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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: BW252 on Saturday 04 April 09 07:49 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
trying to trace the BMs & D of an Adam Robson b 12 Aug 1866 (Hawick) , I believe he was married three times and had a total of 12 children! not having much luck with the Scot People site. His son James (Jimmie) married Bella (her second husband - 1st was an Ernie Waitt) and they lived in Jedburgh. Looking to find the dob of all children and the details of his wives!
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Hello BW252
Unable to help, away on holiday in an hour or so.
However, for others.
You have a son James - what is his dob? Have you got his birth entry from SP? what details are on the entry.
Do you have Adam on any census records? I see from the IGI that he's the son of John Robson and Margaret Turnbull.
Any idea where Adam Robson died - can't see him on SP - is there any family tale of emigration....
Good luck. Regards, Steve
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I don't have much time at the moment but this might be a start.
1901 census.
6 North Street Springburn Glasgow
Adam Robson 34 Rail Eng Maker Iron Cutter Hydraulic, b Hawick
Janet Robson 2 daughter Glasgow
Margaret Robson 1 " "
Elspeth Miller 34 servant, house keeper, Galashiels
Andrew Miller 15 Grocer Shopkeeper Apprentice, Kelso
Mary Miller 11 scholar, Galashiels
Nellie Miller 5 boarder
I'm getting ready to go out soon but if you get no other responses, I'll look at other census returns and SP when I get back this evening.
Later, you might want to consider putting your post on Scotland General board as it seems obvious he at least had some of his children in Glasgow, perhaps elsewhere.
If you do post elsewhere, please cross refer with this thread to avoid duplication of effort. Quote:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05zr/
Dave
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Hi Dave
thanks for this. I do know that Adams wife died in childbirth (james) but was a bit dubious of the 1901 census. Adam married again apparently a woman 20 years younger! and they had 9 children - Adam, Madge, Annie, Maureen, Helen, Katie, Jock, Robert and Wull. Have not been able to find any tie up with the birth of james and the death of his mother.
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I'm just doing things quickly as I get ready. Am waiting on a lift at the mo so will need to rush off.
I'm not analysing anything yet.
1891
32 Victoria St, Galashiels
Adam Robson 24 Woollen piercer
Marjory Robson 25 Tillicoultry, Clackmannanshire
Lift arrived as I type.
Back later.
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Hi Dave
thanks for this. I do know that Adams wife died in childbirth (james) but was a bit dubious of the 1901 census. Adam married again apparently a woman 20 years younger! and they had 9 children - Adam, Madge, Annie, Maureen, Helen, Katie, Jock, Robert and Wull. Have not been able to find any tie up with the birth of james and the death of his mother.
Hi,
Saw your post ....had a look to see what I could find.
Found a marriage for Adam marrying a Majory Hunter 1890 Galashiels.
She died at the age of 31 1898 DENNISTOUN
Thats if we have the correct Adam.
I do think the 1901 is your Adam.....but can't pinpoint births for the children..
I haven't found any other marriages for son James.
I am not sure when he Married. Isabella Moore married her first husband in 1924 Ernest Reed Waitt.
If you Pm your email addy I will send you what I have found.
Hope this helps
Ali
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Just had one last look it seems he did marry someone 20 years younger in 1914
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Hi Ali
The plot thickens. If Adam (Auld Ned) married in 1914 it means that some of the 9 kids he had could have beenillegitimate!!!. My e mail is (*)
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Hi BW252,
The birth of Adam Robson is on SP dated 1866, born in Hawick, Roxburghshire, will cost £1.20 of the £6 credits that you need to purchase to download the certificate,
On Ancestry, he is on 1871 census with parents, John 39 and Margaret 35 at 21 Exchange St, Jedburgh, siblings Archibald 11, Margaret 9, Robert 7, and Janet 2, he was 4 at the time.
In the 1881 census at 3 Boundaries, Jedburgh he is a 14yo Millworker. No more children but mother's name shown as Martha and only 41yo, maybe Margaret died and this may be new wife.
