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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Maddie on Saturday 21 February 09 12:28 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Please can any one help or advice me with finding out more about my new found American "cousin". He is my first American connection & I'm floundering a bit. :)
With much thanks to Casalguidi on the Kent board I have discovered James John Beament has a WW1 draft card with a date of birth in Kent, 1889, that matches my J J.
On the US social security death index there is a death for him in 1975 & also a Mrytle Beament in 1998 who we think is his wife as they seem to be together on the 1930 US census. Would it be possible for me to find an Obit for them, please.
Any help would be most welcome in discovering more about his life after he left England which I think would have been not long before WW1 but as yet I haven't had any luck finding him on a passenger list. ???
Many thanks in advance.
Maddie
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From the SS Death Index, where was he most recently living? And where was he when he registered for the draft in WWI and in 1930?
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Hi
He was in Redwood City, San Mateo, California on the Death Index & Myrtle in was in San Jose, Santa Clara.
1930 in San Fransisco City, the ref is roll 195 page 9a district 45 ( kindly provided by Casalguidi)
I think it was California on the WW1 draft but I don't have any other info from it apart from his name & birth date.
Any help much appreciated. :)
Maddie
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Here’s the information from the WWI draft registration:
5 June 1917, San Francisco, California
James John Beament, 28, b. 15 June 1888, Kent, England; alien, citizen Gt. Britain; 832 ˝ Frank? St., San Francisco; laborer. Selly Smelting and Lead Co.., First and Standard, S.F.; caucasian; married; dependents - wife, child 1 yr, and 2 step children; no previous military service; height medium, build medium, light blue eyes, light hair, not bald, no defects.
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Thank you very much, that is brilliant.
Casalguidi had given me some of that info but it's only just starting to make sense. ;D
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,362503.0.html
I hope that link works & takes you to my Kent post.
Any idea where I might find a marriage for him.
As I said, I am totally in the dark when it comes to researching in the USA.
Many thanks again.
Maddie
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You could try here for obituaries:
http://www.obitlinkspage.com/obit/ca.htm
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Many thanks for the link I shall try it with fingers crossed.
Maddie ;D
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If nothing else pans out, www.raogk.org has a person in Santa Clara Co. who does obituary look-ups.
The California Death Index (free on rootsweb.com) has James J. Beament born 6/15/1889, born outside the US, died 9 Oct. 1975 in San Mateo. There's also a Myrtle Andrea Bement (note the different spelling) who died 10 Sep. 1997 in Santa Clara.
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Mistranscribed as Beaumont in 1930 census.
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California Birth Index, 1905-1995
Dorothy Ann Beament, 5 Sep 1928, female, mother’s maiden name Lang, San Francisco
Mary Jane Beament, 31 May 1933, female, mother’s maiden name Lang, San Francisco
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Nevada Marriage Index, 1956-2005
James J Beament Jr, Male, Residence: California, Spouse: Mary L Wingate, residence: California, Marriage date: 1 Oct 1983, Reno, Religious celebrant, Recorded: 6 Oct 1983, Reno, Book 776, Page, 892, number 52951
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California Marriage Index, 1960-1985
Beament, Mary J., 35, married Richard L. Olsen, 27, 31 Aug 1968, Santa Clara County, register co # 43 5236, state file # 101921*
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Oh wow, now it's coming together. ;D Thank you.
Shelleyesq
Many thanks for the link I shall keep it in mind & for the Death Index on Rootsweb, I hadn't even looked there. :D
Erato
That is brilliant, I did get the name Dorothy A from the 1930 index, so I now have Myrtle's name. :D
I wonder who the James J would be, a bit to old for James John's son, as he was 1 year old in 1917. :-\
Mystery who the first wife was in 1920, (Christina) with 2 children of her own. :-\ It must be her referred to on the WW1 draft, as Myrtle wasn't born until 1908.
This is quite confusing...... ;D
Many many thanks again for all your are doing.
Maddie
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California Voter Registrations, 1900-1968, San Mateo County
1940 - Beament, Mrs. Myrtle M., 17 Theta Ave., ocupation labeling, democrat
1942 - Beament, Mrs. Myrtle M., 17 Theta Ave., ocupation labeling, democrat
1944 – Beament, Mrs. Myrtle M., 17 Theta Ave., ocupation labeling, democrat
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Could be a second marriage for James, Jr.
I'll look for Christina a bit later.
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;D
Thanks again, can I ask, would there be any significance to the fact that James J is not on the voters registration. ??? Just wondering if he was in WW2, would have been to old to be serving though surely.
