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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: julkes on Saturday 18 April 09 19:43 BST (UK)
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We are looking for the burial place of the Russian-born
artist Eric (Dmitrievich) Pren / Prun / Pran (?) died 1985
and his wife
Irina nee Gartie / Hartie died 1999.
they lived 6 Spence Street, Edingburg.
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Edinburgh Council are the place to start.
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/internet/leisure/libraries/explore_your_library/family_history/cec_edinburgh_graves_for_the_family_historian
You could also try newspapers for Obituaries/death announcements which may have details of funerals.
Kirsty
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I'm having trouble finding either of them on Scotland's People. How did you get the year of death? Have you viewed the death certificates?
It helps to have the exact date when searching for a burial.
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Thank you!
Came across them in the Russian-language magazine, that's why not sure about the names' spellings. Both names are far from common Russian names.
Will try to get their spellings righ first.
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Hi,
Do you know if they were Russian Jews. The reason that I am asking is that where they lived was just a short distance from the only Synagogue in Edinburgh. It is also a very well to do area. It is a small culdesac and only has a few large houses in it. On the corner used to be the 'Avon Hotel'. It is off a busy thourough fare in Edinburgh. I would suggest that the likley burial place may be Mortonhall Cemetry if they are buried. If they were RC they may be buried at MOunt Vernon.
Regards,
Lynda
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Hi,
Irina's death is indexed under:
Irina Prehn, other name Gartier, d. 1999 in Edinburgh, aged 92. GROS: 738/00 0999
Eric's:
Eric Thornton Prehn, d. 1985 in Newington, Edinburgh, aged 91. GROS: 746/00 0659
There are two other Prehn deaths in Scotland; Marie Louise in 1952 (aged 79) and Wilfred Edmond in 1964 (aged 65).
hume :)
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Hi,
Do you know if they were Russian Jews. The reason that I am asking is that where they lived was just a short distance from the only Synagogue in Edinburgh. It is also a very well to do area. It is a small culdesac and only has a few large houses in it. On the corner used to be the 'Avon Hotel'. It is off a busy thourough fare in Edinburgh. I would suggest that the likley burial place may be Mortonhall Cemetry if they are buried. If they were RC they may be buried at MOunt Vernon.
Regards,
Lynda
As far as I can get from the article, he had English roots (ancestors coming from Liverpool) so he was anglican until late in life he conveted to Russian orthodox.
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Hi,
Irina's death is indexed under:
Irina Prehn, other name Gartier, d. 1999 in Edinburgh, aged 92. GROS: 738/00 0999
Eric's:
Eric Thornton Prehn, d. 1985 in Newington, Edinburgh, aged 91. GROS: 746/00 0659
There are two other Prehn deaths in Scotland; Marie Louise in 1952 (aged 79) and Wilfred Edmond in 1964 (aged 65).
hume :)
Thank you!!!
That's great.
I wonder if two others could be his parents but at this moment I know nothing about them.
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Some more info:
Marie Lousie Prehn died 4th January 1952 at 4 East Castle Street, Edinburgh, although she usually stayed at 77 Leamington Terrace, also Edin. She was 79. Her death was registered by her nephew, Eric T Prehn, of 6 Spence Street. Her parents were James Prehn, merchant (deceased) and Amelia Prehn m.s. Brandt (also deceased).
So now we know Eric's grandparents ... :)
hume
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Check this site out:
Original version (http://88.217.241.77/amburger/index.php?id=1041340)
Translated version by Google (http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://88.217.241.77/amburger/index.php%3Fid%3D1041340&ei=ulHqSbzaCaOsjAez-7z2Aw&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522james%2Bprehn%2522%2B%2522amelia%2Bbrandt%2522%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG)
It has details for both Amelia and James; unfortunately no children's details. :(
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However, did a search on the IGI website (although under "All Resources", http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=search_all1.asp&clear_form=true) and got a few results:
All to James Prehn and Amelia Brandt:
Edmund Prehn (b. 1857 Liverpool, d. 1924, married to Helen Thornton 1893)
James Ronald Prehn (b. 1859 Peterhof Lengrd?, USSR, d. 1919)
Marie Louise Prehn (b. 1872 Saint Petersburg, Russia)
hume
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Another cemetry to try is Piershill Cemetery, as they have a Jewish Burial Section. As far as I know having lived in Edinburgh for years till moving to West Lothian, this is the only Cemetery with a Jewish Burial Section in it, although I may be wrong.
