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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: DDJJake on Wednesday 22 April 09 09:09 BST (UK)
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Hi,
If anyone is going to Dumfries Library, could they spare the time to look for a memorial inscription for Janet [Maxwell] Richardson of Hitae died 1857 registered in GRO record as Janet Maxwell and buried in Lochmaben Cemetery? She was widowed before the 1841 Census, and her husband was a John Richardson of Hitae. ... either a John Richardson .... born in 1773 in Lochmaben to William Richardson and Jean Rae or John's cousin, another John Richardson, born Hitae in the 1780s to James Richardson and Jean Mundall.
The marriage of John Richardson and Janet Maxwell took place in Lochmaben Parish in 1803.
John Richardson b. 1773 is the prime 'suspect' as his and Janet Maxwell's 1st born son was a William in 1806.
This couple are my Great x 3 Grandparents.
Thanks to any willing searcher who can trace either, or both, memorial inscriptions of John Richardson and Janet Maxwell.
Aye,
DDJJAKE
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Hi DDJJake,
I would have gladly offered to go to the old lochmaben cemetery, located behind the High Street and within the Town of Lochmaben itself, as opposed to the "new" cemetry which is located next to the golf course about 1 mile out side of Town - but, I now live in Wiltshire.
Hopefully one of our Dumfries based rootschatters can assist?
There may well be something at the Ewart re. the inscriptions or even locally in the Lockerbie Library, which also holds inscription records.
Good luck,
Kojak
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Thanks for your encouragement Kojak.
I live in retirement in Cyprus and now find it more and more difficult to make the journey back to the old country; so any local help would be very, very welcome.
Aye,
DDJJAKE
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Hi, I have a copy of the Lochmaben Old Churchyard Memorial Inscriptions, there are lots of Richardsons at Hightae. In the Old Parochial Deaths there is a Jean Richardson dau of John/Janet Maxwell of Hightae died Oct 4 1817. it doesnt give her age though. There are 4 John Richardsons deaths from Hightae between 1767 - 1809
akc
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Thanks for your help akc.
I have the Jean death in 1817 .... but for the John in question, I know he was still alive up to at least October/November 1821, because a second Jean was born to he and his wife Janet Maxwell in June, 1921 in Hightae.
If he lies in Lochmaben Old, he may be under the name of Janet Maxwell as her husband, John Richardson, born 1773.
John was a 'Heckler' to trade ... which may be a clue to his whereabouts if there was a Flax Mill near Hightae at the beginning of the 19th Century.
For the period 1767-1809, one of the John Richardson's might be my GGGGG Grandfather who was married to Janet Wright c. 1749. They had their last child in 1773.
I am also seeking death/burial of my GGGG Grandfather William Richardson b. 1752 and married to Jean Rae, 2nd February, 1772 .... after their last child, William was born in 1789.
Best wishes,
DDJJAKE
Aye
DDJJAKE
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There,s a William Richardson weaver ( called woollam ) died at Hightae Nov 13 1800. There is a Janet Wrights( Richardson ) a widow of John died at Heck April 23 1803.
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Hi again, I,ve just found a Margaret Rae wife of William Richardson died at Hightae August 13 1813 ( could Jean have been known by another name ). I havent found any Janet Maxwell yet except the baillie,s wife. There is 1 Jean Rae died at Smallholm 20 Apr 1818, no spouse mentioned.
akc
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Hello again akc ...
These two look strong candidates ... thanks ...
There's a William Richardson weaver ( called woollam ) died at Hightae Nov 13 1800. There is a Janet Wrights( Richardson ) a widow of John died at Heck April 23 1803.
There may be more details on the headstones ?
Best to you,
DDJJAKE
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Good morning! there are 41 references to Richardson,s in my book and it looks like a lot of them have married people with the name of Wright, and they all appear to originate from Hightae. I will try to narrow it down a bit.
In memory of john Richardson son of John Richardson, portioner in Hightae who died 16 January 1849 aged 13 months.
In memory of Elspa Wright spouse of John Richardson who died at Hightae 13 march 1778 aged 40 ( more writing on this one )
William Richardson in Hietae died 19 June 180 aged 64
Mary Richardson spouse to David Wright in Hietae died 1st July 1830 aged 68 ( more writing on this one )
Here lies John Richardson also Elizabeth Wright spouse to foresaid John Richardson died 10 Jan 1794 88yrs ( more on this one )
In memory of William Richardson who died at Hietae 18 July 1846 age 62 yrs ( a lot more on this one )
Hope you find one among these that rings a bell and they dont get you more confused
akc
In Memory of William
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Thanks again akc ..