I'm away to get all this info put down in some order. :)
I can't thank you enough. ;D
Maddie
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... would there be any significance to the fact that James J is not on the voters registration. ??? Just wondering if he was in WW2, would have been to old to be serving though surely.
Too lazy to register? Not a US citizen?
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I don’t see James’s entry into the US and, in the 1920 census, he claimed to be born in California, father b. England, mother b, Ireland. Also, there’s no sign of the step children in 1920. I havn't found Myrtle in 1920, either.
The problem with finding Christine is that she entered the US in 1911 and so she isn't on the 1910 census. Her kids might even have been born in Canada.
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California Voter Registration, 1900-1968, San Francisco
1924 – Beament, Mrs. Christena, 812 Alvarado, housewife, republican
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1910 Census [if this is the right Myrtle, she seems to have been enumerated twice and she was a twin]
4712 25th St., San Francisco Assembly District 34, San Francisco, California
Bartram, Henry A., 45, married twice, current marriage 5 yrs., b. Denmark, parents b. Denmark, naturalized, immigration date illegible, laborer, sugar co.
Stella M., wife, 35, married twice, current marriage 5 yrs., 5 children 3 living, b. South Dakota, father b. Scotland, mother b. Iowa, no occupation
Lillie, Louis L., step-son, 4, California
Lillie, Agnes M., step-daughter, 9 California
Bartram, Henry G., son, 3, California
Lang, Myrtle, boarder, 2, California
Lang, Alice, boarder, 2, California
St. Vincent DePaul Catholic Human Bureau, San Francisco Assembly District 37, San Francisco, California
Lang, Alice, inmate, 2, California, parents birthplace unknown
Lang, Myrtle, inmate, 2, California, parents birthplace unknown
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Possible birth of Myrtle:
Myrtle Lang, 8 April 1908, mother’s maiden name McDonald, Alameda County
Alice Lang, 8 April 1908, mother’s maiden name McDonald, Alameda County
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Hi again,
I couldn't find any entry into the US either & by the sound of the info on the 1920 census that isn't my James, ummmmmm. ???
Both his father & mother were born in England, Father James William born Boxmoor Herts & mother Annie, nee McGuire Brompton Kent.
That does sound like you have the correct Myrtle, if she is the one on the Death Index which sounds plausible, then the birth date of 8th April 1908 matches. Especially as she is aged 21 & married at 19 on the 1930.
Oh dear, is it back to the drawing board for the 1920 census, do you think.
Another thought, as his mother isn't any where to be found in the 1901 UK census I wonder if they both left the country together. :-\
Maybe via Canada. ???
Maddie
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I wouldn't worry too much about the birth places on the 1920 census because he may not have supplied the information himself. Perhaps his wife did and she just said whatever came into her head or she didn't want to say he was a foreigner because she thought he might be an illegal alien. I have many cases where the parents' birth places are clearly wrong but I'm sure I have the right family.
I didn't find him entering Canada, either.
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One other thing: I have looked for James Beament in the 1910 census and havn't found him. So it looks like he entered the US after 1910.
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Thanks for that, I've just been going through the 1920 index & he is the only one that fits. ??? I wonder if perhaps the step children mentioned on the draft card could have been elsewhere & without knowing Christinas name before she became a Beament there's no way of finding them.
I think perhaps he was an illegal alien, ;) sounds as if he may never have taken American citizenship. :o
Maddie
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This is getting more complicated :)
I believe the info from the 1930 census says James married first at the age of 19 which would have been c 1908/9. Do you think it's possible they could have married in Canada as Christina is Canadian.
Mind you, if that is them on the 1920 & they married in 1908 Christina would have been far to young to have had step children. ???
Hope you're not getting to confused, I certainly am....... ;D
Maddie
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Yes, it occurred to me that they married in Canada but I havn't looked for them on the 1911 Canadian census yet. But you're right, this would make the step children virtually impossible. Maybe James lied to the draft board and invented 2 step chidren to make it less likely that he would be drafted. Or maybe they were not really step children but younger orphaned siblings of Christina. Since they aren't on the census in 1920, you have to wonder if they really ever existed.
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You do have a point about James lying to save him from the draft, I don't know anything about Americas part in WW1 or Canada's come to that.
I did find the Canadian 1911 census myself today but just had a quick look so shall go back & have another go.
Maybe his mother will turn up as well. ;D
Maddie
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I think there was something fishy about James's entry into the US. In 1920 he's supposedly born in California but Christine was up front and said she was born in Canada, immigrated 1911, naturalized. In 1930, James says he was born in England, but he doesn't give an immigration date [it looks like na] and he may or may not be naturalized; that's hard to read, too.