Caz
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Eric Prehn was born to English parents in Moscow and fled Russia in 1922. Studied in Italy. Moved to Scotland 1941 and lived in Oban and then Edinburgh. Exhibited at the RSA, SSA in the 1940's but ceased in the 1950's. Fine Art Society held a memorial exhibition in 1986.
Once the exact date, from the death registration, is known then a search in Edinburgh Room at the Central Library, who hold back copies of the local newspapers and any obits, death notices etc, will be found there.
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You could try Newington Cemetery, I believe this was the original one in Edinburgh for the Jewish Community, all the Jewish people are buried down by the long wall that runs down Dalkeith Road and down towards Savacentre Cameron Toll. The original Synagogue was at West Richmond Street further up the road.
Archie.
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Details of Newington Necropolis Jewish section for those interested:
http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/features/featurefirst7886.html
http://www.newingtoncmy.fsnet.co.uk/
If Eric was Russian Orthodox then perhaps you could try contacting the Orthodox Chapel of St Andrew in Edinburgh to see if they could give you any guidance.
http://www.edinburgh-orthodox.org.uk/
Kirsty
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Found them!!!!
Grange Cemetery
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Yes - The Grange Ceremony is correct. The actual location is very close to the street entrance off Beaufort Road. I was at Ir(in)a's funeral in the Orthodox Chapel in Edinburgh and assisted at the burial as light snow fell at the start of the New Millennium. An Orthodox priest ('Father John') lived above the Prehns for years.
Eric's family had originally been English traders in Moscow, while Ira's family origins are a matter of discussion amongst her own family - 'Gartier' or 'Hartier'. Her father was a professor and Ira's sister was Reader in Russian at Edinburgh University. The Prehns after escaping from Russia lived in Riga before finally coming to the UK. They spent most summers in Florence and/or Rome researching and writing studies on early Italian Renaissance painting.
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Christopher, welcome to RootsChat :)
The internet is always an amazing thing. After a few years, your comments bring so many personal details. julkes has been online not too long and should get notification of your message.
Monica
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i have only just noticed your post online. My late aunt was Irina Eduardovna Prehn, nee Gartier, or Gartje the older daughter of Prof Dr Med Eduard Eduardovich Gartier (or Gartje) she married Eric Thornton Prehn (in Russian termed Eric Dimitrovich) a Moscow born artist of British extraction. In both cases the surnames are unusual, in that Uncle Eric's ancestors were Danish, whereas my grandfather's were German, the initial "H" of "Hartje" being transliterated to "G".
They bought 6 Spence St in 1948. We found my aunt dead there on Christmas Day 1999.
I can photograph the gravestone and send it to you. They are indeed buried in Grange Cemetry. My grandfather is buried in Newington Cemetry.
The Wilfred Prehn mentioned was one of Uncle Eric's younger brothers; he was the oldest of four sons. I know very little of his father, but his mother was a member of the Thornton family who ran textile mills in pre-Revolutionary Russian. There is material deposited in the Leeds Russian Archive.
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Marie Louise Prehn d1952 would be my uncle's Aunt Lou-Lou who resided in the Leamington Hotel, had nicotine-stained fingers and was so Russified that she nearly fainted when she saw a tram with "Joppa" on the destination board. In 1941 she was acting as a volunteer baby-sitter for my husband. Later she took him model aeroplanes when visiting him and his mother in Exmouth.