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does anyone have any information about a major boswell and his wife , i think he was born around 1774, he had a son thomas maried to jane tanzy , does anyone have anymore info on this family
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Major Boswell was b.cir 1774 Bloxham Ox (reputedly according to census - you will find them at Willenhall Stf in 1861) He was married to Lucy Boswell in 1798 at Breedon On The Hill Leic. He later married Mary Linyan.
He also had a son Alfred c.1819 Rauceby Lincs, who married Hannah Herne. Thomas was b.cir 1814 reputedly Oxon, died in 1897 Stoke on Trent. Jane Tanzy/Tansy was b.cir 1814 Frisby Leic and died 1886 Stoke on Trent.
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thanks for that, was lucy a boswell too then ? do you have any information about majors parents and siblings ?
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Im afraid I dont, but someone else on here might.
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thanks for that anyway least iv got a spouse for major well 2 lol
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Hi Zingara
According to Bob Dawson's 'The Genealogy of the Romany Boswells' (published by the Romany and Traveller Family History Society 2004, but now out of print), your Major Boswell was baptised 6 August 1780 at Bloxham, Oxfordshire, son of John and Sarah Boswell. Bob also records that Major died at Dresden, Staffordshire in 1870 and is buried at Stone.
Best wishes
Sharon
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Thats cushty thanks , i have another line in the family now ;D
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Hi,
Could you please tell me if you have any more information on John and Sarah Boswell, parents of Major Boswell, i.e Marraige dates, birth dates and places etc.
Thanks
Kerry
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Major Boswele - male -
baptised 1780 Bloxham Oxford
Father John
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Teany Boswell -female -
baptism 8th Mar 1801 Beoley Worcester
Major & Mary
Elopeh Boswell -female -
baptism 22nd Oct 1802 Quainton Buckingham
Major Boswell & Mary Linyan
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See: http://gypsyjib.wetpaint.com/page/Boswell+Family
Lots of info. PM
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I am related to boswells that are of romany decent,i will ask them for you and if they may have any information i will pass it on through pm
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Thanks Rab C... that would be great! :-)
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Im terrible for not keeping track of where I pick up notes - it may have come from the JGLS or one of the old books like "Gypsies of Britain" or "Gypsies Parson" but I have a note saying Mary Linyans mother was a Matilda Boswell. That may or may not be useful and remember its only reputed- not fact until you find a reliable ref for it. :)
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I have a question was there another Major Boswell I found some records.
There is this Major Boswell b 1844 -died 1885 Chorlton Lancashire aged 41
1871 Census Marthall cum Warford Cheshire this Major has a mother with him Delilah b 1800 Birmingham
John Boswell 17 Jun 1862
Baptism Place: Packwood, Warwickshire, Major & Eliza ( tinker)
OConnor Boswell 12 Jul 1867
Baptism Place: Mobberley,Cheshire,England Major Eliza
Closier Wall Boswell 28 Jan 1873 ( female)
Baptism Place: Bowdon, Cheshire, England - Major & Eliza
Expenena Boswell 1 Oct 1878
Baptism Place: West Gorton, All Saints, Lancashire, England to Major and Eliza, his occupation is given as Chairbottomer maker.
It cannot be same Major Boswell who died/ buried 1870 in Stone, Staffordshire, England
Any help please
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This could be an earler Major there is the later Major in Perthshire Advertiser 26th May 1870, or they could be the same person
Saturday 11 March 1837
Leicester Chronicle
Leicestershire
MARY LINION, and EDINGAL, ALFRED, and MAJOR BOSWELL, gipsies, were indicted for fraudulently obtaining half-a-dozen silver tea-spoons, the property of Mr. Thomas Shepherd, of Barrow-upon- Soar, on the Ist of April, 1835 ; but the case was not brought into Court.
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There was certainly more than one Major Boswell.
The early one b1780 Bloxham Ox to John & Sarah married Lucy Boswell and Mary Linyon who’s mother was reputedly a Boswell.