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Blimey, something fishy :o
His father was a sailor, I wonder if James also joined the Navy & maybe jumped ship somewhere.
Having never been able to find either James J or mother Annie in the 1901, or his father James William, come to that, but I have his Naval papers so I know he was on board ship in Chatham in 1901, the next sighting I have of Annie is the divorce in 1907 ( must send for those papers ;) ) & James Williams second marriage in Chatham.
I think I need to find the marriage of James J to Christina in approx 1908, or at least James J to somebody. ;)
Maddie
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Mary Jane Beament, 31 May 1933, female, mother’s maiden name Lang, San Francisco
If she's the right one, I found a divorce record from Richard Olsen in 1977 and this:
Social Security Death Index
Mary J. Olsen
Last Residence - 95112 San Jose, Santa Clara Co., California
Born 31 May 1933
Died 24 Oct. 1999
SSN issued in California before 1951
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That sounds good to me. ;D
J J's family is certainly coming together, thank you.
I have just found an index of Redwood, San Mateo Obits on the net but unfortunately there is not a single Beament. :'(
I shall keep looking & your help is much appreciated. :)
Maddie
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What do you think we should be looking for?
I've been trying to track some people of my own today. Just be glad you don't have to deal with NYC.
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I certainly wouldn't fancy New York, this little trip to California is plenty for me. ;D
Could I ask a favour if possible, I have just seen what I think is the birth of James J Beament jnr on Ancestry California birth index, is there any chance you can check it out for the mother's maiden name. Don't worry if it's not possible, I understand that Anc prices for different things. :-\
Other than that I don't really know where to go from here.
I think I need to find when he left UK & where he went, what do you think. ???
Maddie
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James J. Beament, 18 April 1916, mother's maiden name McDonal, San Francisco.
That's McDonal with no 'd'. Is it just a coincidence that Myrtle's mother was McDonald?
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NYC is something new for me and I'm not happy about it. My ancestors are almost all in small rural villages except for this one side branch that couldn't get out of Brooklyn. Nightmare.
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Thank you very much, that's a help. ;D
There are 3 kids on the index that match & one was on the 1930 census index with them. ;)
Was Myrtle's mother a McDonald ??? I've missed that bit.......
Oh heck, now what. :o
I like rural villages, all my other Beament's are much easier to find. :)
Maddie
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Silly me
Just found the info on Myrtle's mother, sorry.. ;D
Surely that's just a coincidence. :o
Maddie
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Presumably, James J., Jr.'s mother was Christine, so I think it's time to look for a Christine McDonal in Canada and entering the US in 1911.
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Yes, I think you're right. :)
I've had an awful thought, James J couldn't have married one of his step children, could he..... :o
Could Myrtle & Alice be twins born to Christina, but then they wouldn't have the name Lang, would they, unless Christina had been married before. ???
My thoughts are running away with me, I had better call it a night & get to bed. ;D
I am so grateful to you for all that you are doing. ;D
Maddie
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Not totally out of the question; I personally know of a case in which this happened. It would mean that she had to be in San Francisco in April 1908. She could have invented the name Lang when they asked her to identify the father, or maybe there really was a Mr. Lang and he really was the father.
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Oakland Tribune 5 July 1921:
Edited to add that a similar legal announcement was placed in the Oakland Tribune by St. Mary’s Orphanage on 4 February 1923. Myrtle and Alice were 14 years 8 months old.
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Do a Google search on "St. Mary's Orphanage" "San Jose." The last result on the first page [History of Alameda County] has a Description of St. Mary's Orphanage on p. 275. I can't post the link because I get an error message when I try to shrink it.
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St. Mary's classified the children in the orphanage as "whole orphans," "half orphans" and "abandoned." So it seems that Myrtle and Alice were known to have living parents but they had been dumped.
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Oh wow, how on earth did you find all that, incredible. :o
That's so sad, at least it doesn't look as if they were related to Christina, I think :-\
Do you think Christina would have been on the SS Death Index if she had died or would the 1920's be to early.
I do hope JJ gave Myrtle a happy life. :)
Look forward to any thing else you are able to find. ;D
Maddie
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I am still suspecting that Christina was their mother but I admit I havn't found any evidence to sustain my suspicion.
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The Social Security Death Index mainly covers from the 1960's forward. I've never seen anyone who died in the 1920's there.
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Thanks Shellyesq, I don't know anything about the SS Death Index but had a feeling the 20's was to early.
If there is still suspicion about Christina it's a shame there wasn't a bit more info on the WW1 draft card :-\ Who were those darn step children. ???
