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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lincolnshire => England => Lincolnshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Filiem on Friday 10 April 09 18:49 BST (UK)
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Hello everyone.
William INCKLE (a brother of my GGG Grandfather) was a "farmer of 40 acres" (according to 1881 census).
His father as far as I can ascertain was a labourer during his lifetime, so I wondered how William managed to get himself such a snazzy job?
Here's what I know about William :-
Born 21 Sep 1838, baptised 3 Aug 1845, in Cottingham, Northants (from transcribed parish records) I can't find him on FreeBMD.
Married Ellen PEACOCK 1859 Lincoln
I found him in the 1881 census as a farmer of 40 acres in Fiskerton, Lincolnshire
I also have a likely death for him from FreeBMD in 1915, Lincoln (which lists him as 77, which ties in perfectly with his DOB).
So what I would like help with, is how would he have been likely to get such a job as a farmer? His parents certainly had little money as far as I can see. Could it have something to do with his marriage? Would he have owned the land or rented it? Is there any way of finding this out?
I hope someone can point me in the right direction, many thanks ;D
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Hi Filiem,
Just to start the ball rolling for you, according to the 1861 census William was an Ag Lab in Fiskerton .. would you like this information .. ?
Added.. and in 1871 he was listed as a Carter .. !
Kind regards,
Pels.
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Hi,
I was also going to ask do you have him in earlier censuses.
1871 RG10; Piece: 3369; Folio: 73; Page: 17
he's a carter.
best wishes
heywood
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Hello there, and thanks Pels and Heywood for the information, I don't have full A***Y access at the moment (until payday ;D) so I didn't know that...
The Ag lab fits in with everything as that's what most of the family did back in Northants, (and I suppose a carter is the next step up?) I just found it odd how he ends up with a whole farm!
Thanks again, that's fantastic :)
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I'm now wondering what Ellen's parents did for a living, I see she born in Fiskerton .. ?
Do you have any of her details, or is it worth us having a look Filiem ?
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Here's 1871 - reference earlier
interesting perhaps.. address is Five Mile House (think that's similar to 1881) but there are a few households under this
Henry Peacock head married 67 yrs Wool dealer b Yorks Hull
Ellen Peacock wife 55 yrs wool dealer's wife Lincs Newbold
next household
William Inkle 32 yrs Carter Not known
Ellen 30 yrs Lincs Fiskerton
Rosa Ann 10 yrs
Emma 9 yrs
Henry 8 yrs
Joseph 7 yrs
Charles 4 yrs
Ellen Jane 6 months
all children born Fiskerton
It doesn't seem to be farming round about- there's a shepherd next household.
Just to say that the lady who had 'lots of money' according to family legend, had acquired it by nursing two elderly sisters who left her their home and bits and pieces.
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Hi again,
No, I haven't looked into the Peacock link yet, I am thinking of ordering the marriage certificate though, I am intrigued to find out where the farm came from! I haven't even looked up a possible birth for Ellen yet, shame on me ;) I looked at some historic maps of Fiskerton to try and work out where the farm might be, using the census info.
You are most welcome to look into it all if you wish, I am grateful for the help. I am very new to family history and I have become fascinated with it all :)
ADDED - yes, Five Mile House is the name of the railway station house in Fiskerton, I looked into that, so I am guessing the farm was nearby?)
Where did that blooming farm come from? Ellen's father was a wool dealer? Wow, thank you for this info, the mystery deepens!
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It seems that Five Mile House was railway related- there is a railway clerk living in the previous households.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/Fiskerton/
http://www.bench-marks.org.uk/bm499 have no idea what this means but think this is a photo ::)
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1891 RG12; Piece: 2589; Folio 60; Page 1
Farm House, Fiskerton (Five Mile House previous entry)
William Inckle 52 yrs Farmer b Northamptonshire
Ellen 50 yrs
Joseph 22 farmer's son
Jane Ellen 20
Mary Ann 19
Fannie 17
Caroline 15
John William 13
George 12
Rachall A 10
rest born Fiskerton
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Hello again heywood :)
Thank you very much for that photograph, the railway terminology is somewhat confusing, I agree!
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1901 RG13; Piece: 3059; Folio: 63; Page: 16
Short Ferry Road Fiskerton
William Inckle head 62 yrs Farmer b N K
Sarah wife 64 yrs Yorks Birdsall
Joseph 31 yrs Farm labourer
John W 23 yrs -do-
Rachel A 20 yrs
John W Hurton servant 16 yrs farm servant
others born Fiskerton
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A remarriage?
