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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: monks13 on Saturday 28 February 09 10:54 GMT (UK)
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Looking for anything on Lauder's in Perthshire especially the following.
John(or William) Lauder c1760's.
David Lauder b:c1789. died 7/7/1875.
Alexander Lauder c1833 died c1905 .
David Campbell Lauder b:1858 d:1947.
I have variuos locations but nothing precise.
John around Crieff perthshire. then the others Muthill, Blackford,Greenloaning, Kinbuck,Dunblane all Perthshire.
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Hi Kenny - Is this your lot !!!
1861 census
Alexander Lauder c1833 Blackford Perthshire.
Janet Lauder 1837 St Cuthberts Edinburgh.
David Lauder 1858 Crieff.
Janet Lauder 1860 Trinity Gask Perthshire.
They are living at Dunblane Kinbuck Road and he is a platelayers.
If they are yours let me know and will further investigate...
Take care..patvp
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Again Kenny -
1841 census -
David Lauder 1789 Perthshire occ carter.
Margaret Lauder wife c1795 Perthshire.
Alexander Lauder c1831 Perthshire.
Stewart Lauder 1836 Perthshire.
Slekan ???? (bad transcribing) 1833 Perthshire.
Jeand Lauder c1788 Perthshire (Lodger).
Address at the time Tullibardine Joan (again bad transcribing) would imagine is Road. Blackford Parish, Perthshire.
patvp
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That's them Pat.
Trying to get on again with This Tree.
Every time i think i am getting on with it i get sidetracked by something
else.
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Hi Kenny - Don't know what sort of info you require but there are more census details on Ancestry, just yell if you need them
Regards pat
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Anything on them at all Pat would be much appreciated.
What info i have given you is all i have so far.
Kenny.
This is much appreciated Pat.
Is there anything i can do for you ? if i can.
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o.k. m'dear ;D
1851 census -
Still at Tullibardine Lone occ labourer.
David 1790 Blackford age 61.
Margaret 1795 this time place of birth Couper Angus ??
Ellen (this could be the Slekan ?? in the 41 cenus.1834 Blackford.
Stewart Lauder 1836 Blackford.
and a lodger Duncan Armstrong c1800 from Muthill.
So far cannot find in the 1861, but will keep looking.
Pat
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You couldn't have timed that better Pat.
Just come of the phone to a friend who has just been up to Blackford
this morning trying to trace some of her family graves in the old cemetary
and she says there are headstones with the Lauder name on them.
So i will take a run up sometime and get some pic's.
Another thing i am trying to do is sort out photo's i have but don't have a clue who they are.
So with the help of a magnifying glass and pot luck ,i am trying to get distinguishable facial features, and sort (or try) my mums side from my dads.
Don't suppose you can distinguish any familiar features from this pic of my dad with any that may run in your family.
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1861 - census
Alexander Lauer c1833 Blackford.
Janet Lauder 1837 St Cuthberts
David 1858 Crieff.
Janet 1860 Trinity Gask.
Address Kinbuck Road and he is a platelayer.
1881 census
Alexander 1833 Blackford.
Janet Edinburgh Midlothia.
Ann c1870 Dunblane.
John c1873 Dunblane.
Alexander 1876 Dunblane.
Robert 1878 Dunblane.
Address Double Row No 11 - occ platelayers on Railway.
1901 census
Alexander 1833 Blackford (still a platelayer on the railway)
Janet 1839 Edinburgh Midlothia.
Alexander c1878 Dunblane - occ Cotton Bleacher.
Robert c1878 Dunblane occ Wool Spinner.
