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Archibald Graham, b. Keady, County Armagh, was a baker in Markethill and later in English Street, Armagh. On the 24th. August 1836 he m. Mary Campbell and subsequently emigrated to Australia in 1839. First of all he came to Sydney where he was a baker. He more than likely worked for a Mr. Joseph William Brown bof King Street, Sydney. Later he moved to Emy, some thirty-seven miles from Sydney and became a farmer. On the death of his wife he remarried and had issue, twelve children, four of whom had died by 1857.
Yours etc., Newgent_for_life.
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Hi Newgent_for_life,
What an interesting story.
You have collected a good amount of information about a very early arrival ;D
Is there anything you are searching for now that needs Rchatters help?
Sue
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Dear Newgent (hope you don't mind me shortening your name ;D ;D)
i was intrigued by your place name "Emy" as i had never heard of it, so I looked it up and it doesn't currently exist.
http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/name_search
Could it have possibly have been Emu Plains? The distance is about right form Sydney.
Also had a look to see who your Archibald married but there are two marriages listed, and I also checked the children born to Archibald, and there are a heap (as you suggested). You might like to explore births, deaths and marriages for your family at
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
Cheers
Susie
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Is there anything you are searching for now that needs Rchatters help?
Sue
Rchatters help would be much appreciated in trying to discover the descendants of this early emigrant.
Yours, etc., Newgent.
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Dear Newgent (hope you don't mind me shortening your name ;D ;D)
Could it have possibly have been Emu Plains?
Cheers
Susie
Dear Susie,
Normally I will only use the full name in my initial introductory letter. So you beat me to it ! I would say that you are correct in your assumption that the place is "Emu". I copied the information from the original letter that was sent back to Keady in 1850s. I will start searching the BMD records you noted
yours etc., Newgent
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Dear Newgent, ;D
Here is a link to a quick history of Emu Plains
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_Plains,_New_South_Wales
There are also some comprehensive histories held by libraries (especially Penrith Library Service) as well as some fabulous photos at http://www.pictureaustralia.org/ (Just enter Emu Plains as the search term).
Have you sorted out the births, deaths and marriages yet from the large number listed on the NSW BDM site?
Cheers
Susie
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Hi
May I suggest you also search here -
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/keyname_search.asp
Cheers
Cando
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Have you sorted out the births, deaths and marriages yet from the large number listed on the NSW BDM site?
Cheers
Susie
No, and it will take time.
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Dear Newgent,
That was my thought exactly ;D ;D ;D.........there sure are plenty of births, but which are his and his new wife may take some sorting!
Good luck with it all.
Cheers
Susie :D
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May I suggest you also search here -
Cheers
Cando
Thank you Cando,
there are some possibilities.
Yours etc., Newgent.
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Newgent was the passenger record in 1838 for Archibald GRAHAM your man. I noted this Archbald was a carpenter. More curious that anything else as you mentioned he was a baker.
Cheers
Cando
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Dear Cando,
I think I can safely say that Archibald was a baker, although when a good job is on offer, you could change. Archibald was a baker in Markethill, County Armagh and then in English Street, Armagh City. Archibald had a brother, John who was also a baker, although as far as I know, he did not emigrate to Australia. John was alive in 1837. I can't decide at the moment if Archibald (1838) is my man, early days yet.
Yours etc., Newgent.
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Hi, Newgent! ;D
I know it's not going back where you want to be...but this may be interesting if you haven't seen it already
Do you have this information on Catherine Fox, the orphaned destitute teen from the Irish famine who became his 2nd wife. She raised his six children besides her own dozen or so, plus two of her stepson's children...
says Archibald's occupation: baker, farmer and miller
http://www.irishfaminememorial.org/orphans/ships_nsw.htm
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Dear newgent,
Wow, JJ's information points to this possibly as being Archibald's death from NSW BDM's
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
Registration No:4733
Year:1896
Name: GRAHAM ARCHIBALD
Father:ARCHIBALD
Mother:MARY J
Place:WOLLONGONG
and, if you go to Wollongong Library's picture collection "Illawarra Images" http://www.wollongong.nsw.gov.au/library/5397.asp
and enter Graham and bakery there are three photos of a Graham Bakery at Mount Kembla......not Archibald, but possibly one of his sons.
Wollongong Library has a great Local Studies Librarian.....if you want to pursue this line of research. ;D
Cheers
Susie
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Dear Newgent,
As I live in the Wollongong /Dapto area mentioned in JJ's brilliant find , I am aware that the Graham name is quite famous in these parts with one of the Graham's becoming Mayor and having roads etc name after them. If this is your Graham married to Catherine Fox, then there will be LOTS of history at the Library. I can give you the email address of the Local Studies Librarian extraordinaire if you wish to pursue this line of research.
Cheers
Susie
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Hi, all! I hope it is the right person...I thought the dozen children might be a clincher...
It's pretty unusual to have all that information plop into one's lap , but it surely seems right, a widower, a baker, and the 12 children...