Is there any chance of there being any other WW1 documents relating to JJ, as in the pension & service records that still exist for the UK servicemen. Just wondering if they might hold any clues.
Don't suppose there is a Christina Lang/Mcdonald on the 1910 census. :-\
I'm at a loss. :(
Maddie
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It might be worth poking around on this San Francisco genealogy website:
http://www.sfgenealogy.com/
also, San Francisco Genweb site:
http://www.cagenweb.com/sanfrancisco/#
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Many thanks for the links, I shall have a look.
I have just been watching "Who Do you Think You Are" on our BBC featuring Zoe Wannamaker in America searching her roots & oh it looked so easy. :'(
Maddie
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I have just been watching "Who Do you Think You Are" on our BBC featuring Zoe Wannamaker in America searching her roots & oh it looked so easy. :'(
It probably is easy if you have a whole crew doing it for you and can spend a lot of money. Otherwise, not so easy but, in my opinion, easier than British ancestors.
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I have just been watching "Who Do you Think You Are" on our BBC featuring Zoe Wannamaker in America searching her roots & oh it looked so easy. :'(
It probably is easy if you have a whole crew doing it for you and can spend a lot of money. Otherwise, not so easy but, in my opinion, easier than British ancestors.
Whoops hit wrong buttons there, sent the same one back :-[
Think it must be getting late for me. ;D
I agree, it would all be a doddle if we had lots of money. Hey Ho. :D
Maddie
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I have just seen the 1900 US census on Family Search (Pilot Site) & have discovered in Alameda County, Oakland City, a family of MacDonald's.
George born 1846 Scotland
Rachel born 1861 Ireland
Alexander born 1882 England
Jennie born 1884 Scotland
CHRISTINA born 1886 England
George born 1888 California
Mary born 1891 B Columbia
James born 1893 California
Willie born 1898 California
What do you think, could this be significant or just a "red herring" ;)
Maddie
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Well, Christine was said to be born in Canada but maybe that’s false. There are a number of Christine M[a]cDonalds born in Canada resident in the US in 1900, but mostly on the east coast [servants in Massachusetts]. Of course there’s no reason that she couldn’t have gone from Boston to California between 1900 and 1908. I still havn’t found a good candidate in California in 1910.
I wonder if there's a lot of lying going on in this family?
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;D I think they maybe quite a lot that's suspect about this family. ;)
Either that or we are on the totally wrong track, though that has to be my J J, I know there was only one born in Kent on the 15th June 1898. :)
Could there be some clue in the fact that this Christina's sister Mary was born in British Columbia.
I found the same family on the 1910 index & there didn't seem to be a daughter Christina with them.
As my J J states his first marriage was when he was 19 on the 1930 that would be 1908/9 but we don't know where, do we. ??
Maybe he had been married 3 times. ???
Maddie
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Sorry, I had taken Columbia to mean DC [District of Columbia]. If it was Canada, maybe they can be found on the 1891 Canada census.
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No problem, I can actually see the images of the 1900 census on the Pilot site, ( well done LDS ) ;D & it says B Columbia for Mary's birth place & there appears to be Eng in brackets written right along side.
Haven't looked at the 1891 Canadian yet. :)
Maddie
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Hi again
Found them on the 1891 Canadian census in British Columbia. ;D
George's wife is Mary this time, born Scotland & looking again at the 1900 it does say that Rachel & George have only been married 4 years, she has had 3 children & only 1 living. :o
These census are so informative, I'm amazed. :D
Just wish I could find J J. :'(
Oh for a marriage between James & Christina to be sure that I have the right girl. ::)
Back to searching.
Maddie
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Hi
Just to say many thanks again for your help & I have now sent for James J's parents divorce papers in the hope that there will be something in them to lead me to how & why he was in America & possibly from when. :-\
I know from the info on the NA site that a Harry Bradley was named as the co- respondent in James W's petition against his wife Annie so maybe I should also be looking for the name Bradley just in case Annie did in fact take her son & go off with Mr Bradley. ??? Hence, why I can't find her in the 1901 UK census.
Again, many thanks & if I should discover anything new I shall let you know.
Maddie
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Keep us posted - this was a fun search.
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Hi
Sorry it's taken a while but I do have an update. ;D
Annie did indeed leave home in July 1893 with Harry Bradley & they set up home in California. Between then & 1907 they had 2 more children & I do believe I have found them on the 1900 US Census in San Francisco. Enumeration district 68 sheet no 1 has a family consisting of William H Bradley, wife Annie & son James J, all born England with 2 other children, William H & Annie M born California. Harry/William was a sailor & so was James J's father. ;)
I also found a funeral notice for Wm Henry Bradley on the Californian Funeral Homes & there is a small obit included which states William HARRY Bradley beloved husband of the late Annie & a native of Gillingham Kent.
