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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: mckenzie20 on Tuesday 10 March 09 10:04 GMT (UK)
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Has anyone heard of the Crown and Thistle Inn/pub in Gatehouse of Fleet?
It was in Fleet Street in 1871 as my Great, great great Grand Father was the Innkeeper.
Regards,
Colin.
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Colin,
Don't despair if you're wondering why no reponse, you'll get one soon! Callywoods, who is from GOFleet and knows the buildings and history, is away basking in the sun ::) I'm sure she'll find your post when she returns.
Callywoods' Cousin
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Thank you.
I have found out that the Crown and Thistle was there in 1837/8 and the Innkeeper was James Murray, but as yet I cannot find a trace of it (apart from the census) in 1871.
David Brackenridge was the Innkeeper that year. He married Agnes Hanning in 1872 if that helps.
Thanks again for your response.
Kind Regards,
Colin.
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It helps a lot ;D I personally don't know Gatehouse well, although I have visited, but Agnes Haining jumped out at me because Haining is a family name of Callywoods'. Her Margaret Haining, daughter of John Haining and Jane/Janet McAdam married James McMurray (with a Mc, but often recorded as Murray). I'll ask Callywoods to get onto it as soon as she gets home.
Megan
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Forgot to say that Haining/Hanning is also interchangeable spelling.
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Thank you very much.
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I was interested to read that you have connections with the Crown and Thistle in Fleet Street.
I can tell you a bit about it.
In 1826 in Pigot's list (a local trade directory) one of 8 taverns listed in the town was the Scotch Crown run by James Murray
In 1837 among 16 innkeepers was the Crown and Thistle again run by James Murray
In 1852 the Crown and Thistle was not listed. This may have been because the landlord would not pay the charge for being included, as we know it was in existence in 1871.
I also found out a little about David Brackenridge. He was a committee member of the local curling club and the AGM was held in the Crown and Thistle in 1864. I have found other info about David Brackonridge's sporting interests but looking at the dates some may refer to his son, another David?
Hope this is of interest. Best wishes Mary
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Having read entry about Agnes Haining I am hoping someone maybe able to help clear up a mystery.
I have an Agnes Haining born about 1723 and married to a Thomas Clingan in Barrhead. This couple appear inscribed on the back of my Gt Grandfather/mother's stone at KPD but no one in the family can provide any details and so far I have drawn a blank.
Anyone able to provide any info please. For starters I didn't know Haining/Hanning were inter-changeable.
Regards
Ian Clingan
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Many thanks for the information. I know that David's Son William (my direct decendent) was born in 1865. His Brother David may be the sporting person that you refer to. I am intested in him also and would be pleased to be made aware of anything that he did.
I assume that the 'fate' of the Crown & Thistle was that it was demolished as I think only the Ship Inn remains in Fleet Street. I will be in Gatehouse of Fleet next month and I will do some searching.
To complete the picture, David's Son William left for Springburn in Glasgow. Sadly he had a leg amputated due to an accident whilst working as a Railway signalman. His Son David was a highly intelligent person (I am biased) who was the Father of my Mother Catherine. It would have been my Mother's 80th Birthday today.
I cannot thank you enough for helping me with the search.
Regards,
Colin.
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Having read entry about Agnes Haining I am hoping someone maybe able to help clear up a mystery.
I have an Agnes Haining born about 1723 and married to a Thomas Clingan in Barrhead. This couple appear inscribed on the back of my Gt Grandfather/mother's stone at KPD but no one in the family can provide any details and so far I have drawn a blank.
Anyone able to provide any info please. For starters I didn't know Haining/Hanning were inter-changeable.
Regards
Ian Clingan
Can't help you with your Haining mystery, Ian, but can add to the comment I made about the spelling of the name. The OPR's have sometimes recorded "our" Hannings as Haining, but later the spelling is usually Hanning. Since I know they are the same people being referred to, it is always useful to try the variations when searching for them :)
Scatza
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Hi Colin
Glad you found the information useful.
You said that you thought the Crown and Thistle would have been demolished but I'm sure the building is still there. According to some local records it reverted to being a house and in 1921 a Mrs R McMillan was living there. Very little gets demolished in Gatehouse - its now a conservation area and many buildings are listed. I will try and find the exact building for you but it may be difficult. These taverns were no bigger than ordinary houses. The inns were bigger and more easily identified as they were hotels, not just drinking houses.
I will send you any other stuff I can find about the Brackenridges.
