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Title: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: Ferryman on Thursday 26 February 09 18:14 GMT (UK)
Hi folks:
This was originally posted on the Fife board, and I was advised to post on this one instead.
The McRitchie family were smallholders, ferrymen, boat owners, sailors and innkeepers in North Queensferry, Scotland, for over 200 yrs. Alexander McRitchie married Helen Walwood in 1687 but by 1901 only Alexander b. May 1842 was left. In 1821 James McRitchie married Janet Turnbull who died at the age of 36 after they had three daughters Christina, Margaret and Janet.
In January 1848 Christina and Margaret left for Australia.  The State Library of Victoria has a letter written by Christina to her father giving a fascinating picture of the voyage.
"Dear Father, We are happy to inform you of our safe arrival in Melbourn(e) on May 16th.  We had a good passage, a good Captain, a doctor and officers with temperate sailors.  We intended keeping a journal but our part of the ship being so dark many day we could not see.  Their was nothing of speaking about ...  There was some children died but none of the old people died.  It would have been a great deal worse if there had been but the children were never much minded."
The girls left N Queensferry on Jan 8 1848 and embarked on the barque William Stewart at Plymouth on January 25.  There were 234 emigrants on the voyage which took 111 days. And we thought 22 hours on the Jumbo to New Zealand was hard going!!
Please can anyone suggest any way to trace Christina and Margaret McRitchie after they landed in Australia and took up servants' posts with a Mr and Mrs Brown? Christine appears twice in the Victoria online list of assisted immigrants but her name is misspelt as McRitchey, I can find no further mention using either spelling.
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Thursday 26 February 09 22:08 GMT (UK)
I  have had a search of  the Victorian Indexs but I  cannot  located a marriage or death  for either woman.  Also  had a browse of  the NSW online indexs but once again  no  luck there.

Jenn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Thursday 26 February 09 22:58 GMT (UK)
I  think  this could be  them in South Australia  (  you  haven't provided year of birth)

Christina McRitchie Full age father not recorded married William George Stephenson Full age 10/6/1856 at the  Residence of  W H Goddard Adelaide
book26page 240

a possible birth in Victoria

STEPHENS Caroline Christina born 1857 in Melbourne reg no 13678
Father William George
Mother  Christina MCRITCHIE



Margaret McRitchie aged 22  father not recorded married William Henry Goddard  aged 26 father not recorded 10/11/1848 at the Holy Trinity church Adelaide Book2/page302

they had two recorded children
GODDARD  Louisa Jannet 12/3/1851 at Adelaide Book3page182
GODDARD  William Harvey 10/6/1852 at Adelaide book4page40





Jenn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Thursday 26 February 09 23:29 GMT (UK)
GODDARD William Henry born Adelaide married Sophia BEALL  no birth place shown in 1882 in Victoria reg no 5896
They had  the  following children  not  father’s name is shown at William Harvey GODDARD

William Harvey born 1884 at St Kilda reg no 13146

Nellie Adelaide  born 1887 at St Kilda reg no 15272

Minnie Stella      born 1888 at St Kilda reg no 33717

Flossie born 1889 at St Kilda reg no 35480

Wm Albt born1892 St Kilda reg no 8301 died aged 5 months in 1892 reg no 12009

Viola Marian born St Kilda 1893 reg no 35555 died aged 3 months in 1894 reg no4001
 
Eve Vic born St Kilda 1896 reg no 7026



GODDARD  Louisa Janet  born Adelaide married Emil Theodore SICHLAN born Christiania in Victoria in 1872 reg no 2551
Children born to this couple

Hilda Louise born 1875 at Geelong reg no 16185

Louise born 1877 at Geelong rg no  9242

Louis Theodore 1878 at Geelong reg np 16153

Nina Emilie born 1873 GEELONG reg np 24134

William Harvey born 1879 at Geelong reg no 16530

Jenn

edited by Jenn to include all births together
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 27 February 09 00:39 GMT (UK)
GODDARD  Margt  died in 1912 aged 83 at Mt Moriac Victoria reg no 7035
father Ritchie Mac mother unknown


I feel  this is her husband death  going by a search of  wills on line and finding this document with widows name Margaret


Surname: GODDARD  William Henry died aged 48 in 1868 birth place Surrey
Father William MotherFanny NIGHTINGALE


a possible death

STEPHENS Ctina died aged 76 in 1902 at Melbourne East
mother and father unknown



Jenn

Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Friday 27 February 09 03:24 GMT (UK)
Hi All,
JENN, I am sure you are right on the mark with Margaret's death in 1912.

