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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Wigtownshire => Topic started by: 2Harriet on Thursday 12 March 09 22:38 GMT (UK)
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Hi, can anyone help with a photo of this please . I think it was in the main Street. Wigtown Free press 1924 has a business notice saying it had been taken over by Thomas Mc Kellar. The Murrays are relatives and had been blacksmiths for several generations. I have census info but not been able to pinpoint the actual building in New Luce yet.
thanks,
Harriet :D
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I can't tell you if the Blacksmith Shop is visible, but there are pictures of Main Street here
http://www.geograph.org.uk/search.php?i=5619606
The Smithy is shown on an old map, choose sheet 3, Stranraer, then zoom in on New Luce
http://www.nls.uk/maps/os/oneinch_2nd_list.html
There is in fact a Smith Lane in New Luce, but not in quite the same place as shown on the map, so maybe there was more than one in the past, or it moved?
Kirsty
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Hi, Thanks for the info- only thing for it is to go there now I think and see if I can get a photo.
Thanks again.
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I have traced my grand fathers grandfather, Samuel Murray to the blacksmiths in New luce.
I have him living ther in 1851 with wife Minnie or Manney and first son John. I cannot locate them in 1861 but they re appear in 1871 back in the village.
Can anyone help with further information?
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Hi Nanamurray
Welcome to RootsChat :)
These children show for Samuel and wife Minnie (Gown)
1. John MURRAY chr. 18 NOV 1850 New Luce, Wigtown
2. Jane MURRAY b. 18 FEB 1855 New Luce, Wigtown
3. Samuel MURRAY b. 23 NOV 1859 New Luce, Wigtown
4. Mary MURRAYb. 28 MAY 1866 New Luce, Wigtown
A few gaps show there. Maybe down to the way the mother's name of Minnie has been registered (this is from IGI www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/search_igi.asp?batch_number=C118931®ion=2&batch_search=true ).
The 1855 birth if you haven't viewed it on Scotlands People would be a great one for you to view given how much extra info was included for one year only on 1855 cert (the first year of official registration in Scotland(.
Monica
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This looks like the family in 1861, mistranscribed on the index I am looking at:
Samuel Marris 35, Blacksmith Emp 1 Man b. Ireland
Minnie Marris 30 b. New Luce, Wigtownshire
John Marris 11
James Marris 9
Jane Marris 6
Agnes Marris 4
Samuel Marris 1
Catherine Wright 16, servant
Anthony Agnew 20 boarder, apprentice
Address: Village Of New Luce, Wigtownshire
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Hi Nanamurray and MonicaL
Firstly I have Pm'd Nanamurray as my husband is related to Samuel Murray in exactly same way so that was a real surprise- hope we can swap notes.
Secondly Thanks MonicaL for the hint about 1855 Scotland census I looked Jane up and bingo ggranpa was born in County Armagh, Ireland- unfortunately I cannot read what the parish is - it looks to me like maybe Drummond but no parish of that name ?
Great site this !
June
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Hi June
Sometimes the writing is hard to make out isn't.
Two suggestions for you...
Whenever you have download an image from SP where you have problems reading from the image due to poor/faint writing for example, you can contact SP to arrange for them to send you via email an enhanced section. Can make a big difference to being able to read something more clearly. See www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=1210
SP are pretty quick at responding to these types of queries. In the meantime, you could post just the relevant section you are struggling with here on RC on the Deciphering & Recognition Help board and ask for some help trying to figure it out - www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,425.0.html
Monica :)
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Monical and 2Harriot. Thankyou for your help.
I was so excited when I logged on tonight and found your replies.
The 1861 census has filled in a big gap for me.
I am quite new at this and your suggestions as to where to go to find more information will be very useful.
MonicaL I have found that the spelling of the names do change quite a lot. I am beginning to get wise to this now. Thanks for the pointer that Minnie's maiden name was Gown. That has opened a whole new line of enquiry.
2Harriot which member of the murray family are you following?
Samuel junior b1859 is my grandads father. He left Scotland as a young man and moved to Manchester where he married my grandads mother Martha.
I have been struggling along on my own trying to piece together snippets of information. I cannot thank you both enough for your help.
nanamurray.
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Hi MonicaL- I have emailed SP and will see what they say abt the parish Samuel was born in in Armagh- thanks for the link.
Hi Nanamurray my hubands link to Samuel is detailed in the Personal message I sent you on this site ,so have a peruse when you can. I have the death record for Samuel b1859 downloaded from SP and it says as follows... Samuel Murray ; retired Blacksmith; single; died 15 Nov 1949 at Darniemow, Glenwhilly; M; age 89; parents Samuel Murray, Blacksmith, Deceased and Minnie Murray M.S.Gown deceased; died of Senile decay , Fracture of Femur; registered At New Luce. so I dont think that is the same Samuel who went to England when young what do you think?
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Hi All,
I have arrived late on this having only just picked-up the postings on the Murray family in New Luce and wonder what progress has been made on Sam. and Minnie?
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Hi Solway,
I can evidence Samuel b 1826 Drummond, Armagh as a direct ancestor of my husbands , I have never found out his parents though- I'm not much good with Irish research. I have Sam and Minnie as having 5 children john James Jane Samuel and Agnes. [John is the our line]. No further progress really just what you see here. Any pearls of wisdom to cast this way ?
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Try the following:
Obtain Minnie's death cert. from SP (1888) which gives her parents.
Obtain Samuel's death cert. from SP (1883), using McMurray as his surname and which gives his parents.
Use McMurray for 1881 census.
Not sure but the Samuel to which you refer may be the grandson of Sam. and Minnie, i.e. son of John and Helen McDowall, born abt. 1880.
Hope this assists meantime.
Bob.
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got this from family headstone ages ago,
In loving memory of Samuel Murray, beloved husband of Margaret D. Murchie, who died 16th Jan. 1967, aged 77 years. Also William, their beloved son, accidentally killed at Park of Tongland, 18th April 1967, aged 38 years. Also the above Margaret Murchie, who died 8th November 1967, aged 75 years.
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Hi Solway ,
thanks to you I now have the parents of Samuel Mc Murray [b 1826 in Drummond Armagh] from his death record. ie Samuel McMurray [dec]- a Crofter and Mary Mc Kie. No marriage for them on SP . Ideas how to find out about them?
Finding the actual smithy in New Luce....update ...
I have valuation roll entry in 1915 which has John [son of Samuel b1826] and Johns son Samuel [b 1889] as tenant of a house and smithy just 3 buildings after the Kenmuir Hotel if the buildings are in order on valuation roll then it must be close. In the opposite direction from the Kenmuir hotel is the police house and police station [9 entries after it] Does that help anyone with local knowledge pinpoint the actual house and Smithy please? :'(
grateful as always to members of this great site 8)
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Hi 2Harriet,
If you care to send me a PM with your email address, I will see what I can do re. photographs, etc. for you.
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Hi Solway
Thanks very much for the info and wonderful pics you emailed me . I will get back to you when I get time to go through it all and fill in any gaps I can for you in return. I should have shares in Scotlands People! It turns out that my gg grandfather Gordon was the letter carrier in New Luce at the same time my hubby's gg grandfather Samuel Murray was around and they must have known each other living only a few hundred yards apart !!!
I suppose this thread is now completed and I will mark it so when I work out how to.
Best wishes