So if correct you may have the 2nd.wife's name, Catherine Fox, date of marriage,Oct. 14 , 1852, her parents from Killyman, Armagh Patrick & Fanny, both of whom died prior to her ship sailing in 1848. There is a name listed, as well...Would this be the person who informed them of her history, perhaps a descendant? Oh, sure, there's a gift, and I want a ribbon!
1872 http://www.family.joint.net.au/index.php?mid=1&cid=543 Archibald Graham, a miller on Crown street
J.J.
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From the first wife, a Robert, son of Mary Campbel and Archibald Graham, baker & farmerl...
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-NSW-SE/2008-01/1199514914
and just in case this is a descendant as well, but must leave it to the local pros to find out...nice full name anyway...
http://illawarraimages.wollongong.nsw.gov.au/IllaWeb/scripts/ExtSearch.asp?SearchTerm=P13030
and a few more to check out...http://www.geocities.com/docroberre/scc16.html
a glut of Grahams, but then he helped populate the area ;D
http://addison.homedns.org/transcriptions/grevilles/names_a_to_z/g.htm
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Hi, all! I hope it is the right person...I thought the dozen children might be a clincher...
http://www.family.joint.net.au/index.php?mid=1&cid=543 Archibald Graham, a miller on Crown street
J.J.
Hi,
Crown Street is one of the main streets in Wollongong. It runs East from the beach and at the eastern end there is a cluster of old commercial buildings (one houses my fave coffee shop)........the middle of Crown Street is the main commercial centre of Wollongong (and now a large mall) and the street continues up the hill to the hospital.
There are some fabulous photos of Crown Street at http://www.wollongong.nsw.gov.au/library/5397.asp
Cheers
Susie
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So is this the mill, then? ( sorry, link doesn't lead to image) Awesome collection of photos...what a beautiful place!
keyword" flour mill crown street' to see 2 photos, one of a fire on the street,
and one of the mill just behind the church...by keywording crown street photo # 18
I'm sure there are more...awesome resource susie...!
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If this is the right Graham, then that should be his mill...........great photo collection held by the Library.
....and this is what Wollongong (or "The Gong" as the locals call it) looks like now
http://www.rootschat.com/links/060r/
Moderator Comment: Very long link shrunk using http://www.rootschat.com/links/
Cheers
Susie
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I am so engrossed in the information that you have unearthed for me that I have forgotten my thank yous.
Dear Susie, J.J., Cando, and Sue,
Thank you all very much. I have some letters that Archie sent back to Keady ca. 1840s/50s. If I find any relevent information, I will tell you. There are also photographs from roughly the same period but I'm having difficultly sending them.
Yours, etc., Newgent.
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Here is a help page....There's a practice page as well, but you can keep practicing right on the one posting on this thread by using the modify button...If it doesn't work the first time, just go in and uncheck the box for that image & try again...better yet, have 3 sizes ready, then if one doesn't work try another....cal them a b & c so as not to overwrite them...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,130922.0.html
By the way I am most envious that you have all the correspondence from that era. Do you have an idea just how lucky you are to have inherited those? ( How smart the ancestors were to not have junked them!)
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See that the Archibald found earlier may be this one, born to an Archibald Graham...so might still be a grandson...
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nswgdhs/26440.htm
Was telling my hubby about Catherine and what a strong woman she must have been and realized as I noted dates that the woman lived to be around 90...
There's a submission on LDS, ( not always very reliable, but stepping stones, sometimes) Catherine born to Patrick Fox & Frances with the same marriage date from the memorial site...and a death date for Archibald of 1893
submission for a birth of an Archibald Graham - 1853 Dapto, ArchGraham/CathFox with death listed as 1920
also see that other children are submitted with some marriages as well ...
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
Archibald Graham - c.1853 - 1919/20 b. Dapto / m. Elizabeth Cummings c.1882
Thomas Graham - c.1855 - 1915 b. Dapto
Alexander Graham - c.1857- 1925 b. Dapto
Catherine Graham - c.1859- 1919 b. Dapto / m. Marcus Tynan c.1882
George Graham - c.1861 - 1886 b. Dapto
Henry James Graham - c.1863-1918 b.Dapto / m. Elizabeth Cavill c.1891
Patrick Graham - c.1865 b.Dapto
Margaret Graham - c.1868 - 1871 b. Wollongong
Alfred Graham - c.1869 - 1889 b.Wollongong
Frederick Graham - c.1872 - 1930 b.Wollongong / m. Lilly A O'meara c.1897
Florence H Graham - c.1874 - 1952 b. Wollongong / m. William McNamara c.1899
Henry James Graham - His bakery ...also a Harry Graham Drive in KEMBLA HEIGHTS
http://illawarraimages.wollongong.nsw.gov.au/IllaWeb/scripts/ExtSearch.asp?SearchTerm=P13029
http://illawarraimages.wollongong.nsw.gov.au/IllaWeb/scripts/ExtSearch.asp?SearchTerm=P02079
http://illawarraimages.wollongong.nsw.gov.au/IllaWeb/scripts/ExtSearch.asp?SearchTerm=P01936
the Henry Archibald Graham w. baker's cart, was the son of H.J. Graham of Kembla Heights
3 photos of him, here http://www.pictureaustralia.org/index.html
Marcus Dillon Begley TYNAN & Catherine daughter of second wife Catherine & children listed
http://www.familyorigins.com/users/d/e/a/Mary--Dean/FAMO2-0001/d115.htm
Oh, dear just saw that there are 3 different trees on ancestry one has a date of birth for Archibald as 1818 two as 1813, and all have different dates in May...