Mt Moriac is in the Geelong disrict and she is buried at Geelong Eastern Cemetery.

Although there are other Goddards, I do not see any names that relate to her immediately.

Howerver there are the SICHLAU's [misprint on marriage 1872??]

SICHLAU, Emil Theodor 1910 Geelong Eastern Cemetery
SICHLAU, Louis Theodore 1913 Geelong Eastern Cemetery
SICHLAU, Louisa Janet 1902 Geelong Eastern Cemetery
SICHLAU, Louise 1877 Geelong Eastern Cemetery


http://www.zades.com.au/geelong/gdcem.htm



Perhaps Margaret moved there to be near her married daughter.

Sue
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 27 February 09 03:49 GMT (UK)
well done  Sue

On the NAA site  there is a naturalization record for Emil Thoedor SICHLAN 
but  I  couldn't find anything further,  but  there a three records for Sichlau,

Jenn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Friday 27 February 09 03:50 GMT (UK)
Hi Again.
In his lengthy and detailed Will, Emil Theodor makes generous allowance for his children who are named and include a son [another] William Harvey, and a daughter Nina Emiie  as well as Hilda.
William Harvey Goddard and MARGARET GODDARD are also mentioned.

Sue
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 27 February 09 04:03 GMT (UK)
 SICHLAN  Emil Theodor Louis Carl Otto  died aged 65 in 1910 at Geelong reg no 1678


SICHLAN Hilda Louise born Geelong married John Charles ALLAN in 1908 reg no 432

Jenn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Friday 27 February 09 04:06 GMT (UK)
In  regard to this son,
SICHLAU, Louis Theodore died 1913. Buried Geelong Eastern Cemetery,

his died intestate and his probate documents can be viewed on the same site as above.

http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=54

His son [among others] William Harvey Sichlau is bound to supervise his estate.

There is a mix up in the filing of this document and to see it you will have to go to the file of BARRETT SHELTON which contains Louis T.'s papers and vice versa  ???
Sue
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 27 February 09 06:52 GMT (UK)
oh the spellings 


SICHLAW Louisa Janet died 1903 aged 54 Geelong reg no 5656
Father  Goddard Wm Hy Mother  Margt MCRITCHIE


 LICHLAN
   Louis Theoe died aged 35 in 1913 at Geelong reg no 15129
 Father Lichlan Emil Theoe
Mother Janet Louise GODDARD




Jenn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Friday 27 February 09 07:19 GMT (UK)
Gosh Jenn,
Sichlaw I can sort of see the interpretation there, but Lichlan!!

I suppose those curly L's and S's could be mistaken for each other in a transcription ???
Sue
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Friday 27 February 09 07:50 GMT (UK)
Here are a couple more burials.
I am not at all sure about them.  As you see, they are certainly not together and each of these people is specifically located with someone whose names are not currently part of this search

26041   ALLAN, JOHN CHARLES,14 May 1960@ Geelong Eastern Cemetery   RC*41***299

98088   ALLAN, HILDA,03 Dec 1998@Geelong Western Public Cemetery   LWN*6***444

Sue
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 27 February 09 08:30 GMT (UK)
Hi  there Sue
I  think  Hilda  ALLAN  is  probably  not  the one we are looking at  she was born in 1875......maybe a daughter

I  will  look  for  any  children,

Jenn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 27 February 09 10:06 GMT (UK)
 MASON  Hilda Louise  died at Brighton Victoria in 1948 aged 62 reg no 11721
Father  Sichlau Emily Theodore Mother   Louise Janet  GOODARD

So  a death of Husband no 1 to find and a remarriage


Jenn

Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Friday 27 February 09 10:51 GMT (UK)
So  this is who ALLAN is with....

37043   ALLAN   RITA PHILOMENA   03 Feb 1987@Geelong Eastern Cemetery   RC*41***299

Per reply #12Sue  .....