Here is my direct line down to my GG G-F John Maxwell Richardson (Portioner)...
I also have the lines down to the present day for this line from William (b.1752) and for John (b. 1754) ... it is finding the early deaths that are the problem. Wills and testaments helped a lot later on as these Richardsons were portioners and thus leased land which showed as payments due on the wills.
First Generation
1. John RICHARDSON was born in 1724 in Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland.
John married Janet WRIGHT about 1749 in Lochmaben Dumfries Scotland. Janet was born in 1728 in Lochmaben Dumfries Scotland.
They had the following children:
2 M i. James RICHARDSON was born on 1 Nov 1750 in Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland.
+ 3 M ii. William RICHARDSON was born on 19 Feb 1752.
+ 4 M iii. John RICHARDSON [Farmer] was born on 1 Dec 1754. He died on 27 Aug 1823.
5 M iv. Thomas RICHARDSON was born on 1 Feb 1756 in Lochmaben Dumfries Scotland.
6 M v. Nathaniel RICHARDSON was born on 1 Mar 1759 in Lochmaben Dumfries Scotland. He died on 18 Dec 1807 in Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland.
7 M vi. Robert RICHARDSON was born on 1 Sep 1761 in Lochmaben Dumfries Scotland. He died on 11 May 1848 in Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland.
8 M vii. George RICHARDSON was born on 1 Jan 1764 in Lochmaben Dumfries Scotland.
9 F viii. Elisabeth RICHARDSON was born on 31 Jul 1767 in Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland.
10 F ix. Janet RICHARDSON was born on 14 Feb 1773 in Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland. She died on 24 Jan 1800 in Hightae, Dumfries, Scotland.
Second Generation
3. William RICHARDSON (John) was born on 19 Feb 1752 in Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland.
William married Jean RAE daughter of John RAE on 2 Feb 1772 in Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland. Jean was born in 1756 in Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland.
William and Jean had the following children:
+ 11 M i. John RICHARDSON [Heckler] was born on 24 Jan 1773. He died before 1851.
+ 12 F ii. Janet RICHARDSON was christened on 4 Mar 1776. She died on 11 Dec 1863.
13 M iii. Matthew RICHARDSON was born on 11 Feb 1778 in Hightae, Lochmaben, Dumfries.
+ 14 M iv. William RICHARDSON [Pig Dealer] was born on 4 Dec 1789. He died before 1851.
Third Generation
11. John RICHARDSON [Heckler] (William, John) was born on 24 Jan 1773 in Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland. He died before 1851 in Hightae, Lochmaben, Scotland.
John married Janet MAXWELL daughter of John MAXWELL [Proprietor] and Janet REID on 9 Sep 1803 in Lochmaben Dumfries Scotland. Janet was born in 1781 in Hightae, Lochmaben, Scotland. She died on 28 Jan 1857 in Hightae, Lochmaben, Scotland.
They had the following children:
19 F i. Jean RICHARDSON was born on 7 Sep 1804 in Lochmaben Dumfries Scotland. She died on 4 Oct 1817 in Lochmaben Dumfries Scotland.
20 M ii. William RICHARDSON was born on 10 Dec 1806 in Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland. He was christened on 30 Dec 1806 in Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland. He died before 1851.
21 F iii. Janet RICHARDSON was born on 11 Oct 1815 in Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland.
22 M iv. John Maxwell RICHARDSON [Portioner-Joiner] was born on 8 Jun 1818 in Lochmaben Dumfries Scotland. He was christened on 23 Jun 1818 in Lochmaben Dumfries Scotland. He died on 18 Jul 1883 in Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland. The cause of death was Peritonitis.
John married Margaret MCMILLAN daughter of John MCMILLAN [Crofter] and Ann or Hannah CAMERON on 24 Oct 1847 in Dryfesdale, Dumfries, Scotland. Margaret was born in 1818 in Kilmallie, Argyll Scotland. She died on 17 May 1888 in Lochmaben Dumfries Scotland.
