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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: hmserge on Saturday 14 March 09 22:53 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I've recently been doing my family tree and came across a John Shaw born about 1747 Carr Green, Darton, Yorkshire, who I believe married someone called Hannah. They lived in Darton. One of their children was Martha born 1775.
Today I started my husband's tree again, and came across a John Shaw born about 1740 Darton, Yorkshire who married someone called Ann, they lived in Darton. One of their children was Anne born 1776.
Is it possible that this John Shaw could be the same John Shaw? and if not could they be related in some way?
I'm not sure what route to take next in finding more about both these couples, to clarify whether they were two separate couples. I wonder whether Darton was a small village at that time too.
If anyone could help or advice me what to search next, this would be much appreciated.
Thank you
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I think it could be possible it is the same John Shaw. As I have a few Hannah's that sometimes are recorded as Ann. I would think Darton would have been a small village.. In fact my grandmother was born at Carr Green in 1901.
Anne
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Hi Anne,
Thank you for your reply. :)
I wonder what I could search next to find out if it is the same John Shaw? I know Shaw is a common name, so it might even be possible that they were cousin's or something.
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Hi:
Is there any chance you can have a look at the parish records as that should be able to tell you if there is two John Shaw's. If you live close to a family history center you can order in the parish records for Darton. If you don;t know the closest center go on the site familysearch.org and you can do a look up.
Anne
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Hi Anne and thanks for your reply.
I'm not sure where my nearest family history centre is, but I can try find out.
In the meantime I have searched on the familysearch.org. There is one John Shaw who was christened in Darton on the 25 June 1747, but I cannot see one for 1740. I know that sometimes children were christened at all ages, I wonder if it is the same John Shaw.
I have now found children for John Shaw and Hannah Ellis, but there is no Anne mentioned, although Anne's date of birth is about 1766 and the first child mentioned for John and Hannah is 1770. I wonder if John Shaw remarried (his first wife being Anne and second wife Hannah).
I've been told that Darton was probably a small village at that time.
Confusing ::)
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i have found this......
John Shaw
Son of joseph shaw and Elizabeth formerly Broadhead
Bapt: 25th June 1747 Car Green Darton
Died: 1807 Darton occ:Farmer
Marr: 9th August 1770 Car Green Darton Barnsley
Hannah Ellis
Daughter of Robert and Alice
Bapt: 9th November 1746 Silkstone
Children
Mary 1770
George 1771 - 1774
Sarah 1772 - 1796
George 1774 all Born Darton
Martha 1775
William 1781
Hope this helps :)
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sorry forgot to say - didn't come across another Ann in my travells - only Hannah with the "H's" dropped
As far as i kow when this marriage took place he was a Batchelor - most probably the same person, havent find any evidence myself to say otherwise
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Hi betton39
Thank you for your reply.
You did well to find this information as there is quite alot there. I had no idea he was a farmer so that information is great ;D
Thanks for letting me know that you didn't come across any Ann's.
The only thing that puzzles me now is that John Shaw and 'Ann' had a daughter called Anne born about 1766, and I can't find a record for Anne being a daughter of John Shaw and Hannah Ellis, but yet when Anne married she named her daughter Martha, which was a popular family on the John Shaw and Hannah Ellis line. ::)
Thanks again
Heidi
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Good Morning Heidi
i am related to Sarah
Sarah Married Thomas Mellor
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Morning
That's so nice to know that you're related to the same John Shaw too :)
I will add Sarah and her husband to my tree. Martha married a James Scott.
Do you know anything more for John Shaw?
Heidi
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Hi there, I have all the parish records for Darton and have found these entries. They may be of some use to you.
JOHN SHAW m MARTHA WIKE{widow} MAY 5,1760.Johns occ,linen weaver.
JOHN SHAW m ANN FAUCET, Aug 25,1760. Johns occ,Labourer.
JOHN SHAW b Sept 15,1733,bapt Oct 13,1733, son of Thomas of Carr Green,occ wright.
JOHN SHAW,b Sept 25,1737,bapt Oct 4,1737, son of Joseph of Mapplewell,occ weaver.
JOHN SHAW,b June 24,1747,bapt June 25,1747,son of John.
JOHN SHAW,bapt Nov 25,1764,son of John a Farmer.
ANN SHAW, bapt Dec 29,1766, daughter of John a Farmer.
Should you require any lookups for the Darton area let us know.
Regards,Broady.