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and I imagine you have these submissions already ...but marriages and names can help find descendants
8 are listed for 1st wife Mary Campbell *
Robert Graham c. 1837-1883 b. Armagh, Ireland / m. 1. Rebecca MUSGRAVE 2. Anne NIXON 1860 )
John Graham - c. 1839 Sydney / may have m. Mary Marchant 1866 * see reply 25
Stewart Graham - c. 1840 Sydney
William Graham - c. 1842 - 1915 b. Sydney / may have m. Christina Fraser 1871 * see reply 25
Mary Graham - c. 1843 - 1908 b. Sydney / m. Samuel Auckland 1865
Elizabeth Graham - c. 1846 Sydney
Joseph Graham - c. 1848 - 1929 b. Sydney
Ann Elizabeth Graham - c. 1850 - 1883 b.Sydney
Wow, if he really spent 35 years making babies, then he really did populate the area...Sounds like my hubby's ancestors...prolific....(Robert's headstone headstone at Rookwood states he was the oldest of 21 children)
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-NSW-SE/2008-01/1199514914
http://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/asp/pdf/06_0257_dwyers_ea_3_appD_contamination_pt4.pdf
page 15...Part Allotments 2 & 3 Section 10 & other lands Town of Wollongong
1893-1914
Walter Graham Robertson, trustee
Catherine Graham, widow
William McNamara, trustee ( note: her son-in-law ?)
1889-1893
Archibald Graham
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Not adding to family, but interesting lot, ...a guided tour you may take one day!
http://www.mtkembla.org.au/docs/Walk%202%20%20-%20Kembla%20Heights%20&%20Windy%20Gully.pdf
# 17 is Graham’s Bakery* (No remains. Operational up to late1950’s. Ned MacNamara started work for Harry J Graham Snr in 1888 (aged 14) and finished in approximately 1948. Harry A Graham Jnr (who later became Wollongong’s first Lord Mayor) took over the bake house and delivered fresh bread baked daily in a special `Baker’s Cart’ pulled by a draft horse...refers to the photo we saw earlier, I imagine...#22 says it is the Graham Residence!
timeline has these...may also be related...then also a tour map
1865 - Graham Bros. sent first load of kerosene from shale oil production on American
Creek to Wollongon
1874 - Graham Bros. sold kerosene works to the Mt Kembla Coal & Oil Company
1883 - John Graham was appointed Post Master
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a contact is listed with this submission for a grandchild so you may have a descendant to contact -address posted:
Margaret Campbell GRAHAM b.1870 Wollongong to parents John GRAHAM & Mary MERCHANT
married John Robert FAULKS ...hmmmmm...but I followed the Submission Search # 3462340-0209106000618 for more Grahams, and she hasn't information on John, so perhaps she just thought it was part her family
pedigree files have 11 children listed to William John Graham & Christina Fraser...
between 1871 an 1888 submission search # 2385656-0821103064741
Submitter name & address are given! again the submission number seems to point to different ancestors... ::)
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Dear J.J.,
This is all wonderful stuff. The names of his children reflect the names of his siblings to an extent that its too big a coincidence. Just need to clarify that Archy's parents were;
Peter Graham, b. Dundrum, County Dublin, Barony of Rathdown, Civil Parish of Taney, PLU Rathdown, Leinster, 1777, died Keady, County Armagh 24th. December, 1846. Mary Campbell, b. 1778 ob. 1863. issue;
Stuart.
Alexander.
John.
Robert.
William.
Thomas.
Joseph.
Mary.
Jane.
Yours, etc., Newgent.
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I can give you the email address of the Local Studies Librarian extraordinaire if you wish to pursue this line of research.
Yes Susie,
I would appreciate that.
Yours etc., Newgent.
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Dear Newgent and JJ,
Fantastic news that this prominent Wollongong Family is yours.........the Library will have HEAPS of information about them as Henry (aka Harry) was the Mayor for a while. Harry Graham Drive in Mt Kembla is named after him too. Harry Graham Drive is currently under repair due to some rock slides and instability, which have made the local paper. It is a beautiful drive that (when open) runs through the very pretty and quaint village of Mount Kembla (best known for the Mount Kembla Mine disaster and it's great pub) then up through the rainforest onto the Illawarra Escarpment......it is the weekend bikers delight!