Could this be it?
Dec 1897 York 9d 16
INCKLE William
There's a
STORRY Sarah also listed :-\
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I only popped away for something to eat .. Heywood what a star, look at all that information .. ! :D
1861 census:
RG9/2357, Folio 78, Page 16
Lincolnshire, Fiskerton
William Inkle, h. mar, 22, Ag Lab, b. Northants, Cottingham
Ellen, wife, 20, Ag Labs wife, b. Lincs, Fiskerton
Rose Ann, dau, 11 mths, b. Fiskerton
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Here's Ellen in 1851 staying with her sister .. ! :)
1851 census:
HO107/2105, Folio 218, Page 34
Lincolnshire,St Mark
10, Smiths Row
John Green ,h. mar, 22, Journeyman Tobacconist, b. Derbyshire, Chesterfield
Charlotte, wife, 21, b. Lincs, Fiskerton
John H, son 3mths, b. Lincoln
Elen Peacock, Wifes sister, 10, visitor, b. Lincs, Fiskerton
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1841 census:
HO107/633/9, Folio 5, Page 4
Lincolnshire, Fiskerton
Five Mile House
Henry Peacock, 35
Ealoner, 25
Charlott, 11
Henry, 9
John, 7
Eleanor, 7 mths,
Henry senior is the only one not born in county .. and no occupation stated for him either ?
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:o Wow, I am amazed at all this information so quickly Pels and Heywood, thank you so much!
The Inkle/Inckle/Inchall etc etc etc family is where I get my surname from, albeit another different spelling of it :) Doing my research it seems most are ag labs (and then miners as the industrial revolution takes over), I was just confused to find a farmer amongst them all! I do have a sexton, but that's for a different thread ;D
Thanks again for all your hard work ;D
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Look at the surname of their "servant" .. ! :)
1861 census:
RG9/2357, Folio 71, Page 1
Lincolnshire, Fiskerton
Henry Peacock, h. mar, 57, Wood Dealer, b. Yorks, Hull
Ellen, wife, 48, b. Lincs Newball
Charles Inkle, serv, unm, 21, Carter, b. Northants, Cottingham
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I have a Charles George INKLE born in Cottingham, 1841 (again parish records).
William's younger brother (one of them, such large families!)
Great find thanks ;D
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This lot should give you something to go on .. Ellen and Charlotte's parents in 1851:
1851 census:
HO107/2105, Folio 98, Page 30
Lincolnshire, Fiskerton
Henry Peacock, h. mar, 48, Wood Dealer, Yorks, Hull
Ellen, wife, mar, 35, b. Lincs, Newball
John, son, unm, 17, Fathers Assistant, Lincs, Fiskerton
Mary Ann, dau, unm, 23, Dress Maker, b. Lincs, Fiskerton
Joseph Cutts, serv, unm, 20, General Servant, b. Lincs, Eagle
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Oops - I think I had Henry as a Wool dealer! Well there was a shepherd living nearby ;D
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Charles (William's son) is a labourer on the railway in 1901 - lots of children - wonder who got the farm eventually?
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Ellen was a widow in 1881 .. ! :-\
Death, Jun qtr, 1879
Henry Peacock, age 77
Lincoln, Vol, 7a, page 345
Oops - I think I had Henry as a Wool dealer! Well there was a shepherd living nearby ;D
I'd better go and double check .. ! ;D
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Wood...wool...all the same ;D
I wonder how the Lincs PEACOCKs and the Northants INKLEs met?
It seems stranger and stranger to me...a Wood Dealer? Would he own some land and sell the trees on?
Thanks again :)
ADDED - yes, I wonder where the farm went?
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In my experience the majority of people who farmed land in the 1800's didn't actually own the land or the house .. this was usually owned by an estate in the area.
We live in a rural area and most of the houses and all the nearby farms during that time, were owned by a member of the landed gentry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landed_gentry
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Thank you Pels for the Wiki link, very interesting...
Still that old family history problem, more questions than answers, I can see William renting out a farm but he would need some money behind him...I wonder where that came from?
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I've been trying to find the farm but no luck. Present day Fiskerton Fen is in the area of South Ferry Rd- seems to be the only site I can find mention of South rather than Ferry Rd so the land may not have been that brilliant for farming- have to confess I know nothing about the land though ::)
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Thank you again :)
We need a farming expert, methinks!
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We need a farming expert, methinks!