Unfortunately I couldn't find a notice of Annie's death but I'm hoping it will come to light.
I can only assume that James John had to use his birth name for anything official, perhaps his marriage or when drafted.
If there's anything you can add I would be grateful. :)
Maddie
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Oh, good, the Beaments are back. I enjoyed them. I need to read through the thread to refresh my mind about where we had left off. Do you have what you need from the 1900 census or are you missing the details?
I'll be back later.....
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Well just for a starter, here's James J. Beament in 1900 and 1910 going under the surname of Bradley:
1900 Census, 336A Harris St., District 68, San Francisco, SF County, California
Bradley, William H., head, 31, Dec 1868, married 11 yrs., b. England, parents b. England, immigrated 1893, 7yrs. in US, alien, sailor, rented home
Annie, wife, 30, June 1869, married 11 yrs., 3 children – 3 living, b. England, parents b. England, immigrated 1893, 7yrs. in US, no occupation
James J., son, 11, June 1888, b. England, parents b. England, immigrated 1893, 7yrs. in US, in school
William H., son, 7, Dec 1892, b. California, parents b. England, in school
Annie M., daughter, 5, July 1894, b. California, parents b. England
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1910 Census, 62 Converse St., Assembly District 30, San Francisco, SF County, California
Bradley, Wm. H., head, 43, married once 22 yrs., b. England, parents b. England, immigrated 1889?, naturalized, sailor – deep water, rented home
Annie, wife, 40, married once 22 yrs., 3 children – 3 living, b. England, parents b. England, immigrated 1893, occupation – none, deep water [must be an error]
James, son, 21, single, b. England, parents b. England, immigrated 1893, naturalized, sailor [deep water must apply to James, not his mother]
Wm. H., son, 17, single, b. California, parents b. England, clerk - RR office
Annie M., daughter, 15, single, b. California, parents b. England, no occupation
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When and where did William/Harry Bradley die?
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Hi again
I'm glad you are enjoying these. ;D
Thank you for the 1910 census info I had seen the 1900 but thanks any way.
Ummmm, Harry immigrated 1889, I don't know, I think the details on these census have to be taken with a pinch of salt. ::) So James J wasn't married in 1910 & was still going under the name Bradley. Come to that Harry & Annie weren't married either, hey ho, ;) Oh dear, another question, how could the son William H have been born in 1892 California when they didn't leave England until 1893. :-\
William/Harry died April 9th 1918, if you have a look at the Californian Funeral Homes bit on Family Search Pilot you'll find him under Wm Henry Bradley.
I shall be back later. ;D
Maddie
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OK, Annie and Harry weren't really married. Maybe this is why I can't find them entering the US [I see no likely Bradleys or Beaments] or in the 1920 census. Maybe Annie [and James J.] entered the US under her maiden name, McGuire. And maybe she went back to McGuire after Harry died in 1918. I haven't found William H. Bradley, Jr. or his sister Annie M. in 1920 either. And I haven't spotted any family member returning to England from the US.
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Sorry, I've looked at that funeral home record now and see that Annie died before Harry so that's why she can't be found in 1920. I see that Harry's funeral was paid by the daughter who was still unmarried in 1918.
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Glad you found the funeral record, with all the info on it I found William on the 1881 census in Old Brompton, so I'm pretty certain we are looking at the correct folks. :D What a pity Annie's funeral doesn't show up, that really would be the clincher.
I wonder why the other 2 children are being so hard to find on the census after 1910, I suppose it's possible that Annie could have married within the 2 years after her dad died.
Going back to the census info, do you have any idea what the term Deep Water Sailor means & I wonder if the fact that William/Harry was a sailor when they emigrated could have any bearing on the fact that they don't appear to have arrived in the US. ???
Maddie
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I'm assuming that a "deep water sailor" is one who worked on ships that crossed the ocean as opposed to a sailor that was involved in strictly coastal traffic. That's just a guess, though.
It's puzzling that the other 2 children can't be found in 1920. I'm going to try 1930 now.
I have had no luck finding this family entering the US under any name. I also thought that may be Harry's job as a sailor allowed them to somehow get in unrecorded.
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Yes, you are right about a Deep Water Sailor, I Googled it & found some info. Apparently they were on the riggers with sails & were the ones that climbed the rigging. :)
I wonder if the family entered via Canada or would that have been included in the lists you have checked already.
Hope you have more luck with the 1930 census for the children. ???
