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Title: Kinghorn ~ Ednam ~ Roxburgh
Post by: Chris Frater on Thursday 26 February 09 05:45 GMT (UK)
In the 1851 Census I find Alexander Kinghorn aged 70 along with 2 daughters Euphemia aged 20 and Jessie aged 18, along with these their are 3 Grand-daughters Euphemia aged 12  (to old to be a daughter of Jessie or Euphemia) also Barbara aged 7 and Agnes aged 2.

Can anyone help me with finding the parents for these 3 grandchildren?

Thanking you all in advance
Christine
Title: Re: Kinghorn ~ Ednam ~ Roxburgh
Post by: mariac on Thursday 26 February 09 06:00 GMT (UK)
Hi Christine
This looks like the family in 1841
All born Roxburghshire

1841 Ednam Roxburghshire
Alexander Kinghorn b1781  Labourer
Jane Kinghorn 1796 
Beattie Kinghorn 1816 
John Kinghorn 1816   Gardener
George Kinghorn 1821 Mason Jouorneyman 
Jane Kinghorn 1826
Euphemia Kinghorn 1827
Jessy Kinghorn 1829
Euphemia Kinghorn 1839

Regards
Mariac
Title: Re: Kinghorn ~ Ednam ~ Roxburgh
Post by: mariac on Thursday 26 February 09 06:21 GMT (UK)
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Hi Christine

I have to go out now. If no-one else picks up on this will see what I can find later on.
Regards
Mariac
Title: Re: Kinghorn ~ Ednam ~ Roxburgh
Post by: Chris Frater on Thursday 26 February 09 06:32 GMT (UK)
Yes Children for Alexander and Jane Kinghorn.

  2 F     i. Agnes Kinghorn was born about 1807.
  3 F    ii. Beatrix Kinghorn was born on 24 Sep 1809 in Ednam, Roxburgh,
                   Scotland.
  4 M   iii. John Kinghorn was born on 26 May 1811 in Ednam, Roxburgh,
                   Scotland and died on 26 Apr 1885 in Ednam, Roxburgh,
                   Scotland at age 73.
  5 M    iv. James Kinghorn was christened on 28 Nov 1813.
  6 M     v. George Kinghorn was born on 20 May 1818 in Ednam, Roxburgh,
                   Scotland.
  7 F    vi. Jane Kinghorn was born on 29 Nov 1821 in Ednam, Roxburgh,
                   Scotland.
  8 F   vii. Euphemia Kinghorn was born on 16 Mar 1825 in Ednam, Roxburgh,
                   Scotland.
  9 F  viii. Jessie Kinghorn was born about 1829.

Its the grandkids that are confussing me.
Barbara Kinghorn I have just found on family search with a marriage to a Andrew Hermiston on 22 MAY 1868   Fogo, Berwick, Scotland, then I found them in the 1891 census with 5 children. Not been able to find 1871 or 1881 census for them as yet.  And still no solutions yet as to who Barbara's parents are.

Chris
Title: Re: Kinghorn ~ Ednam ~ Roxburgh
Post by: terry h on Thursday 26 February 09 08:40 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

1881 census for Barbara and Andrew.

Mungos Walls Cottar House 5
   Edrom, Berwick, Scotland
   
   
Andrew HARMISTON   M   38    M   Chirnside, Berwick, Scotland
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Byreman & Ag Lab
Barbara HARMISTON   M   37    F   Ednam, Roxburgh, Scotland
   Rel:   Wife
John HARMISTON       12    M   Ednam, Roxburgh, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Ag Lab
Alexander HARMISTON       10    M   Fogo, Berwick, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
Andrew HARMISTON       8    M   Bunkle, Berwick, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
William HARMISTON       6    M   Bunkle, Berwick, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
Jane HARMISTON       4    F   Edrom, Berwick, Scotland
   Rel:   Daur

Terry
Title: Re: Kinghorn ~ Ednam ~ Roxburgh
Post by: terry h on Thursday 26 February 09 09:05 GMT (UK)
There is a submitted record on family search for a marriage of a Euphemia Kinghorn to Robert Frater in Ednam 31/12/1866.

