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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: HugoFirst on Monday 16 March 09 16:39 GMT (UK)
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I would be grateful for any help tracing my ancestors from Wexford, Ireland.
Robert Shaw was born in Wexford in 1854, qualified as a doctor in Belfast and emigrated to england in about 1875. I can trace him from when he arrives in England but have little information re Ireland. I think he may have had a brother called Richard and sisters Alicia and Emily who may have run a school in Wexford. Their parents were possibly Richard and Alicia Shaw, and they may have owned a hardware or furniture store in Wexford town (not the modern Shaws in that town)
Any hints or suggestions would be very welcome.
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from Slaters Commercial Directory of 1870 - Wexford Town traders section :
Richard Shaw, North Main st - Cabinetmakers
William Shaw, Main st - Boot & Shoe Makers/Leather Sellers
there's no sign of Richard in the previous edition - 1846
Shane
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(by kind permission of Noel Farrell)
Enniscorthy 1901;
Slaney st; (23)
Shaw Hugh, Hugh, Patrick, Margaret. (baker)
1911;
Slaney st ; (22)
Shaw Patrick & Margaret; Hugh, Thomas, (town clerk)
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Shaw's in Wexford town was previously Hadden's but before that I am almost certain that it was Shaws . I think there is or was a connection between both families.
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In the late 1800s, George HADDEN and William HADDEN were partners in what is known as Shaw's in Wexford. The Hadden brothers were also in the drapery business.
See Dublin, Cork, and South of Ireland: a Literary, Commercial, and Social Review (1892 - Stratten & Stratten, London), viewable free on Google Books.
page 313:
"R. H. SHAW & CO., General House Furnishers and Ironmongers, Main Street, Wexford. -- The business now carried on by this leading firm was founded forty years ago by the father of the present principal, Mr. R. H. Shaw, and is of large dimensions. Five years ago the Messrs. Hadden, the well-known local drapers, became partners with Mr. Shaw, the firm trading as above."
Also (on Haddens), see pages 310 and 314.
I'm very interested in learning more about HADDENS in Co. Wexford, trying to confirm a family story that the late Dr. George HADDEN, founder of the Wexford Historical Society (who died 1973), was related to the HADDENS of County Tyrone. If RootsChat readers know anything further about HADDENS in Wexford, I'd appreciate hearing from you.
Annie Crenshaw
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From 'Houses of Wexford'.
Belvedere House, Belveders rd, Wexford.
Townland; Townparks.
Addison Barnes Perrot Hadden (of Hadden's store in Wexford town) appears to have been the next owner in 1922. The Haddens were a remarkable family. In the early twentieth century, they had a seperate furniture-making premises along the west side of the house, and during the shortages of the second world war, sold scrapes and offcuts for firewood. Both A.B.Hadden and his brother, George, were members of the Board the nearby Tate School, and George, besides being a medical doctor, was, like his wife, a Methodist missionary in China and Nigeria. He was also a very keen historian, founder of in 1944 of the Wexford Historical Society. According to George Jenkins, Dr. Hadden took Geography lessons in the Tate School, attired in his oriental dressing gown and slippers.
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Thank you so much for that interesting and colorful information! If you have any suggestions for finding more on Dr. George Hadden and his descendants and ancestors, please let me know.
The 1877 "Chronicles of County Wexford" shows that Wexford mayors included:
1858 - John Evans Hadden
1871 - John H. Hadden
Were John Evans Hadden and John H. Hadden related to George Hadden?
Griffith's Valuation shows Haddens in Wexford:
John E. Hadden - Town of Wexford, St. Selskars parish
Ellen Hadden - Town of Wexford, St. Selskars parish
George Hadden - Town of Wexford, St. Selskars parish
George Hadden (c. 1856-1925), appears to have been the father of Dr. George W. Hadden of Wexford (1882-1973). Was George born c. 1856 the son of John Evans Hadden, or of George Hadden of Griffith's Valuation?