Wil have another look at this tomorrow as am pretty tired..had a long week-end with friends and far too much red wine and good food...awa tae ma bed...Pat
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Hi Kenny and Pat :)
Kenny, you might try contacting a lady on this site www.nwkfhs.org.uk/int_jl.htm. Her research interests amongst others include:
LAUDER Blackford area Perth SCT 18-20c
Monica
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You also have on Ancestry forum:
I have an Eizabeth Lauder born baptised 11 May 1783 at Crieff Perth., David Lauder bap 27 Dec 1789, died 17 Jul 1875 at Blackford Perthshire, John born 1779, William bap 29 Oct 1780, at Crieff, and James bap 12 Oct 1777 at Crieff, diedf 12 Jan 1863. Parents John Lauder , no other information and mother Janet Burden christened 4 April 1756 Dunblane Perth Married 24 Nov 1776, Crieff, Perth.
http://boards.ancestry.myfamily.com/surnames.lauder/66.2/mb.ashx
Monica
Added: This looks to be the 1756 birth entry mentioned above for Janet Burden:
JANET BURDEN Birth: 27 MAR 1756/ Christening: 04 APR 1756 Dunblane, Perth, Scotland. Father: ALEXR. BURDEN
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Thank you very much Monica.
I have had a quick check, and it looks like John Lauder and Jane Burdon are my 4x grt
Grandparents.
Kenny
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Aye, LAUDER, well i have not long found this site again. I have a few of that name, in the tree; Look at <http://buchananstewart.tribalpages.com>
good luck
Doun
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Hi Kenny,
I have Lauder's from Perthshire in my family tree, although from around Little Dunkeld/Blairgowrie way:
George Lauder (b1750c) m. Elizabeth Clerk
children:
William Lauder (1772) m. Grace/Grizel Strachan/Stratton
David Lauder (1774) m. Janet Herdsman
John Lauder (1777)
Clementina Lauder (1778) m. George Scott
Amelia Lauder (1880c) m. John Scrimgeour
another possible (but not proven) sibling is Helen Lauder m. John Doig
I have a great deal on their descendants. Families might match up at some point but so far can't reconcile my tree with yours....let me know if you see a fit somewhere.
Best wishes,
Lauren
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I am searching for Lauder from Perth. Margaret Anderson born 10 March 1793 at Coupar Angus who married David Lauder 27 Dec 1789 at crieff. Had children who were born at Auchterarder, Perth or Blackford Perth. Children are William, James, john, Elizabeth, Robert, Alexander,Stewart Archer and Helen. I am living in Brisbane Australia. I have quite a lot of information on several of the children.
I have just had my Lauder's DNA taken and will be published any day on dna.ancestry.com
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Kenny,
I too am related to John Lauder and Janet Burden. I live in Brisbane Australia.
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Hello Narelle.
I have David Lauder (Farmer) born c1789 died 7/7/1875. Wife Margret Anderson (her parents Robert and Margret Wilson).
David and Margret are my 3x grt grandparents and I am decended through thier son
Alexander d.o.b c1833 d.o.d c1905. His son David d.o.b c1858 d.o.d 13/3/1947. his son Alexander d.o.b 13/7/1882 d.o.d 9/10/1967. then my dad Alexander d.o.b17/8/1919 d.o.d 7/9/2003.
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Hi, I have David married oat Crieff at Perthshire but no date. I have a photo of David and Maggie. I have his parents as John Lauder bn Scotland and married on 24 Nov 1776 at Crieff to Janet Burden bn 27 Mar 1756 I have her father as Alexander Burden and her siblings bn John Burden bn 22 Jun 1756 and Anna Burden bn 22 Jun 1754.
I have David Lauder bn 27/12/1789 at Crieff and siblings John Lauder bn 1/9/1779, Willliam bn 29 Oct 1780, Elizabeth bn 11 May 1783 and James bn 12 Oct 1877. I have nothing on anyone except for David.
I have David and Margaret with the following children.
William bn 26/9/1818 died Perth 18th Aug 1891,
James bn 19/1/1829 Died 12/1/1863, John bn 17/11/1816 died 1860, , Elizabeth bn unknown, Robertbn 1826, Alexander Lather bn 19 Jun 1831, Stewart Archer Lauder bn 9/10/1835 died 1923 Portage Manitobaq Canada and Helen Lauder bn 8 Jun 1833.
William married Janet McKay on 27/1/1850 at Blackford and had David Lauder bn 2/12/1850, John McKay Lauder bn 18/12/1852 (his relations went to New Zealand) Duncan Alxander Lauder (My rellies) bn 22/11/1955 Margaret Lauder bn 1/8/1858 Janet LaUDER.Jessie McLaren Lauder married david Winchester ,
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continued.
