally gets back to Keynesham... and with Walter Frankham throughout the generations was hoping for a connection to your lineage... Have you come across the following
http://www.keysalthist.org.uk/online.htm
- certainly worth a look if you haven't...
William John Frankham came to South Australia as part of the crew of ship HARWICH, and had a large family here, although there are not a lot of descendants as many of his children died young from tuberculosis.
Regards
Paula
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For a long time in my research notes I have had the name Alfred Gersham FRANKHAM, wondering if I would put him into the tree one day...
I recently came across a marriage announcement in the newspaper
FRANKHAM-OAKLEY
On the 29th ult. at Litchfield, Wace-street Toorak, the residence of H R Bow Esq. Albert Gersham FRANKHAM, second son of Walter Frankham of Auckland, to Mary OAKLEY, the daughter of the late Edward OAKLEY, Wolverston, England. Home papers to copy.
Thought this may connect to your interest somehow...
Regards
Paula
PS - This was in The Argus (Melb), 1st July 1891
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I am not sure if this is my Walter Frankham although they are probably the same family.
My family connection is with his wife Elizabeth Bishop.
She married Walter Frankham in CLifton Bristol in 1861 - she had moved there to work.
He was a carpenter
They emigrated to New Zealand in 1874 on the SS Lauderdale.
They did have a large family - children were Walter James (b 1862) Albert G (b1865) Amy ALice (1866) Edith (1868) Charles Henry (1870) Clement (1876) Harold (1878) and John (1881)
HAve you linked in with any of these?
lizb
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Hi,
Charles Henry & Minnie Frankham's son ...... there is a picture of him
http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/cenotaph/RecordDetail.aspx?OriginalID=5114&SearchID=1438353&Ordinal=2
At that time the parents were living at Jervois Rd, Auckland
Cheers
KHP :)
Just took a look at that link. That's the same battalion my great uncle (also called Walter) was in.
They were even on the same vessel, the Waitemata. I have some further bits and bobs if you're interested, just send me a pm with your email and I'll forward what I have.
You should get his service papers from the archway archive, they're full of useful information.
Regards,
Ann
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They did have a large family - children were Walter James (b 1862) Albert G (b1865) Amy ALice (1866) Edith (1868) Charles Henry (1870) Clement (1876) Harold (1878) and John (1881)
Albert Gersham FRANKHAM was born 10 Apr 1864 - I have no parents listed and have not sourced the birthdate, although I am building up a life for him, as he seems to crop up in my research often. Do you think this could be the Albert G. son of Walter and Elizabeth FRANKHAM nee BISHOP? Do you have more info on Albert and where he went?
I don't have a link into this family, but probably further back as the family seems to have originated from Keynesham.
Regards
Paula
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I am reasonably sure it is the same Albert.
My Albert was born in Clevdon, SOmerset, England 1864-1865.
I have this info from English 1871 census when family was living in Kentish town London.
I also have the family - parents and five eldest children and Elizabeth's sister - on Lauderdale arriving Auckland 30 Jan 1874 per Auckland area passenger lists.
There is a gap in children born between 1870 and 1876 so there could have been further children who died.
I had not found any further info on Albert though I have some on his siblings
I am interested in following up family descendents in World War One so will send PM with my email address for further info.
Also quite a bit of info on Harold Frankham (b1878) who died as result of woulnds in Boer war.
Very interested in this family as my Elizabeth was one of at least five brothers and sisters who went to New Zealand. I have as many relatives there as in the UK! I mUst arrange to visit.
Incidentally is the Toorak where the wedding took place in Australia?
lizb
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Incidentally is the Toorak where the wedding took place in Australia?
Yes, Toorak is a suburb of Melbourne, and they married at the residence of H. R. Bow Esq.
I firstly came across Albert in the employ of the River Murray Waters Commission, working as a clerk. He was emplyed there from 9 Mar 1892 to 1 Jul 1905. He must have worked elsewhere for the Waterworks, as he resigned in 1910. (My FRANKHAM also worked for the Waterworks, and I noted Albert's name thinking they may have been related.) Between 1894 and 1910 Albert lived at 33 Albert St, Goodwood Park in South Australia. (This I found in the South Australian Directories).