The 1911 census of Wexford (city) shows:
George Hadden - 55 - Male - Head of Family - Methodist - born Wexford - Alderman Jp fr Co wexford, Draper - Read & write - Married 29 yrs.
Hannah Mary Hadden - 54 - Female - Wife - Methodist - born Cork - Read & write - Married 29 yrs - mother of 8 children - 5 living
Frances Jane Hadden - 22 - Female - Daughter - Methodist - born Wexford - Read & write -Single
Marie Annette Hadden - 19 - Female - Daughter - Methodist - Wexford - Undergraduate T C D - Read & write- Single
Margaret Carty - 32 - Female - Servant - Roman Catholic - Wexford - Cook, Domestic Servant - Cannot read/write - Single
Mary Anne Walshe - 24 - Female- Servant - Roman Catholic - Wexford - Housemaid, Domestic Servant - Read & write - Single
Several biographical writings indicate that the Haddens of Wexford were related to Dr. David Hadden, the noted famine doctor of Skibbereen who died in 1878. Dr. David Hadden was born in 1817, the son of Wesleyan minister Rev. John Hadden and an Evans wife.
I'd appreciate learning anything further on the Hadden families of Wexford and their ancestors, and am glad to share anything that I've gathered on them so far.
Annie
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Re. the Hadden families of Wexford,have some more information to add to the confusion.
Have just started researching a Dr.William E. Hadden of Wimborne,Dorset,whose grandfather came from Wexford .
The grandfather was Henry Richards(sic)Hadden,born Wexford,1837.was a medical officer for the Clonakilty district in 1862,living in 15, Kenilworth Road,Rathmines,Dublin,during the 1911 census,religion stated as "brethren".2 visitors were listed,prob.relatives-a David Hadden (surgeon,born c.1847) and a Charlotte Elizabeth Hadden,both Church of Ireland.
HRH had 2 children-Margaret Dorman Hadden,(born 1870)and Henry John Hadden.(1862-1929)HJH followed in his medical footsteps-graduated from Trinity College Dublin,and became a career Naval Surgeon.
Henry John in turn had 4 children with Margaret Jane Edward:
Kathleen Annie,1898-1990
Maureen Dorman,1903-?
Henry Richards,1910-1986
William E1912-c.2008all born in Mimborne,Dorset.Hope this helps,Andy.t
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Very interesting! I'll add that to my research data, and it does look as if the Wexford Haddens tended to be a medical and chemist profession family, doesn't it? If you find anything else that seems to connect to Dr. George Hadden's family, do let me know.
Thanks so much,
Annie
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some details of Henry R. Hadden from a medical directory of 1898 :
Hy. Richards Hadden, 68 Grosvenor rd Rathmines, Co. Dublin. M.D. St. And. 1859; F.R.C.S.I. (exam.) 1863, L. and L.M. 1859; (Dub.) Contrib. "On Compound Comminuted Fracture of Astragalus, with Dislocation of its Head,'' Dub. Med. Press, 1865; "The Use of Ergot of Rye in Simulated Brain Softening," Med.Press Circ. 1867; "Unusual Case of Removal of Superior Maxilla" Ibid. 1869
a couple of others Hadden listings that might be of interest :
David Hadden, Infirm. House Wexford
Hy. Arthur Giles Hadden , Main Street Wexford
Herbert Howard Hadden, Medical Hall Wexford
John Evans Hadden, 26 Castlewood Ave (Rathmines)
let me know if you want me to put together details for
any of these.
Shane
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From 'The Wexford War Dead'
Haden H. A. (Rank; Captain)
(Article in Wexford newspaper)
The news of the death of Capt, H.A. Hadden R.A.M.C, which took place at the county infirmary on Thursday, will occasion deep sorrow amongest his many friends in town and country.
He was a son of the late John Hadden, who filled the mayoral chair of his native town with dignity and credit to the community.