David Married Catherine Ross Miller and died in New Zealand on 7/7/1924. They had William Lauder bn 14/11/1878, Alexander Lauder bn 7/3/1880, David Lauder bn 1881 and Margaret Lauder bn 12/8/1885 and another unknown. David emmigrated in NZ on the Nelson which arrived at Port Chalmers 26/12/1875.
Emmigrated from Glasgow to Lylttleton on Jessie Osborne on 6 Nov 1875 and arrived on 30 Jan 1876. After Jane died in 1884, he apparently left Ireland & Co, flourmillers in Oamaru and went north to look for better work. He was apparently killed in a railway accident shortly afterwards although there is no death record or certificate. The 4 children were fostered by a family named Wylie in Oamaru. Apparently David and John did not always see eye to eye, possible why they did not take the 4 orphaned children.
John McKay Lauder was born in Falkirk, Scotland on 18 November 1852. Falkirk is a small village in Perthshire some 30 kilometres from Glasgow where his father William Lauder grew up. John was the second son of William and Janet (nee McKay) who had a family of seven. Little is known of William's background at this time, except that he was one of seven children of David Lauder and Margaret Anderson who were born around 1788. Jane was born Jane Bradley on 21 October 1849. She was the third of a family of five to John Bradley and Elizabeth Robb who lived in nearby Perth.
John was a Candle Maker by trade. He married Jane on 24 June 1874 in Perth. Records of their children born in Scotland are somewhat vague. Information passed down through the family suggests that they had two children who both died in their infancy. However, International Genealogical Index (IGI) records held by the Mormon Church and the absence of any children in the shipping records confirm that only one child was born to them in February 1875. She was christened Jane Bradley Lauder, however, she died on 29 June 1875 at the age of only 4 months. A headstone in her memory stands in the Perth cemetery. It also has an inscription on it recording the death of John's father, William, on 19 August 1891 at the age of 72 years. John and Jane erected the headstone presumably before they emigrated to New Zealand. William's inscription was added later by some other family member who remained in Scotland.
Whether it was the tragedy of losing their little daughter or the fact that John's brother similarly moved to New Zealand, John and Jane decided to emigrate to New Zealand. They came on the Jessie Osborne, a vessel of 1056 tons under Captain Falconer from Glasgow on 6 November 1875. The ship's manifest records John and Jane's passage which brought them to Lyttleton on 30 January 1876. It appears that John followed his brother, David Lauder, to Oamaru where David had separately emigrated on the Nelson, which arrived at Port Chalmers on 26 December 1875. David was a single man when he came to New Zealand, however, he married some two years later.
It appears that both John and David worked in the Oamaru flour milling business owned by Ireland and Company.The mill was adjacent to the Severn Street Bridge that is now State Highway No 1. The mill building was pulled down some years ago. The site has a Mitre Ten store on it today.
As noted earlier in this narrative, this was where the Lauder family as we now know it, established its roots with the arrival of four children to John and Jane.
"John Lauder and his brother David did not always agree and John, hearing of a better job further north, left Oamaru to see about it. Unfortunately there was a train accident where an unknown man lost his life and it was often thought that John Lauder was that man. He was never heard of again."
There is no death certificate for John. Merv Lauder, a great grandson of John has carried out an extensive search of various records to establish the circumstances of John's death, however, to date there is no better record than that provided by John's granddaughter, Margaret McNaughton.
"John Lauder and his brother David did not always agree and John, hearing of a better job further north, left Oamaru to see about it. Unfortunately there was a train accident where an unknown man lost his life and it was often thought that John Lauder was that man. He was never heard of again."
There is no death certificate for John. Merv Lauder, a great grandson of John has carried out an extensive search of various records to establish the circumstances of John's death, however, to date there is no better record than that provided by John's granddaughter, Margaret McNaughton.
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Thought I would throw this in the melting pot.
Have just obtained marriage for ..
Alexander Lauder and Jeanie Brownlie 1903 at Stirling.
Jeanie is my line !!!