Have to say I am very grateful for your help. ;D
Maddie
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1930 Census, 145 South First St., District 66, San Jose, Santa Clara County, California
Bradley, William H., lodger, 36, single, b. California, parents b. England, salesman – wearing apparel, veteran WWI
This indicates he was born in 1894 which makes more sense
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I don't see a WWI draft registration for him - maybe he enlisted before the war.
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Well done, that birth date does make more sense, so his sister is perhaps younger than first thought. ???
He may well have enlisted in the forces before the war. It does look though as if he may not have any descendent's. :(
Isn't San Jose the place where James J is living in 1930.
Going back through my notes. :)
Maddie
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I don't recall where James was in 1930 for sure - thought it was San Mateo County. Both San Mateo and Santa Clara Counties are just south of San Francisco.
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Could this be him?
http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/j2ee/servlet/NGL_v1
BRADLEY, WILLIAM HENRY
Corporal US Marine Corps WWI
Born 1 Apr. 1894
Died 3 June 1947
Buried at SECTION 232 ROW A SITE 20
Los Angeles Nat'l. Cemetery
950 So. Supulveda Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90049
(310) 268-4675
California Death Index
William Henry Bradley
Born 1 Apr. 1894 in Virginia
Died 3 Jun. 1947 in Los Angeles
There's a WWII Draft Reg. Card for this William that has him born in Roanoke City, Virginia, living 1019 Oak St., Napa, California, and employed by the US Navy Yard on Mare Island, California. The person who would always know his address was Mrs. A. Cavagnaro at the same home address.
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Yes, James J died in San Mateo, it was his daughter in San Jose. :)
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Just got your next post, oohh, sounds promising. :o
Would he still be buried with his Marine title even if he had left the Service, do you think.
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Yes, I think any veteran (unless they were dishonorably discharged, probably) can be buried in a veteran's cemetery. My husband's grandfather was in WWII, but wasn't otherwise in the military, and he is buried in one. He is listed as an army private on that website.
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Having just re read your post, I'm not so sure that that is him. Mind you, I have only assumed that he was born in Californian because the census says so. :-\
Maybe the Bradley's started off in Virginia.
Thanks for clarifying my question on Military burials.
Are there any Virginia birth records on the net. ;D
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I think Virginia births are pretty lacking. :( Do we know what became of sister Annie? I was wondering if she might be Mrs. A. Cavagnaro.
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Roanoke, Virginia - not likely. It's up in the mountains. I don't think this is the right guy.
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Thanks both, ;D
Sounds like we have 2 William Henry's, back to the one who is the salesman in 1930 then. ;)
Shellyesq,
Unfortunately no sightings of sister Annie as yet. :(
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I don't see Annie on the California Death Index - no Ann* with father's surname Bradley born in the 1890s.
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I've just tried to find William H on the SS death index & there doesn't seem to be any William's with a middle name & only one born 1894 California. :-\
Where have they gone........... ???
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I have to call it a night now so I shall be back in the morning.
Many thanks for all your help, I do appreciate it. :)
Maddie
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I was poking around on the Santa Clara Genweb site –
http://www.cagenweb.com/santaclara/
and clicked on the section for death records where I found an item called “California Death Records, 1905-2000.” It says it’s free with a guest pass. I gave it a try, applied for my pass and immediately got a message saying that my free guest pass had been sent. I never got the pass though. Maybe you could give this a try – it supposedly includes records prior to the California Death Index available on Ancestry.
Meanwhile, I am going to renew the search for Christina.
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Erato, I tried using that Vital Search site a while ago for something. I think I had the "guest pass" and it still didn't work for me. Whether it actually works if you pay, I have no idea, but I'm not impressed so far.
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Too bad, I thought I was onto something but that it just wasn't working because I had said I lived in the state of Ecuador. Back to the drawing boards.
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Hi both
Have tried the link Erato, still waiting for a password but I don't hold out much hope now. :(
Thanks again for all you are doing.
Maddie
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I did get a password for the Vital Search site eventually but like shellyesq nothing happened when I tried the search. I wasn't impressed either. ???
I've been going through all the info again & have picked up on a daughter Virginia aged 9 on the 1930 census with James J & Myrtle, she must have been another child born to Christina, have you by any chance spotted her again any where. :-\
I tried the 1910 index for Christina again as well but couldn't see any Lang's or Mcdonald's that looked likely. :(
Ever grateful
Maddie
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A couple of questions:
Do we know that Christina died or is it possible that she and James were divorced?
The 9 year old daughter in the 1930 census must be Christina's, right? Have we found her birth?
