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Title: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Wednesday 25 February 09 10:55 GMT (UK)
Hi
I am looking to find my Alexander ancestors.
here goes

James Alexander (b 1873) from Ballymoney, Co Antrim, Ireland married Jane Hill Christie 1900 in Glasgow Scotland. Jame parents were James McCaldridge Alexander and Jane Rainey, he also had a step mother Jane Mulholland. James had emigrated to New Zealand but we do not have any dates for this move or if he and Jane had any more children. They had one son Robert who died within a year of birth and buried in Motherwell, Lanarkshire, Scotland and had a son James, of whom I have no other information.

James siblings were Henry, William John, Sarah Jane, George, Elizabeth, Robert, Charles and Rachel. The family moved to Scotland from Ireland in the period of 1892- 1900.

The family's surname prior to moving to Scotland was McCaldridge, why the change in name we do not know. Another little puzzle to solve.

I have a copy of a proof of posting note from a parcel sent to James from his brother William John (who is my Great Grandfather).
The address on the proof is

Mr and Mrs Jas Alexander

Burnetts Fae....
Denniston
Westport
New Zealand

Be grateful if anyone can shed any light on this.

Kind regards
M

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Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 25 February 09 22:55 GMT (UK)
Hello

What a great little piece of "history" you have, with that postal document.    :)

"Burnetts" refers to Burnett's Face, Denniston ... some info. is contained in the folllowing link.

http://www.denniston.co.nz/general.htm

I hope we might be able to find some information for you re: James and his family - although there are "James ALEXANDER's" aplenty, it does help that we know precisely where he lived.    I did notice that you gave his wife's name as "Jane Hill CHRISTIE"  ... and the marriage cert. has her name as "Jennie" ?    (But of course there are many diminutives used for the name 'Jane').

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Wednesday 25 February 09 23:00 GMT (UK)
----   Hi again

Are you able to tell what the "year" is, on that postal document ?     (It looks to be "14 Mar"  ??   ... just can't determine though, what the year might be ?)

Also, when was the child Robert born (or do you have his date of death) ?

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Thursday 26 February 09 18:43 GMT (UK)
Hi Lucy2

Thank you for your reply.
I am not sure of the date but I think it may 1929 as there is a 29 under the 14 Mar.
Jane is Jeannie and Jennie on other info that we have found, so yes there are many variations.

James son Robert died in 1917 Motherwell, lanarkshire, Scotland. He is buried in Dalziel cemetry Motherwell Scotland. I have also a copy of the deeds to the lair bought by James. The grave now holds James brother William John, Sarah Clarke (Williams wife) and Stanley (William and Sarahs son).
I will add a newspaper clipping that was found by a cousin in Scotland. All these little pieces of info together should help to fill in a couple of gaps.
Thank you for your help.

Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Thamesite2017 on Thursday 26 February 09 19:12 GMT (UK)
There is a James and Jeannie at Sydneham cem Christchurch but dates are out 10 years, but include for elimination if nothing else.
Source   NZSG Cemetery Fiche Surname   ALEXANDER
Given Names   Jeannie Year of Death   1931
Record Type   M/I Age   abt 45
Location   Sydenham Cemetery, Christchurch, Q10.09

Source   NZSG Cemetery Fiche Surname   ALEXANDER
Given Names   James Year of Death   1956
Record Type   M/I Age   93
Location   Sydenham Cemetery, Christchurch, Q10.09

Many of the west coast cems are not online, but could be emailed
this west coast cemetery map will take you to the locations/contacts
http://fhr.kiwicelts.com/Cemeteries/NZ_Cem_WestCoast.html

Bye
Althea
   
   
   
   
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 27 February 09 00:04 GMT (UK)

There is a James and Jeannie at Sydneham cem Christchurch but dates are out 10 years, but include for elimination if nothing else.
Source   NZSG Cemetery Fiche Surname   ALEXANDER
Given Names   Jeannie Year of Death   1931
Record Type   M/I Age   abt 45
Location   Sydenham Cemetery, Christchurch, Q10.09

Source   NZSG Cemetery Fiche Surname   ALEXANDER
Given Names   James Year of Death   1956
Record Type   M/I Age   93
Location   Sydenham Cemetery, Christchurch, Q10.09
   

Mmmm ... the above James, (d. 1956), was a postal official born at Kaiapoi   ... so can rule him out.    (Didn't find the "Jeannie Alexander" on ChCh Cemeteries database though ?  ).

Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Mk2_Zephyr on Friday 27 February 09 03:56 GMT (UK)

yeah 1929 on date stamp ...
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Friday 27 February 09 06:20 GMT (UK)
Thank you all for your help.

I will follow up the links and if you find anything that may be of help I'd be grateful.

M
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 27 February 09 10:36 GMT (UK)
Hi

I have some look-ups to do for myself for West Coast (NZ) cemeteries, in the next week or so.  While I'm at it,  I'll check to see if there are any monumental inscriptions for your people.
(Even though we now have historical New Zealand BDM records online (just new, this week), there appears to be records that are missing - and sometimes it's easier to check out cemetery records first.)

Wasn't able to find the ALEXANDER's on a passenger list to either NZ or Australia ... but you'd have to guess that they probably left Scotland, after the death of their son ?

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Friday 27 February 09 23:05 GMT (UK)
Hi Lucy
That would be wonderful if you could have a look out for any info for me.

I have been looking at some websites and google searches for passenger lists and have not come across James name on any.

Thank you very much for your help. I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards
Mandy
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Friday 27 February 09 23:06 GMT (UK)
Hi Mk2 _Zephyr

Thank you for your confirmation of the year date.
regards
Mandy
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 28 February 09 03:16 GMT (UK)
Hi again Mandy

I'm just throwing the following into the ring, as a "longshot".    ;D

I noticed on the marriage certificate, that the father of Jennie (Jane), was "William CHRISTIE".   So I wonder if the chappie below, might be a possible son of James and Jennie (and whether his name might show up in Scottish records) ?

William Christie ALEXANDER

*   No birth found for him on NZ online records.

Marriage   [Source:  NZSG Marriages CD]

William Christie ALEXANDER - Ethel May Hantom - Year 1923


Death     [Source: Online records]

William Christie ALEXANDER - d. 1978 - birthdate 2 June 1902 .

(Note:   Place of marriage and death - not known).


Lu




Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Saturday 28 February 09 06:34 GMT (UK)
Hi Lucy
You have come up trumps on that one. He is definately a son of James and Jennie.
I have just located his birth on Scotlandspeople web site.
He was born 4th June 1902. New Row, Rigside, Douglas, Lanarkshire, Scotland.


Thank you
Mandy
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Saturday 28 February 09 06:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Lucy again
I have just searched scotlandspeople again and found that there was another son James Rennie Alexander born 1st feb 1902.

Mandy
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 28 February 09 20:35 GMT (UK)
Hi Mandy

William Christie ALEXANDER.        BINGO !    ;)

Will check to see where his death was registered, that may help to "find" his parents ?       (Maybe they lived in an area nearby) ?

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 28 February 09 20:42 GMT (UK)

I have just searched scotlandspeople again and found that there was another son James Rennie Alexander born 1st feb 1902.


Hi Mandy

Mmmm ... James Rennie ALEXANDER ?

Is the year of birth 1902    ... correct ?      (That was also the birthyear you found for William Christie ??     (He was born June 1902 ?)

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 28 February 09 20:48 GMT (UK)
 ---

I did find the following on NZ BDM (online) records.

(And a little bit sad).   :'(

Deaths    1923

ALEXANDER - James Rennie -   1923 / 5337 ... aged 23 years.

So this "James Rennie" was born circa 1900.

[The date (year) you gave for James Rennie ALEXANDER born Scotland  ... might that perhaps be a baptism date ?)

Lu


Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Sunday 01 March 09 09:33 GMT (UK)
Hi Mandy

Well, sad to say, but this young lad who died in New Zealand, does appear to be the son of James and Jennie.     :'(

His death was registered at Denniston.    Have not yet located his place of burial.

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Sunday 01 March 09 09:38 GMT (UK)
Hi again

I'm hopeful that I may have found a burial for Jane (Jennie,  Jeannie) ?

Have got a little "homework" assignment for you firstly, though.    :D

Are you able to find an ALEXANDER daughter ?
The name I have,  is  "Jean Rennie ALEXANDER".

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Sunday 01 March 09 09:50 GMT (UK)
Hi Lu

That is sad news.
I have rechecked and on Scotlandspeople the birth of James Rennie Alexander was 1st feb 1901. I apologise for the tpying error.