If you like, I will contact the Local Studies Librarian and ask if she can locate where Archibald is buried and if the local historical society had a photograph of the grave. If the grave hasn't been photographed, I will go and take a photo for you. As it is Easter here tomorrow, we might not get an answer until next week, but I will let you know what I find out.
I have just read your new post..........and have sent you a P.M. with her email address so you can ask her for the HEAPS of information they will have. She is a delight. ;D
Cheers
Susie
Cheers
Susie
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Hi, Susie...not my family...just enjoying Newgent's interesting Graham families...J.J.
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Hi, Susie...not my family...just enjoying Newgent's interesting Graham families...J.J.
Dear JJ,
I wasn't sure if it was your family, but I thought like me that you were intrigued by them with all of the fascinating information that has been unearthed....with lots more to come! :D :D
Cheers
Susie
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My Dear Susie,
Seeing you have done so much for me, I can't pick up the courage to ask you to do any more favours. Have your well earned Easter break which will give me space to catch up with you. When I instigated the first post re: "From Keady to Emy", I thought I would be fortunate if I made a bit of progress over four or five years. I never in my wildest dreams imagined I'd get here so quickly. I have relations in Melbourne, Queensland and Bateman's Bay NSW. who haven't the slightest Idea whats going on. When I tell them I will ask them to go and give you the biggest hug of your life.
Yours etc., Newgent.
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Dear Susie,
Before you go for your break I thought you would like to know that I came across a letter Archy had written home to his brother with an address Woolongong, NSW.
Yours etc., Newgent.
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Dear Newgent,
I rang the Local Studies Librarian extraordinaire and told her to expect an email from you. I also asked her to find Archibald's grave and she located it at Wollongong Cemetery in the C of E section.
This cemetery was attacked by vandals and is currently undergoing repairs and re-fencing.
http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/news/local/news/general/vandals-destroy-wollongong-cemetery-gravestones/1408483.aspx
I am not sure if I can get into the cemetery, but I will give it a go in the near future.
Hugs......always up for big hugs........your relative in Batemans Bay is the closest.....just down the road really! ;D ;D ;D (well, it's probably a 2 hour drive!)
Happy Easter. 8) 8) 8)
Cheers
Susie
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Dear J.J.,
if you like I'll send you copies of these letters etc. by PM. Considering what help you've given me, its the least I can do.
Yours sincerely,
Newgent.
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Dear Newgent,
Have just spoken to the Local Studies Librarian at Wollongong and she has given me some further information on the grave, so i will potter in there soon and take a photo for you. She is expecting an email from you regarding the Graham family and the information they have there.
Cheers
Susie
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Thanks Susie,
I sent an email off to her this morning and am looking forward in antisipation to her reply.
Yours, etc., Newgent.
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Dear Newgent,
Cool.......here's hoping you find out heaps more about this important Wollongong family that you belong to!
Cheers
Susie ;D ;D
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Hi Newgent,
Lovely Susie has been able to help so much with all her local knowledge ;D
Good luck with the library
Here is Archibald's immigration (assisted) Married Male Immigrant
Arrived 2 Oct 1838 - Ship Coromandel
GRAHAM Archd 23 from Armagh Baker Protestant could read and write brought out by J Marshall
GRAHAM Mary 21 from Armagh Servant could not read or write
GRAHAM Robert Infant from Armagh
GRAHAM Archibald
brought out by John Marshall
Native of Armagh
Occ Baker
Age 23
Person Certifying Baptism Edward Agle Desuary Curate of Armagh
Character Good
Person testifying to Character Leanard Doblin JP Armagh
Married Female Immigrant
GRAHAM Mary
Brought out by John Marshall
daughter of John and Jane Campbell of Kady
Occ Housekeeper
Age 20 years in Jan 1838
Person Certifying Baptism Edward Agle Desury Curate of Armagh (Curates name is spelt two different ways)
Person testifying to Character Leanard Doblin JP Armagh
Child
GRAHAM Robert
Aged 6 Months
Cheers Kris :)
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My Dear Kris,
Thank you for this wealth of information. Its so important to have such factual evidence.
As I have already said in another post which you would be aware of, that I never imagined to progress so quickly, and, as you say Susie has been most helpful with her local knowledge. However I am sure Susie would agree with me that J.J. made a striking contribution "some little gems".
Yours sincerely, Newgent.
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Dear Newgent and Kris,
Would agree totally with Newgent......JJ has been outstanding........both on this board, and the Canadian........worthy of honorary family membership!
Cheers
Susie
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sent E-mail, to Local Studies Librarian at Wollongong, waiting on reply.
Newgent.
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Dear Newgent,
Went to the Cemetery today to try and find Archibald's grave site for you and take a photo, however the young lad on duty today was a casual staff member who didn't know how to locate the grave for me in the very large Church of England section. As I was about to venture over and start looking, the heavens opened and the rain poured down so I beat a hasty retreat to my car. ;D ;D ;D
I have now rung the Wollongong Family History contact and he is trying to locate the exact grave site for me, so that when I go back later in the week i will be able to find the grave easily. As soon as I have this information, I will pop in and take the photo for you.