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Hi ;D
No, we don't know that Christina died, I had been wondering if perhaps there had been another divorce. :-\
Yes, the 9 year old must have been Christina's & no we haven't got her birth but I do believe it's on the California Birth Index. :)
Maddie
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One wouldn't want to make too much of this, but I see that in the 1910 census there is a Christina B. Woodward in Redwood, Santa Clara County, California (not all that far from San Francisco). She was 18, born in Canada, unmarried, living with her widowed father (a farmer), and came to the US in 1900.
Here's the kicker - she has a 16 year old sister named Myrtle A. (as in Alice).
The odd thing is, that the father came to the US in 1864 and the sister Myrtle and a brother Marcus came in 1909. They must have beeen in Canada with their mother before that. I'm going to try to trace these people to see if possibly they were previously using the surname McDonald or Lang (their mother's name, maybe??).
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Oh no, another possible. ;) I shall hold my breath until further news.
Did you have any luck with the birth of Virginia at all.
Maddie
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The whole Woodward family was in British Columbia in 1901. There were 10 kids, of which Christine, Myrtle and Marcus were the three youngest. I guess that the father, Harvey Woodward (b. 19 Aug 1855 in Ontario) must have gone back and forth to the US – first entering in 1864. His wife’s name was Agnes (b. 12 Feb 1855 in Scotland) and Christine(a?) was born 13 Aug 1891 in British Columbia.
Unfortunately, there is a marriage record for Harvey Hogan Woodward and Agnes Dunn Rankin in Victoria, B.C. on 21 Oct 1873. So this shoots down the idea of Christine using her mother’s surname. An Agnes D. Woodward, age 49, died on 25 July 1902 in Lower Nicola, B.C.
I’m afraid this is going to work out to be a red herring.
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Many thanks for checking it all out, at least that Christina can be discounted & leads us back to the Christina McDonald who has featured pretty strongly.
Although James J states his first marriage was at the age of 19 in the 1930 census I am thinking that info is wrong, seems a bit funny that both Myrtle & James were married at 19. ??? Particularly as he now appears on the 1910 still with his parents albeit named Bradley. So presumably James & Christina married sometime between 1910 & 1915. :-\
Your thoughts are appreciated.
Maddie
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Birth: Virginia Beament, 21 May 1920, San Francisco. Mother’s maiden name McDonal.
There it is with no “d” again.
Edited to add: James J. Beament, Jr.'s mother was also McDonal. I had taken it for a typo or transcription error, but apparently it wasn't.
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Oh, so now we have the 2 children born to James & Christina with the same spelling of her name. Then I wonder if Myrtle & Alice are not Christina's children just a very large coincidence. ??? Although I shan't rule them out because we know for sure that James definitely married Myrtle. It could so easily be just an extra "d".
Perhaps a look for a Christina MCDONAL is called for.
Back to the 1900 census with fingers crossed. :-\
Maddie
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I see that in 1910 there is a MacDonnel family, originally from Canada, living in San Francisco. Widow Ellen (42) and her son Allan E. (18) and daughter Kathleen J. (13). And they immigrated in 1900, which is good.
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I can't see them in 1900 US but I'm still looking. Maybe they arrived after the census.
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Why don't you put out a search request on the Canada board for Christine's birth [referencing this thread]. Maybe a Canada specialist can find her.
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That's worth thinking about but trouble is I don't really know where in Canada she was born...
I've been going through the 1900 census again & the only Christina who looks to fit is the one with parents Henry & Rachel, even tried the Mcdonal spelling. :-\
One of these days all of this will fall into place but if it doesn't I have certainly found out much more of my Beament line in the US than I ever thought I would & I am very grateful to you for spending all this time helping me. :)
Maddie
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Christina McDonald born about 1890 in Canada. When her mother died her father brought her and her sister to California. At age 17 Christina had illegitimate twin daughters Myrtle and Alice in San Francisco in 1908. Their father was Henry Lang. The girls appear to have grown up in an orphanage and perhaps a foster home. Christina married James John Beament about 1911 and had children William W born 20 Sept 1912 San Francisco and died 27 Oct 1912, James John Jr born 18 Apr 1916 San Francisco and died 3 Jan 2005 at Beaumont, Texas, Virginia E born 21 May 1920. I don't know what happened to Christina after that. I have a death date of 1930 San Francisco but no proof. It appears that while James and Christina never lived with the twins as a family they probably did have contact. About 1927 James John Sr married Myrtle Lang (Christina's daughter and his step daughter). According to the 1930 census Christina's children James John Jr and Virginia lived with them as well as John Sr and Myrtle's daughter Dorothy Ann born 5 Sept 1928 in San Francisco married Andrew Paul Lopez died 5 Sept 1998 in Oroville, Butte, California. They had another daughter Mary Jane born 31 May 1933 in San Francisco married Richard L Olsen on 31 Aug 1968 died 24 Oct 1999 in San Jose, Santa Clara, California.
