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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: telboym8 on Sunday 29 March 09 09:12 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Ive been doing quite well tracing my Baldwin family in sussex but Noah Baldwin is confusing me.Census 1841 says he was 55yo born in Wadhurst.That makes him born in 1786 +- 1 year..but according to The Weald records there is a 1851 census record which puts his birth at 1781??..is this the same person?..
Noah married a Lidia/Lydia Smith at Lamberhurst 22/11/1806.
I have been given Noahs fathers name as Wiliam born 1745 who married a Mary CARD but I cannot prove this.It would be great if anyone can confirm this and a fantastic bonus of any of his siblings..Thanks
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Hi
Don't forget that the 1841 census didn't show exact ages, it rounded them up 5 years!
Kerry
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Hi
Do you have the reference for him in the 1841, the only Noah I can find was married to Emma and living in Frant and then Tunbridge Wells in 1851 which says he was born in Tonbridge.
Kerry
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Arr found it
H0107 1116 8/22 page 4
all born in county. Looking at the sussex marriage index I'm just wondering - there is a William Baldwin who married in Wadhurst in 1762 to Elizabeth Ashby. Quite early for Noah born 1786 but I wonder if it was rather that one rather than a William from Lamberhurst who married in Tonbridge especially as there seems to be Baldwins in Tonbridge. Hmmm.
Kerry
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Hi,
Is this the reference you would like..sorry Im fairly new to this
1841 wadhurst...emuneration dist 2,folio 22 page 4 line 3
Thanks
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The family of William and Mary Card is on the weald site
http://thesussexweald.org/N10.asp?NId=4111208
Noah is not on it, however there is a gap between Lamberhurst 1782 and Wadhurst 1789.
Kerry
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Thanks for your advice here.
It is proving difficult to weed out the truth here as there are so many baldwins in Wadhurst area at that time some of which may be brothers/sisters but I cannot proove this...very frustrating having got so far and with so much more information about other Baldwins but no links..I would like to know Im following the right line..Grrrrh..Still its all part of the intrigue...
Terry
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Census 1841 says he was 55yo born in Wadhurst.That makes him born in 1786 +- 1 year..but according to The Weald records there is a 1851 census record which puts his birth at 1781??..is this the same person?
Hi Terry,
The enumerators of the 1841 census were supposed to round down (not up) ages over 15 to the nearest lower age divisible by 5. That's not to say that they always did so, but assuming the enumerator in this case got it right Noah may have been nearly 60 in 1841. So it's not unreasonable to identify him with a 70-year-old person in 1851.
HTH,
Stovepipe
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Hi Terry
I know this is a bit late and I am new here. There seem to be lots of Noah Baldwins but the one you are looking at has a father William who is married to a Mary, seems to have died in 1833 (or Mary did- the summary record refers them as spouses ) aged 80 in Wadhurst and had the following children baptised in Wadhurst: Noah 1784, Uriah 1786, Jesse 1788, Phebe 1789, Mary Ann 1793, Matilda 1796 and David 1798. The wonderfully named Philadelphia is the daughter of William and Elizabeth so not part of the immediate family I guess.
If you can prove Mary Card I would be really pleased to hear it
All the best
MummyPlant
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William Baldwin married Mary Card in Tonbridge, Kent on 9th June 1777. He was of Lamberhurst and she was of the parish of Tonbridge. They married by licence. Unfortunately there are no further details on the Sussex Marriage Index.
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The 1833 burial is Mary Baldwin, aged 80, (born about 1753) wife of William, buried 16 August 1833 Wadhurst.
As you have probably gathered, Wadhurst seems to have been swarming with Baldwins so teasing out the ones you are looking for takes a little time. Of the Williams born in the mid 1700s there is a choice of:
William Baldwin buried Wadhurst 30 May 1849, aged 72 (b abt 1777), died Ticehurst Union workhouse
William Baldwin buried Wadhurst 16 Jan 1811, aged 48 (b abt 1763)
William Baldwin buried Wadhurst 26 Oct 1830, aged 94 (b abt 1736)
There are several younger Williams also buried at Wadhurst.
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Thank you very much for your helpful replies
I think that Lamberhurst is also swarming with Baldwins and I already have William Baldwin born 1845 in my family tree who might be worth following through. Thank you both.
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The line backwards from Noah seems to go via Wadhurst and Ticehurst more than Lamberhurst.
The general view seems to be that Noah's parents (William and Mary) were William BALDWIN, son of James and Ann, bapt 26 Jan 1756, in Wadhurst and Mary CARD, possibly dau of John and Sarah, bapt 11 Mar 1753, in Rotherfield.
Regards
Paul