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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: lilbees on Wednesday 11 March 09 10:12 GMT (UK)
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Probus, Cornwall......All
James Yeoman b. 1745
Wife Mary Nankevil b. 1734
children:
Bennett b. 1769 children: Phillipa, James, Mary
James b. 1767 family ?
Phillip?/Phillipa? b. 1776 family?
Would like to expand information on Bennett's family as well as the others. Possibly more children of James.
lilbees
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Hi lilbees,
I suspect this would be James = Sarah CROWL 28 Mar 1791 St Stephen in Brannel.
They had several children in Probus
Mary 26 Dec 1791 aged 1
James 7 July 1793 - 13 Apr 1799
Elizabeth 4 Sep 1796
Thomas 28 Dec 1797
John 26 Jan 1799
James 13 July 1802 aged 1
Bennet 16 Apr 1809 aged 1
I don't see a baptism for Philippa. The only one I can see was the daughter of Peter Yeoman and Jane (Thomas) 1 Jan 1780 Probus. They married 4 Oct 1767 Ladock.
Cheers Kris :)
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I think you might be off a bit with James age.
It looks like James and Peter were possibly brothers
James YEOMAN bap 14 Jun 1731 St Erme to James and Cath
Peter YEOMAN 6 Jun 1729 St Erme
also
Ursula 22 Oct 1726
Kath 1 Nov 1733
Bennet 23 May 1736 (although Father listed as John)
James YEOMAN = Catherine RETALLICK 1 Jan 1725 Ladock
Cheers Kris :)
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Thanks for your assistance. Having a problem with it.
I do know Bennett b. 1769 married to Bathua Hotten m. 1810, (also see a reference to Temperance, possibly middle name for Bathua, 1841 census).
When Bennett's son James came to the US in 1846, he was accompanied by "brother" Phillip. Possibly a Phillipa? age 35, with James' wife Elizabeth (Pentecost) Yeoman and children. I picked up James as a brother since Bennett was a witness at his marriage to Susan Crowl.
On the Probus marriages there is a 2nd marriage listed for James Yeoman b. abt 1745 to a Mary Warwick m. 1825.
I know this is confusing without actual documentation. Without this forum I just didn't know where to apply for some of the documents (if available).
Working backward is, obviously, not easy.
Any suggestions would certainly be appreciated as to direction.
lilbees
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the James Yeoman who married Catherine Retallack didn't marry for a second time. He died in 1741 and I have a copy of his will! ;D
I have Yeomans in Ladock and last time I was in the record office I made a copy of this will thinking he was related to my line. He left money to his 6 children, the 5 listed above and another son Simon and his aunt Dorothy. I think he was baptised 4/11/1701 son of James & Ursula (Allen) in Ladock. It's possible he had a sister Ursula who married Francis Retallack - this is 'my' line.
The parish records for Ladock aren't in the best condition and some pages are completely illegible. The opc has done a great job in transcribing the records, but there are gaps.
http://www.ladock.com/
This is why I've been gathering wills to try and work out relationships. I can find no baptism for one of my Huddy line in Ladock, but his father added his life to a lease and it is noted that he was 19 at the time. So, it can be a case of finding other documentation.
There's a lot of intermarrying between a few families and much naming of children after grandparents, so gets very confusing with repeated names.
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Thanks for your reply. I guess we are tracking 2 different Yeoman lines. Who knows, they may in fact be connected wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy back.
I saw the family from Ladock but have not been able to tie into anyone. Similar names sometimes. But the names commonly used were typical for that time period.
Thank you again.
lilbees
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Forgot to address Kris' posting.
Kris, I am looking at the James you suggested married to Sarah Crowl as James Sr's son. As I said earlier, the only reason I am assuming James is son of James is because of the witness at his wedding being Bennett (with 2 t's) Yeoman. And now in your list of children for James you have a Bennet (1 t) as the youngest child.
lilbees
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Kris, forgot to add, the Hotten family tree I have access to also confirms the birthdate for Bennett and the marriage date with Bathsua. This is all I had for a reference until I located the Parish Clerks data to confirm.
lilbees
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Hi lilbees,
You mention Phillip/a coming to the USA so this is a different generation than the Philippa you mention in the initial post. This is Philippa Hotten YEOMAN 8 July 1811 Probus, sister to James 1 Apr 1813 Probus. I have examined the families entry to the US and the entry clearly states Phillip YEOMAN 35 female It is quite common with the Cornish to not use an a in this famale name, making it appear at times to be the male name Phillip.
If you already have copies of the parish records that is the only documentation there will be for these events. If not, when you have the dates you can purchase copies from the parish registers from the CRO if you desire.
http://www.cornwall.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=38210
James baptism being after the forms arrive in 1813 will provide a little more information such as occupation of father and possibly a residence.