Cheers
Susie :D :D
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Dear Susie,
God Bless you for your perservance.
Yours, etc.,
Newgent.
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Dear Newgent,
Just spoke with the Family History man. He tells me that even though Archibald is listed as being buried at the Wollongong Cemetery, there is no grave location listed. He is chasing up with a relative who lives in Queensland through email and has asked him if he was able to locate Archie.
The Family History man is also checking up in the Pioneers Cemetery listing as well as the listing for the original Church of England cemetery (which is now a rose garden and no headstones remain). He will check all of this when he visits the library on Wednesday, so as soon as he gets back to me, I will let you know.
Cheers
Susie :D :D
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Thanks again, Susie.
Newgent.
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To whom it may concern. I have tried to send these photos of one of Archibald Graham's wives', but without success.
Sorry,
Yours sincerely,
Newgent.
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Dear Newgent,
Are you trying to load the photo onto this post? If so, there is a blue
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I have yet to hear from the Family history man about Archibald's grave......I will chase him up if I don't hear today.
Cheers
Susie
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Are you trying to load the photo onto this post? If so,
Dear Susie,
I pressed the mouse thing on where it says (in blue), "Attach a photo...............". I was
prompted to press browse, which I did. The photographs appeared in a window; I checked the ratings; 296 kb. and JEPG. Here my knowledge ends.
Sorry Susie, I'm a slow learner.
Yours etc.,
Newgent.
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Dear Newgent,
.......I was a slow learner regarding attachments too!
Go to the blue section and where it says "Attach" click on the choose file icon. you need to find the photo file on your computer and click on it and then the file name should come up in that section.
Hope this makes sense!
Cheers
Susie
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My Dear Susie,
As you can see by the posts I am sending, I have somehow or other managed to get a picture in my profile. It was not an accident as I had been trying same. This gives me hope that I will eventually get them posted correctly.
The picture in my profile is quite rare. It is etched on its original plate and stuck to the original letter sent back from Australia in the 1800's. It depicts two relations of my maternal grandmother, as she had pencilled in "an Australian Aunt and cousin". I suppose that its wrong to assume right away that this is Archibald's wife and daughter whereas on the other hand I cannot imagine who else it could be.
Yours etc.,
Newgent.
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Dear Newgent,
What a treasure to have in the family..............let's hope somehow we can prove that it is Archie's wife.
Cheers
Susie
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Dear Susie,
Could you possibly find out for me if your colleague at the library received my e-mail?
Yours, etc.,
Newgent.
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Dear Newgent,
I sure can.....I will check with her on Monday.
Cheers
Susie
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Dear Newgent,
She has got your email.......and will reply soon. ;D
Cheers
Susie
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Thank you, Susie. Its like waiting on exam results
Newgent
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Ahhh......but you will get great results! ;D
Cheers
Susie
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Dear Siouxsie,
If the "History Man" can't come up with any answers as to where Archy was laid to rest, I would be quite happy with a snapshot of you pointing to the rose garden. I Can't think of any other person in particular whose final resting place I would like to know about apart from Mary Campbell (his first wife) or Catherine Fox (his second wife).
Yours etc.,
Newgent.
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Dear Newgent,
I spoke with History man this afternoon, and he has scoured his resources looking for the exact grave location with no results. He has a couple of other clues he is following up for me next week, so if he doesn't get a result, I take a photo of the Rose Garden for you.
I will follow up the wives for you and see where they are.
Cheers
Susie :D
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Dear Siouxsie,
If the "History Man" can't come up with any answers as to where Archy was laid to rest, I would be quite happy with a snapshot of you pointing to the rose garden. I Can't think of any other person in particular whose final resting place I would like to know about apart from Mary Campbell (his first wife) or Catherine Fox (his second wife).
Yours etc.,
Newgent.
Dear Newgent,
I have checked to see where Mary would be buried, but the death doesn't list a place of death as it is a very old certificate. The certificate itself may have where she is buried, but you would have to purchase it (or get a transcription) to find out. Do you know where she died, as we might be able to check the cemeteries in that area.
If Catherine that is listed as dying in 1946 is the right Catherine, she is buried in the Wollongong General Cemetery in the Catholic section. I have the row and grave number, so I will take a photo for you tomorrow on my way to Sydney.
Cheers
Susie ;D
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Dear Newgent,
Alas, today was chaotic and i didn't get back from Sydney until after dark.........I am going into Wollongong tomorrow, so i will take the photos then for you.
Cheers
Susie
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Dear Siouxsie,
Sorry to miss your posts; I've been trying to catch up on other matters not on Rootschat.
I really appreciate everything you have done for me and don't want you to go out of your way. I am trying to get a family tree drawn up with the information given to me. I have no pacific date for Mary's death yet.