23 F v. Jean or Jane RICHARDSON was born on 17 Jun 1821 in Hightae, Dumfries, Scotland. She died on 14 Sep 1898 in Lochmaben, Dumfries, Scotland. The cause of death was Valvular Heart Disease Asthemia and Cardiac Failure.
Cheers,
DDJJAKE
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Ahh, a you have sought out the sun have ye?
You must really miss the green green land...
As a Hightae boy myself (1974-1996 and 2001-2008), the village has long had a strong link to the surname Richardson. There is a really good book by a local historian, Anne Fairn on the Royal Four Towns of which Hightae is the largest, and I am sure I have a copy here somewhere.
I will have a look and see if I can A) find the book and, if I can B) see if there is any mention made to your ancestors...
Kind regards,
Kojak
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Slainte kojak,
Although I am very proud of my Fife ancestry through my Grandfather Henderson back to 1665 in Wemyss, I am equally proud of my Grandmother Kerr's ancestry to the Richardson Portioners of Hightae [Hitae]. My GG G-F John Maxwell Richardson's 'will' was very precise on who could inherit the lands ... and after his wife, Margaret Mcmillan, then their daughter, my G G-M Janet Richardson, then on her death in 1925 it fell to her eldest heir Jane Kerr, her daughter, who married a David Leslie of Annan in 1906 and lived in Butt Street there until her death in 1953.
I spent a week in Annan, three years ago finding cousins, and also travelling all over Lochmaben ... from the Carthat Farms (another blood related Richardson's Portions) to Hightae where I found my GG G-F's Joinery workshop and steading, and chatted with the present owner.
It was very exciting because until then I didn't know a thing about the future worldwide - Toronto, Winnipeg, Illinois, nor Scottish existences furth of Stirling, of Janet Richardson's 10 children born in Bannockburn [!] as Kerrs from 1880 to 1895, except my grannie Jessie Kerr b. 1886 and two of her sisters who happened to live in Stirling when I was a lad. But I have also been to visit my discovered 2nd Cousins in Canada .... fantastic experience.
Aye
DDJJAKE
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Hi akc,
I quote you William Richardson in Hietae died 19 June 180 aged 64
180 ? .... or was it unreadable ?
My William was born in 1752 !
Thanks
DDJJAKE
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Hi again, sorry about that, it should read 19th June 1801 aged 64 yrs
akc
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I am wondering if there are any Hendersons in the Lochmaben kirkyard? I'm working on the family of Thomas Henderson (1779-1845), son of Francis Henderson & Mary Vivers. Thomas Henderson was married to Agnes Barton.
Thanks!
Heather
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there are a total of 25 hendersons in the opr burial index for lochmaben, no thomas but there is a francis buried annan oct 16 1808 it gives his address as carthit
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Hi Heather
My ggg grandmother was Ann Henderson daughter of Francis Henderson and Mary Vivers, she married Robert Blyth and moved to Moffat,
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Hi akc.
Did you mean CARTHAT rather than CARTHIT ? ...... as my Richardson cousins were in possession of both Carthat farms, south over the hill from Hightae, from the early 1800s. I visited these farms about four years ago .... but the Richardson portionerships probably had been sold off as there was no local knowledge of their former presence .... at least among the few people with whom I managed to converse.