 
26041   ALLAN, JOHN CHARLES,14 May 1960@ Geelong Eastern Cemetery   RC*41***299
Sue

Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 27 February 09 11:12 GMT (UK)
Sue,
 that John Charles Allan  was 59 years old when he died born 1901c  so not our man  nor son either.

Jenn



Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 27 February 09 11:18 GMT (UK)
SICHLAU  Wm Harvey  died in 1951 aged 72 at YEa reg no 19870
Father Emil Theodor  Mother Janet Louise  GODDARD


GODDARD  Wm Harvey died in 1928 at Pran reg no 16874
father and mother unknown


Jenn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: Ferryman on Friday 27 February 09 12:25 GMT (UK)
Hello Jenn, hello Sue
Can't thank you enough for turning up so much stuff for us.
Christina McRitchie, b. April 7 1824
Margaret McRitchie, b. May 8, 1826
Their father James McRitchie, b. May 16 1798  ....all North Queensferry in the parish of Inverkeithing, Scotland
These girls were my great-greataunts who left North queensferry because there wasn't enough to go round. They must have been very brave to tackle such a journey though it's no more than all the other emigrants had to endure. I was quite moved to find out what happened to them.
Will send you each a PM.
Michael
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Friday 27 February 09 12:43 GMT (UK)
Allways  nice  to follow  a search  through  to  the end.  looks like both  girls had long and I  daresay happy  lives in Australia.

Jenn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Friday 27 February 09 20:40 GMT (UK)
Hi Jenn and All,
Jenn, yes I was having a bad maths day yesterday.
Happens from time to time and there is no excuse but age creeping up.

Tending lately to misplace date of marriage as date of birth ::)

Michael, as Jenn says, always fun to help.

You have asked for the address of the cemeteries in your PM
Here they are from the White Pages directory.

Eastern Cemetery.  141 Ormond Rd. East Geelong Victoria, 3219
Western Cemetery. 95 Minerva Rd. Manifold Heights. Victoria. 3218.
Sue

Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Friday 27 February 09 22:50 GMT (UK)
Just adding a little bit of a sad story from St Kila Cemetery records.


GODDARD William Henry born Adelaide married Sophia BEALL  no birth place shown in 1882 in Victoria reg no 5896
They had  the  following children  not  father’s name is shown at William Harvey GODDARD

William Harvey born 1884 at St Kilda reg no 13146
Nellie Adelaide  born 1887 at St Kilda reg no 15272
Minnie Stella      born 1888 at St Kilda reg no 33717
JENN

GODDARD. All interred at this exact location- Wesleyan Monumental. Grave Compartment B. Grave 0298


William- 1928@ 76 [see Jenn above]
Sophia- 12/11/1912@ 56
William Harvey-14/4/1885 @ 11 months
Albert william -12/7/1892 @ 5 months
Minnie 13/1/1889 @ 11 weeks
Viola- 6/3/1894 @ 3 months

http://necropolis.net.au/stkilda/

Sue
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 28 February 09 00:23 GMT (UK)
4 more births to William Harvery GODDARD and Sophia BEALL

 Flossie born 1889 at St Kilda reg no 35480
 Wm Albt born1892 St Kilda reg no 8301 died aged 5 months in 1892 reg no 12009
 Viola Marian born St Kilda 1893 reg no 35555 died aged 3 months in 1894 reg no4001
 Eve Vic born St Kilda 1896 reg no 7026

Jenn

Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 28 February 09 02:44 GMT (UK)
found a couple of births for  the two mention in  the Will of Emil SICHLAU (mother Louise Janet Goddard)

 SICHLAU Nina Emilie born 1873 GEELONG reg np 24134
 SICHLAU William Harvey born 1879 at Geelong reg no 16530