The later one was son of Delere (1881 census Cheshire), or Delilah (1871 Cheshire). I believe this is Deleta widow of Clark Boswell.
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Thank you both for replies, I am not sure its Deleta wife of Clark who is mother of this Major, as she died in 1844 Risbridge Suffolk according to records if correct,so would not be living in 1871. I think Deliah is in 1880 USA Oakland, Alameda, California, as sister of Josiah Boswell b 1823 England and he appears to be the son of Edward Boswell and Phillis Lee. ( known as Devonshire Boswells)
Delia Boswell was baptised 5 Feb 1808 :Paignton,Devon,England > Edward and Phillie.
It seems she then returned to UK to be found in 1881 Derbyshire Tinknall living alone.I have not located a death though.
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There was certainly more than one Major Boswell.
The early one b1780 Bloxham Ox to John & Sarah married Lucy Boswell and Mary Linyon who’s mother was reputedly a Boswell.
The later one was son of Delere (1881 census Cheshire), or Delilah (1871 Cheshire). I believe this is Deleta widow of Clark Boswell.
Mary Linyon and Major Boswell's elopement is mentioned in the chapter "Henry Boswell 'King of the Gypsies'" in part 1 of Richard Edmund's "The Early Romany Boswells a Family History 1650-1810"
There are 15 references for the given name Major and 5 for the surname Linyan or Linian in part 2.
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I came across a record about Madonna Gibbs and Emily Linian, two gipsies, so i then looked at records that may connect, maybe they connect back to the older ones in this thread, do not forget the famouse Major Lovell of olden times, everything below extracts plus there are many more records of North Street and the Boswells
Tuesday 16 March 1971
Birmingham Daily Post
Warwickshire
Gipsy chief seeks legal aid The leader of 50 gipsy families camped in Slackey Lane. Walsall. is applying for
T…….. Gibbs. aged 53. who has travelled in the Walsall area for the past 43 years, has been chosen as a test case by the Gipsy Council and the national Council for Civil Liberties
Saturday 21 February 1942
Staffordshire Sentinel
Staffordshire
STOKE ROMANY LEADER
H.... Boswell and Mr. Lawrence Boswell, who are both in business as scrap metals dealers in North-street; Mr. Jack Boswell, who is working out of the district; and Mrs. Kirkland, of 63, Brick-kiln-lane. Etruria. His wife, Mrs. Rebecca
Thursday 11 January 1940
Staffordshire Sentinel
Staffordshire
STOKE ASSAULT Father-in-Law Bound Over Summoned by his son-in-!aw for assault. Zachariah Finney. aged 65. of Trent Vale. was, at Stoke Police Court to-day, bound over for 12 months. Complainant was Lawrence Boswell, of North-street. Stoke
STOKE ROMANY LEADER Death of Rabbi Boswell The Romany community at The Caravans, North - street, Stoke, where there has been an encampment for more than 100 years. has sustained an irreplaceable loss through the death of their leader. Rabbi Boswell
Friday 07 November 1930
Staffordshire Sentinel
Staffordshire
City's Romany Caravan Dwellers
ROMANTIC CUSTOMS. That a family of the Romany tribe has been living in caravans on land in North-street. Stoke, for 150 years was revealed at the Stoke Stipendiary Court this morning by Mr. H. Grindey, who defended three members of the Boswell tribe
Friday 07 November 1930
Staffordshire Sentinel
Staffordshire
FOR 150 YEARS. In defending the Boswells. Mr. Grinciey said that John and Harry had been on the land for 37 years For 150 years or more a portion of the Waste land had been tenanted by their ancestors. The defendants were gipsies
Thursday 20 April 1911
Staffordshire Sentinel
Staffordshire
SERIOUS CHARGE AGAINST STOKE MEN
Alleged Robbery with Violence. At the - Stoke Police Court Hugo Boswell, alias Gibbs. 21. van dweller of North street. Stoke
Saturday 24 February 1900
Staffordshire Sentinel
Staffordshire
STOKE FORTUNE-TELLER SENT TO PRISON