It was William who was born in 1902.

As there was a 5 year gap between William and Robert, I wonder if there were other children. I will have search later today and see what I can find.
Also I will check out Jean Rennie Alexander. That will be the 3rd one in the family so far as James seniors brothers George and William both had daughters named Jean (Jane) rennie Alexander.
That may be a child in the gap.

Will get back as soon as I have the info.

Thanks again
Mandy
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Sunday 01 March 09 10:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Mandy

That there are other "Jean Rennie's" in the family  ... is sounding positive.  ;)   

The one in New Zealand, married in 1922 - so perhaps would be born between 1903-05 (if she wed at a young age) ?

William Christie ALEXANDER died (1978) in Wellington, which is a very long way from Denniston (Burnett's face), where I'd found him on electoral rolls, (with wife Ethel May),  from 1925 until a last sighting, in 1943.

It seems the couple may have had two sons ? Edit:  Perhaps not ?  There is an Albert and a Charles ALEXANDER at Burnett's Face 1935 - but they would be too old to be William's sons.  
Will see if I can source a death notice for William.

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Sunday 01 March 09 11:08 GMT (UK)
 ----  Information from Electoral Rolls :

The first appearance of ALEXANDER's at Burnett's Face, is on the 1919 Buller Electorate Roll, (which means they arrived in NZ a little earlier than first thought.)

BUT  ...  I can't find a listing, for James (snr.) .. on any roll. ?

1919 and 1922

-  Jane ALEXANDER - married, Burnett's Face
(There is "James ALEXANDER" listed - "a carpenter" but at another address (with a Dorothy Margaret, spinster) - not your man, I feel ?).

1925

-  William Christie ALEXANDER - miner - Burnett's Face
-  Ethel May (his wife)
   (Jane ALEXANDER is missing from this roll).

1931

- William and Ethel (as above) - same address
Jean ALEXANDER - widow - Burnett's Face.

[*  Jane ... becomes "Jean" at this point.  I'm pretty sure that earlier listing "Jane" is actually the same person.  William Christie wouldn't have been eligible to vote until he was 21, so his "first appearance" on roll is 1925.]

It looks like I missed getting the 1928 roll info ... drat !   So it's a little bit difficult to say, when Jane became a widow.

1935 / 1941 / 1943

- Jean - William Christie - Ethel May ALEXANDER - all at Burnett's Face.

1946

-  [William Christie & Ethel May - NO longer on this roll.]
-  Jean ALEXANDER - widow, Burnett's Face (still listed).

1949-51 -  only Jean ALEXANDER listed on Buller Roll.

1954  - Jean ALEXANDER no longer on this roll.
                                -------------------------

*   Those last two listings for Jean (1949 thru 1954) may be incorrect - sometimes names weren't removed from rolls - so Jean may have left the area aound the same time as her son ?

Lu


Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Thamesite2017 on Sunday 01 March 09 19:18 GMT (UK)
This may have been covered, nut if not here is info from NZSG index CD where family name is ALEXANDER and RENNIE is a first ot middle name

Undertaker's Records Name ALEXANDER Elizabeth Rennie, age 53
Date 7 Sep 1939 Cemetery Kihikihi

Matching NZ Bride and Groom Records
Name ALEXANDER Jean Rennie 1922 to GREER

Pedigree submission
Name ALEXANDER John Rennie
Place Fyvie SCT
Date 22 Jun 1864 (Birth)

Probate:
NZ Probates Name ALEXANDER John Rennie
Place Te Roti Occupation Retired Farmer
Filed Date 9 Feb 1956

Bye
Althea
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Thursday 09 April 09 13:56 BST (UK)
Hi Lu

Sorry it has taken a while to get back to you.
I am afraifd I cannot find a Jane Rennie Alexander with James as her father.
I even tried to find a child with the middle name McCaldrige as this was the family name whilst in Ireland, not sure why the change of name, but have had some interesting information form others on the Ireland boards. One of the sons James Rennie Alexander 1901, but we have covered him.

We have other Alexanders who had immigrated to Australia, but these were much later after WW2.

