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Title: Completed Thanks! Help with reading birth reg record
Post by: Daisy Loo on Monday 16 March 09 23:40 GMT (UK)

Hi everyone...

Made a possible great discovery today...hoping someone might help me confirm this...
These are two entries below, one of of a George Barnett and one of a James Barnett

In Anc***ry, the record for George is illegible, but the record for James gives District as Edmonton, Vol: 3 Pg 157

On the 1851 census,  HO107; Piece: 1702; Folio: 462; Page: 1, I have George & James as 7 years old, and listed as nephews., so I'm trying to confirm that they were twins.  Can anyone confirm the entry for George, and if not, how do I go about ordering his birth cert?

Thanks :)

Title: Re: Help with reading birth reg record
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 16 March 09 23:44 GMT (UK)

Hi

The GRO birth entry looks like Cuckfield to me which was in Sussex

The 1851 entry shows James & George b Tottenham

Title: Re: Help with reading birth reg record
Post by: Daisy Loo on Monday 16 March 09 23:46 GMT (UK)

Thanks Carol, but if you look between the two, there is an entry that has been added...just above the Cuckfield entry, and in quite faint writing?

Title: Re: Help with reading birth reg record
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 16 March 09 23:52 GMT (UK)

Off to get my specs checked tomorrow - just about see it and it starts Ed so looks promising

 

Title: Re: Help with reading birth reg record
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 16 March 09 23:55 GMT (UK)

I can't open the image for George - only for James.  Which quarter of which year is the birth and I'll magnify it on screen from the GRO index

Title: Re: Help with reading birth reg record
Post by: Daisy Loo on Monday 16 March 09 23:59 GMT (UK)

 ;D  I had to enlarge it, and peer at it...I was so excited...have been on this family trail for a while...the mother and father weren't living together either...have found the father working (I presume live -in) as a coachman...have no idea where the mother is.

Funny thing is, James was born December 1843 (and therefore possibly JamesGeorge even!), and the parents got married in 1844...:)

I had thought the reference as well could be lll (ie, Vol 3) and the entry no. 161 ?  


Your post just came in...it JAN/FEB/MAR of 1844, and it's image no. 63 of 404 (hope that makes sense)

Title: Re: Help with reading birth reg record
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 17 March 09 00:13 GMT (UK)

Hi

Definitely Edmonton 111 161 but James was p 157.  If they were twins - I would have expected them to share the same page number

Title: Re: Help with reading birth reg record
Post by: Daisy Loo on Tuesday 17 March 09 00:17 GMT (UK)

yes, I would have too, but that he was obviously added in...so perhaps some error occurred or something.

Any ideas how I could order the birth cert of George?  Would I tek the risk and put those ref no.s?

I have James' cert, and nothing on it suggests he was a twin...BUT i have these two boys on the 1851 census...

Title: Re: Help with reading birth reg record
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 17 March 09 00:32 GMT (UK)

The cert you have for James - is it the Page 157 one?

If so - you could apply for the one for George but put a condition on it that you only want it if parents were >>>>>>>> and date of birth was (same as James)

If it's the wrong parents - the GRO will only charge a £3 search fee

Title: Re: Help with reading birth reg record
Post by: PrueM on Tuesday 17 March 09 00:36 GMT (UK)

Bit late to the party, but I've enhanced it and can confirm that George was registered Edmonton, Vol III, p 161  :)

Title: Re: Help with reading birth reg record
Post by: Daisy Loo on Tuesday 17 March 09 00:41 GMT (UK)

Hi Prue...thanks :)

& thanks Carole...

Yes, the cert I have already for James is the Vol 3 pg 157 one...

So when I order the cert...what ref's would I use for Geogre, the ones that we have confirmed?  (yes, of course?!) but just want to make sure...

And yes, good idea to put conditions on...

This family are very strange...I have been looking for George after 1851, and can't find him, and there was a younger brother too, Henry and I can't find him...  doesn't help having a common name like Barnett, but should be happy it isn't Smith!

Title: Re: Help with reading birth reg record
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 17 March 09 00:49 GMT (UK)

I would use the 111 - 161 ref but show somewhere on the application that it is an unclear inserted entry.  Otherwise - they may reject it saying no trace

Title: Re: Help with reading birth reg record
Post by: Daisy Loo on Tuesday 17 March 09 00:52 GMT (UK)

Perfect...cheers Carole....

Thanks for all the help,

I'll wrap this one up so :)