That counts me out ;D but i have been trawling through the directories over an hour,as is usual though at week ends.It is dead slow & stop,so i gave up.The 1885/89/68 Have William the same as the census. Farmer Fiskerton Lincoln,if he was a land/farm owner i was hoping he would be in the Gentry list as a farmer Esq.The posh list to me ;D but he isn't There is no mention of any farms even though there a hundreds of farmers.I think myself he may have been the farm manager and lived there,but didn't own it.
Celia
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Hi Celia, and thank you so much for looking into the trade directories for me, very kind.
So, it's looking like William became a farmer between 1871 and 1881, and quite probably rented the land rather than owned it.
Looking at an 1891 map of Fiskerton on www.old-maps.co.uk I can see a farm house right next to Five Mile House. Maybe this was it? I'll have a check on a modern map and see what is there now, if anything.
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Filiem,
well done! I tried that but couldn't see it - obviously looking in wrong place. ::)
heywood
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Five Mile House is south-east of the main village, and very slightly east of that is a building that could very well be a farm house :)
Had a look on Google Earth and the farmhouse has now been demolished unfortunately, although you can still make out where it used to be.
I think Five Mile House is still there, as far as I can make out anyway.
What is quite interesting is that all the field boundaries are exactly the same as they were over 100 years ago.
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Going back to your first post Filiem .. have you you found William in 1911 .. ?
The only reason I ask, if he died in 1915, aged 77 .. he obviously wouldn't have been a young man at the time of the census .. I wondered if he was still living on the farm or whether one of his sons might have taken it over .. ?
Joseph looks the most likely contender according to the returns Heywood posted ??
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Just checked on the 1911 search, it appears William and Sarah were possibly together, but when Joseph's name was added there weren't any results .. ?
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Did you have the marriage?
Marriage at Fiskerton 1 Sept 1859
William HINKLE (son of Joseph) to Ellen PEACOCK (dau of Henry)
From "Lincoln Rural spreadsheet" here http://s10.freefronthost.com/mi/index.html
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Joseph Inckle is confusing me somewhat...his age must be wrong in the 1871 census?
He is shown as 7 in 1871
But 22 in 1891 and 31 in 1901 (as a farm labourer still).
I am struggling to find his birth however >:(
Probable death:
Mar 1931
Inckle Joseph 62 Lincoln 7a 653
Thank you Geoff for that marriage information, I had it from from freeBMD only, that is brilliant, cheers!
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Maybe got nothing to do with anything ;D
but on Genes Reunited , a bloke called David,
has a William Inckle , born Fiskerton, 1839.
so the name was a Fiskerton even then.
Eilleen.
p.s He's got quite a few Inckle at Fiskerton.
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Born 21 Sep 1838, baptised 3 Aug 1845, in Cottingham, Northants (from transcribed parish records) I can't find him on FreeBMD.
but on Genes Reunited , a bloke called David,
has a William Inckle , born Friskerton, 1839.
so the name was a Friskerton even then.
It makes me wonder whether he's got that one right Eilleen .. ? :D
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Pels, Hi :)
Being one who seems to get "messing things up " down to an art,
I will be sympathetic towards him , if he has put up wrong information.
;)
Eilleen.
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Joseph Inckle is confusing me somewhat...his age must be wrong in the 1871 census?
He is shown as 7 in 1871
But 22 in 1891 and 31 in 1901 (as a farm labourer still).
I am struggling to find his birth however >:(
Probable death:
Mar 1931
Inckle Joseph 62 Lincoln 7a 653
Thank you Geoff for that marriage information, I had it from from freeBMD only, that is brilliant, cheers!
My goodness- who said he was 7 in 1871... oh dear it was me :'( :'( :'(
In my defence- on the census he is between Henry 8 yrs and Charles 4 yrs and it does look like 7 but he has been transcribed as 2 yrs which is a miracle that they could do that when you think of the mistakes made so often in transcription. It does say born c 1869 and that would fit with other censuses.
1881 - 12 yrs - between Jane Ellen and Charles.
Re birth - ???
Henry 1863
Charles 1866
Jane Ellen 1870
but no Joseph :-\
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Maybe got nothing to do with anything ;D
but on Genes Reunited , a bloke called David,
has a William Inckle , born Fiskerton, 1839.
so the name was a Fiskerton even then.
Eilleen.
p.s He's got quite a few Inckle at Fiskerton.
I see there was a family of INGALLs in Fiskerton in 1841 (and 1851) but they were all born locally.
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Have we got this? Transcribed as 'Tukes' - Is it them?
