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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: BrnCam on Sunday 12 April 09 22:07 BST (UK)
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Hello all,
I'm trying to find out more about a my Great grandmothers brother called Joseph Baird who was born in Downhill, Co. Londonderry on 9th September 1883. He married a Christina in Kirkcaldy in 1910 and had two children, Joseph and Jane.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Brian
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this marriage is on SP:
1911 kirkcaldy joseph baird = Christina Thoms Dewar
I do not have further credits to see full cert but you can buy some yourself and see full details.
Diddy
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Thanks Diddy I'll take a look.
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Hi Brian
Joseph Baird was born 23 Jun 1883 Camlachie,Glasgow,Scotland he married my Christina Thomson Dewar b 10 Jan 1886 Abbotshall,Fife,Scotland on 30 Dec 1910 Kirkcaldy, Fife Scotland and they had 2 children
Joseph Baird & Jane Crichton Baird
regards
Sid Smith
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Hello Sid,
Are you sure about the details of Joseph. The reason I ask is that the Joseph I'm trying to trace comes from Northern Ireland. He was born not far from me at a place called Downhill on the 9th September 1883. He married a Christina Dewar in Kirkcaldy and had two children Joseph and Jane. I think his son Joseph might have been killed during WWII.
I only came across Joseph recently and the Kirkcaldy connection would be uncanny since I have relatives living there now.
Regards,
Brian
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Hi Brian
Joseph Baird Died 21 Sept 1934 Kirkcaldy age 51 Parents Joseph Baird & Elizabeth McKean according to Death Cert. They married 1911 not 1910
regards
Sid
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Hello Sid,
The Joseph I'm trying to trace was born on the 9th September 1883 to a Joseph Baird & Eliza McCarron of Downhill Co. Londonderry. He joined the army in 1902 and from his service record I see he enlisted to the Royal Dublin Fusiliers in Glasgow that year. His age is given as 19 and his next of kin was his father Joseph of Downhill. His marriage details on his service record say he was married to a Christina Thompson (I think thats what it says) Dewar at Kirkcaldy 13/10/10. There is an address that looks like 23 Mid St. He has a son called Joseph born on the 17/9/12 Kirkcaldy and a daughter Jane born 28/10/13. They were both baptised by the Rev. D L Francis Raith Parish Church.
There are a lot of similarities between the family you decribe in your first post and the one I'm trying to trace. Do you think we could still be talking about the same family?
Regards,
Brian
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Hi Brian
Well I have checked the marriage cert and the mothers name is Elizabeth McCann but could well be McCarron and other details you have mentioned are correct so looks like I have gone down the wrong path re bith dates and parents etc.
Their son Joseph married Mary Moffat b? on 2nd April 1933 & had 2 children they might be living so cant put them on here.
Joseph died 23 Dec 1940 At Sea, Great Yarmouth
Surname BAIRD First name Joseph Service number LT/KX110670 Date of death 23/12/1940 Decoration Place of birth Kirkcaldy Other SNWM roll ROYAL NAVY AND ROYAL MARINES Rank Sto 2 Theatre of death R.N.P.S. H.M.S. Pelton. At Sea. Great Yarmouth
HMT Pelton (Skipper John Alexander Sutherland, DSC, RNR) was torpedoed and sunk by the German motor torpedo boat S-28 off Great Yarmouth on 24 December 1940.
Jane Crichton Baird married William James Wells and had 3 children
you can PM me for details etc as i cant put living people on here
regards
Sid
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I have direct contact with this family as my sister married Jane son. Her brother Joseph was killed in WW2 on the HMT Pelton
Janice
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If you can send me you e-mail address I will be pleased to send you photos of the family and certificates. Also let you know about the family my sister was married to Jane Baird son William
James Wells he died very suddenly in Sept 1980 aged 40yrs and his younger sister died aged 32years in Jan 1981 however there are grandchildren .
Janice
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You must have three posts before we can use PM and exchange emails.
Christina Thomson DEWAR is my Grand Aunt.
My Grandmother was Charlotte Crichton DEWAR born 1881 Kinghorn
I have the Dewar's back to Abt 1780
I have details of Christina's 3 children and who they married and also their children
regards
Sid
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Hello to all the Baird & families etc. I have some details of my Mother’s side of the family. Mum’s name was Jane Crichton Baird she was born in Kirkcaldy on 20th March 1936. She also had a brother Alexander Joseph Dewar Baird who was also born in Kirkcaldy on 5th March 1934.By reading this forum it could be possible that Joseph Baird who died in December 1940 could be their father. All my mum told me as I was growing up was that he died whilst on a minesweeper during war. Any further info would be brilliant.
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Thank you very much for info Brian. I have never tried any sort of research into my Mum’s family(Baird). It was lovely to come across this forum last night. Many thanks for your reply,I am very grateful to you.I can also remember relations coming to our house who lived in Dunfermline.From what my Mum told me she & her brother were put in an orphanage at a young age. I hope this is of help to you or anybody interested.
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Hi Redman ..
Here are my notes for Joseph Baird who was my 1st cousin.. hope this helps..
Joseph Baird was born 17Sep1912 4h pm at 23 Nicol St Kirkcaldy
Source:- 1912 Births Kirkcaldy Page 150 N0 440
BAIRD . Joseph Service number LT/KX110670 Date of death 24/12/1940 Decoration Place of birth Kirkcaldy Other SNWM roll ROYAL NAVY AND ROYAL MARINES Rank Sto 2 Theatre of death R.N.P.S. H.M.S. Pelton. At Sea. Great Yarmouth
HMT Pelton (Skipper John Alexander Sutherland, DSC, RNR) was torpedoed and sunk by the German motor torpedo boat S-28 off Great Yarmouth on 24 December 1940 ..
The Royal Navy Type MS Trawler Class Built by Cook, Welton & Gemmill (Beverley, U.K.) Ordered Laid down Launched 4 Sep, 1925 Commissioned Aug, 1939 Lost 24 Dec, 1940 Loss position History Completed on 10 October 1925.
Taken over by the Admiralty in August 1939.
Displacement: 358 tons.
HMT Pelton (Skipper John Alexander Sutherland, DSC, RNR) was torpedoed and sunk by the German motor torpedo boat S-28 off Great Yarmouth on 24 December 1940. Was sent to cut commercial cables for UK to Continent communications off coast of Norfolk (Operation QUIXOTE
2005 (3001B) - HMS Pelton Confirmed wreck; war grave 200m 52o31.498 2o04.101
Cemetery: Lowestoft Naval Memorial
Country: England Area: Suffolk Rank: Stoker 2nd Class Official Number: LT/KX 110670
Unit: H.M. Trawler Pelton. Force: Royal Navy Nationality: British
Details:
24th December 1940. Age 28. Son of Joseph and Christina Baird of Kirkcaldy Fife. Panel 4 Column 1.
Christina Thompson Dewar born 10 Jan 1886 was my Grand Aunt.
Sid
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Thanks for the info Sid.I would love to find out whether Joseph Baird would have been my Grandfather. I think I will try & find out as much as I can. From what I can remember. I think Mums cousins/aunt came to visit us when I was quite young. I think there was a Christine & also a Jane,am pretty sure Dunfermline is where they lived. But i’m probably talking about the seventies!
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Hi Redman
Sent you a private message .. forgot to ask
Do you know any details of Alexander Joseph Dewar Baird PM if you do