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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Somerset Lookup Requests => Somerset => England => Somerset Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: tyr on Monday 09 March 09 10:17 GMT (UK)
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Good evening,
I am having a problem with my Perrett family. According to Christening records Ann Perrett has her 3 base born children - James, Elizabeth and John all Christened in Great Cheverell, Wiltshire. John is "mine" and he says he was born in Great Cheverell. I think I have found James who says he is born in Bath. I was wondering if Removal Orders would provide any useful information and where would I find them? I am working on the supposition that Ann had James and possibly Elizabeth in Bath and was then removed back to Wiltshire (there are a lot of Perretts in Great Cheverell) were she had John. Is all this a bit far fetched? Am I away with the fairies?
Thank you
Kind regards
Jill
Strathalbyn
South Australia
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Jill, Some dates?
charlotte
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Sorry Charlotte
Bit blonde today.
All three children were baptised in Great Cheverell in 1805. In census records James seems to have been born around 1800 and John around 1805 - I don't know about Elizabeth. I would assume that removal orders would be between 1800 and 1805. Isn't there something else as well? Records of illegitimate children or something similar/
Kind regards
Jill
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Removal Orders... well... a whole topic and the devil to dig them out from my experience.. :(
It's the hard way to go with this but if you are convinced then you are looking at Overseers of the Poor records for various Parishes where your bods were...
Good luck as I never had any with this! :(
charlotte...
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Is there an easy way to go Charlotte? I'll try anything!
Kind regards
Jill
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Jill, What leads you to think there is a Removal Order involved with your lot?
charlotte
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Hi Charlotte
The family were not strangers to removal orders. If Ann had an illegitimate child (or 2) in Somerset then turns up for a third child in Wiltshire then I think checking removal orders might be worth while. I don't know what else to check! I am stumped! I am trying to prove that the child(ren) born in Bath are related to the child(ren) born in Wiltshire. The parish records (at odds with the IGI) show three children being baptised in Great Cheverell to Ann - all base born - all baptised on the same day. Two of these children (boys - cant find Elizabeth at the moment) live in Great Cheverell and seem to fit. But are they the correct brothers?
regards
Jill
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Hi Jill, Sounds logical-- the Removal Orders, from my limited experience using them, will be in the Parish Chest if the parish has such records or in the accounts of the Overseers of the Poor. The Rem Orders were Parish matters- getting a person off the payroll of one parish into another parish.
I got lucky once-There is a list of a whole family by name and children in correct order that someone stumbled across for me... 1800.
That was gold.
So maybe you need to try to order from LDS the films for that Parish's overseers accounts- and go thru them.
You'll need a lot of patience and good eyesight...
charlotte
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Thank you Charlotte
I will try that. John Perrett and his wife Thirza were removed in 1831 and those records showed they had twin girls which was a nice find. Wiltshire removal orders (or part of them) are on Findmypast - unfortunately Somerset are not.
Thank you for your help
Kind regards
Jill
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WOW, Jill, that's a bonus...
as a matter of curiosity, how do they set out the Rem. Orders on FindMyPast? as images or as transcribed?
Is it as accounts- costs etc. or do they have the Q & A session that sometimes went on to establish the facts about the person?
Do they have WRY Rem Orders on FindMyPast?
charlotte
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They are transcribed Charlotte
It shows who they are - date of the removal - gives a household number (no idea what that means) from place and to place; notes (such as husband of) and the WSRO reference. Do the actual records show much?
um......where is WRY? ??? My husband says West Riding (he cheated by looking at Google) - if it is then no - they are not there.
Just off to bed Charlotte - I'll get back to you though.
Kind regards
Jill
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Hi Jill, Looking at google is not cheating... just intelligent researching ;D
Yes, West Riding of Yorkshire...
Re the transcription shorthand - I've no idea what that means- maybe it a FindMyPast code or somthing. Why don't you put up a separate post asking for help about FindMyPast referencing system on Rem. Orders , quoting specifics such as you did to me? That is assuming FindMyPast has no code to help understand them... annoying that isn't it.
In the o/seers accounts there may give something interesting such as money given for relief--- that may be in the 'warm up' stage after which the parish decide the person is a liability... it may read" Ann Perret. food for children 3/-" Or "rent 2/6 for 3 weeks"... Then if they actually moved them something about 10/- to mr bloggins for carting Perret family to ... xxx destination.
YOu may mention of correspondence with the other parish to which they were being sent.."10d to clerk for letter to X parish about Ann Perret".. which gives you the clue where to look . In my limited experience there would be correspondence between the 2 parishes.
4.48 am here so maybe better go back to bed :)
charlotte
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Hi Charlotte
I think an email to WSRO and if they have it then maybe Somerset RO has them as well! I'd love to get some of the stuff you mentioned. Might be bastardy bonds as well.
We have a LDS branch near us but it seems to not function well - I ordered stuff 18mths ago and it's still not in. I am not sure why I picked on the Perretts to investigate - I have lots of other things to do - washing, ironing etc. Hope you slept well.
Kind regards
Jill
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Hi Jill, Washing, ironing, shopping are vast inconveniences that interrupt the important things of life such as digging up ancestors :D :D
Re LDS centres- someone posted on RC saying that there had been a decline in service- ie slow to get films etc. I used to go every week and had a constant flow of films ordered that I searched but things have changed and I need to be home so can't speak from current personal experince of LDS centres- pity if they drop away- they were so helpful.
Can you ever get to Somerset RO?
The Poor law stuff is wonderful- and the ultimate find is an inquistion transcrpitwhere the Overseers are interviewing the recipient of Poor Relief. i've never been so lucky as to get one... dream on..
Good luck with the dreaded housework ::)
keep us posted please.
charlotte
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Good evening Charlotte
I try and avoid the housework as much as possible but I live in a country area and with no rain for a while it gets a bit dusty - but if you keep the curtains drawn and the lights off you can't see it.
I have never been to Somerset RO and don't have travel plans to the UK at the moment - might change though - I was born there but have lived in Australia since 1959.
Enjoy your day
Kind regards
Jill
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Jill I know this post was a long time ago, but if you still remember what you found I would love to know. The James Perrett born in Bath is my family, but I have never been able to find him so he has remained the start of my family tree. I did also suspect he might be the illegitimate son of Ann, but found no proof other than from the DNA results on Ancestry. DNA suggests I have relatives in Australia and the link seems to be an Elizabeth Perrett whom I can't connect to my tree but if it were his sister it would all make sense.