I have also come across him in the Electoral Rolls on Ancestry - 1924 14 The Avenue, Surrey Hills, with Mary Ann at the same address.
1932 153a Auburn Rd, retired. Mary Ann was not listed.
1936 517a Auburn Rd, retired, with Mary Ann.
There are two children - Lancelot born 12 oct 1892 at North Unley, South Australia and Harold born 24 August 1901 at Goodwood, South Australia
I've checked the Births for South Australia for Mary Ann OAKLEY and cannot find her, but suspect she may have come from Victoria, seeing they married there.
Albert (I've also found it Alfred) was in South Australia by 1892, and may have come to Adelaide for some reason before moving to Victoria.
That is all I have, but will keep looking for him...
Regards
Paula
When I relook at the dates - they married in June 1891 in Victoria, so he probably came to Australia via Melbourne and then went to SA for employment... and then back to Victoria...
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Thanks for clarifying this and adding extra information. I am sure it is my family now.
You say their second son Harold was born 24 August 1901. Well, Albert's younger brother Harold died in Albany Australia on 4 July 1901.
It's amazing how things come to fit together. Brother Harold was taken ill on his way home to New Zealand from fighting in South Africa. I have found quite a lot about his death in the newspaper archive - even a poem someone wrote!
Like you I gather information when I find it and it is great when one can fit it in with some later research. I also follow up a lot of extra stories I come accross just out of interest.
Please let me know if you come across anything more on this family. If yo give me some summary details of your Frankham in the UK I will let you know if I come across anything that matches your family.
Incidentally I grew up in South Bristol near Keynsham. Although I haven't been there for a long time I still have an old school friend living there and am hoping to visit her sometime next year. So if you want any photos of churches or graves I might be able to get them then.
lizb
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I have just come across the following in one of my folders - for Albert Gersham Frankham
From a magazine called the Public Service Review from 1910 - Mr A. G. Frankham, who occupied the position of shorthand and typewriter to the Hydraulic Engineer has resigned his position after 18 years service to enter into private business. Mr Frankham entered the Service when shorthand-writers and typists were not so plentiful as at present, and fully justified his appointment, as he was an exceedingly expert exponent of the dual arts. He was chosen from a number of applicants for the position of shorthand writer to the River Murray Waters Commission in 1902, and carried out the duties with such ability as to call forth the highest encomiums from the chairman. Of quiet and gentlemanly demeanor, Mr Frankham earned the respect of his fellow officers, who greatly regret his departure from the ranks of the Service.
Helps add a personality to him.
Regards
Paula
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Thanks Paula.
This is just the sort of information it is great to have.
Although it is satisfying to trave ones ancestors back a few generations, I most enjoy finding out about the lives of the more recent generations. I am bulding quite detailed stories of the lives of some of the nineteenth century families. It is interesting how they were shaped by the times - poverty, disease, industrialisation - and the consequences.
LIz
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I have just been doing a bit of tidying up on my New Zealand and Australia links and notice that I never found out when and what happened to Albert Gersham Frankham or his sons in Australia.
I have confirmed details of his Keynsham heritage - he was the youngest son of Walter and Mary Frankham, Walter born Bitton 1792 - and wonder if this family ties up with Paula's. Walter (the younger) went to New Zealand in 1873 just after the death of his father, but I have not found any of his siblings there.
I am looking for a death for Albert Gersham Frankham (born 1864) and his sons Lancelot (born 1892) and Harold (born 1901). I also wonder if he had other children. I notice that he crops up in the shipping lists travelling to New Zealand and Europe - as does his son Lancelot.
Lancelot married and had a family - I have found him in the electoral rolls up to 1949. But I have not traced what happened to Harold.
I am particularly interested if any of Albert's family were soldiers in World War One. PArt of my 'story' has been following up the family members who fought in France.
Just realised this has turned into an Australian post so I will copy it to that board with a cross reference.
lizb
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The Blampied mentioned above was my grandfather Martin Blampied who lived in Bayswater, Auckland for over 50 years. His father was George Hamon Blampied who married Edith Frankham.
By the way, I think you have missed two other children of Walter and Elizabeth Frankham.
Sarah Annie or Annie was born in 1872 or 1874 and married William Wallace Snodgrass of Nelson in 27 January 1896, on the same day that her sister Marion married Henry Bond.