Jenn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: Ferryman on Saturday 28 February 09 16:46 GMT (UK)
You two never stop digging! My family would never have thought we would learn so much, still less in such a short time.
Thanks for the cemetery address, I found the location on the excellent Necropolis website and I think I can see Margaret's grave on Google Earth, beside it is her daughter and Emil, beside them their children.
Jenn, in your reply #4 you mention a Stephens Ctina died age 76 in 1902 in Melbourne East, is there a site I might find death info, or have you this database on CD or similar? The date is about right as Christina was born on April 7 1824. It would be great to find her grave as well.
In reply #6 you mention an NAA site with nationalisation record for Emil Sichau, any idea where he came from? (My guess is German or Austrian)
Many thanks once again
Michael
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 28 February 09 21:34 GMT (UK)
Hello Michael,
Now, without certificates, we cannot be certain of anything but her e is a marriage which fits  for Christina's daughter, Caroline.
It is in NSW.[Not sure why the A in Christina]

There are details on this site as to how you may order a certificate, but It is a cheaper option to get a transcription through an agent.  It is a safe and proven process.
I will try to find the exact reference for their contact in a minute.


3062/1882  WILD,  RICHARD JOHN to STEPHENS,  CAROLINE CHRISTANA @ MANLY .

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au

Sue
ADDING
BINGO!!Here is her death and as you see, right parental names ;D

27784/1942  WILD,  CAROLINE CHRISTINA father   WILLIAM GEORGE mother  CHRISTINA @ MANLY   

This page shows a link to transcription agents.
All are reliable

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToSearch.htm

The certificate should will give you a lot of useful information.
 
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 28 February 09 22:10 GMT (UK)
Hi Michael,
You can look for yourself on the bdm search, but I see no less than 14 births to the couple in Manly. ::) ::) ::)

Just getting back to her mother, Christina whose probable death JENN found in 1902.

As it occurred close to central Melbourne, a likely burial location would be Melbourne General Cemetery.

This does not, as yet have, online search facility, though it has been promised for a long time and will be located at the same site as St Kilda and Springvale which  have given you.

There is an enquiry service however and again I will have to hunt it out for you.

Jenn has not given the registration number on the death entry but she will I am sure, so that you can if you wish order this certificate.

Victoria has a different method and you can download immediately to your computer.

Be warned it is sooooo easy and becomes a terrible temptation ;D
Costs about $25
It appears though that her parents are not listed on the certificate so that may make identification less certain.

Must get out for my walk between the little rain showers.
[These are most welcome in our poor dried out State]
Sue
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 28 February 09 22:24 GMT (UK)
Whoops the  reg no 6317 for Ctina Stevens death.

Also  been  trying  to  find a  few  more of  their girls grandchildrens marriages and deaths

Have found in England Nina E Schilan marrying in 1914 a Walter De B Thomas and  a birth in 1915 for a Dallas De B Thomas  but I  cannot trace  anything on the surname of De b Thomas most frustrating


However I  d find  this article
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3859280?searchTerm=sichlau

which  confirms Nina's name as Thomas


 This is a link  to  what you can expect to see on Australian certificates,  bear in mind  that the information  given  on death certificates is only as good as the informants knowledge
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
JEnn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 01 March 09 05:31 GMT (UK)

GODDARD Flossie
Married in 1923 to James Fredrick HORTON reg no 8668
Died  in 1979 aged 88 at ELST reg no 18620


GODDARD   Eve Victoria married William Charles QUIRK in 1920 reg no 47




GODDARD Nellie Adelaide  bord St Kilda married 1908 reg no 2073
MCPHAIL Charles Ross born St Kilda

Children
Doris Adelaide born St Kilda 1909 reg no 6589
Keith Charles  born Malvern 1913 reg no 23662


MCPHAIL Nellie Adelaide died in 1951 aged 64 reg no 4153 at St Kilda
Father  Goddard Chas Harvey Mother Sophia  BEAL


Jenn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 01 March 09 06:51 GMT (UK)
Hi Michael,
A contact with an index on cd to Monumental Inscriptions [headstones] at Melbourne General Cemetery  is not able to see anything for Christina or her husband .
They may be there without a stone and you can email and a
ask the records to be checked.
 mgcATnecropolis.com.au.  replace AT with @

Perhps she is somewhere else?????

