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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Donegal => Topic started by: angelaML6 on Sunday 12 April 09 01:08 BST (UK)
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Trying to find gggrandfather and mother Francis Devine who married Margaret Bonar 15 May 1859 at Lifford Co Donegal trying to ind out where they came from.
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You dont say if you have their marriage certificate/details yet.
If not, then that should be your first action, as without fathers details and residences at the time of their marriage, it will be difficult to be sure any record that is found is actually your ancestors.
Certificates can be obtained from : http://www.groireland.ie/
OTTO
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You dont say if you have their marriage certificate/details yet.
If not, then that should be your first action, as without fathers details and residences at the time of their marriage, it will be difficult to be sure any record that is found is actually your ancestors.
Certificates can be obtained from : http://www.groireland.ie/
OTTO
However, if they married in a Catholic ceremony there will be no marriage certificate as registration of Catholic marriages in Ireland began in 1864 (other marriages had begun registration in 1845).
Index to Irish civil registrations is online on LDS Pilot site. Check for bride and then groom and cross reference details for same registration district, year, volume and page number.
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347
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Thank you, I don't have marriage certificate I got the details from their daughter's birth certificate. They must have left Ireland and came to Scotland sometimes in the 1860s. I will follow the link and see if I can come up with anything
cheers
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This Donegal Resources website (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/) is the best one that I have found with a decent amount of information on Donegal
You may need to look in Strabane as well (its in present day Northern Ireland) as prior to independence there was no border.
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Thank you, I don't have marriage certificate I got the details from their daughter's birth certificate. They must have left Ireland and came to Scotland sometimes in the 1860s. I will follow the link and see if I can come up with anything
cheers
First thing to establish is whether or not the marriage is listed in civil index (link given earlier). If so, you can order the marriage certificate which will list details like date and place of marriage, residence of bride and groom, occupations, their fathers' names and occupations, whether or not of full age and names of two witnesses.
If the marriage took place in a Catholic church before 1864 tehn there will be no certificate and you will need to search for the church record (if it exists). The details in church records vary greatly so it's hard to know what information might be listed.
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Thank you
They were catholic, so no certificate registered. Also no match on LDS.
I will try the other link.
cheers
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While they may have both been Catholic it is worth checking civil index in case they got married in Registry Office (more common than many people realise).
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okay will do that and let you know
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Hi Angela,
Have you tried AskaboutIreland griffiths valuation, go to places search or people search and put in the imformation you have and names and places should come up.
Jane
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Have you tried AskaboutIreland griffiths valuation, go to places search or people search and put in the imformation you have and names and places should come up.
There are no listings in Griffith's Valuation for Francis Devine in Co. Donegal (and only 12 Devines listed under Co. Donegal) and there are several possible reasons for this. Griffith's is not a census it is a valuation record and only lists head of household. If Francis was living with father, inlaws, etc. then his name won't appear.
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The 12 Devines listed in Griffiths are all living within a few miles of the place where the marriage took place.
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Yes, and it's quite possible that they might have been related but still doesn't prove a link to Francis Devine.
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Lifford is in Clonleigh Parish
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bhilchey/MClonleigh.html
The records of Clonleigh R.C. parish (which includes the town of Lifford) cover baptisms 1773-1795, Jan. 1836-May 1837 and 1853 forward, and marriages from 1778 (with enormous gaps).
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Hi
Thank you for all you replies.
You have been really helpful.
I think Frank was most definately a son. Frank's first born was Hugh my great grandfather and his siblings James, John and Mary ~ There is one strange thing. Margaret and all the family have a middle name "Aluna"? baffled.
I will keep going
Cheers
Angela
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Hi Angela,
I put the famiy name Devine in Askaboutirleland and Hugh Devine came up,
He came from Raphoe North, Parish Cloneigh, Townland Aathphee, now that you have the townland things should fall into place
regards Jane ;)
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Thanks Jane
Will check Aathphee out.
Regards Angela
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I did annother search for you and the following came up
Devine Hugh Aghawee Clonleigh Donegal
Devine James Drumara Clonleigh Donegal
Devine Margaret Cloghfin Clonleigh Donegal
I think these people are related as they have the same christian names as the ones you mentioned and the irish naming pattern is they usually call their first sons after their father so Francis's father is most probable Hugh as he called his
son Hugh and annother family name you mentioned was James and Margaret
Good Luck on Your search
Kind regards Jane ;) ;) ;)
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Thanks again Jane
I also got the Aghawee connection yesterday with your help.
I noticed you have Craigneuk, Wishaw and Motherwell areas ~ My Devines settled in Cleland.
Will keep following up these leads.
Regards
Angela
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Hi Angela,
I am originally from Newarthill the next village to Cleland so my family will probably no of yours and I have a few friends that live in Cleland so keep in touch,
Do you still have family in Cleland?
PS what year did your family come to Cleland?
regards Jane
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Hi Jane
I have only one cousin living in Cleland. Most of the family moved to Shotts and Newmains areas.
I will let you know of any progress.
Did you manage to trace your family back to Ireland?
Regards
Angela
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/MolloysMeenavally.htm
Yes Angela I did I only knew they came from Ardara, I didn't know anything about townlands or any thing but with a little help from others and a lot of time researching you can now see if you click on the above link what I have found. Please tell me what you think
Kind regards Jane ;)
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Hi Jane
I have just looked at your site it is really great. Love the photos and videos, you really have been busy.
The Devines were first recorded in Cleland in the 1891 census. This was my great grandfather Hugh Devine who was married to a Jane Gemmell. My great grandfather died in Cleland in 1936.
Will be working on the Donegal side at the week-end. I will let you know how I get on.
Regards
Angela
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Thanks Angela,
For your nice comments glad you liked my page. You never know that might be you next year!!!!
kind regards Jane
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Hi Jane
Just noticed an unread message that you are from Chapelhall, I live in Calderbank.
I am getting more information on the Devines, slowly.
Regards
Angela
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I knew you lived near by when I saw your postcode,
How are you getting on with your research and are you enjoying our weather its great to see the children out playing having fun with waterguns and waterballoons the only thing is they keep comming into my garden filling them up
with my outside tap lol. Imagine we are only about 2 miles apart and here we are chatting on the donegal website ah you know what they say ye canne keep us Donegal women apart ............ ;) ;) ;)
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I'm trying to trace back my Ggggrandmother back to Donegal with no LUCK
Her name is Marjory Devine and she married Bernard Doherty 1844 Ireland .I have her in 1850 lodging in Glasgow with Edward Devine and his Family
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Bernard and Marjory had a son John 1855. If you do a parent search on IGI, more children appear. The 1855 cert. should tell where both parents were born, hopefully not just Ireland.
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Hi Tootsie
It tells me Bernard came from Donegal on Johns birth cert and Marjory from Ireland. Marjorys father was Charles Devine (farmer)
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Have you followed Edward Devine on census, perhaps even death cert? Census might give a more detailed place of birth(or his wife and children) . The death cert. may give his wife's surname therefore another name to work with.
Have you looked at Ann 1861 birth for place of parents marriage?