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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: betton39 on Tuesday 24 March 09 17:13 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help me with my ancestors Thomas Rogers and Jane Jones
i am so fed up with jones's they are possibly my Sixth jones Family in my tree - everytime i find a new Line it's a Jones! (and i'm on my second Rogers Too!!)
Thomas Roger was born in c.1838 Brymbo to a Thomas and Mary Frances - that much i do know (but no maiden name - fingers crossed for somthing not starting in "J"!!!)
Jane Jones
Was Born c. 1839 in Brymbo - that is about it for her!
what i do know
1. North wales BMD - Rogers and Jones Marriage 1868 Wrexham
2. Their first daughter Mary Frances was born Brymbo, 1870
other children - William Metz ??? (1873) Julia (1874 and Thomas (1876)
3. i found thomas and jane in 1871 and 81 - in Long Row, Brymbo
thats about it
Can anyone out there help me with Rogers and jones - i have been told they are both pretty common surnames
thanks
Betton
:)
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Hi Betton. Had a good look at the records and found that the name of the daughter was Frances Mary Rogers and her birth was possibly registered in 1869 and the records should be in Wrexham. I found Thomas junior in the '51 census living with his parents in Brymbo, possibly in the area of the Green (Shoemakers Row) He had 1 brother and 1 sister. Hope some of this helps.
Mike
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Hi mike - i have found the Birth Certificate of Frances Mary - her parents given as Thomas Rogers and Jane Formerly jones
Thomas and Jane were married in Brynyffynon Wesleyan Chapel, Wrexham (1868) - their parents Given as Thomas Rogers (Deceased Collier) and James Jones (Deceased Collier) - witnesses were William Rodgers, Mary Evans.
i havent found out anything about them before this time.. no census... nothing
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Hi Betton :)
The only one that is close is this one but both Thomas' are recorded as engineers rather than miners :)
1851 Minera HO107/ 2503, f.743, pg.20
Near Machine House (next address is Coedpoeth Machine House)
Thomas Rogers H mar 37 engineer b.Gresford
Mary " W mar 36 b.Shropshire
Edward 15 scholar
Thomas 12 engineer
William 10 scholar
John (3) scholar
Jonathan 4 scholar
Margaret 1
Children all born Minera.
Disregard this :( Thomas b.1839 is still with his mother and family in 1871. Sorry :(
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Hi
Details from 1851 as given by Mike, which I overlooked ::) :o :-[
HO107/2502, f.298, pg.55
Thos Rogers H mar 48 coal miner
Frances W mar 49
Sarah 19
Thos 12
Wm 10 all born Brymbo.
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Found a photo of Bryn y Ffynnon chapel in Wrexham which does not exist any more. It has been replaced by a shopping center with a chapel in the center. I find it strange that the marriage took place there as there were many more Methodist Chapels in the area available. My wife and I were married in Brake Chapel, Moss which is a lot closer than to where the marriage of Thomas and Jane took place.
Mike
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Bethel was the Welsh Wesleyan Chapel in Brymbo whilst Brake was an English one, so this may have been the reason :)
http://owensaw.homestead.com/Bethel.html Interestingly a Thomas Rogers is mentioned as being one of the early Bethel chapel leaders.
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That photo is excellent. thank you!
i wonder if the reason he was married at this chapel could have been his possibly grand- father Thomas Rogers?? (Because the founding of this chapel was 1800)
i know my thomas (Who married Jane) was born in Brymbo c.1838 - and his parents were Thomas and Mary Frances Rogers
i have found them in 1871 - in Long Row Brymbo, Thomas's mother is living with them aged, 71 and a widow - but for this date i don't know anything about her - according to the census - and we ALL know how accurate they are!
she was born 1800 in Brymbo.
Rather bizarre - william their son had the middle name of what looks like "Metz" ??? never heard of that one before - have any of you ??(how odd! - sounds slightly hebrew.) their other son is Thomas Jas. ( i'm not sure what that is abbreviated from - james??)
was that not a popular capel for marriages - it looks rather grand :)
thanks for your help - i am really enjoing talking to you all.
Betton
:)
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I may have found Frances in 1861 but the census has her down as Fany!!.
Frances? Rogers a widow, 59, born Brymbo
Thomas Rogers, 23.
William Rogers, 20.
As a matter of interest, the next entry is William H Darby, Iron, Coal and Lime Master employing about 1100 people. Very well known in this area but the steelworks no longer exists.
Unfortunately there are too many Thomas Rogers deaths in the area to decide which was which
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Mary frances wife of "the first Thomas" ;D
i do believe was born in 1801 in the census that i have found her...
wonder if william, the little brother was the only other rogers boy.
i suppose only knowing that he was born in 1840/1 isn't enough to find him in - i presume brymbo..
i presume he would have been baptised at st mary's......
food for thought thanks mike
betton
:D
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i know my thomas (Who married Jane) was born in Brymbo c.1838 - and his parents were Thomas and Mary Frances Rogers
i have found them in 1871 - in Long Row Brymbo, Thomas's mother is living with them aged, 71 and a widow - but for this date i don't know anything about her - according to the census - and we ALL know how accurate they are!
she was born 1800 in Brymbo.
Rather bizarre - william their son had the middle name of what looks like "Metz" ??? never heard of that one before - have any of you ??(how odd! - sounds slightly hebrew.) their other son is Thomas Jas. ( i'm not sure what that is abbreviated from - james??)
It looks like his birth was registered as ROGERS, WILLIAM METZ; Mother's maiden name: JONES
GRO Reference: 1873 Jan-Mar Quarter in WREXHAM, Volume 11B, Page 334
Metz is a city in northeast France located at the confluence of the Moselle and the Seille rivers. It's far-fetched, but maybe his parents travelled there, and named him after the place where he was conceived, like the David and Victoria Beckham did with at least one of their children. ;)
A more probable theory could be that it was related to the Siege of Metz, which lasted from 19 August – 27 October 1870 during the Franco-Prussian War and ended in a decisive Prussian victory when the French surrendered. This may have influenced his parents choice of names. The timing's right; it might have been relatively fresh in their minds when they were expecting him.
FindMyPast shows no records of anyone being christened "Metz" before 1870, but there were 10 given that first or middle name across Wales and England between 1870 and 1899 (7 in 1870-71), with only 4 in the 20th century.
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Rather bizarre - william their son had the middle name of what looks like "Metz" ??? never heard of that one before - have any of you ??(how odd! - sounds slightly hebrew.)
FYI: In the 1939 Register, it looks like William, his wife Elizabeth, son William A, and daughter Mary G ROGERS, were living at 11 Argoed, in Brymbo.
Their respective birthdays were recorded as 6 Mar 1873, 12 Oct 1870, 3-Aug-16 and 5-Mar-21.
William Metz ROGERS was buried in Brymbo on 23 Mar 1943. His burial record said he was 70, and lived at 11 Argoed.
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i know my thomas (Who married Jane) was born in Brymbo c.1838 - and his parents were Thomas and Mary Frances Rogers
i have found them in 1871 - in Long Row Brymbo, Thomas's mother is living with them aged, 71 and a widow - but for this date i don't know anything about her - according to the census - and we ALL know how accurate they are!
she was born 1800 in Brymbo.
Rather bizarre - william their son had the middle name of what looks like "Metz" ??? never heard of that one before - have any of you ??(how odd! - sounds slightly hebrew.) their other son is Thomas Jas. ( i'm not sure what that is abbreviated from - james??)
A William ROGERS aged 74 was buried in Brymbo on 29 Nov 1915. His address was given as "1 Long Row, Brymbo". Do you know who this might be?