Aye
DDJJAKE
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just says carthit in my book ddjjake could be miss-spelt
heather h, just found this in the torthorwald memorial inscriptions: in memory of thomas henderson died at lockerby 11th february 1845 age 67 yrs, also agnes barton his spouse died at carthwood 18th may 1815 aged 39yrs. also john henderson their son died april 1828 aged 22 yrs
there are also a few references to the barton family in carthwood on the previous inscription if you are interested
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hi again heather h, just realised i have the marriage of francis henderson and mary vivers on previous searches i did for one of my relatives:
on nov 20th francis henderson kirklandrigg dalton and mary veevers hill cummertrees
also their children: ann june 27 1784, thomas jan 29 1779, richard march 22 1780, twins betty and janet jan1st 1782, christopher nov 19 1787
there is a birth 25 feb 1791 at kirklandrigg to francis henderson and mary irvine ( mary vivers must have died ) twin daughters sarah and rachel
akc
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in the caerlaverock monumental inscriptions: in memory of robert and francis hutchison who died 1st february 1826 aged 1 year and 3 months, sons of robert hutchison in kelwoodburn. also william hutchison his son who died 1st june 1832 in the 4th year of his age. also robert francis his son who died 16th august 1847 aged 20 years and 9 months. also mary vivers their grandmotherwho died 28th october 1830 aged 79 years. also rachel henderson her daughter who died 25th may 1831 aged 39 years. also sarah henderson his spouse who died at racks25th february 1862 aged 69 years. also said robert hutchison who died at racks 22 april 1876 aged 86 years
so the twins sarah and rachel mentioned in my previous post must have been born to mary vivers not mary irvine ( must have been misspelt )
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Hi akc
I agree the Irvine in the OPR's is a mispelling, the list of children I have found in the OPR on Scotland's People for Francis and Mary are:
Thomas Henderson 31/01/1779
Richard Henderson 26/03/1780
Betty Henderson 01/01/1782
Janet Henderson 01/01/1782
Ann Henderson 27/06/1784 - my ggg grandmother
Christopher Henderson 24/11/1787
Sarah Henderson 21/03/1791
Rachael Henderson 21/03/1791
Hope you don't think I'm hijacking your topic DDJjake but i think there may be a Henderson, Hutchison, Kerr link somewhere alone the line due to a thread I started in 2010 and I think you were involved in akc
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,420393.0.html
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thought i,d come across this info before purplekat, but couldnt find it, nice to go over old family links again, we have a robert henderson kerr and francis henderson kerr in our tree
akc
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Hi purplekat,
Most of my Henderson relatives originate from Fife and my Kerrs from Midlothian. My Richardson of Lochmaben link is to my Kerrs of Midlothian ..... James Kerr [Coachman!) of Cramond married Janet Richardson in Hightae in 1879 .... and one of their 8 daughters born in Stirling was my grandmother Jessie who married John Henderson in 1907 in Stirling .... this John descended from James Henderson and Elspeth Ingles m. 1731 in Wemyss, Fife.
Aye
DDJJAKE
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Sorry DDJJake
I have a Thomas Richardson in my tree but he's not a direct ancestor of mine, he's the son in law of Ann Henderson, it seems to be a common name in the area so he probably won't be one of yours but I'll give you his details anyway, he was born approx 1824 in Johnstone and died aged 29 in 1852, he was a farm labourer.
akc - do you think there might be a link between 'my' Francis Henderson and your ancestors?
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we think they could have been named after their fathers employer, seemed to be quite common back then to give your offspring a middle name from the local gentry, and we have a long line of ag labs in our tree
akc
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Thanks akc, 'my' Francis Henderson was a farmer but I don't know if he owned a farm or was an employee :)
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Thank you, everyone, for all this great information about the Hendersons!
Would it be possible to get a photo of the grave of Thomas Henderson & Agnes Barton in Torthorwald?
Purplekat, can you give me more information about Ann Henderson? Names & dates of children, grandchildren, etc?
Since Thomas Henderson & Agnes Barton turned out to be in Torthorwald, maybe that's where I should be directly my inquiries. There were a lot of Hendersons in that area, and I'm having difficulty sorting them out.
So Francis Henderson & Mary Vivers (married 1777 Kirklandrigg, Dalton) were buried separately. Mary with her daughter Sarah Hutchison. Where is Francis Henderson buried? That might give a bit more information about him. A Francis Henderson was born 9 Feb 1735 in Annan, to Thomas Henderson & Bettie Thompson -- but is this the right Francis Henderson? It makes him rather old at the time of his marriage. But he did name his oldest son Thomas....
Thanks for any insight!
Heather
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Hi Heather
When I get a bit more time I'll pm you with some more details about Ann Henderson's family but unfortunately I don't have any details about Francis's family.
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I am wondering if anyone in this group is related to my Richardsons -
1. William RICHARDSON, son of John RICHARDSON (1742-1824) and Elspeth WRIGHT (1738-1778), was born 1770. William died 1849 in Hightae, Dumfriesshire, Scotland. His body was interred in Lochmaben, Dumfriesshire, Scotland.