A couple of the grandsons of Christina, Caroline's boys, enlisted for ww1 and you can see their papers digitised.
Charles gives his father's exact address in Manly as he is Next of Kin.
22 Wentworth Street Manly.
Maybe googlearth will find it for you!!
http://www.naa.gov.au

 Sue
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: Ferryman on Sunday 01 March 09 17:32 GMT (UK)
Guess who has spent all day rooting around the sites you mentioned? Nice and sunny in Ireland this morning, we had a good walk but after that it was just one site after another.
I have emailed the cemetery asking if they can help find Christina and will post when I hear from them. I did indeed find Wentworth St on Google but No 22 has been replaced by what seems to be a block of flats. Your public records site is utterly brilliant - we found many McRitchies including Sqn Ldr Ian McR whom we knew about, my father being in the RAF himself during WWii. We found Charles Wild, Christina's grandson, he was only a little chap at 5ft6ins with 32in chest but he must have been ferocious as he won the Military Medal for routing an enemy post single-handed.
Thanks again for all you have done for us, you might like to see where we began with notes in the family Bible. The little X beside each girl's name has a note beneath: Jany 8th 1848, left for Australia.
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 01 March 09 21:03 GMT (UK)
Hello  there

what a wonderfull treasure for you  to  have in  your family, you  can now add so much more into your family  tree because of  the initial entry in  that bible,

I  am  still  searching away  for more details.


Now  the Australian White Pages list a few Sichlau in Victoria two of which live in Siclhaus Road YEA

http://www.whitepages.com.au/wp/initResSearch.do (search residential)

I would assume  that it being such an unusual name that they might be descendants(seeing William Harvey Sichlau died in Yea) 


Again spelling mistakes make searching fun

LICLAU William Harvey married Alice Parker JACKSON in 1914 in Victoria  reg no 682
Also recorded as LICHLAN

Births to this couple ( up to 1920 the range of  indexs)

SICHLAU Louis Harvey born 1915 at Geelong reg no 3920 
He married in 1942 to Masisie Harvey Templeton reg no 22960

SICHLAU Jack Parker born 1920 at Geelong reg no 12776


SICHLAU Alice Parker died in 1976 at Yea aged 91 reg no 13967
Father Jackson John S Mother Alice Victoria  PARKER
Given Names:


kind thoughts Jenn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: Ferryman on Monday 02 March 09 11:58 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that, I see 8 Sichlaus in the White Pages, one living at Sichlaus Rd in Hampton E.
Melbourne Cemetery came back very quickly, they say there is no record for Christina but if she was buried in a public grave they might have it if we could quote a burial date. I downloaded the reg. entry from Victoria bmd but there is no date other than 1902, so I have emailed them to see if they can help.
Back to the rain in Ireland this am, not complaining as we wish we could send it on to you. The drought has been bad enough in itself but the TV pictures of the fires are terrible.
Bye for now
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 02 March 09 12:01 GMT (UK)
Hello  there Michael

now  that is odd,  you  say you  purchased a death certificate for Christina Stephens died 1902  but  there was no date on it!

what did she die of  and  who was  the informant etc.  Did it say where she was buried?

kind thoughts Jenn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: Ferryman on Monday 02 March 09 16:33 GMT (UK)
I thought it was odd myself: what I received was headed Historical Index Detailed Results as follows: Family Name STEPHENS Given name Ctina Sex: unknown Event: DEATH Father's name: unknown Mother's name: unknown Spouse's family name: blank Age: 78 Birth place: blank Death place: Melb E Registration yr: 1902 Registration No: 8317
We get similar printouts from sites in UK but they have much more detail. Maybe I have to buy image of this record? Maybe the certificate would have the extra detail? I expect the BMD office will have the answer in due course
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 02 March 09 20:49 GMT (UK)
Ah  yes  you  have  to  buy  the actual death certificate  to  get further information.

kind thoughts Jenn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 03 March 09 05:23 GMT (UK)
Just adding to Jenn's advice there.
Here is the page of the Victorian BMD search site which gives the process for the full download.

You will get a lot more information than what you currently have. Bit long. Have shrunk to fit the posting  screen.

The shrunk url link

http://www.rootschat.com/links/05qh/

Sue

 
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: judb on Tuesday 03 March 09 12:21 GMT (UK)
Mentions of the SICHLAU family in the digitised newspapers avalaible from the Aus National Lib site mostly 1915-1927 but another mention of William Harvey as a grazier in Yea in 1945

http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home

especially interesting is one about the estate of 'the late Emil Theodor Sichlau with mentions of William Harvey Schilau and 'an infant Louis Schilau'.  Birth notice of Louis also.