Cheers Mary
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I am very grateful for the help that I am receiving.
Many thanks.
All of the information has proved to be very useful.
Best wishes,
Colin.
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Hi Colin!
Good news! I think the actual Crown and Thistle building has been found. I mentioned it to a local historian and he did some research.
The house is now 2 Bridge Terrace, the first house (quite a substantial one) over the brige, opposite the Ship Inn.
It wa built by James Murray about 1818. In 1833 he sold the property to William Henry and on his death in 1860 was bought by Mr Murray Stewart, a local landowner who owned it till 1896. During this time it would have been let to various tenants including Thomas Birtwhistle Tait, innkeeper and to David Brackenridge.
Best wishes Mary
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Hi Mary,
I do not know what to say. How can I thank you?
It means everything to me and my Family to know where my Great great Grand Father and his family lived.
I should have been in Gatehouse of Fleet with my W
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To the person asking about Agnes Haining (not Hanning). Agnes was the second Wife of David Brackenridge. Agnes died in Gatehouse on 23/07/1895.
A stone memorial was paid for by her Family and is in Girthon cemetery.
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Hello
I am new to Rootschat so excuse any imcompetence! I am tracing my McMillan side of the family (grandmothers maternal line).
Jessie McMillan (great grandmother) was married in the Ship Inn, Gatehouse in 1908 to James Davidson. Her mother was Margaret McMillan (nee Brown) and father was William McMillan (a sea captain). She had 2 sisters Margaret and Agnes and a brother, Nicholas.
I beleive their house is still there in Fleet Street.
Anyone with any information or recollations of the McMillans please get in touch. We are particularly interested to know the name of my great great grandfathers ship which was lost at sea. I promised my great aunt (who died 2 years ago) that I would try and find out.
Many thanks
Ann
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Hi Mary.......I notice in you reply to Colin of 04, April, '09, a reference to William Henry as an owner of the above premises and wonder if you may be able provide me with any background information on William?
Many thanks.....Bob.
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Sorry Bob I'm afraid I don't have any information about William Henry, as far as I remember.
I expect you know that your Thomas Dalrymple is buried in Old Girthon churchyard.
Best wishes Mary
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Hi Mary......Many thanks for your quick response on William Henry. I can look more into this now to see if anything turns up.
Thanks also for your note on the headstone.....yes, I do have this.
Kind regards........Bob.
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Hello
Read with interest all the posts about Gatehouse, and am writing on behalf of a friend who is descended from a family in that area.
Family in question is the Brian's / Bryan's -the surname alters over the various Census. The furthest back relation she can find is one James Brian, born c1800 Ireland who marries Jean Mcmillan, born c1802 in Kirkcudbrightshire.
In the 1841c James Brian, wife and children are living at Birtwhistle Street.
1851c and 1861c they are at 15 Birtwhistle Street.
Majority of their children also lived in later census at Birtwhistle Street. Also in the 1871c his daughter Jane Hewitson nee Brian is living at the Crown and Thistle which was mentioned in the first post.
Does anyone have any more info on this family?
Thanks
Redbook
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Hi
I'm probably a bit off topic here but I thought you may be interested to see how 15 Birtwhistle Street, Gatehouse of Fleet looks now. www.gallowaycottage.co.uk (http://www.gallowaycottage.co.uk)
My partner and I bought it in 2006 and we're planning to retire there asap!
We are told the internal wooden doors, (you can see one in the bedroom shot), are original with hand made nails. There is also an exposed beam at the bottom of the stairs we call Andy's beam after the friend who exposed it during renovations. That's him in the photo.
The second pic is The Ship Inn which I was suprised to read served as a marriage venue back then!
Thanks for an interesting read.
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Hi McKenzie20,
I am involved in searching for descendants of a William Brackenridge, and have ended up with a David Brackenridge who was an innkeeper at Crown & Thistle, Gatehouse of Fleet.
I hope you can share the result of your search please. I know it was more than 5 years ago.
Tom Buchanan
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Hi,
Further update on William Brackenridge, found an article in Scotsman 13 Nov 1880, for him receiving 9 month sentence for forging his father's signature and obtaining a sum of money.
"Wm, Breckenridge (sic) pleaded guilty of forging the signature of his father and obtaining thereby sums of money from Mr Cairns, Union Bank, Gatehouse. He was sentenced to 9 months imprisonment"
Therefore he would be in prison at the census in 1881.
Tom