The search goes on
Many thanks

Mandy
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Thursday 09 April 09 13:59 BST (UK)
Althea
many thanks. it becomes quite difficult at times to separate out the related Alexanders and those who are not, especially when middle names crop up the same. It could well be a connection, but I have so many bits of info trying to pull them together is a nightmare at times.
I will look into the info you have found and it may well fit in with a cousin or brother of the Alexanders I have.
As you will see from my previous post the family name was interchanged in Ireland form McCaldrige to Alexander, making it a little harder to keep on top of the info.

Thanks again

Mandy
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Thursday 09 April 09 14:07 BST (UK)
Lucy
you mentioned  this  "There is an Albert and a Charles ALEXANDER at Burnett's Face 1935 - but they would be too old to be William's sons.
Will see if I can source a death notice for William."

in a previous post.

We have a Charles Alexander who is an uncle of James. We lost site of him after the death of his mother in 1921. I wonder if that is him in New Zealand with his nephew?
Charles was born 1890 in Ballymoney, N. Ireland.

May be a long shot!!!
Mandy
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 18 April 09 00:07 BST (UK)
Hi Mandy

Will get back to you shortly re: these ALEXANDERs.


Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Saturday 18 April 09 02:16 BST (UK)
Lu
Thanks

Mandy
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 18 April 09 10:06 BST (UK)
Hi again Mandy

OK  .... not sure I can help you with the "Albert and Charles ALEXANDER" who were at Burnett's Face in 1935.   :(

I have had a quick look through the deaths on our online Historical Indexes, and can't really see anything that matches for a "Charles born 1890".    But it would be a good idea if you searched these more thoroughly.
>>  Go to the Resources section of this board to find the Historical BDM link.

[Perhaps "these" ALEXANDERs, didn't remain in NZ .]    ???

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 18 April 09 10:08 BST (UK)
Hi again Mandy

OK  .... not sure I can help you with the "Albert and Charles ALEXANDER" who were at Burnett's Face in 1935.   :(

I have had a quick look through the deaths on our online Historical Indexes, and can't really see anything that matches for a "Charles born 1890".    But it would be a good idea if you searched these more thoroughly.
>>  Go to the Resources section of this board to find the Historical BDM link.

[Perhaps "these" ALEXANDERs, didn't remain in NZ .]    ???

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 18 April 09 10:09 BST (UK)
Hi again Mandy

OK  .... not sure I can help you with the "Albert and Charles ALEXANDER" who were at Burnett's Face in 1935.   :(

Added note:   Well, it looks like these boys were in fact the sons of Jean (Jane / Jennie) and James ALEXANDER.  See reply # 36.    ;)

I have had a quick look through the deaths on our online Historical Indexes, and can't really see anything that matches for a "Charles born 1890".    But it would be a good idea if you searched these more thoroughly.
>>  Go to the Resources section of this board to find the Historical BDM link.

[Perhaps "these" ALEXANDERs, didn't remain in NZ .]    ???

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 18 April 09 10:19 BST (UK)
  ---   Re:   William Christie ALEXANDER - d. 1978

Gosh, I thought I'd sent you details from the death notice for William ??   
(Perhaps though I didn't  ... it was some time ago ??)

Anyway, will look to see If I still have the notes.


Sorry it has taken a while to get back to you.
I am afraifd I cannot find a Jane Rennie Alexander with James as her father.


The "Jean Rennie ALEXANDER" which I have found, appears to have been born c. 1905-06  ?

I'm pretty sure she is the person who is linked to Jane (Jennie/Jean) ALEXANDER w/o of James, but I'll need to check the death notices for them.    (May be able to do this next week).

Lu


Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Sunday 19 April 09 08:24 BST (UK)
Hi Lu
just did another search on Scotland people and found Jeannie Rennie Alexander born 15th Dec 1905. at 45 Mabel Street, Motherwell. Parents James Alexander and Jane Hill Christie.
I was looking in another area.  Hope fully that now gives another base line to work from.

Thanks
Mandy
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Sunday 19 April 09 10:18 BST (UK)
Hi Mandy

Great  ... that's good news.

I'll look for the death notices sometime this week (and also dig up the info I have for William Christie ALEXANDER).   Just a bit busy at present so will get back to you when I'm able.

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Sunday 19 April 09 11:32 BST (UK)
Hi Lucy
Thanks again. No great rush as I can concentrate on other parts of the tree for now.