Cheers, Judith
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: Ferryman on Tuesday 03 March 09 17:06 GMT (UK)
Thank you Jenn and Sue, new to this game so did not appreciate difference between various downloads. Christina's death cert completes our story, she died in the Immigrants' Hostel on April 3 1902 and was buried in Melbourne Cemetery next day. This hostel seems to have been the last refuge of the destitute. Her daughter Caroline Christina was 1000 miles away in Manly, sister Margaret was closer in Geelong but in those days they couldn't just hop into the car, and Margaret herself was only two yrs younger ...
We also got Caroline's birth cert, she was born Swanston St Melbourne, and Christina was 43 at the time of her birth. Caroline appears to be the only child.
I wonder what happened to Christina's husband William George Stephens, born London England and a draper at the time of their marriage at Margaret's house in Adelaide? Have tried Victoria bmd and there is no match. Perhaps he died before her and in a different State?
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 03 March 09 22:36 GMT (UK)
Hi Michael

The death certificate of Christina should tell you whether she was a widow, that is if the informant knew.

and Christina was 43 at the time of her birth. MICHAEL

Caroline was born in the year following the marriage, 1857

Although you have not given us the exact birthdate of Christina, we can surmise it to be in the decade following her mother's marriage in 1821 [your initial posting]

If she died in 1902 aged 76 she was born 1826.

I think therefore Chiristina was more like 31 when she had Caroline . If she had been 43 at the birth she would have been born in 1814.

I have an ancestor who was born in Swanston Street in the mid 1850's

The details tell it was "in a tent"

Like your Christina this family was in transit from South Australia and were heading for the Goldfields round Inglewood and Ballarat.

I was struck by the similarity and am wondering whether William  George Stephens got the gold fever too.

Sue

ADDING
just spotted Christina's birth date on the lovely Bible page.
1824
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 03 March 09 22:52 GMT (UK)
Hi,
We have the date and place of Christina's marriage, but we do not have William George's parents' names.

Saw this death in NSW

4745/1900  STEPHENS,  WILLIAM G  father MATHEW mother not known @     BATHURST

Bit of a longshot ;D,

Sue   
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Tuesday 03 March 09 23:25 GMT (UK)
Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888


I cannot beleive I missed these when I  looked  perhaps it was  the Surname  spelling throwing me off DOh doh doh

births in Victoria
to Wm Geo STEPHENS and Christina McCritchie

STEPHENS  Unnamed 1859 reg no 717
STEPHENS  Emily Jeanette 1861 at South Yarra reg no 19486
STEPHENS  Mary Jemima 1864 at Collingwood reg no 14416 died aged 4 months in 1864 reg no 7506



Jenn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 03 March 09 23:36 GMT (UK)
Hi Jenn,
They are good finds.

It is odd though that the death certficate does not mention them.

We would expect to see living and dead children

Caroline appears to be the only child. freeman

Sue
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Tuesday 03 March 09 23:41 GMT (UK)
Sue

I  don't feel  that Ferryman actual says anything about children being recorded on the death certificate?

Jenn

Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 03 March 09 23:44 GMT (UK)
Yes, Jenn,
I agree what he says is a bit ambiguous.


We also got Caroline's birth cert, she was born Swanston St Melbourne, and Christina was 43 at the time of her birth. Caroline appears to be the only child.


Not sure how you could deduce from a birth certificate that a person never had siblings.

Sue
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: Ferryman on Wednesday 04 March 09 13:09 GMT (UK)
Hello Sue and Jenn
So much to learn not least perils of making assumptions! Sorry we misread Caroline's birth cert entry, the 5 looks like a 6 in the year column, there is a much more distinct 1857 at the top of the page. So Christina was 33 at time of the birth.
We thought Caroline was only child because we could not find other matches, obviously we were not looking in the right places.
Christina may have died alone without family. Cause dysentery and exhaustion 3 months. Informant (??hard to read) T H Parsons, authorised agent. Parents not known. Married particulars not known. Witnesses to burial S A S Clowes and E H Weekes. Birthplace Queensferry Ireland (perhaps they were thinking of Queenstown in Ireland, a major emigrant port at that time).
Melbourne general cemetery very helpful, says she was buried in the Presbyterian section compartment K grave 706. This grave is a public unmarked grave and the section with a mixture of unmarked graves and headstones is clearly visible on Google Earth.
The three children were a good find, as is the Wm Geo Stephens in Bathurst. We too wondered about the gold rush. We're trying to find him in London before he left but birth regn did not begin until 1837, he might be in 1841 first national census as are the two sisters in Queensferry.
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Wednesday 04 March 09 19:48 GMT (UK)
Hello  there Ferryman