Newgent
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Dear Newgent,
I have been to the cemetery, but I doubt if this is the right Catherine. She would have been in her 100's when she died, but this grave says she was in her 70's. She may however, be a relative. Now, the real question is, when did she die??????
If you PM your email address, I will send you the photos tomorrow afternoon.
Cheers
Susie
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Dear Siouxsie,
I received your e-mails and content which I am most grateful for. Although this is not the Catherine we are looking for, I agree with you that both this Catherine and Herbert will be related somewhere along the line.
Yours etc.,
Newgent.
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Dear Newgent,
Sorry to have not gotten back to you.......have had some major family issues to deal with.
Has the wonderful library lass sent you anything yet on the Graham family?
I have had a message from the Family History man, and he is unable to locate Archie's grave, so we must assume he is buried in the Rose Garden. When I next head into Wollongong (and it's nor pouring with rain as it currently is), i will take several photos of the garden for you.
Cheers
Susie :D
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Dear Siouxsie,
You have been more than gracious towards me with your time. May God bless you and your family always.
I received an e-mail from Marisa O'Connor on 18th. last. She was most helpful, generally speaking, however I am still going to reserve my credit for J.J.
Marissa, that wonderful library lass, has sent some worthwhile contacts; The Illawarra Family History Group; Historical Society INC., etc. I hope I can help her collections by sending some snaps of Archy's wives and children. Say nothing at the moment incase its not successful.
I was not able to say what I wanted to say regarding the Memorial; in fact I was not able to say anything other than give my e-mail address, which is inserted after the notes on Cathering Fox.
Yours sincerely,
Newgent.
PS. Thats a nice photograph.
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Dear Newgent,
As we have torrential rain here at the moment, I have not been able to get a photo of the rose garden for you yet.
The library lass is wonderful.......she is off work for a couple of weeks I believe.
What happened with the memorial??????
Many thanks for your comment re my photo........my mother died on 12th May and we held her funeral this Tuesday where I gave the eulogy....it has been an emotional time.
Cheers
Susie
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[quote author=Siouxsie. Has the wonderful library lass sent you anything yet on the Graham family yet.
Here are some extracts from the ( Illawarra Pioneers; pre 1900; LR929.3 ILL ); information Marissa sent me.
The first difference was Archy's mother's maiden name was Hillem (not Laverty).
Places of residences; Sydney -1852; Brownsville- 1863; Keira Cottage, Cross Roads, Wollongong-1893.
Occupations; Baker- 1838-52; Baker and Flour Millowner - 1853-1885.
Marriages; Mary Campbell, Armagh, 1834; Catherine Fox, St. Philip's, Sydney, 14.10.1852.
After a major setback when the Flour Milling business nearly folded, but survived, Archy's two sons carried on the business and he, along with John Bright, ran a ketch, "The Comet" between Wollongong and Sydney.
Archy was involved in various mining ventures down the coast and in various parts of the colony.
PS have to rush off; more later; Yours sincerely, Newgent.
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Dear Newgent,
Great news that you have some information on Archie's life. Here is a photo of Wollongong Harbour around the time Archie was sailing http://illawarraimages.wollongong.nsw.gov.au/illaweb/scripts/default.asp?Lib=/IllaIms
Enter Boats and there are all sorts of great photos of the harbour.
Cheers
Susie
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[quote author=Siouxsie. Here is a photo of Wollongong Harbour around the time Archie was sailing.
Dear Siouxie,
Thank you very much for these wonderful photographs. At last I can see how my Ancestors lived and worked in Australia.
Yours sincerely, Newgent
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Dear Newgent,
It's a wonderful photo of a working harbour (that is still a fishing boat harbour today).
There are some wonderful photos of Brownsville, Mount Kembla (where some of Archie's children lived), Flour mills and old Wollongong in "Illawarra Images" http://illawarraimages.wollongong.nsw.gov.au/illaweb/scripts/default.asp?Lib=/IllaIms
Just put in these search terms and explore your ancestors life.
Also.........I have just realised........if you put in Rose Garden, then the Pioneer Cemetery Rose garden pictures are there (this is where we think Archie is buried)........they are old photos......I will still take some for you next time I am in Wollongong.
Cheers
Susie
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Continuation of reply no. 67.......Archie was involved in mining ventures down the coast and in various parts of the Colony and was a main shareholder in the Old Temperance Hall and, after it was burnt down, the sole owner. He was one of the first Aldermen on the Wollongong Council and for a time a Warden at St. Michael's Anglican Church. He died in 1893 leaving a widow and twelve surviving children out of a total of 21.
from:Illawarra Pioneers pre 1900 LR929.3 ILL
Archibald Graham, jun., was born in Sydney in 1853. He was brought up in Illawarra, and learned the milling business under his father, Mr. Archibald Graham, sen., who started about 1862. The latter gentleman carried on business until 1883, when he retired handing over to our subject the control of the mill. This is a silk dressing steam mill of 14 horse-power, and has two pairs of stones, turning out about thirty tons of flour per week. The district not being now what is called a grain- growing one, Mr. Graham imports his corn from Victoria and South Australia, and has always succeeded in taking prizes for his flour at the local shows. He also carries on, in conjunction with the mill, the largest produce business on this coast, and altogether finds employment for ten hands.He was married in 1883 to the daughter of Captain Cummins, of London, and has two sons. He is a member of the Church of England and a director of a local gas company.