I am gratreful for all the help you have given me so far. Thank you
Mandy
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 01 May 09 02:37 BST (UK)
Hi Lu

just did another search on Scotland people and found Jeannie Rennie Alexander born 15th Dec 1905. at 45 Mabel Street, Motherwell. Parents James Alexander and Jane Hill Christie.


Hi again Mandy   :)

Ah  ... that's great, and it all ties in with other information I've found for the ALEXANDERS.

It appears that after their time at Denniston and Westport, Jane Hill (Jennie / Jean) and some of her children (yes  ... there are some MORE ... details in following post)  ;) - moved to the Nelson area, at the top of the South Island, New Zealand.

Jennie Rennie GREER (name is shown as "Rannie" on the death index and cemetery record) - died at Nelson on 30 October 1989 - aged 85 years.     (The online death index, gives her d.o.b. as "15 December 1903" - I suspect the "3" is a typo and should in fact read as "1905" ?), but anyway, the date and month of birth are a match.)

I haven't been able to find a death notice for Jennie GREER (yet) but the cemetery record notes that she was cremated at Nelson, and that her ashes were returned to "Hagendorns Funeral Services at Westport" !

Earlier I found at the Orowaiti Cemetery, Westport, a monumental inscription for :

"Desmond GREER -  d. 24 August 1941 - aged 13 -1/2 :
Also his grandmother - Jean ALEXANDER - d. 13 August 1954.
At Peace. "
There is an added note re: a burial - "Not shown on headstone - Robert GREER - died 27 June 1962 - aged 62" :

[So Jean ALEXANDER (also died at Nelson) ashes buried with Jennie Rennie and Robert's child, Desmond.   Probably Jennie Rennie's ashes - having been sent to Westport - are also in this same plot ?  ].

Lu






Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 01 May 09 02:52 BST (UK)
  ----   Death Notice for Jean ALEXANDER

[Without the benefit of viewing the death cert. - presumed to be the same person as "Jane Hill Christie ALEXANDER" - a.k.a. "Jane" / "Jennie" / "Jean" as found on electoral listings at Burnett's Face / Denniston, NZ ].

ALEXANDER - Jean

"On 13 August 1954, at the residence of her son Charles ALEXANDER, Appleby Road, Richmond, - wife of the late James ALEXANDER and loved mother of William, Albert, Charles, Thomas, Jean and Agnes.     Aged 76 years.
Private cremation on Monday 16 August 1954."
   --  P. Day and Sons, Funeral Directors (Nelson) --

[Source:  Nelson Evening Mail - Friday, 13 August 1954 ]
   ___________________________________________

Mmm ... notice didn't mention her two deceased sons - Robert  d. 1917 and James Rennie ALEXANDER - d. 1923 (NZ)  ??


Lu

Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 01 May 09 03:02 BST (UK)
  ----  Well, I guess that solves the mystery of the "Charles and Albert ALEXANDER" who appear on the electoral rolls at Burnett's Face / Denniston and Westport ??    :D

[Will post some findings for them shortly].

So Mandy - some more homework for you.    :D  :D  :D

Births in Scotland for :

         Charles ALEXANDER
         
         Albert ALEXANDER  (Possibly b. July 1908 ??)

         Thomas ALEXANDER

         Agnes ALEXANDER (Poss. "Agnes Nicol" bc. 1917 ?? )

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 01 May 09 05:33 BST (UK)

 --- from    Westland Electoral Roll - 1943

ALEXANDER - Albert - miner - 20 Romilly Street, Westport
[at same address - Joyce Kathleen ALEXANDER - married]

ALEXANDER - Charles - miner - Burnett's Face

ALEXANDER - Jean - widow - Burnett's Face

ALEXANDER - Thomas - miner - Marshallvale
[At same address - Avis Selina ALEXANDER - married]

ALEXANDER - William Christie and Ethel May - Burnett's Face

GREER - Jennie Rennie - married
GREER - Robert - labourer
GREER - Robert - miner
[All at 146 Romilly Street, Wesport]

[Unfortunately, due to our new BDM laws - unable to publish marriage details beyond certain dates, in this forum.   :(   Will PM you some additional information].

Lu

Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 01 May 09 05:54 BST (UK)
  --- some more   ;)

I think perhaps Charles ALEXANDER, did not marry ?
[Can't find a marriage that would match ?]