Does  the death show many children she  had .  They normally  do  ie 2 living three dead


Jenn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: Ferryman on Thursday 05 March 09 08:26 GMT (UK)
No luck there I'm afraid. Col 13 on the Cert is headed Children but Married particulars not known is written across both 12 & 13
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Thursday 05 March 09 08:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Ferryman,
It is rather sad isn't it.
It is a bit silly to get emotionally invovled with the ancestors, but I cannot help thinking that the girl of the wonderful letter to her father got lost along the way.

The place she died was for the destitute while none of her family, as we know of them, in Geelong and Sydney, seemed to do be aware of her plight.  No-one at the Home knew what we know about her marriage and children and early life.

Ah well, that's family history ::)

I wonder whether we can locate William George's origins in South Australia.

Sue

Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: tropicalj on Thursday 05 March 09 09:30 GMT (UK)
Quote
We also got Caroline's birth cert, she was born Swanston St Melbourne, and Christina was 43 at the time of her birth. Caroline appears to be the only child.
I wonder what happened to Christina's husband William George Stephens, born London England and a draper at the time of their marriage at Margaret's house in Adelaide? Have tried Victoria bmd and there is no match. Perhaps he died before her and in a different State?

re this quote by Ferryman

We will have to look  at England for a bit more on him

Jenn
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: Ferryman on Thursday 05 March 09 11:13 GMT (UK)
Yes Sp I found it unexpectedly moving at times, the two sisters fared very differently. Maybe they fell out, no problem to a McRitchie ::)
Christina's age in her daughter's birth cert is very hard to decipher, we thought it might be 24 and so it was age at which parent arrived in Australia. This added to earlier confusion over her age (Tuesday postings)
The informant of the birth was the father Wm George Stephens.
Enlarged/cleaned up in Photoshop and we conclude Christina's age is 28 on the cert, certainly the 2 is clear, when in fact she was 33 ...
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: Ferryman on Saturday 07 March 09 14:57 GMT (UK)
Spent ages searching for Wm Geo Stephens around London but bmd registration did not start until 1837 and fm the 1856 marriage record he was born 1825. Nothing in 1841 census, very little in 1851 census.
I have ordered copy of the 1900 Bathurst death cert, as Sue says a long shot but hopefully it will have name of spouse. This will take 2 wks, will post again when we hear result
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: Ferryman on Friday 27 March 09 14:29 GMT (UK)
We heard from the transcriptor and this is the wrong Stephens. Wm Geo the husband of Christina seems to have disappeared.
However we also heard from the kind folks at Geelong Cemetery who sent us pictures of Margaret's headstone. It's been a wonderful story and many, many thanks to you for discovering it for us.
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 28 March 09 01:31 GMT (UK)
Hi ferryman,

How disappointing :(

However, I suppose it was really the girls you were pursuing and we have not done badly there.

It is good to hear that the contacts you have made regarding transcrptions and burials heave been helpful in attending to your requests.

It is an interesting story.

Sue
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: roma from alex on Tuesday 03 January 17 01:24 GMT (UK)
Hello Ferryman from Alexandra in Victoria Australia, near Yea.   There is an obituary in the local paper
dated 21 Dec 2016 for Ross Harvey Sichlau, 22 March 1946-7December 2016.   Son of Maisie and Lou Sichlau (both dec.) of Yea. I can send you a full transcript if you would like it. Roma of Alex
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: judb on Tuesday 03 January 17 02:05 GMT (UK)
Hi Alex and welcome to Rootschat

Ferryman hasn't used Rootschat since 2013 but I think a message would be sent regarding your post today.  Hopefully there'll be a reply.