Terry
Title: Re: Kinghorn ~ Ednam ~ Roxburgh
Post by: mariac on Thursday 26 February 09 10:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Christine,

   This is Agnes in 1861 but still no real clue on who her mother is.
1861 North Row Ednam
Alexander Kinghorn 1783 head b Ednam Ag Lab now pauper
Agnes        do         1811   daug    do       Domestic servant
Jane        do           1829    daug    do     Brewery Serv.
Agnes    do             1849   granddaughter Ednam

1871 No 20 Ednam
Jane Kinghorn  1827  Ednam   Servant  head
Jessie  do         1832    do       Ag Lab  sister
Jane    do          1863   do                    niece

1881  Same as 1871  and jane is listed as Milliner
Title: Re: Kinghorn ~ Ednam ~ Roxburgh
Post by: Chris Frater on Thursday 26 February 09 11:06 GMT (UK)
Terry,

I have been in scotlands people  and have the marriage and death register for Barbara now.
On the marriage record it says that her parents where Alexander Kinghorn  and Jane Buckham, for Barbara and that she was 24 years of age and married 22 May 1868 to Andrew Hermiston who was aged 26.
I also got the death of Barbara Hermiston nee Kinghorn died 15th Feb 1930 aged 85years, parent noted as Barbara Kinghorn.
So I am thinking that Alexander and Jane had a daughter by the name of Barbara also that had a child also called Barbara, or there was a very big gap between Jessie that was born abt 1829 and Barbara in 1844.  1851 cenus lists her as a grand-daughter. 1861 she is working as a farm servant  for Robert and Isabella Lamb. Not been able to find any birth record for her.

More and more confussing.... :) 
Chris
Title: Re: Kinghorn ~ Ednam ~ Roxburgh
Post by: mariac on Thursday 26 February 09 11:24 GMT (UK)

In 1861 Barbara is working in Berwickshire with the Lamb family


1861 Todrig Hume Berwickshire


Robert Lamb 50  shepherd
Isabella Lamb 44  
George Lamb 11  
Isabella Lamb 8  
William Lamb 5  
Barbara Kinghorn 18  1843 Roxburgh  farm servant
Mariac

Title: Re: Kinghorn ~ Ednam ~ Roxburgh
Post by: Chris Frater on Thursday 26 February 09 11:25 GMT (UK)
Euphemia Kinghorn born abt 1837 died 8 Jun 1906, is the illegiment child of Agnes Kinghorn born abt 1807 to Alexander and Jane. Euphemia married Robert Frater 31 Dec 1866 Ednam had at least 6 children that I know of Agnes, Robert, Isabella, Euphmia, George and Thomas.

So this  basically leaves Agnes to find parents for...
What a mixed up mess ...

Thank you all for your help, its good to have others view..
Chris
Title: Re: Kinghorn ~ Ednam ~ Roxburgh
Post by: terry h on Thursday 26 February 09 12:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris,

I don't know if this is of any significance but there is a Barbara Dickson born 6/3/1814 Ednam to parents Robert Dickson and Euphan Buccham. (family search)

Perhaps this Euphan is Jane Kinghorn's (nee Buckham) sister. Jane may therefore have had a daughter Barbara (naming her after her sister).  (amended, sorry naming her after her sister's daughter)

Just a thought. :)

Terry
Title: Re: Kinghorn ~ Ednam ~ Roxburgh
Post by: terry h on Thursday 26 February 09 12:20 GMT (UK)
Robert and Euphan Dickson also had a son born 11/12/1825 Ednam and they named him James Kinghorn Dickson. ::)

Terry

Title: Re: Kinghorn ~ Ednam ~ Roxburgh
Post by: Chris Frater on Thursday 26 February 09 12:23 GMT (UK)
Terry,

That is very interesting because till a couple of days ago I believed that Jane's maiden name was Buccham, and changed it to Buckham due to it being spelt this way on couple of the childrens marriages.

But Yes very much of interest

Chris
Title: Re: Kinghorn ~ Ednam ~ Roxburgh
Post by: terry h on Thursday 26 February 09 12:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Chris

Here's Euphan/Euphemia (frequently interchanged) in the 1841 and 1851 census Ednam. I see she was born Oxnam.

I have a 3g grandmother Cecile Buckam (about 6 different spellings on different things) She was from the Hawick direction.

1841  Village Of Ednam

DICKSON Euphan F 55 Roxburghshire
DICKSON John M 30 Mason Journeyman Roxburghshire
**DICKSON James M 15 Mason Apprentice Roxburghshire  **(James Kinghorn Dickson??) certainly correct age

Ages rounded down 1841 census over certain age

1851 Village Of Ednam 

DICKSON Euphemia Head W F 68 Grocer Roxburghshire - Oxnam
DICKSON John Son U M 45 Mason Roxburghshire - Ednam
DICKSON Ann Dau U F 27 General Servant Roxburghshire - Ednam
DICKSON James Son U M 25 Mason Roxburghshire - Ednam
DICKSON Agnes Dau U F 35 General Servant Roxburghshire - Ednam

Terry