(The Aldine Centennial History of N.S.W. 1888 by W.F. Morrison, Vol. 2.)
Yours etc., Newgent.
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Dear Newgent,
Wow........your family history is certainly taking shape!
Cheers
Susie
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Dear Newgent,
I am a descendant of Archibald and Catherine, through Thomas and his daughter Florence Olive. I have some information from the publication 'Pioneers of the Illawarra' this includes a photograph of Archibald and Catherine. I have a transcript of their marriage in Sydney in 1852. I'm happy to share these with you.
As you can image there are many descendents in the Illawarra and I've been told that one has done a lot of work on the genealogy. I've yet to find out who she is though.
I've attached the photos of Catherine and Archibald unfortunately there no really clear and I'm not sure where they are from.
Glynn
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[quote author=glynnpd. Dear Glynn, So glad to receive your communication and especially to find out that you are descended from Archibald and Catherine. I have quite a full family tree of Archibald's brothers and their descendents which I will gladly let you have. At the moment I am on holiday in England, but when I return to Ireland and get excess to my notes we can start to put the tree together.
Yours sincerely, Newgent.
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Dear Glynn,
I am back at home and therefore in a better position to discuss the Graham Family tree and history, etc. I notice in your e-mail that you said you sent a photo of Archibald and Catherine. Unfortunately it did not arrive. Don't be put of by this, as It can happen. It has happened to me. I suggest you get assistance from someone who is computer wise. Please let me know how much of the family tree you have to save me sending unnecessary information. There is another descendant of Archibald ( through his second son, John ) who has contacted me recently. His name is Ron Acton and he lives in Queensland. Do you know him?
Yours sincerely, Newgent.
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Hi All,
my great, great, great, were Archibald Graham and Catherine Fox, just wondering if anyone has any information about these 2 ancestors. I have found out some information about Catherine but not much about Archibald.
Cheers.
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Hi All,
my great, great, great, were Archibald Graham and Catherine Fox.
Hello Archifox, I am related to Archibald Graham through his brother, Joseph who was my great,great grandfather on my mother's side of the family. I inherited, or acquired all the correspondence and albums for the Grahams through my maternal grandmother, Margaret Irons, nee Graham who was also a poetess and founding member along with Thomas Carnduff of the Belfast Poetry Circle. If you scroll back on this topic , you will find plenty of comments related to your query. I on the other hand will be quite willing to show with you anything I have or know.
Yours, etc., Newgent.
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Welcome to rootschat ARCHIFOX. This is reply number 78, so as you can see there are many pages back with information to read. Most of us on here are helpers, but those who are descendants will declare it somewhere in a reply, so you'll find them as you read it all through. Have fun!
There is also a private messaging system which allows you to pass info back & forth regarding the living, or for exchanging email addresses. One way you can access this is by clicking on the green scroll under their username or avatar....but you'll need to post a few times before this feature is activated!... All the best, J.J.
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Hi All,
my great, great, great, were Archibald Graham and Catherine Fox.
Hello Archifox, I tried to send a picture of Archibald but to no avail, the reason being, it was too large; They have to be under 500 something or other. What I have done is used the picture of him as the avatar. I have other picture of his wife and some children which I will send, maybe the same way.
Yours etc., Newgent.
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The caption for this photo says ; Australian Aunt and cousin of Margaret Irons.
Moderator Comment: image resized for easier viewing
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Hi Newgent,
I was wondering if you have any high resolution images of Catherine Fox and Archibald Graham. I know a journalist who is working on a TV programme about the Irish Potato Famine orphans and would like to have a look at ANY images you might have that is relevant to Catherine Fox and her family. Thanks for sending me all that information a while back I was reading it again the other day and realised that half the eMail has corrupted could you send it to me again.
Cheers Brent.
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Hello Archifox, how long have I got to get these photos to you ?
Yours, etc.,
Newgent.
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Hi to Newgent and others on this post topic
I am a great great grand-daughter of Robert Graham, the oldest son of Archibald Graham by his first wife Mary Campbell. Robert lived at Upper Kangaroo River and his first wife Ann Nixon also died as a young woman. Robert and Ann had two children, Mary (my great grandmother married Edward Parrish) and Archibald. I returned to live in the Illawarra last year after an absence of over 23 years. I have quite a lot of information provided by various family members over the years. My late father had an uncanny likeness to Archibald in the photograph posted. Hope you are all still interested and online -from Lorraine Neate
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To everyone on this topic,
I just signed up as I have been doing some family research and cam across this forum, I've read all of the pages up until the last post.