At Nelson, there is also a cemetery record for  >>

ALEXANDER - Charles - aged 48 - died 28 July 1960 [bc 1912]


from 1957 Nelson Electoral Roll  >>

ALEXANDER - Charles - Appleby Road, Richmond - fruit hand.

[Will see if I can find the 1960 death notice - it may give more family information ?]

Lu


Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 01 May 09 06:04 BST (UK)
 ----    and another Nelson cemetery record ...


ALEXANDER - Albert (90 years) - d. 10 April 1999  (bc 1909)

Can't be entirely sure that this is the correct Albert ?

[The cemetery record also includes a "last address" (at Blenheim - which is in the neighbouring province of Marlborough.)   I've also found the death of Joyce Kathleen ALEXANDER (wife) in 1993 (not sure where that occurred) but she is not buried at Nelson.    It may be that Albert (after his wife's death) moved to Nelson ??   Will need to check the 1999 death notice.]

Lu


Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Friday 01 May 09 06:13 BST (UK)
  ---   and lastly (for now)  ...

Again at a Nelson cemetery, there is a record for Agnes ALEXANDER (in her married name) - who died 28 August 1997.   

[Pretty confidant this is the correct Agnes - cem. record also lists her address at Appleby Road, Richmond, Nelson (same as that of Charles ALEXANDER in 1957.]

So will also put this on my death-notice look-up list.

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Friday 01 May 09 22:54 BST (UK)
Hi Lucy
This is great news. I had found a marriage with  a Thomas Alexander and Avis Selina, but didn't relate it. You have come up trumps again.
I will look over those names and births over the weekend.
A great big thank you

Mandy
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Saturday 02 May 09 07:37 BST (UK)
Hi Lucy

I found out the following;

Charles Alexander according to IGI born in Denniston and married ? Williams on 19/03/1943. Could not find a birth on Scotlandspeople site.

Albert Alexander born 3rd July 1908. 104 Wellington Street,Motherwell. Scotland. (found on Scotlandspeople site)

Thomas Alexander and Agnes- not found them, but there are 10 names in relation to Thomas and 8 in relation to Agnes, but no images available.

This has been a great success thanks to you. There is a lot more to find out.
We are also trying to locate the family pre- 1850 in Co Antrim. There was a name change along the way from McCaldrige / Mc Aldrige to Alexander. The Alexander surname appears to have been adopted from around 1880's when the family began to move to Scotland, being fully adopted by 1888.

Thank you again  :)
Kind Regards
Mandy
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 02 May 09 12:46 BST (UK)
Hi Mandy    :)

That's great.     

The Albert ALEXANDER you've found apepars to be the same Albert who died at Nelson - 10 April 1999 - aged 90 years.
His d.o.b. is recorded on the BMD Hist. index as  "8 July 1908" ... which is near enough to 3 July 1908 ?    :D

Gosh, I hadn't even bothered to look at the IGI (usually do) but didn't expect that there would be a record for NZ.

And .. would you believe  ... there is a listing for Thomas ALEXANDER !

"Born:  13 October 1913 - Burnett's Face, Denniston " (place of birth obviously wrong - but correct parents given).
According to that submitted entry, Thomas died in 1986 - will see if I can find out where.

Correction:  Now confirmed that Robert (s/o James Alexander and Jane Hill CHRISTIE) was buried at Motherwell SCO, in 1907   ... not 1917 ... therefore this ALEXANDER family arrived in NZ after the birth of Albert (1908) and prior to birth of Charles ALEXANDER (bc 1911-12).

Will send you a PM, with the possible marriage for Charles.

Lu



Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Saturday 02 May 09 12:51 BST (UK)
  ---    meant to mention, that there was an IGI (South Pacific) record for James ALEXANDER, also.

"James ALEXANDER - birth abt. 1882 of Denniston

Marriage:  Jean Hill CHRISTIE abt. 1911 Denniston "

 :D  OK  ... so they've only had a guess at the marriage date ?

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 11 May 09 20:38 BST (UK)
Hi again Mandy

Have now managed to find funeral notices for some of these ALEXANDERs.   (Will send further details via PM)

ALEXANDER - Charles

Died (suddenly) at Nelson NZ on 28 July 1960, aged 48 years - of Appleby Road, Richmond, Nelson.   Only his wife's name is mentioned in the notice, so presumably there were no children ?  (It seems that his widow may have re-married - so have been unable to find her death).