In 1891 at 32 Victoria St, Galashiels he is 24yo Woollen Piercer with wife Marjory Hunter. He married in Gala 1890 and this can be downloaded for £1.20, also.
In the 1901 census, at 6 North St, Springburn, Glasgow, he is down as a 34 yo Rail Eng Maker, Iron Cutter Hydraulic. He has 2 children showing Janet 2 and Margaret 1, but no sign of wife. He seems to be sharing house with a 34 yo Elspeth Miller and her 3 children, Andrew 15, Mary 11 and Nellie 5. I can see no marriage for these 2.
Death of his wife, Margaret Hunter was in 1898 at Dennistoun at age of 31, which can also be downloaded. From post of alicook. On the 1901 census he has listed 2 children Janet 2 and Margaret 1, will have to prove their births on 1901 census.
On the NAS,
There is an entry,
Affiliation and aliment - female - 10 September 1914 between a Miss Margaret Turnbull and Adam Robson
Now Margaret Turnbull was his mother's name, co-incidence?
Tom
Changed original post to include death of his wife.
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its all starting to take shape now:
AR (Auld Ned) b 1866
Married Marjory Ure/Hunter (fa Andrew shown as reputed on Mge Cert)
Marjory died 1898 in Denistoun, Glasgow
1901 census shows Elspeth Millar with Janet & Margaret Robson (shown as mother on birth certs). Son James Millar born 1902 EM is mother.
Elspeth died in 1903 - this ties in with family letter stating that she died just after James was born. However on her death cert her fa is shown as James Robson and mo Elspeth Robson nee Millar. Adam had an Uncle called James ! Still looking at this
Adam Robson (Young Ned) is then born in 1904 to an Isabella Mackintosh(?)
Auld Ned then marries a Mary Palmer in 1914.
I am still trying to find the births of the remaining children
The only thing that bothers me about these Adams is the professions shown on all the certs
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On the NAS,
There is an entry,
Affiliation and aliment - female - 10 September 1914 between a Miss Margaret Turnbull and Adam Robson
Now Margaret Turnbull was his mother's name, co-incidence?
Hi BW252,
The action on the NAS, re affiliation & aliment, is that Miss Margaret Turnbull is pregnant and she has sworn father to be Adam Robson, if admitted or found to be true, Adam would be made to pay expenses toward Miss Turnbull. I am not sure if this is same Adam Robson but this would have to be checked on NAS documentation.
Tom
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its all starting to take shape now:
AR (Auld Ned) b 1866
Married Marjory Ure/Hunter (fa Andrew shown as reputed on Mge Cert)
Marjory died 1898 in Denistoun, Glasgow
1901 census shows Elspeth Millar with Janet & Margaret Robson shown as mother on birth certs. Son James Millar born 1902 EM is mother.
Elspeth died in 1903 - this ties in with family letter stating that she died just after James was born. However her fa is shown as James Robson and mo Elspeth Robson nee Millar. Adam had an Uncle called James ! Still looking at this
Adam Robson (Young Ned) is then born in 1904 to an Isabella Mackintosh(?)
Auld Ned then marries a Mary Palmer in Aug 1914.
Am still trying to trace Mgt Turnbull from the NAS (Adams mo was Mgt Turnbull 1835-1872). If the correct Adam, Mgt may be related!
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1901 census shows Elspeth Millar with Janet & Margaret Robson shown as mother on birth certs. Son James Millar born 1902 EM is mother.
Elspeth died in 1903 - this ties in with family letter stating that she died just after James was born. However her fa is shown as James Robson and mo Elspeth Robson nee Millar. Adam had an Uncle called James ! Still looking at this
Hi BW252,
You quote that "her fa is shown as James Robson and mo Elspeth Robson nee Millar" who is this related to? Is this Janet or Margaret Robson?