1851 HO107; Piece: 1744; Folio: 565; Page: 13
Day Lane Cottingham
Joseph Inkle 35 yrs labourer b Northamton Cottingham
Jane 35 yrs b Lincs Gedney (transcribed as Geding)
William 13 yrs farm labourer b -do-
Charles 10 -do- b Yorks Gluterfield ???
Eliza 8 lace maker b Northamptonshire Cottingham
Philip 5 b Northamptonshire Cottingham
Sarah 1 b -do-
Gedney is in Holbeach district and there is a birth for William Inkly September quarter 1838.
I haven't checked it further.
forgot to say that the entry has been altered to Inkle by a contributor -'traced and confirmed through other records' February '09
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The marriage for that couple would probably be-
12 Oct 1837 at Fleet
Joseph INKLEY (son of John) to Jane SAMPSON (dau of JOhn)
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To fit in with the 1851 that Heywood found .. indexed as Tuckley.
1841 census:
HO107/797/6, Folio 7, Page 10
Northamptonshire, Cottingham
Joseph Inkley, 25, Ag Lab
Jane, 25
William, 3
Charles, 5mths
Only Joseph born in County and indexed as Tuckley.
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On the facing page, there is this one which is a worth a mention .. ! :)
John Inkley, 45, Ag Lab
Ann, 45
Elizabeth, 20
Sarah, 15
Ann, 14
Alice, 11
Mary, 9
Jane, 6
John, 4
Only the top four are born in county, John, Ann, Elizabeth and Sarah.
And as I type it .. this family are next to Joseph on the form, I didn't realise there were so many of them .. !
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Ooh my word! I have been out today doing family stuff (as easter calls for with a young daughter) and I come back to find all this info, thank you all so much! :-*
Yes, the Tukes name keeps coming up on A****Y as a "hot match" but never been able to make sense of it yet, some dates seem wrong.
Yes, the family are definutely from Northants, the Lincolnshire connection only seems to come from the marriage of William and Ellen.
How can you get Tuckley/Tukes from Inkle? The mind boggles?!
Thanks again everyone x
Em
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If Joseph and Jane are William's parents - she is the Lincolnshire connection and they must have been living in Gedney for William's birth. They then must move back to Cottingham.
I think the Tukes in 1851 arises from the bad handwriting but as I said it has been corrected.
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Geoff will perhaps have this but Family Search has a baptism for Jane Sampson - Gedney 1816 parents John and Mary.
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Pels, that family you menton in your last post...
John is my GGGGG Grandfather ;D I had his birth from parish records but can't find the marriage to Ann, so don't know her maiden name unfortunately.
Born in Gretton, Northants (next parish along from Cottingham)
The Joseph Inkle - Jane Sampson marriage I haven't looked into before, thank you for this
Em
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What a coincidence that was Em .. I'm quite chuffed now .. ! :D
How can you get Tuckley/Tukes from Inkle? The mind boggles?!
;D ;D ;D
(http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/3177/inkley.jpg)
I'll leave that for to decide once you've seen this .. we know it says Inckley, but if I hadn't been looking. I could have made the same mistake ??
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;D ;D ;D
It's those posh "I"s
;D ;D ;D
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I'll leave that for to decide once you've seen this .. we know it says Inkley, but if I hadn't been looking. I could have made the same mistake ??
That's just what I thought.
The only marriage I can find was a few miles away - at Pinchbeck, 17 May 1813, John SAMSON to Mary Ann CARTER ... perhaps a first child at Whaplode in 1814, then several at Gedney. All of the Gedney baps give mother as just "Mary" but one of daughters there was called "Mary Ann".
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I'm off out again for the evening (busy social life for a change), I'll be back in the morning. Thank you again for all your time and attention,
Em
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This might be a very daft statement .. but I'll run it through everyone else, nothing lost, nothing gained.
William INCKLE (a brother of my GGG Grandfather).
I hadn't noticed before, but the John who was living next door to Joseph in 1841 was aged 45, Joseph according to the census was only 25 .. ?
It would't be possible that Joseph was living next door to his parents would it .. I assumed it would be his brother and now I'm confusing myself !!
Taking into account the rounding down of the ages in 1841 ?
Have a lovely evening Em .. ! :)
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It would't be possible that Joseph was living next door to his parents would it .. I assumed it would be his brother and now I'm confusing myself !!
Yes it was his father. Try FreeREG http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/Search.pl
Search for INKLE (with soundex) in Cottingham, Northants
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Geoff .. thankyou .. !!
