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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Dorset => Topic started by: Kells on Saturday 21 February 09 22:54 GMT (UK)
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I am searching for Samuel Childs born c1748 who married Mary Elford in 1775; and David Childs born c1742 who married Mary Wellman in 1763. I believe David and Samuel could be brothers but cannot trace their origins. Their children were born in Melbury Osmond. Samuel's son Samuel born in 1774 married Elizabeth daughter of David born 1779, I am assuming they were cousins.
There are many Childs' families in the area but I have been unable to connect the earlier ones.
Has anyone got any info?
Kelly :)
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Hi Kelly
I was wondering if you had ever come across a Grace Childs born 1779 Melbury Osmond - Im trying to work out her parents as far as I know they were William and Ann.
Thanks ever so much
Marian
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Hi Marian,
I have tried to "map out" all the Childs of Melbury Osmond but haven't had much success in linking them together but believe most to be related somehow! I see Grace as the daughter of William and Ann, along with 8 (or 10) other siblings. Have you seen the Dorset OPC online? They have births, marriages and burials for Melbury Osmond as well as the 1801 census, which William and Ann are in. I've found it really helpful. If you want the web address let me know I can send it, or just type in Dorset Online Parish Clerks into your browser and you should find it easily.
I can't find a marriage for William and Ann so they must have married in another parish, perhaps Ann was from elsewhere? I wonder if William might be connected to my Samuel as their children were born around the same time but I don't know. They are a confusing lot!
If you find out more I'd be interested to hear about it as I'm keen to piece them all together. According to an English relative of mine, the parish clerk at Melbury Osmond mentioned that there were about 2 early Childs families that came to the village so you might assume a connection between them all.
Best of luck,
Kelly.
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Hi Kelly
Thanks for getting back to me. Yes Ive looked at various sites, and like you feel there must be a connection somewhere - one day we might figure it out.
Ill have a look at some of my notes and see if Ive got anything that might help you.
thanks again and I will definitely get back to you if I find anything of interest.
happy hunting
Marian
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Hi Marian,
I've been searching Melbury Bubb records on the Dorset OPC site and thought this might interest you - William Childs married Ann Hardy 26 Jan 1779 (in time for your Grace baptised December?) - seems a very likely possibility. I saw a few Hardy's in earlier records for that parish, but haven't looked properly.
Hope that is useful!
Kelly :)
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Hello Kelly and Marian
I have quite a lot of information about the Childs of Melbury Osmond. I have stayed in Melbury Omond several times and used the records at Dorchester Local History Centre.
Grace Childs b.1779 was the oldest child of William baptized 12 Feb 1749. Their second child was Henry - the only boy - they had six other daughters. Henry was my husband's 3x great-grandfather. Grace married William Rowlison who was coachman to Lord Ilchester of Melbury House. William was the son of Joseph Childs b.1703 and Mary Hurlstone. Their daughter Maria married John Sweatman and their granddaughter Jemima Hand was the mother of Thomas Hardy!
I have various David and Samuels - it seemed to be a popular family name - but not born in the years Kelly mentions. I will look further at what I have.
The earliest Childs (Chyles) were in Melbury Osmond before 1635 and it would seem that most of the village were descended from them in one way or another.
I have masses of information on the Childs and Melbury Osmond which I would be only too happy to share with you.
Iris
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Hello Iris,
So pleased to read your message and find someone with a considerable knowledge of this family! Thank you for offering to share what you have, I am very interested in what you found, I have been working on all the Childs but only having access to information that is online is very limiting and I've had trouble piecing them all together. My David and Samuel seem to appear from nowhere as I can find no records of baptisms from that time (but that could be due to gaps in online records) and so assumed them to be from another parish, but am thinking that they must have a family connection to each other and other Childs in Melbury Osmond of the same generation.
Would you be happy to get a private message from me and I will give you my email address?
Thanks,
Kelly. :)
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Hi Kelly
I'm new to RootsChat - your message was my initiation. I would be only too pleased to send you a personal e-mail - but I don't know how that works - so I''l leave it to you.
I have found the Childs of Melbury Osmond interesting and almost obsessive - there are so may of them and they have gone on to lead quite diverese lives.
Please let me have your e-mail address.
Regards
Iris
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Hello Iris,
I tried sending one earlier, I'm not sure if you received it, and you would likely get an email to let you know about the message so if that hasn't come then perhaps I was unsuccessful. I'll try another one!
Thanks,
Kelly.