In sporting and social circles there was no more popular figure than the late Doctor 'Jer' as he was more familary known
In his earlier days Captain Hadden was a doctor in the Mercantile Marine, and for some years filled the position of Commodore Surgeon to the Allen Line.
In December 1915, he, in response to the appeal for doctors for service at the front, volunteered and was gazetted to the Royal Army Medical Corps.
His demise at the age of 49 is deeply regretted. The funeral will take place on Saturday, when a Memorial Service will be held in the Methodist Church (Rowe st) and internment in Crosstown Cemetery.
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Just checked the ww1 medal rolls for H.A. Hadden-couldnt find an entry,so presumably he didnt get to the front line in ww1.However,did find a Marie Annette Hadden who served as a civil medical practitioner with the General Hospital,attached Royal Army Medical Corps.almost certainlty the same MAH who is listed in the 1911 census at 19,Hill Street,Wexford as a TCD undergraduate !!Andy.
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HADDEN, H A. Rank. Captain. From an article in a Wexford newspaper;. The news of the death of Capt, H. A. Hadden, R. A. M. C, which took place at the County Infirmary, Wexford, on Thursday, will occasion deep sorrow amongst his many friends in town and country. A native of Wexford, he was a member of a family which has been long and prominently identified with public and professional life. He was the son of the late John Hadden Hadden( sic ), who filled the mayoral chair of his native town with dignity and credit to the community.
In sporting and social circles there was no more popular figure than the late Doctor ‘Jer’, as he was more familiarly known, and his amiable disposition and genial manner won him friend wherever he went. In his earlier days Captain Hadden was a doctor in the Mercantile Marine, and for some years filled the position of Commodore Surgeon to the Allan Line. He was a popular official on various local boards, being compounder of medicines to the different dispensaries in Wexford town and anaesthetist to the County Infirmary for a long period. In December, 1915, he, in response to the appeal for doctors for service at the front, volunteered and was gazetted to the Royal Army Medical Corps. For some time he was medical officer to the military in Dublin, and subsequently went to France, being given the rank of Captain, and was attached to an Indian Cavalry Division.
The rigours of active service undermined his constitution, and in the fierce fighting at the Somme, when heavy demands were made on his services, he contracted pleurisy. After a brief leave, though still suffering from the effects of the malary( sic ), he undertook medical duties at Salisbury Plain, and complications setting in soon after, he was obliged to retire from the service. The military authorities showed their appreciation of his sterling worth and devotion to duty by conferring on him the title of captain which he carried with him into civilian life. His retirment, however, came too late, for after a brief interval his health completely broke down and he succumbed at the County Infirmary as stated. By his death Wexford is all the poorer, for a genial and kindly gentleman has passed way.
His demise at the age of 49 is deeply regretted, and much sympathy is felt with his relatives. The funeral will take place on Saturday, when a Memorial Service will be held in the Methodist Church ( Rowe Street ) at 2. 30pm, after which internment will take place in Crosstown Cemetery. He is not listed in any of the war dead databases.
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a40/clondaleek/hadden.jpg
Regards.
Tom.
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Wonderful obituary! Thanks so much for sharing this and other records. Data on the Wexford Haddens is all very welcome. And, if anyone finds bits of information on Haddens (of any spelling) in County Tyrone and County Monaghan, those people are likely to be in my family tree.
Annie
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Thanks to everyone who has added information re the Shaws and the Haddens in Wexford.
Annie - I have a copy of a letter written to me from Wexford in 1970 by George Hadden. He was very old at the time, but he remembers a Richard Shaw and his sisters, who used to sit near him in the local methodist chapel around 1900. He refers to them as his "cousins" and confirms that Richard was in the furniture business. As a newcomer and infrequent user of the forum, I do not know how to send you a copy of the letter, but if you can give me some guidance on how to contact you I will be happy to do so.
Best regards
Richard Atkinson
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The Irish census for 1901 gives the following for Richard Shaw in Wexford. The 1911 census brings up the family in Stonybatter, Wexford Rural.