The defendant was a woman named Madonna alias Gibbs, a gipsy's living in a van near North-street, She was charged with pretending tell fortunes
Tuesday 20 February 1900
Northern Daily Telegraph
Lancashire
FORTUNE-TELLING BY CARDS. At Hanley, yesterday, Madonna Bagguley, alias Gibbs, was charged with fraud by pretending to tell fortunes to two women
Saturday 24 February 1900
Leicester Chronicle
Leicestershire
FORTUNE-TELLER SENT TO PRISON. Before the Potteries Stipendiary Harold Wright, at Hanley. on Monday. Madonna Bagguley, a middle-aged woman, who lives in a van at Cliffe Vale, was charged with pretending to tell fortunes
Monday 01 March 1897
Exeter and Plymouth Gazette
Devon
On Saturday evening Joshua Lovell Gibbs, a gipsy, was charged with getting money by false pretence
Saturday 16 November 1895
Gloucester Journal
Gloucestershire
CITY POLICE INTELLIGENCE
A summons was taken out by Emily Moody against Madonna Buckland, gipsy, for assault. There was a cross-summons, and another against Seenty Buckland, daughter of Madonna Buckland for using threats ' November 7th. All the parties live in ...
Tuesday 22 December 1891
Gloucester Citizen
Gloucestershire
On Monday, at Hanley, Madonna Gibbs and Emily Linian, two gipsies, were sent to prison for one month each for fortune-telling, and they were also ordered to
Thursday 24 December 1891
Staffordshire Chronicle
staffordshire
the gipsy which from an overpowering faith in their power to tamper with forbidden secrets. Madonna Gibbs in Stoke the other day, the servants factory girls paid her mony
Wednesday 23 December 1891
Yorkshire Evening Post
Yorkshire
FORTUNE-TELLING in THE POTTERIES. TRAPPED BY POLICEMEN' WIVES.
Madonna Gibbs, a gipsy. was charged with breach of the Act by pretending to tell fortunes
Thursday 18 November 1875
Edinburgh Evening News
Midlothian
SUPERSTITION AT BIRMINGHAM.
Madonna Hearn, a young gipsy, was brought before the Birmingham magistrates yesterday charged with obtaining mony from one Selina Palmer on pretence of telling her fortune
Saturday 20 September 1862
Cardiff and Merthyr Guardian, Glamorgan, Monmouth, and Brecon Gazette
Glamorgan Wales
LLANDAFF PETTY SESSIONS,
DRUNK AND DISOrDEILY.—Thomas Gibbs, alias Lovell, charged with this offence he was discharged with a strict caution
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Hi - Here is my Major Boswell puzzle....
I share DNA with Cinemente Boswell, who has a birth entry stating that her father was Major Boswell and mother Lucy Boswell (West Markham, Nottinghamshire, in 1811). She later states on her marriage certificate that her father is John Vernon, but Lucy has remarried a John Vernon by then, so I think she just enters his name.
My direct line (Eliza) was born in 1812, a year after Cinemente. I also share DNA with an Elijah Boswell, whose birth record is in 1798 - the same year that Major Boswell marries Lucy, which I don't think is a co-incidence. His birth entry merely states he was a gypsy and does not mention any parental names.
Many people are calling Elijah 'Lazareth', as there is a birth entry for a Lazareth (Elijah is not noted as his name, but their are later entries on other documents for an Elijah Lazareth) to a Lucy Boswell and Viney Boswell. However, I believe that that is a different Lazareth, or Elijah Lazareth. There may be several Lucy's.
I am totally confused. The issue I have is this.....as several people have stated in this thread, and it seems to be generally stated, the story is that the Major Boswell who married Lucy Boswell, later married Mary Linyan/Linion. However, the births of the children do not match up. Major and Mary have children at the same time that Major and Lucy are having children, making it look like he kept swapping between wives.
If anyone can shed anymore light on this puzzle, or have DNA information for any of these individuals, I would be very grateful if you could post on this thread. Thank you.