Marjory Ure Robson nee Hunter died in 29 April 1898, just enough time to have Janet born 7th May 1899 as a 2 yo in the 1901 census to Elspeth Millar. Janet's birth certificate shows her as illegitimate although both parents signed it. There was no date of marriage on the birth certificate. I take it that Adam Robson did not marry Elspeth Millar? I cannot find it in SP nor a marriage of James Robson to Elspeth Millar either.
I have downloaded Adam's BC, Janet's BC and Marjory's if you require copies, i will pm them to you.
Tom
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Hi BW252,
I forgot to add that there were 21 marriages for Adam Robson between 1890 and 1933 on SP. the Adam that we are interested in was married 1890 to Marjory Ure Hunter in 1890, you also advise he married Mary Palmer in 1914. He had a liaison with Elspeth Millar from 1898 to 1903 her death. This leaves a large gap between 1903 and 1914, there is another Adam "Lyall"Robson marriage in 1907 to a Helen Euphemia Spears in Blythswood Glasgow, could this be the same one?
Tom
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Hi Tom
Adam also had a liaison with an Isabella Mackintosh the mother of Adam (young ned). I think young Ned married a Jean Oliver whose father Jock had a fish shop in Jedburgh. Jock spent 40 years in Melrose Asylum and died in 1966.
New to this Roots chat game so thanks for the tip re quotes and hope this one is right!!!
Auld Ned had a total of 12 children and I am still trying to find them.
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Hi there,
I researched Adam's parents last year for another descendant,
his parents John Robson and Margaret Turnbull were married at Hawick on the 11th June 1858,
John's parents were Archibald Robson and Margaret Little from Jedburgh,
Margaret Turnbull's parents were Robert Turnbull and Janet Aitken,both dec.
John and Margaret Robson had children,Archibald b 1859, Margaret Little Robson b 1861, Robert b 1863, Adam born 1866, Janet b 1869,.
Margaret also had a dau Helen Ballantyne Turnbull born 17th March 1857,Hawick.
Margaret Robson ms Turnbull died at Jedburgh 1872,
John married 2nd Martha McCall Ramsden ms Learmond,Jedburgh June 11th 1875.
John Robson died at Jedburgh May 25th 1895 age 61yrs,informant was his son Adam Robson.
Archibald Robson and Margaret Little married 1830 Jedburgh had known children,
Adam married Helen Mabon,1854 Jedburgh.
John,married 1st Margaret Turnbull,2nd Martha Learmond
George,
James
Andrew married Hall Wright.1863 Jedburgh.
Agnes,
Elizabeth,
Margaret married Malcolm McArthur,1876 Jedburgh,
Archibald died 1889 at Edinburgh age 77yrs, home of his dau Margaret.
If you would like more info on them let me know,
Amanda.
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From my records, George m. Isabella Lumsden in 1864. They had 7 children, Beatrice m. Hunter, Andrew, George twin with Archibald in 1870, Margaret Jan. 1872, Gilbert Nov. 1872, & Isabella m. Short.
No information confirmed but believe that some of them migrated to Canada around 1900.
RCR43
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Thans RCR43 - I think I have found that George was married twice - 1st M to Jane Hall in 1856, Isabella is their Dau b 1860 Jae died shortly after giving birth to Jane Hall Robson in 1863. Geo them married Isabella Lumsden in 1864.
many thanks for the info
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BW252
There seems to be a lot of information. Some conflicting, but mainly the problem lies in people re-marrying and a lot of similar names.
Too many George, Gilbert, Adam & Archibald all living in the same area. It also appears that in-laws were marrying. The town couldn't have been very big.
I did visit Galashiels many years ago and got some info from the town hall, but only have one of them left.
That's the marriage certificate for Gilbert Robson & Mary Bell Short. Dec. 31, 1892. It shows his parents are George Robson & Isabella Lumsden.
Her parents were George & Elizabeth Short.
From my earlier note, Isabella Robson married Charles Short.
Ron Robson
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Ron
thanks for all the info - I agree that it is a minefield with the names and easy to gt side tracked. There is also the problem of moving especially up to the West coast! I also have similar problems with my Turnbull and Paterson side from the Borders
BW252