John is my GGGGG Grandfather ;D I had his birth from parish records but can't find the marriage to Ann, so don't know her maiden name unfortunately.
And .. I'm assuming that was what Em was referring to .. I completely lost it for a minute there and I couldn't work it out at all .. ! :)
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1861 census:
RG9/958, Folio 38, Page 29
Northamptonshire, Cottingham
Dag Lane
John Inckle, h. wdr, 68, Ag. Lab, b. Northampton, Gretton
Elizabeth, dau, unm, 40, b. Cottingham
John, grandson, 6, Scholar, b. Kettering
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And finally, just in case you don't have it :
1851 census:
HO107/1744, Folio 565 Page: 12
Northamptonshire, Cottingham
Dag Lane
John Inkle, h. mar, 56, Labourer, b. Gretton
Ann, wife, 58, b. Welford
Eliza, dau, 30, Lace Maker
Alice, dau, 20, Lace Maker
Mary, dau, 19, Lace Maker
Jane, dau, 15, Lace Maker
John, son, 14
All children born in Cottingham and indexed as Tukes.
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Thank you again for all this new information, you are very kind ;D
Wow, need to sort though it all now, and so many new leads and places to look, I'm not sure where to go next!
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Filiem.
I drove past the place where they lived yesterday,
and guess what, I forgot to take my camera ::) ::)
I did notice what looked like a fantastic old barn, on the site,
and chaps mulling about,
I am going out that way again soon, :)
this time with my camera.
so watch this space ;)
Eilleen.
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Hi Eileen!
Well, please don't go out of your way, but photos would be great if you ever pass by that way again, thank you :)
I'm still no closer to finding out what happened to the farm, as far as I can see I don't think any of the children ended up with it, so far as I have researched the sons either ended up working on the railways or moved to towns and became miners :-\ Still a lot more work to do however.
Looking on Google Earth the area looks so beautiful and tranquil, a million miles away from the industry most of my other ancestors were living in the late 1800s ;D.
Thanks again,
Em
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Hi Filiem.
set off for a nice stroll round Fiskerton grave yard, and to have a nosey at five mile house,
desided to go through Lincoln , BIG MISTAKE ::) one bus broken down and a car on opposite side off the road, at railway crossing, what should have been a nice sunny drive of 20 mins, took 1hr 15 mins :) :)
folks were not at home at Five Mile house, so took photo's with care ;)
will go back to see them though, because the place looks interesting .
send me your e.mail through personal message and I will send what I got ,4 graves from the church yard and some of the house and barn.
Eilleen
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How good is that .. not the awful journey, but the fact you did it Eilleen.. ! :) :)
Speaking as someone who's also been the recipient of other RootsChatter's kindness .. receiving pictures etc., it means an awful lot when people go out of their way especially for you .. ! :D
Added .. Would it be possible for you to also post the gravestones on here .. ?
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Hi Pels :)
I must admit , I do love snooping ;D but it all seems OK in the name of genealogy :)
The church yard at Fiskerton is very small and pretty,
it's very hard not to just think, lets have pictures of the lot ;D
but Peacock family seem to have been in the villiage going quite far back ,
one headstone says
Ann Peacock , wife of Henry Peacock, departed July 22nd 1838, aged 30 yrs.
another has a Henry Peacock died 1879, aged 77yrs, and it looks like, step son of Mary and William Brumpton ,
I think this William Peacock might be the one on 1861 census , the wool dealer from Hull, Yorks,
Eilleen.
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Pels, just saw your added bit , I tryed posting them but it will not have them,
I think it's because it's a look up board ???
Eilleen.
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What a shame, I hadn't given that a thought .. ? :(
Have you ever used Imageshack instead of the Attach a Photograph option, I'll PM you .. ! :)
http://imageshack.us/?no_multi=1
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Thanks Pels,
I will be back shortly, got to go few a bit ;D
Eilleen
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Hello again all.
Eilleen, I can't believe your kindness and going to all that trouble for me, I am incredibly overwhelmed, thank you so so so much :) :) I don't know what to say.
I will PM you my email address now.
About posting photos on this board, I have a Photobucket account so when Eileen sends me the photographs I could try posting them using that? Not sure what this board allows though.