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Hello Broady,
Thank you for your reply.
The John Shaw I am looking for was christened in 1747, so from your information it looks like John Shaw the son of John.
I've been told that John Shaw's father was a Joseph Shaw, could this information be wrong?
John Shaw, I believe married a Hannah Ellis and one of their children was Martha born about 1775. Are there any parish records for Martha?
Thank you for taking the time to look.
Heidi
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Heidi
at the end of the day, it is always wise to take the advise given, and to doulble check it - so that you are double sure it's right.
Joseph Shaw married Elizabeth Broadhead 22nd January 1745 in Darton
Joseph bpt: 2nd may 1724 Car Green Son of Thomas and Mary
-Joseph's occ: Farmer
Children
Betty, John, George and Timothy
Martha shaw Do. John and Hannah bpt: 29th October 1775 Darton.
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The Shaw and Mellor connection runs strongly through Darton and funnily enough, Whiston near Rotherham. Later, most of them "Migrated"
i fellow resercher has found this in his records
Ann Shaw - bpt: 8th october 1757 Whiston, St Mary's
she married John Street of Wickersley
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Hi,
I've only just noticed your reply, and thank you for that information.
John Shaw has started to get me confused lol :-\
It seems there were possibly 2 John Shaw's from Darton. The one we believe is the father of Sarah and Martha who was baptised 1747 and died 1807, this may be the wrong death date for him, as the John who was buried on the 3 November 1807 was recorded as being age 74, that puts his birth date at 1733 and not 1747. There is a John Shaw born 1733 who is the son of a Thomas Shaw.
Are you certain about the dates for John Shaw's birth and death?
Confusing I know.
Heidi :)
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i will double check my records - i have been in contact with two fellow researchers who have alot more experience in this family - i believe one of the got it from a monumental inscription
i'll get back to you ASAP
Betton
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ok try this one for size - ignore everything i have told you and look at this
just for point of argument - it might help you answer this question
John Shaw
Born c.1740Darton
Married ANN FRANCIS 25th august 1760 Darton
Children:
1. Ann Shaw bpt: 29th Dec 1766 Darton
Married 1. Thomas Senior (1756-1800) 6th january 1785 Darton
Married 2. Joshua charlesworth 26th December 1803 - Darton
Children
Thomas Senior 23/10/1785
Martha Senior 30/12/1789
Richard Senior 6/07/1789 Died: 1790
John Senior 13/02/1791
George Senior 27/11/1792
Joseph Senior 20/04/1794 - married Hannah Walker 2/03/1815
Mary Senior 28/03/1796
Timothy Senior 26/05/ 1799 Died: 1816
Sarah Senior 1800
* all baptised/Married / Buried Darton
2 Martha Shaw
Baptised 29th October Darton
They came from another researcher
Hope this helps
;D
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Oh Wow! I just saw the name of Ann Senior on here, I have been searching for her for ages, I have just found that she was born Ann Shaw! I already had info that my Ann was married to Joshua Charlesworth in 1803, 26th December. Joshua Charlesworth died soon afterwards aparently. Ann's baby named William Charlesworth was born 1804 is my 2x great grandfather, and joshua might be my 3 x great grandfather. The only fly in the oinment is that Ann always said she was born in Hemsworth, which appears to be about 9 miles away.
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Hello paperwork,
I’d completely forgot about this post and it’s so nice to be brought back to it, so thank you :)
betton39 I do apologise for not replying to your post , I never even knew it was there, but it’s so lovely to be brought back to this and I thank you for the information that you have given me and other fellow researchers :)
Time to start my research again I think
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I was really excited to find all the info, but have just about decided this Ann isn't my Ann Charlesworth / Haigh, this Ann Shaw / Senior / Charlesworth had her baby William baptised on 4th March 1804, I think mine delivered her baby William 20 July 1804 and her William was baptised that August. My Ann does have links with Darton, she married Samuel Haigh there in 1811. I would love Ann Shaw to have been my Ann Haigh, as I would have her parents, but I believe she is at least 10 years too old for the census entries about her when she was called Ann Haigh, and she would have lived to be 95 which I think is unlikely. :-)
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There seems to be a few with the same name and similar age from the same area.
I haven’t had chance to check these names yet (as I need to jog my memory) but hopefully will be able to look tonight.
It’s a shame it’s not your Ann Haigh, but you’re probably right.
Hope you do find some information on her.
:)