In the Nelson newspaper Sarah Annie is listed as the third daughter of Walter Frankham of Devonport, Auckland and Marion as the youngest daughter.
It isn't clear where Annie was born. There is no record of her birth in New Zealand. Marion's birth record is unusual in that it does not list her parents.
In a newspaper article on the death of Harold Frankham in Australia returning from the Boer war it states that his sister Mrs Snodgrass of Nelson was on her way to Auckland to welcome him back.
Mr Snodgrass was mayor of Nelson and a member of the legislative council (upper house). He died at sea in mysterious circumstances.
For New Zealand researchers, Wallace and Annie were parents of All Black number 271, Wallace Frankham Snodgrass.
You mention above that Walter Frankham born 1839 who married Elizabeth Bishop was the son of Walter Frankham born 1794. I cannot find any census or other records which confirm this. Is there any information you can give me on the Frankhams of Keynsham ? Thanks.
I think you know about the sister of Elizabeth who married Dr Wine and also went to New Zealand. He was mentioned frequently in family letters of the period and features in photo albums.
Best regards,
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Forgot to say that Marion was born in 1874 and died in 1936. Annie died in 1941.
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This is info I have noted in my tree re Walter Frankham. I have noted that further confirmation needed on parents as could be grandparents rather than parents (big age gap and would expect Walter to be eldest son of Walter rather than youngest - unless elder Walter died and this is second son same name)
1841 census - with parents in Kenynsham. 1851 senses - servant in CLifton, Bristol. 1861 - carpenter Clifton.
Walter Frankham baptised 10 Nov 1839 St JOhns Keynsham
Parents Walter Frankham 1792-1872 - baptism 24 June 1792 Bitton
Mary Palmer 1796-1872 marriage 1814
Children
Sarah 1814-1816
JOhn 1816-1896
Sarah 1819 - 1828
William 1821-1822
William 1823-1913
Mary Ann 1824-1837
George 1827-1889
Sarah 1832-1897
Hester 1837
Walter 1839
I amaway form home at moment and willcheck to see if I have further notes on sources when I return
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This is a follow up with further info and queries. Feel a bit frustrated as I am away from home with a weak internet access and I typed out a longish post which suddenly disappeared into the ether. So I will write this off line and paste it in and try again.
First, it is great to be in touch with a Bishop descendant in New Zealand. I am currently pulling together a story of what happened to the various branches – including the 5 in New Zealand – Edith and Walter Frankham, Deborah and Charles Gribble, Charles and Margaret Bishop, Jane and Henry Wine, and Edith and Robert Oliver.
I have added quite a bit of info since my last post and recently have been following up family members who served in World War One – including Henry and Martin Blampied. Family members in England and New Zealand remained close until at least World War One. I have been in touch with another descendant who says his sisters remember receiving food parcels from New Zealand during the war.
Some extra info – Sarah Annie Frankham was born in London (Pancras) in 1872. The family lived there for a while before they emigrated in 1874. I did not find a birth place for Marion – maybe some confusion in registering on arrival in NZ? Where did you find birth?
I am intrigued by Walter Snodgrass’s mysterious death at sea and will certainly follow this up. Can you give me any more info?
And excited by your reference to family letters and photographs. Have you any you can copy me - particularly of the generation above who emigrated or their children. I do not have any of that generation myself – but I do have a picture of William Bishop, Elizabeth’s father.
I will reply to your personal message with my email address so that it is easier to exchange info.
Incidentally I am a descendant of Frederick Bishop who was Elizabeth’s brother . He stayed in the UK – but he did make a brief journey to Argentina. He was a steam engineer who was going to work on the railways. But he had to return home for health reasons.
lizb
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This is really exciting! Marion was born in NZ. We found her on the NZ registers of births, marriages and deathe. She and her sister Annie were married on the same day, in Auckland. we couldn't find Sarah annie in NZ
birth records. However she is not listed on the passsenger list on the Lauderdale either. Mystery.
I have replied to your other post so we must share what we know.
Jocelyn
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Would anyone have a photograph of Henry and Marion (Frankham) Bond?
Henry is my GGGUncle and I have a large family photo I would like to try and identify persons.
Regards
Andrea Howatson