Wow, I'm so excited, thank you again ;D ;D ;D
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You can post links to pictures but not add attachments. Here's an example
(http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;id=133788;type=avatar)
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http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4374/incklegrave1.jpg
If this one works I will do the others ;D ;D
Eilleen
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http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4940/inckle2.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9110/peacock2.jpg
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9247/peacockgrave2.jpg
if these work. I'm a star, :)
and Pels made me one :) :)
Eilleen
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This one is from the church yard, the first house is where William Inckle lived with his family in 1871, when Henry Peacock and his family were living next door at Five mile house,
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/37/fiskertonroad.jpg.
front of Five mile house.
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8557/dsc09724.jpg
Filiem the last two I'm going to e.mail you with, because they kept doubling up :-[ :-[
I maybe just got click happy :)
Eilleen.
this is fun , Thankyou Pels :) :) :) :)
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I enjoyed looking at them .. brilliant pictures .. !! :) :)
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That was fun,
and for those who think I have gone of my usual line, i.e pubs ;D ;D
at one time not to long ago , Five mile house was a pub ;D
What's next ???
Eilleen.
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They are fantastic pictures Eilleen, thank you. I'm surprised how well preserved the gravestones are, really an absolutely great find :) Ellen's especially is lovely, if that's the right word for a gravestone?
It made me quite sad looking at it though, as I'm new to FH it sometimes seems like these people are just dates and place and with the memorial mentioning her as a "kind wife and mother" it hits home. I suppose like many family historians I want to find out as much as possible about the people before me.
Thanks again, I'll go before I get too emotional :)
Em
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Filiem,
Like you say, it's when they become something more than names and dates on paper,
When I walking to the barn and house from the graves ,
I was acutely aware ,that I was most properly walking where your ancestors had trod.
and as the wind blew warm about me, I felt privileged to be there.
so in a funny sort of way, thankyou for sending me :-*
Eilleen,
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not too long ago , Five Mile House was a pub ;D
It was also a railway station, named no doubt after the pub. :)
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Sorry to rattle on about the Peacocks, but I cannot get them of my mind.
I think ??? and I have been known to be wrong ;D
Henry Peacock born 1802 , York, Hull. wool dealer,
married Ann Yates born 27th Nov 1808 Fiskerton. they married 28th Aug 1827 in Fiskerton.
they had children Charlotte, Henry, and John .
she Ann died on July 22nd 1838, ( her grave in church yard pic )
Henry then married Ellen , from Newball, Lincolnshire , but I don't know when ?
on 1841 census , she is called Ealoner not Ellen,
their daughter of 4 mths is called Eleanor, but in Dec qrt 1840 ,Lincoln births she is Ellen.
does this seem right, or do I need to find a hobbie :-[
Eilleen
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Geoff, good evening :)
I did google earth,
and I cannot see the marks on the land were the railway would have gone,
help me out here :)
Eilleen.
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Henry then married Ellen , from Newball, Lincolnshire , but I don't know when ?
23 Jan 1840 at Fiskerton
Henry PEACOCK (son of Henry) to Eleanor BROWN (dau of George)
Here's a map http://tinyurl.com/ca2762
I'm assuming Five Mile House was/is where it says Ferry Road. If you go down the lane to the south, there is the Witham and a drain running parallel. The railway was on the narrow strip of land between them. You can follow it all the way back to Lincoln, behind Titanic Works and on to the junction with the old Grantham line near Great Northern Terrace. To the east, you can follow it to Bardney and on to Kirkstead where on Sundays there would be a trainload of Sheffielders come for a fishing match. Or did I imagine that? ::)
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http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9959/withfisk.jpg
this is supose to be Five mile house, old railway station, Fiskerton, near river ?
I will go read your's now Geoff,
I was half way through playing with the new toy that Pels gave me :)
Eilleen
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I was half way through playing with the new toy that Pels gave me
The mind boggles ... does it use batteries? ;)
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Pels :o :o :o :o :o :o
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(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9959/withfisk.jpg)
It looks as if the station was boarded up at that time.
If you want to put photo's in posts, click on "quote" to see how I did it.
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Thanks Geoff , I'm learning lots :)
After much thought and deliberation :P
Fiskerton is a wee bit annoying because it likes to call it's buildings Five mile house.
the railway one, is not connected to the Peacock or Inkle family.
the other one, a few doors up from the church is connected to them ;D
unless someone wants to shoot me down in flames 8)
Eilleen.
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I don't know Fiskerton at all. Twenty years ago we had been to the coast and were after something to eat. We drove around for ages and couldn't find anywhere open - I think 5MH was one of the places. We finished up going to chippy at Rookery Lane/Newark Road.