Christina's mother was a sister of my great grandmother who lived in Canada. Christina had 4 aunts who lived in the San Francisco area. Part of this information was passed down from one of my aunts. It's a complicated story.
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Hi divasmom
A very warm welcome to RootsChat & particularly this thread. Thank you very much for the extra information, I am extremely grateful & would love to talk more with you. As you say, this is a complicated story but has been fascinating to me & other relatives of James John Beament.
If you just add 2 more posts I can then contact you by PM (Personal Message) & pass on my e-mail.
Many thanks again.
Maddie
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It's good to see that we figured out at least part of the story.
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Hi Erato
I think you worked wonders here to help me sort any of this family saga out. ;D
I shall be forever in your debt. :D ;)
Maddie
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Christina McDonald born about 1890 in Canada. When her mother died her father brought her and her sister to California. At age 17 Christina had illegitimate twin daughters Myrtle and Alice in San Francisco in 1908. Their father was Henry Lang. The girls appear to have grown up in an orphanage and perhaps a foster home. Christina married James John Beament about 1911 and had children William W born 20 Sept 1912 San Francisco and died 27 Oct 1912, James John Jr born 18 Apr 1916 San Francisco and died 3 Jan 2005 at Beaumont, Texas, Virginia E born 21 May 1920. I don't know what happened to Christina after that. I have a death date of 1930 San Francisco but no proof. It appears that while James and Christina never lived with the twins as a family they probably did have contact. About 1927 James John Sr married Myrtle Lang (Christina's daughter and his step daughter). According to the 1930 census Christina's children James John Jr and Virginia lived with them as well as John Sr and Myrtle's daughter Dorothy Ann born 5 Sept 1928 in San Francisco married Andrew Paul Lopez died 5 Sept 1998 in Oroville, Butte, California. They had another daughter Mary Jane born 31 May 1933 in San Francisco married Richard L Olsen on 31 Aug 1968 died 24 Oct 1999 in San Jose, Santa Clara, California.
Christina's mother was a sister of my great grandmother who lived in Canada. Christina had 4 aunts who lived in the San Francisco area. Part of this information was passed down from one of my aunts. It's a complicated story.
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Hi aconpyroad & welcome to RootsChat.
You seem to have only left the quote from divasmum on your first post & no message. Would love to know if you are connected to my James John. Look forward to another post from you. :)
Maddie
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Hi Maddie, the person you are searching for was my grandfather.
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Please can any one help or advice me with finding out more about my new found American "cousin". He is my first American connection & I'm floundering a bit. :)
With much thanks to Casalguidi on the Kent board I have discovered James John Beament has a WW1 draft card with a date of birth in Kent, 1889, that matches my J J.
On the US social security death index there is a death for him in 1975 & also a Mrytle Beament in 1998 who we think is his wife as they seem to be together on the 1930 US census. Would it be possible for me to find an Obit for them, please.
Any help would be most welcome in discovering more about his life after he left England which I think would have been not long before WW1 but as yet I haven't had any luck finding him on a passenger list. ???
Many thanks in advance.
Maddie
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Hi Char ;D
A very warm welcome to RootsChat from me & also to my Beament family.
I'm sure if you have read the thread then you can see I found out a lot about James John & have found much more since then. :D
Now you have made three posts I can PM you with my e-mail so hang on in there.
Maddie
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Hi, found this site while I was searching for the name of graveyard where my mother is. Anyways, my name is Charlene, my mother is Mary Jane beament Olsen daughter of James And Myrtle Beament. I am one of their grandchildren.
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Hi Charlene
Are you by any chance the same Charlene as the post above from 2012.??? If so did we make contact before, unfortunately I have lost track over time. :) If you would like any info on your Grandfather & his forbears before his mother took him to America please do say as I am happy to help where I can.
Regards
Maddie
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Hi Maddie, yes I am the same Charlene. Interesting life my grandparents had.
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Hi again
Yes it certainly was a journey to discover all about your Grandfather's life. :) I also made some headway with Christina his first wife if you're interested, gets a bit complicated here doesn't it. :)
James John's father & mother finally divorced in 1910 & his father remarried & had more children in Kent. As I said I'm happy to help if you would like to know more .
Maddie
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Yes, love to know more
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Have sent you a pm Charlene. :)
Maddie
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Yes I received it and replied