I was aware that Dr Robert Joseph Shaw was Methodist and I am curious as to why that was. Is there any earlier history of the family in England and was their religious denomination exported to Ireland?
Richard
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Wexford_Urban/Main_Street_North/1806277/
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There were lots of Methodists in Ireland-
http://www.irishmethodist.org/about/genealogy.php
https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Ireland_Methodist_Church_Records
http://www.oikoumene.org/member-churches/regions/europe/ireland/methodist-church-in-ireland.html
If you goodle "Methodists in Wiklow" there are lots of results.
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Richard,
The Hadden letter sounds interesting! As Ms. Aghadowey says, you can write me a "personal message" (PM) and we can exchange email addresses and then you could send me a copy of the letter. If you haven't posted on this board enough, just reply to me twice and that makes "3" posts, so you can then send a personal message. You're welcome to read my posts and queries about Haddens on GenForum and RootsWeb sites -- they're one of my favorite ancestors to research.
Annie Hadden Crenshaw
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Thanks to all contributors, who have given me valuable information and leads. I did not know the Irish census records were online. Indeed, I thought most had been destroyed. The 1901 census records are the first direct confirmation I have that Shaws were still living in Wexford in 1901. My mother was a Shaw, descended from a Richard Shaw of Wexford - interesting that I was christened Richard Henry.
I will post more on the origins of the Shaws in Ireland, and also try and forward the George Hadden letter.
Thanhs again.
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Shaws in Ireland
Some sources assert that all Shaws in Ireland are descended from a Captain William Shaw, who served in Cromwell's army in 1649, in Colonel Ponsonby's regiment. Ponsonby was knighted, and both were granted lands confiscated from Catholics, as a reward for their loyalty.
This Captain William Shaw certainly existed, although other Shaws are mentioned as serving in Cromwell's army. It is possible that William Shaw came from the Cheshire area and that he was related to Ponsonby by marriage.
Other sources claim that Irish Shaws descend from a Captain or Colonel Shaw who served in General Ponsonby's Horse in the Army of William III. One version of this story is that Shaw carried the wounded Ponsonby off the field at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690. Both Shaw and Ponsonby received land in Kilkenny and Tipperary for their efforts. But documents from the period list (for example) a Patrick Shaw, three William Shaws, and James Shaw as among the founders of the Antrim Association, founded to raise and organize protestant defences during the siege of Derry in 1689.
I believe that several Shaws, possibly distantly related, came to Ireland with Cromwell and settled there, and poosibly that others came with William of Orange. However, all were protestants. Wexford history refers to Shaws as protestants planning to emigrate in the early 1800's and others as being imprisoned and killed in the Catholic uprising of the same period.
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As part of a clean-up operation currently being carried out on Wexford's Selskar Abbey, I have been doing an inventory of the headstones there and cross-referencing it with Brian Cantwell's "Memorials Of the Dead".
Two of the ten or so inscriptions I have found there omitted by Cantwell, refer to Hadden; See below for full transcription:
Sacred
TO THE MEMORY OF
GEORGE HADDEN
WHO DIED OCTOBER 11TH 1858
AGED 33 YEARS.
ALSO HIS SONS
JOHN E. HADDEN
WHO DIED JUNE 6TH 1849.
AND
GEORGE HADDEN
WHO DIED DECEMBER 6TH 1852.
ALSO
FRANCES JANE,
WIDOW OF THE ABOVE
GEORGE HADDEN
WHO DIED JULY 10TH 1911
IN HER 90TH YEAR.
And
Beneath this Stone
are interred the Remains of
John John Evans and Ellen Hadden
children of Mr John E. Hadden
who all died under the age of
three months
also the aforesaid
JOHN EVANS HADDEN aged 52 years
died December 5th 1862
Also
DAVID BOXWELL HADDEN
grandson of the aforesaid JOHN EVANS HADDEN
and 4th son of JOHN HADDEN HADDEN
died April 1873 aged 3 months &4 days
Also
JOHN HADDEN HADDEN
4th son of the aforesaid JOHN EVANS HADDEN
died Decr 2nd 1878 aged 36 years.