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Good choice, that chippy :)
I see on the 1881 census, a year or so after Henry Peacock died,
that his widow Ellen 63 yrs from Newbold, Lincolnshire.
has with her
her sister Maria Hurton ( nee Yates) married ,aged 64, Fiskerton
William Perrin Hurton , aged 35, a widow, Friskerton, a pedler. ( son of Maria )
Thomas Hurton aged 6, Fiskerton ( William's son)
Eilleen.
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Good choice, that chippy :)
I see on the 1881 census, a year or so after Henry Peacock died,
that his widow Ellen 63 yrs from Newbold, Lincolnshire.
has with her ...
I know that's what it says on LDS but Ellen is alone in her house - the others were next door. Where did you get "Perrin" from?
If the neighbours were relevant, it should be noted that William HURTON had Loss of leg
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It was me doing detective work :) no one takes my detective work seriously ;D
Maria Yates married Perrin Hurton in 1845.
and although I cannot find birth of William Perrin Horton
he did marry in Lincoln 1884, this I believe was his second marriage.
he died , Lincoln 1927, aged 79 yrs . ( birth abt 1847 )
also his dad Perrin Hurton , died . Lincoln qrt 1902, aged 86 yrs ( born abt 1816)
when you say , Ellen was on her own , and the others were next door, how do you know that ?
naturally I only looked at LDS census. :)
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Hello again everyone, I'm back ;D
Look at all this new information! Thank you.
Forgive me, I'm still confused as to which Five Mile House is the correct one...on the 1881 census the farm is listed between Five Mile House (home of Thomas DISMOOR - station master) and Longwood? Lane...so surely it isn't the house in the village itself? Or am I completely wrong?
I'll have a look at the description of the enumeration district now, I'm confusing myself!
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The description was no help ::)
BUT look at the Inckle farm in 1901...
there is a John W HURTON aged 16 listed as a servant !
ADDED - and the farm is listed as on Short Ferry Road ?
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Hi Filiem.
I usually mess up first, ???
and with other peoples help and understanding get there .
I took the 1881 census and kept hitting next household button, this led to the rectory being a few doors up , I think, ??? I best go check again,
it might have been one of the other census that I did that, it was late last night :D
also messed up family conection, Ellen Peacock the second wife was nee Brown not Yates .
first wife was Ann Yates , so the sister of Maria Hurton.
see what I mean about my detective work.
right .......back to Five mile house. :D
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when you say , Ellen was on her own , and the others were next door, how do you know that ?
They were on different "Schedule numbers" (different census forms) and there was an "end of household" symbol after Ellen.
The IGI has a baptism for William Perrin HURTON 9 Nov 1846, son of Perrin and Maria. He doesn't seem to be on FreeBMD though.
5 June 1845 at Fiskerton
Perrin HURTON (son of William) to Maria YATES (dau of Richard)
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So Geoff, does this mean , I'm getting somewhere near correct :)
or have I once again lost the plot ;D
I know they are all related, I feel it in my bones , :)
just needs someone to sort them out, and put them in order ::)
all this is because of not finding my great Annie Moore, :) ;)
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So Geoff, does this mean , I'm getting somewhere near correct :)
You're doing fine, honest! I will leave you to it. You know any mention of Annie MOORE is guaranteed to make me run away.
Whatever it was that Pels gave you has done you the world of good ;)
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Thats it Filiem ,
Its just you and me, :) I hope thats just a joke.
1891 I see
Villiage , Fiskerton .
the guy with the one leg, William P Hurton aged 44, Hawker . and his family
living next door to Charles and Sarah Inckle ( grave pic )
have you got that census.
Eilleen.
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Hello again Eilleen,
Oooh no, I didn't have that census, thanks. I shall go and take a look at it now.
Hope we haven't scared Geoff away ;)
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Geoff, scared ::) would'nt think so.
more likely gone to get a detailed map of old Fiskerton ,
Well, we can but hope ;D
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I've just found a Perrin HURTON at the Lincoln Union Workhouse in 1901 census.
His age is given as 72 though, when it should be more like 85 :-\
It is an unusual name, I wonder if it is him? Listed as a widower and a retired general labourer :-\
Still trying to track him on other censuses, I have him on 1861 and 1871 at home in Fiskerton.
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The only deaths mention on Freebmd.
Lincoln reg, 1902 , Perrin Hurton, aged 86 yrs ( born 1816)
Lincoln reg, 1926, William P Hurton, aged 79yrs ( born 1847 )
then
Perrin Hurton, Manchester reg, 1935, aged 68 yrs ( birth 1867 )
his birth was reg Lincoln , Sept 1868.