Although both Bathshua and Temperance are biblical in origin (Bathshua - daughter of opulence, Temperance - moderation, restraint) I would not see these names as being interchangeable,(as to a middle name, but with the names being so different in meaning I would not think it terribly likely they would be used together. Are sure it is the same person? I note Bennett and Temperance are of similar age in 1841, presumably both deceased by 1851. (If standard rule was applied Bathshua should list as aged 65)
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi again lilbees,
The person in the 1841 census is not Bathshua
Bashua YEOMAN was buried 11 May 1816 Probus aged 41 years
a perfect match for
Bathshua HOTTEN bap 30 Sep 1775 the daughter of William and Philippa
I would suggest this burial would explain Bathshua's death
Mary 14 Jan 1817 aged 8 months :'(
I will throw these in also (If you don't know about Bathshau's death you may not have these either ;) )
I see Bennetts brother James was buried 14 Nov 1825 aged 58 I note he left a will but I don't see one for dad on the CRO site. http://crocat.cornwall.gov.uk/DServe/searchpage.htm
anyway, and his wife Sarah was buried Probus 6 May 1821 aged 57
also son Richard 4 Sep 1814 aged 19
Cheers Kris :)
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OK,
Mary YEOMAN baptised 11 May 1816 Father Bathsua (baptised the same day as her mother was buried) Some of these things we see make us very sad. This is certainly one. Mum had died in childbirth and was not even listed at baptism. :'( It was after the forms arrived so full entry may say more.
Bennet YEOMAN = Temperance BARNS 21 Jun 1818 Probus
Possibly, Temperance BARNS baptised St Clement 23 Jun 1771 parents Charles and Temperance.
Full entry for the marriage may provide a status for her. I do not see an earlier BARNS = a Temperance ? in Probus anyway. Given her age as 70 in 1841, she would not have had children with Bennett.
Hope it helps.
Cheers Kris :)
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Wow! Kris, you handed me a bunch......will have to digest what you have found and get back with you. At least I now believe Temperance is another wife to Bennett. Will lay out all the information and check any documentation I have or not of.
Thank you again,
lilbees
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I know it is early but I cannot get it through my head how to use the link you posted to search out what you have found. Is it just me or is that website difficult?
http://crocat.cornwall.gov.uk/DServe/searchpage.htm
lilbees
PS Any helpful hints?
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Okay, found a family tree at Ancestry that has Mary Warrick. Don't think this is a wife of James. There was another child born to this couple (Catherine). James would have been 80 at the time. With this news I guess it is not a fit at all. Need to have a definite birth date for James rather than abt 1845 so I can send for some type of documentation.
Once again, stuck! ??? Unless someone has other ideas?
Hopefully, with the dates for Bennett and James Jr. I will be able to send for the proper documentation now.
lilbees
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I am sorry lilbees, I am quite lost here. Who is James born 1845? I have not got to 1845. I have not come upon a Mary Warwick in what I think is your line. Are you talking about James = Mary Nankevil? I thought he was born 1731 not 1745. :-\ I gave you the baptism above. I see No James b c 1745. Which James do you think is having a child at 80?
You seem to be getting into a lot of trouble with other peoples trees. Might be best to ignore what other people say and work your own line backwards.............Kris
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Hi Kris,
James b. 1731, mistyped earlier. Sorry.
I do agree about the other James and Catherine marriage.
I am in the process of sending for actual records to see if they will be of more assistance. At this point, without proper documentation, all sound good.
I had located the marriage of James and Mary Warwick but it seems that is not the same as my James, husband of Mary Nankevil.
Good advice Kris about working backwards. Sometimes we can be mislead by jumping around which is quite easy to do.
Thank you so much.
lilbees
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Jo lilbees,
Documentation on these early events will not be likely to add any information. Marriages after 1754 and baptisms and burials after 1813 will have more information included. Prior to that time all there is is one line in the parish register. There is nothing further included. The forms for marriage arrive in 1754. They have witness names and possibly a marital status added. (signatures also if they could write) If there was an occupation it would be in these marriage entries. Baptism entries after 1813 add an occupation for the father and you may get a bit more as to residence. Burials after 1813 may also list something of a residence, and may but not necessary state wife of, son/daughter of.
Early record so nothing further as to age etc but I suspect James was buried Probus 13 Apr 1799. He certainly did not marry Mary Warwick
All the best......Kris
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Kris, many a thank you again.
I appreciate the background on English records. Much different than the Italian records I have been buried in lately. With those 1806 is the limit in most Archives. Only then to search the Parishes. If they want to answer.
lilbees
P.S. I obviously need to read researching English records more closely.
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Will continue to search for more information on my Yeoman family. Should anyone have any advice or information please let me know.
If anyone else is researching this family I can certainly be a resource for later records/information.
Thank you,
lilbees