There is also a Shaw Headstone, but this is NOT one of those omitted by Cantwell. It reads:
In memory
of
Eliza Rebecca the beloved wife of
Richard Shaw of Wexford
who exchanged mortality for eternal life
on the 28th July 1867
aged 52 years
She was an affectionate wife, a devoted
mother, a sincere friend and
an humble Christian
In the same tomb repose the
dust of her six children who
mostly died in infancy
also
the above named Richard Shaw
whose happy spirit entered an house
not made with hands eternal in the heavens
on the 10th February 1878
aged 61 years
(7 lines of virtues follow)
also Alicia Shaw widow of the above named
Richard Shaw who died Dec 21s 1881 aged 54 years.
I've photographed most of the headstones also if anybody is interested.
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Thank you so much for sharing those tombstone inscriptions. It's wonderful to see the names, dates and relationships so clearly stated. I'd very much like to have photos of the HADDEN markers and will send you my email address separately.
Regards,
Annie
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Thanks for the reply re Richard Shaw. I was not aware of Cantwell's book, but am trying to locate a copy. I also did not know that Richard Shaw was married twice, so that is helpful. I would be very grateful for a photograph of the headstone if you can make that available.
Best regards
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Cantwell's Memorials of the Dead is not available for sale in hard copy. It is held for reference at Wexford County Library .However I believe that there is a CD of his work available, but from where I am not aware. I will try to find out and if I do I will post it here .
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Eneclann published this CD, and it's available for sale on their website : http://www.eneclann.ie/acatalog/Gravestone_inscriptions.html
Shane
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Thanks Shane, saves me the bother
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Thanks for the information re Cantwell.
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The index is searchable for free on http://www.iancantwell.com/
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Hi, I have only started researching the Hadden's in the past few months, but am doing fairly well finding info. I would be gggranddaughter of John Evans Hadden. I live in Wexford county. I would love to have a photo of the Hadden grave.
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Mr R.H Shaw (almost certainly Richard Henry Shaw of North Main St) was the Jury foreman at a 1909 inquest into a child's death in Bride Street.
A Dr Hadden Jnr is also mentioned in the report. (This is possibly David Hadden, a doctor living in Hill St along with his doctor father per the 1901 census. David Hadden is noted as a physician/surgeon in the 1911 census)
Source: Free Press 20/03/1909
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Many thanks for the piece on the inquest, very much appreciated. If you find anything else on the Haddens, i would be very grateful.
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Hello,
I am a professional historian and genealogist living in Ottawa, Canada. I am related to you through the Evans family of West Cork. I have done very extensive research on the descendants of Rev. John Hadden and Ellen Evans Hadden (from whom you are descended). I would be happy to share my research. Please contact me directly at *.
Peter
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Hi, this is great news. After this message i can use P.M. and shall send you my email address. Rev John and Eleanor Hadden are my ggg grandparents. Their first born John Evans was my gg grandfather. Then Henry Richards was my g grandfather. Look forward to hearing from you. H
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Thanks for that bit of information, this is still very new to me. So any help is very much appreciated. Thank you. H
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The Hadden family tombstone in Crosstown cemetery Wexford Town - inscriptions on 3 sides.