Alexanders parents are given as David Lauder occ farm grieve and Mary Ann Finlayson, Alexander is age 20 so approx date of birth 1883..but where ?? his address is Carse of Cambus, Doune and his occ is "barman".
Jeannies address is given as Graham St, Doune.
Over to you Kenny ;D
Regards Patvp
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Now have marriage for David Lauder and Mary Ann Finlayson.
Married 03 Mar 1882 at Ardoch in Perthshire. Age given for David 24 so approx birth would be 1858. occupation ploughman.
Parents given as Alexander Lauder occ railway surface man
Janet Lauder m.s. Campbell.
Parents Mary Ann Finlayson are James Finlayson occ looks like Tkck Railway Station and Ann Reid. Mary Ann's age given as 27 so approx dob 1855.
Regards Patvp
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Hi Pat.
Don't know if I have said before (my comp' crashed and I lost a lot of data)
Alexander and Jeanie are my Grandparents.
Kenny
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Hi Kenny - I don't think we had established that fact, we had got as far as the Connelly's from Sweetie Lane.
Jeanie was the daughter of Maggie Stewart..was Connelly..then King.
Her grandparents were Robert Stewart and Jean Ferguson, my g/g/grandparents.
Anything I can do re lost data ??
What happened with Alex and Jeanie, how man y children etc etc, as you know cannot get much info after 1901 ;D and would be interested to know.
Regards Pat
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I am descended from Helen Lauder who married John Doig in 1799 in Clunie. This couple appear to have moved into Blairgowrie in 1810ish. No idea what happened to John, but he appears to be dead by 1841. Helen is still alive and living in Spalding Square with her widowed daughter and grandchildren. I believe she is the daughter of George Lauder, but not the George Lauder (tailor) who married Elizabeth Clerk in Little Dunkeld.
I've done a lot of work on the Lauders in the Little Dunkeld, Blairgowrie, Clunie, Caputh region over the last year or so prior to briefly visiting Perthshire in May this year.
For those of you interested in the George Lauder/Elizabeth Clerk line, I think I've cracked a little bit about your lot too... mainly because I have a dear friend who is descended from their supposed daughter Amelia (and I don't think she belongs to them at all... but that's for another post).
My Helen Lauder had at least four sisters, though probably by different mothers. These girls were:
- Christian b1771 Caputh
- (my Helen in here, no bp yet found)
- Janet b 1775 (died as a child/baby) Caputh
- Agnes b 1777 Caputh, died pre 1855 but had a son William Campbell (1811-1866)
- Janet b 1780 d 1858 Blairgowrie, but is buried in Clunie. Unmarried. Informant was William Campbell, who states her parents were George Lauder and Christian Inches.
Amelia Lauder as mentioned above married John Scrimgeour. No idea what happened to her either, but I do know the widowed John Scrimgeour and daughter were living in the same house as my widowed Helen Lauder and her children and grandchildren on both the 1841 and 1851 census. The house was Spalding Square, Blairgowrie, which my friend and I believe is now 16 Perth Street. Can anyone confirm this? I'm having trouble doing so through the usual property records such as Post Office Directories and Valuation Rolls.
Anyway, we can't yet prove there is a connection between the two George Lauder families in this area, but are convinced there is one. Certainly Amelia Lauder's family and my Helen's family definitely knew each other not only in Blairgowrie, but also lived in Cothill Cottage near Forneth at about the same time as well.
I would love to hear from anyone else researching these two families.
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Hi there. Awfully interested in what research youve done re the George lauder(s) above. I was wondering who you might be ...then seeing your research Interests at the bottom of your post I vaguely remembered the surname Winwick from the early years of searching my genealogy and my brother Ewan was in touch with Robyn in Australia via Bruce Doig. And then Anna Moir and all the research youd done on her came back to me (I think I remember reading some of your articles in the Tay Valley FHS booklet) anyway I better go and walk the dog and then get the garden tidied up. Making the most of what's supposed to be a sunny day in Glasgow 😄 best wishes,
George hebenton
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Hello All.
I know, Long time since i have been on.
If any of you are still using this website , please bear with me and i'll try and get back up to speed with things over the next few weeks. Kenny