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 11 May 09 20:45 BST (UK)
William Christie ALEXANDER

Died 18 January 1978 (aged 75 years) at Wellington Hospital.   D/l husband of Ethel ....  a son, daughter-in-law and 4 grandchildren mentioned in this notice.   Appears that his nickname was "Wally".  ;)     (May have found you a link to descendants but will need to check current electoral rolls to verify).    (Further details via PM).

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Monday 11 May 09 20:48 BST (UK)
Hi Lucy

Once again thank you. I look forward to the other info via PM.
The marrriage between James ALEXANDER and Jane Hill CHRISTIE
is a second marriage in 1911 as they had married in Scotland, 1900. We have come to the conclusion that they could not prove their relationship on landing in New Zealand and so had to marry again. Would that be feasable?

Mandy
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 11 May 09 21:02 BST (UK)
Jennie Rennie GREER

Funeral notice shows her second name as "Rannie" - perhaps this is a "typo" ?   The notice does though record, that she was known as "Jean", which was also the name she was given in her mother's funeral notice.

Jean GREER actually died at Westport (which is nearer to Denniston),  on 30 October 1989 - but her cremation service was held at Nelson.   Two sons are mentioned (and again, may have found a link to Jean's descendants).

Lu


Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 11 May 09 21:08 BST (UK)

The marrriage between James ALEXANDER and Jane Hill CHRISTIE
is a second marriage in 1911 as they had married in Scotland, 1900. We have come to the conclusion that they could not prove their relationship on landing in New Zealand and so had to marry again. Would that be feasable?


Hi Mandy

There is NO marriage (for any year), recorded on the NZ Marriage Index for these two !

I'll just have another look at that IGI record.    :)

Lu
 
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 11 May 09 21:22 BST (UK)
Hi

The IGI record re: an apparent marriage in 1911, has been submitted "by a member of the LDS church".    No reference source or submitter's name given.   (Looks like it's just guesswork on the part of the submitter ??)


BUT   ... didn't you say earlier that Robert, the son of James ALEXANDER and Jane Hill CHRISTIE, was buried at Motherwell in 1917  ??

That would seem to indicate that the ALEXANDER's did not come to New Zealand, until after 1917 ??

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Monday 11 May 09 22:13 BST (UK)
Hi Lucy
the son Robert was buried in 1907.
They appear to have come to NZ between 1908 and 1912 after the birth of Albert (born Motherwell, Scotland) and before the birth of Charles (born Denniston).

it was IGI that we also found the othr marriage date for James and Jane.

Thank you for clearing that one up for us.

Regards
Mandy
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Monday 11 May 09 22:22 BST (UK)

James son Robert died in 1917 Motherwell, lanarkshire, Scotland. He is buried in Dalziel cemetry Motherwell Scotland. I have also a copy of the deeds to the lair bought by James.


Hmm ... Okay  ... I was only going by the date you supplied above.    :D

Will do some further checking.

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: mandyfahey on Monday 11 May 09 23:05 BST (UK)
Sorry about that. There are so many dates and places.
I hope I haven't caused y ou too much trouble. I will double chek next time.

Thanks
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Lucy2 on Tuesday 12 May 09 00:00 BST (UK)
Hi Mandy

Yes, I'd based all the searching done here, after that 1917 date.   

So it appears now that three ALEXANDER children (Charles, Thomas and Agnes), were New Zealand-born.
(These births won't appear on the the NZ online BDM index - so will have to check the microfiche index at the library).

Lu
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Valsgirl on Sunday 12 March 17 23:40 GMT (UK)
I've just seen your first query that was posted a long time ago.
I am related to William Christie Hantom (Wally) b 1902 -  d 1978 through his wife Ethel May Hantom.
Their only child, son Raymond Edward Alexander. b 1928, died recently, 20th February 2017, in Wellington, NZ.
I can sent you the funeral notice if it is relative to your research.
Cheers,
Valsgirl
Title: Re: ALEXANDER
Post by: Valsgirl on Sunday 12 March 17 23:42 GMT (UK)
Sorry, that last post should read William Christie Alexander. He married Ethel Hantom!
Valsgirl