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side 3
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some details of Henry R. Hadden from a medical directory of 1898 :
Hy. Richards Hadden, 68 Grosvenor rd Rathmines, Co. Dublin. M.D. St. And. 1859; F.R.C.S.I. (exam.) 1863, L. and L.M. 1859; (Dub.) Contrib. "On Compound Comminuted Fracture of Astragalus, with Dislocation of its Head,'' Dub. Med. Press, 1865; "The Use of Ergot of Rye in Simulated Brain Softening," Med.Press Circ. 1867; "Unusual Case of Removal of Superior Maxilla" Ibid. 1869
a couple of others Hadden listings that might be of interest :
David Hadden, Infirm. House Wexford
Hy. Arthur Giles Hadden , Main Street Wexford
Herbert Howard Hadden, Medical Hall Wexford
John Evans Hadden, 26 Castlewood Ave (Rathmines)
The Hadden memorial stone below was barely visible having been overgrown with earth/grass. Having exposed it I think it’s inscribed as follows:
In loving memory of three brothers:
Herbert Howard Hadden - Died Nov 1913 aged 43 years
Henry Arthur Giles Hadden – Died 30th August 1917 aged 50 years
John Evans Hadden – Died 10th Dec 1919 aged 55 years
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I would love photos of these headstones if possible please.
As part of a clean-up operation currently being carried out on Wexford's Selskar Abbey, I have been doing an inventory of the headstones there and cross-referencing it with Brian Cantwell's "Memorials Of the Dead".
Two of the ten or so inscriptions I have found there omitted by Cantwell, refer to Hadden; See below for full transcription:
Sacred
TO THE MEMORY OF
GEORGE HADDEN
WHO DIED OCTOBER 11TH 1858
AGED 33 YEARS.
ALSO HIS SONS
JOHN E. HADDEN
WHO DIED JUNE 6TH 1849.
AND
GEORGE HADDEN
WHO DIED DECEMBER 6TH 1852.
ALSO
FRANCES JANE,
WIDOW OF THE ABOVE
GEORGE HADDEN
WHO DIED JULY 10TH 1911
IN HER 90TH YEAR.
And
Beneath this Stone
are interred the Remains of
John John Evans and Ellen Hadden
children of Mr John E. Hadden
who all died under the age of
three months
also the aforesaid
JOHN EVANS HADDEN aged 52 years
died December 5th 1862
Also
DAVID BOXWELL HADDEN
grandson of the aforesaid JOHN EVANS HADDEN
and 4th son of JOHN HADDEN HADDEN
died April 1873 aged 3 months &4 days
Also
JOHN HADDEN HADDEN
4th son of the aforesaid JOHN EVANS HADDEN
died Decr 2nd 1878 aged 36 years.
There is also a Shaw Headstone, but this is NOT one of those omitted by Cantwell. It reads:
In memory
of
Eliza Rebecca the beloved wife of
Richard Shaw of Wexford
who exchanged mortality for eternal life
on the 28th July 1867
aged 52 years
She was an affectionate wife, a devoted
mother, a sincere friend and
an humble Christian
In the same tomb repose the
dust of her six children who
mostly died in infancy
also
the above named Richard Shaw
whose happy spirit entered an house
not made with hands eternal in the heavens
on the 10th February 1878
aged 61 years
(7 lines of virtues follow)
also Alicia Shaw widow of the above named
Richard Shaw who died Dec 21s 1881 aged 54 years.
I've photographed most of the headstones also if anybody is interested.
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HugoFirst, I realise this is an old discussion, but I would be interested in contacting you as I believe we are cousins. I have considerable interest in Richard and Robert Shaw in Wexford. I do not have enough posts yet to private message you, so maybe if you read this you might message me.
Avril
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I would appreciate, if anybody has them, details of the origins of Richard Shaw 1817? ( husband of Elizabeth Rebeca Banks) of Wexford. If I can find his parents it will allow me to complete the list of all ggggparents
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Hello. Richard Henry Shaw was born in 1814. He was my GGgrandfather. That makes us cousins. I have been unable to trace his parents, although I have some ideas on the line back from there. Happy to share what I have and interested to know your line of descent. My mother was a Shaw.
Best wishes
Richard Henry (family given names on both sides!)
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Anne, Dr. George Hadden, Wexford, was my granduncle. Are you still looking for info. on him?
Yvonne
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Annie, I may be able send you some Hadden information.
Yvonne