Judith
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: roma from alex on Tuesday 03 January 17 02:58 GMT (UK)
Thanks Judith.   It was a long shot on my part.   I am Roma btw.   'from Alex' means 'from Alexandra'.
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: Ferryman on Tuesday 03 January 17 12:26 GMT (UK)
Hello Roma, hello Judith. Yes I'm still around, just about, having personally discovered our history of heart disease like so many Scottish families. I did notice its prevalence in many death certificates during research but 2014 really brought our medical history to life ... er, maybe that's not the phrase but my surgeons did a wonderful job on my plumbing.

The story of my family's Australian emigrants was by far the highlight of our history. In 1872 my greatx3 aunt Margaret Goddard's daughter Louisa married Emil Theodore Sichlau (1844-1910) a Norwegian emigrant from Oslo and the family moved to Geelong, where they had three children. Louisa died in 1902 aged only 50, and her son Louis died at 35, which makes me wonder if they too inherited our cardiac history. Her husband Emil died in 1910 aged 65. All are buried in Geelong Cemetery, where the very kind staff sent me a picture of their headstone.

I did not follow the Sichlau connection further but I would like to have copy of the obit. If the Sichlau family would like to have our story from North Queensferry in Fife to Australia, which is part of their history too, they would be very welcome, as indeed is anyone else as it could never have been written without the help of so many in Oz -- thanks again!

Roma, I shall send you a PM.  Best wishes for 2016 to you all.


Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: judb on Wednesday 04 January 17 03:14 GMT (UK)
Duh!  Sorry Roma I think I had a mental blank!

Sorry Ferryman to hear that you have had difficulties with inherited health. My husband's family has had similar problems which are now fully treatable but not in the days of his forebears.

Roma may have to make another post before the PM system will work.

You may have these - there are mentions in local and other newspapers of the SICHLAUs
For example, here is the marriage notice for Maisie (nee Templeton) and Louis SICHLAU, October, 1942
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12000569
and the birth notice for Ross Harvey Sichlau whose obit was mentioned by Roma

To search go to
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/

Judith
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: judb on Wednesday 04 January 17 03:29 GMT (UK)
This article says that Louisa,  d 1902, aged 50, was thought to be recovering rapidly from a 'difficult operation' when she 'took a turn for the worse'
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/149747871?

An obit for Emil Theodroe SICHLAU, d Feb 1910
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/150696317

Death Notice for Louis Theodre SICHLAU, d Nov 1913 says he died 'after a short illness" - not much help there in fnding the cause of death!
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/7253540

Judith
Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 04 January 17 10:33 GMT (UK)
Hi
You may have this but I took a wee look in the Norwegian Church Books and found Emil's birth record. He was born 9 Jan 1844 and baptized 22 Jan 1844. His parents were Carl Sichlau and Sara Emilie Larsen:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20060217020831.jpg


Ian

Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: Ferryman on Thursday 05 January 17 16:05 GMT (UK)
Hello everyone

I'm very touched that so many of you are still prepared to share news of your findings. I am not following up the Sichlau connection as I tied up the last McRitchie link in 2012 and published our family history in a book FERRIES TO FINERY: the McRitchie Family 1650-1914. A copy was sent to the Victoria State Library.

The most fascinating chapter is the one dealing with my gt-gt-gtaunts Margaret and Christina who emigrated to Australia in 1847. At that time so many Scots were emigrating that a steamer ran between Leith north of Edinburgh and Tilbury near London. Britain's railway network was only beginning and the emigrant sailing ships left from Tilbury because steam did not have the range. They then continued around the world for the return journey to take advantage of the prevailing winds, calling at St Helena for provisions en route.

This chapter could not have been written without the help of the Rootschat community, particularly Sue and Jenn. The emigrants' story now forms a 19Mb PDF file and I would be delighted to mail it to any Rootschatter who sends me their email addy by PM.

Best wishes everyone, and thanks again!   Michael

Title: Re: Immigrants to Melbourne
Post by: MSN1998 on Monday 18 October 21 09:23 BST (UK)
Hi,
I'd really like to know more about the Sichlau-connection ;-) As I myself is a Sichlau.