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Me again,
I've forgotten how to start messages as a new user, but how I got to you was to click on your name at the side of the postings and then there was an option of sending a personal message. If mine don't reach you perhaps you can try it?
Kelly :D
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Hi Iris,
Welcome to RootsChat. ;D I am pleased to see that you have connected with Kelly.
As a new member it takes three posts for the PM system to open up to you. Just reply here ;) and then you should be able to contact Kelly privately. (or vice versa) To send a PM just click on the little green Scroll under her name in her reply above. If she is online she will receive it instantly, if not she will receive it when she next logs in. ;D
All the best...........Kris :)
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Hi Kris
Thanks for your help.
Iris
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Hi Iris
would love to have a chat re the Childs, Ive only just got back on line due to pc crash. But will sort out during the week and reply again
all the best
Marian
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Hi Marian
Look forward to hearing from you.
Regards
Iris
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My husband's 4xgt.grandmother was Elina Childs, b. 1778 in Melbury Osmond, daughter of Thomas & Margaret Childs. Margaret's maiden name was also Childs, but I haven't yet found out if she and Thomas were (perhaps) cousins. I also haven't been able to find Thomas's parents and wonder if any other Childs researchers had come across Thomas and could give me some clues, please? I know about Thomas only because of Elina's baptism entry.
Many thanks,
Gill
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My 3x Grandfather, Benjamin Hurlstone (1803 - 1879) was born, married and died in Melbury Osmond. He married HANNAH CHILDS on 23 September 1823 at St Osmonds Church.
In the 1851 census for Melbury Osmond Hannah is recorded as born in Sherborne and was 53 years old which gives a birth date of 1798. The 1841 census for Melbury Osmond states her age as 45 years old which gives a birth date of 1796.
However, I have been totally unable to find any Hannah Childs born in or around Sherborne.......is there anyone out there who may have some information regarding Hannah's birth and parents.
Regards
Jeff
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Samuel's son Samuel born in 1774 married Elizabeth daughter of David born 1779, I am assuming they were cousins.
Kelly :)
Hi Kelly
I am helping an elderly gentleman with his Childs family from Melbury Osmond.
His side is also descended through Samuel b 1774 who married Elizabeth in abt 1806.
Their son Samuel b 1809 married a Sarah in abt 1836....do you know what Sarah's maiden name was please? She was from Melbury Bubb.The period in the mid 1830's is missing from the OPC site DOH !!!
Many thanks
Carol
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Sorry Jeff, I don't have any Hannah's in my information, I do hope you manage to find out about her.
Same for you Gill, I've had the same issues with the origins of earlier Childs in my tree, and a Childs marrying a Childs, but no idea of their relationship. There are so many in Melbury Osmond, I am sure they all connect somewhere!
Kelly.
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Hi Carol,
Wonderful to make the connection with you, your gentleman friend is a distant cousin to me!
I know little of his Samuel born 1809, but have information that his wife was named Sarah Chapman and the marriage was registered in Beaminster in the September quarter of 1837. I have not documented my sources very well but assume I took this from the FreeBMD website which has only one marriage for a Samuel Childs in Dorset and this is the one! So if this is correct a marriage certificate could then be obtained - the number is Vol 8 Page 11.
I do hope this helps. I'd be happy to make further contact if this man is interested, if you send me a personal message I can pass on my email. I have contact with other descendants also who have shared information with me.
Best wishes,
Kelly.
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Hi Kelly
Many thanks for the info. When we first started on his tree,he wasn't that bothered about the Childs(his mum's side) and already knew the distant link to Thomas Hardy,but maybe now we've done his dad's side he might wish to take the Childs farther back.
I'll let you know ;D
Thanks again
Carol
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Hello,
I am researching the Child family from Shaftesbury/Gillingham/Bourton and I was wondering whether they are at all connected to the Melbury Osmond Childs. I don't currently have any evidence for this, only the clues that there seem to have been a large number of Childs in Bourton around the time there were also Child family, which may be a coincidence or may be that the names were interchangeable during the 1700s. The other reason for me to suspect a link is due to a fellow researcher mentioning that my Child family were in some way related to Thomas Hardy. Or course this may be untrue or just speculation.
Does anyone know of any Childs connections with the Child/Childs of Shaftesbury/Gillingham/Bourton/Silton?
Thanks,
Philip
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I am hoping to make contact with Iris again re the Childs of Melbury Osmond. If you can see this, Iris, and would be willing to share more info, I would love to hear from you. I have been tearing my hair out trying to get access to pre 1731 Melbury Osmond parish records without the need to pay high fees for research at Dorset County Council.
Kelly.