I'm sure they are all the same family. :)
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1891 census
address 2 Francis st , Lincoln.
John Kew , head 45, labour in foundry, from Reepham, lincs
Maria Kew , wife 35, Fiskerton
Perrin Hurton Fathering law. widow, 73, Fiskerton, living on own means.
marriage , Lincoln 1877, John Kew to Maria Hurton.
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Was Five Mile House only the station?
1851 5 Mile Station, William GILLETT Railway Lab
1861 (not named) William GILLIATT Platelayer
1871 Five Mile House, George PRENTICE Railway Clerk
1881 Five Mile, Thomas DISMORE Station Master
1891 Five Mile House, Thomas DISMORE Station Master
and - nine pages away - Five Mile House Inn, William GOULDING Inn Keeper
1901 Five Mile House Station, William HYDE Station Master
and - ten pages away - Five Mile House Inn, Bertrand R GIBSON
Now the inn was in the village http://tinyurl.com/dm3fgz and the station wasn't. The INCKLEs lived near the station didn't they?
If you happen to see "Wad Houses" in any of the censuses, they were sited at the south end of Hall Lane where there is now a "fan" of new houses. It may help with navigation to know this (and the Hall has the neat-looking garden on the right hand side of Hall Lane).
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For the record, Five Mile House station closed 15 Sept 1958 but "trains for anglers continued to call on summer Saturdays and Sundays until 6 Sept 1964" just in case you needed to know. :)
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Geoff, :)
Well done,
so , basically, I took the pictures of the wrong family home, ::) ::)
can't remember now what the Peacock's had to do with it, ???
ah yes, wool merchant or something similar.
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There also a Five mile house farm ????
down by the river.
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Geoff,
I think some of the Five mile places you wrote
or though they say Fiskerton,
they mean the one in Nottinghamshire , not Lincolnshire
I'm not sure though ???
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Geoff sorry, got that wrong ??? ??? ??? ???
time for a rest ::) ::)
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It's probably worth having a look here http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm
Search Fiskerton
then select Fiskerton, Lincs from "drop-down" which appears
Then click on the red "C" above the zoom bar - this loads a 1940s map and you can see how much Fiskerton has grown. You can also see where the station was.
If you click on the "25k" symbol, then click a spot on the map you will then be given a larger scale modern map of the place you clicked on.
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Geoff,
Thats really good ;)
Thankyou.
Eilleen.
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Hi there!
Your are going to think this a bit bizarre, but I have have recently been to a history club in my village and decided to research a family from the graveyard (which I live next door to!). I have just been over to choose a person and guess what, the person is Ellen Inckle, who I believe was married to your William!!
I came back to start some research and came up with your thread on this site. I was expecting to have some difficulty in finding information, so couldn't believe it when I started reading your threads (I have only got through a few, but couldn't resist contacting!
I hope you don't mind me using your ancestor as a topic for the next meeting, it's not for a few months. Hopefully I may come up with some more info for you?
I have only recently moved to the village, so can't offer any immediate information.
Kind regards
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Hi brasilmum - welcome to RootsChat :)
Good luck!
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I'd like to add to Geoff's welcome brasilmum, hello from me too ! :) :)
Filiem hasn't logged on since March, hopefully she'll recieve a notification to your message.
Best wishes,
Pels.
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brasilmum
A big Hi from me too :) :)
enjoy your research :)
you will get hooked, if you are not all ready ;D
Eilleen
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Thanks very much for the warm welcome!
I'm not sure where you all live, but if I can be of any help to those who want info from Lincoln, just let me know.
Regards
Sian
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I have been reading this thread with interest as my parents ran a farm from 1956 to 1983 called Five Mile House Farm. In the 50's and early 60's there was a busy railway station due to Five Mile House being a fishing destination for the industrial region to the north (Sheffield and Doncaster) but Lord Beeching and the affluence of the motor car age caused the railway station to be demolished. The farm just south of the River Witham met with a similar fate partly as a result of the EU butter mountain in the 80's, there are no buildings there for over 3 decades so sadly no evidence of where William INCKLE may have lived. "Lincs to the Past" have several old photos and maps which may be interesting.....The River Witham remains similar to when I last visited (no fish!) and there is mention of a Witham Shield being found in the 19th century (now in the British Museum).
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Welcome to Rootschat.
I read all the Lincolnshire post as I have so many lines there, sometimes I find a connection with someone !
Unfortunately it seems that Filiem has not been active on RC since 2010.