I am a descendent of Archibald and Catherine through their son Thomas who married a Mary Oliver Cavill.
I'm not used to online forums so I find I don't really know what I'm doing, also not used to sharing information online so it's a little bit daunting.
If someone could explain how to do private messages on here that would be fantastic!
I would like to find out as much as I can about Archie Graham, there's a myth or rumour that this Graham line could be traced back to Scottish royalty.
Kind regards,
C
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To everyone again,
I have 3 chat notices but after doing a bit of research the rule is that you have to make at least 3 posts before being allowed to use personal messages which I'm assuming includes using this chatterbox thing. I'm not sure if it's just the site generating welcome messages or whatnot or if it's someone replying to my previous post. If it is, I'm sorry I cant see it.
Regards,
C
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Hi Heritage_Seeker
Welcome to rootschat :)
To read your private message just click on "My Messages" in the brown banner in the top.
To send a private message click on the circle under their username with a letter/text in it.
But you probably need 1 more post (can just say Hi) before you can use the whole pm system properly.
regards,
Ros
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Thanks Ros,
It's weird, after that post it started to work even though I'd only done two. Oh well 😊
C
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Well-done :)
I think there are restrictions before 3 posts like you can only receive 2 messages so that if someone else tried to send you a messsage it would refuse saying your message box was full ... (maybe)
But anyway you are up and running now :)
Ros
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Well-done :)
I think there are restrictions before 3 posts like you can only receive 2 messages so that if someone else tried to send you a messsage it would refuse saying your message box was full ... (maybe)
But anyway you are up and running now :)
Ros
Yay 😊
Hahahaha you can tell I'm a newbie and my generation is supposed to be good with this stuff- feeling a bit sheepish 😊
C
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No need to feel sheepish - you're doing great :)
We're a friendly helpful bunch (and we all make mistakes, miss things, have blonde moments etc ;D )
Ros
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So I know I'm coming into this conversation quite late but were people still after a photo of Catherine Fox? My husband's Aunty has ancestry and she printed off the photo that is my profile picture, which is Catherine.
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Does anyone know of any ancestry links to Scottish royalty through Archie Graham, it's been a bit of a family story.
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Archibald Graham, b. 1815, Dundrum, County Armagh. Married at Keady Second Presbyterian Church, Mary, as his first wife, daughter of the late Mr. John Campbell of Keady, by his wife, Jane and subsequently, along with their infant son Robert, see infra, they immigrated to Australia, arriving there on 2nd. October 1838, on the "Coromanandel."
Trust this is of help to you.
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Archibald Graham, b. 1815, Dundrum, County Armagh. Married at Keady Second Presbyterian Church, Mary, as his first wife, daughter of the late Mr. John Campbell of Keady, by his wife, Jane and subsequently, along with their infant son Robert, see infra, they immigrated to Australia, arriving there on 2nd. October 1838, on the "Coromanandel."
Trust this is of help to you.
I think I've read this information before. I'd like to go back further than Peter. Was this family connected to the Graham clan of Scotland?
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If you have already read the post I sent them there is not much more I can give you, as it was part of a 10 page fulscape post sent about 6 ears ago to NSW
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If you have already read the post I sent them there is not much more I can give you, as it was part of a 10 page fulscape post sent about 6 ears ago to NSW
Oh okay, I was hoping that after 6 years some more information had been unearthed. Oh well, if I manage to find out if the family story of connections to Scottish aristocracy are true I'll post it on here :)
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Hi everyone,
I asked on a FB page that is dedicated to the history of the Kembla/Wollongong area about Archie and his family. I got a bit of info. A woman also asked if I knew of a relation to Archie called Ezekial Graham born 1810 in North Carolina. I didn't know the name but thought one of you might have come across him in your searches.
Thanks 😊
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Archibald Graham, b. 1815 at Keady, County Armagh Had a brother called Robert who emigrated to Canada and finally settled at Hamilton where he died 1847.
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Archibald Graham, b. 1815 at Keady, County Armagh Had a brother called Robert who emigrated to Canada and finally settled at Hamilton where he died 1847.
Thanks for that. I'll let her know they could be distant relatives from the graham clan but not closely related.
I was recently chatting to a cousin of my grandmother who lives in the US and she told me her mum always said our family came from the Graham's of Claverhouse. I don't know if this rings any bells with you.
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Hi fello rellos,
Thought I’d jump on the thread as I am descended of the above mentioned Archibald Graham of Armagh, Ireland
Husband/Wife/Marriage year
Archibald Graham/Catherine Fox/1852
Archibald Graham/Elizabeth Cummings/1882
Oscar Graham/Elizabeth Neve/1926
Alfred Wilson/Sylvia Graham/1955
Would like to know more about Archibald Snr and Jnr, especially why Jnr moved from Wollongong to Sydney’s northern beaches?
Looking forward to hearing back from anyone.
Kind regards,
Jess