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Iris hasn't been online since Sunday 30 May 10,but she should get notification that you have posted on this thread.Or you could send her a Personal Message of course.
Ancestry have the Dorset Parish records online-does that help?
Not sure how far back they go though.
Carol
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Thank you, Carol. She had once offered to send some of her info to me, I was hoping she may still be able to do so. Ancestry have some records, but not the earlier baptisms, marriages or burials I am after. Everything available online doesn't go back far enough, most of it only as far as 1730's, and I need to place my ancestors in earlier Melbury Osmond families.
Kelly.
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Hi Kelly
I too am following the Melbury Osmond Childs. Its an open project as they are so confusing. In theray mine go back to 1575, as long as Ive got them right - I am willing to send you info, if you'd like to send a private message
all the best
Marian
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Hi Marian, thank you that would be great :)
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Hello Kelly,
I am the five times great granddaughter of Lydia Childs, the firstborn daughter of David Childs of Melbury Osmond who was transported to Australia on the Earl Cornwallis as a convict. I, too, have had difficulty working out David's parentage. On my current ancestry.com tree, I've got Joseph married in Axmouth Devon as his father but, like you, couldn't ignore the fact that David is not mentioned in the 1770 will when the other children are.
As the postings on this thread are quite old, I wondered if you ended up uncovering any further information about David's parentage?
I noticed a lot of theorising about whether Samuel and David were connected in any way...It's interesting that Lydia called her second Australian-born son "Samuel" because her first born son was clearly named after her father as he was given the name "David Childs Barber."
I also wasn't able to trace David's wife Mary Wellman even though their marriage record states her parish was Melbury Sampford...Perhaps it was a case of her not actually being of the parish since birth but only for the minimum of three weeks prior to the marriage...
Look forward to hearing from you.
Cheers,
Michaela
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Hi Michaela,
It is nice to hear from you. I had discovered that Lydia came to Australia as a convict but haven't yet followed her story.
I haven't found anything further on the lineage of David Childs since this thread began, and nothing to tie him to Samuel. I think I may have found the birth record for Samuel in Yetminster, but as the given name on the baptism is hard to read I can only be 98% sure I am on the right track. I think he is the son of Samuel Childs who married Elizabeth Mose 6 Feb 1734/35 in Yetminster (the groom being of Melbury Osmond). I have more notes on this which I will look for.
I am also struggling to place Mary Wellman but there is a considerable family of them in Melbury Sampford who must be related. I wondered if she might slot into the family of William Wellman and Mary nee Orchard (married 13/8/1744 in Melbury Osmond). This William was a son of Alexander and Joan Wellman. Without a baptism for Mary (looking at c1735-1745) I am stuck there.
I will send you a personal message with my email address if you'd like to contact me further.
Cheers,
Kelly.
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Hi Kells!
Great to hear back from you :)
Yes, William Wellman and Mary Orchard definitely seem like a good fit for Mary Wellman's parents, since she was of the parish Melbury Sampford. The date of their marriage aligns with the time I roughly estimated that Mary Wellman would have likely been born if, say, her marriage to David Childs happened when she was around 18 or 20.
Alternatively, I was looking tonight on the OPC Askerswell page and found that there was a high concentration of Wellmans there, including one 'Mary Wellman' christened 30 June 1746. Her parents' names were Robert and Margaret. I found that result by doing a search on the LDS Family Search. But, compared to the Wellman/Orchard theory this Askerswell theory is a longshot as I have no evidence to link Mary Wellman who married at Melbury Sampford with the Mary Wellman born at Askerswell...I wish there were records going back further. The Dorset OPC website is so amazing in terms of how accessible it makes the info that when you do finally get stuck it is very frustrating!
Another possibility is "Mary Welman" born to Elias Welman and Mary Welman, baptised 18 February 1740 at St Mary's Beaminster, Dorset. I've only just found that result, though, so I haven't looked into it any further other than to check the distance from Beaminster to Melbury Sampford on google maps. I got that result from the LDS search, too. When I went to check it on the Dorset OPC page for Beaminster, the transcriptions were wrong every time for that family; sometimes written as Wellin, Nellman and Wolman (with a ? typed after it).
Private message received! Thank you! I'll send you my email address too. Seems like we might have gone about as far as we can go with David Childs, though, unless some earlier records are made available.
Cheers,
Michaela
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Hello Kelly, Irsis and Michaela, this is my first message on Rootschat so hopefully this reaches someone. Very interested to learn more about the Childs family. Please let me know if this message is received okay? Many thanks, Kirsten