He married Elizabeth HANNAH. Elizabeth was born in Dornock, Dumfriesshire, Scotland 1773, the daughter of Robert HANNAH and Mary SCOTT. She was listed as a resident with her daughter (Margaret RICHARDSON, unmarried, aged 39, dressmaker) and granddaughter (Elizabeth BONSTEAD, unmarried, aged 37, servant, born in Lochmaben) in the census report in High Street, Hightae, Dumfriesshire, Scotland, 1861. Elizabeth died 4 Nov 1862 in Hightae, Dumfriesshire, Scotland.
William's occupation: Blacksmith.
William RICHARDSON and Elizabeth HANNAH had the following children all born in Hightae, Dumfriesshire, Scotland:
2. i. Mary Johnston RICHARDSON was born 24 May 1800.
3. ii. Elspeth RICHARDSON was born 24 Mar 1802 and died April 1802 in Hightae, Dumfriesshire, Scotland.
4. iii. Thomas RICHARDSON was born 24 Feb 1804 and died 8 Apr 1807 in Hightae, Dumfriesshire, Scotland.
5. iv. Janet RICHARDSON was born 17 Nov 1805.
6. v. Elspeth RICHARDSON was born 31 Dec 1807 and died 3 Jun 1817 in Hightae, Dumfriesshire, Scotland.
7. vi. John RICHARDSON was born in Hightae, Dumfriesshire, Scotland 29 May 1810. He married Janet HENDERSON in Lochmaben, Dumfriesshire, Scotland, 7 Sep 1838. Janet was born in Lochmaben, Dumfriesshire, Scotland 1808. John's occupation: Blacksmith. He was listed as a resident in the census reports in Lochmaben, Dumfriesshire, Scotland, 1841 and 1861. They had the following children: Elizabeth, Charlotte, Elspeth and John.
8. vii. Thomas RICHARDSON was born 12 Jul 1812. He married Jannet WILSON. Thomas and Jannet were my g-g-grandparents. They settled in Sangamon County, Illinois, USA.
9. viii. James RICHARDSON was born 24 Jul 1814.
10. ix. Margaret RICHARDSON was born 22 Oct 1818. Margaret's occupation: Dressmaker. She was listed as a resident in the census report in Hightae, Dumfriesshire, Scotland, 1851 and 1861.
11. x. Isabella RICHARDSON was born 20 Mar 1824
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Hello,
Have read with interest about Lochmaben lookups and was particularly interested in the ones about Richardson. I am interested in a John Richardson who would have died before 1769. I do not know when he was born. He married Elizabeth Wright who was born about 1706 and died in Jan 1794. Both are buried in Lochmaben. If anyone knows of them or can tell me about their headstone inscriptions I would really appreciate it.
John and his wife livedin Heck. They only had one child Agnes born Jun 1737 who married William Thorburn of Kelto. They are buried in St Michaels and I have their information but it is John and 'Elizabeth I am really interested in.
Any information would be wonderful.
Crackpot
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Hi, in the Lochmaben Old Churchyard Memorial Inscriptions No 287: Here lyes John Richardson...........Also Elizabeth Wright spouse to foresaid John Richardson who died 10th January 1794 aged about 88 years. Also Elizabeth second daughter to William Thorburn of Kelton and Agnes Richardson spouse who died 13th December 1765 aged 16 months. Also John eldest son to the said William Thorburn and Agnes Richardson who died 2nd January 1764 aged .......... Further inscriptions illegible due to very feathery chisel work.
There are 41 references to Richardsons and 19 with Wright in the above booklet, I think you can still get it from dgfhs
also in the old parochial deaths and burial index there are 9 Richardsons from Heck and 4 Wrights
akc
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Thank you so much AKC for the information ----very much appreciated!!!
Crackpot
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Hi Crackpot,
The booklet is still available from DGFHS see www.dgfhs.org.uk and click the Publications link.
I was involved when this booklet was published and took a lot of photographs in the old graveyard. After looking through the archive I can say I found only five stone listing the Richardson Families. Unfortunately they do not included your John and Elizabeth. Many inscriptions, in particular those on the old tables, are now very difficult to read.
The booklet is based on a survey made in the 1960s and sandstone deteriorates fast when lying flat. Here is a photo of one of the Richardson stones -- if you want the other four showing readable MIs just send me a PM with an email address that accepts attachments.
Regards,
Sy
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Hello
If someone still has access to the records of Old Lochmaben burials ..I'm wondering if there are references to the Grierson or Lockerbie families?
Thanks
Dorothy
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Any names in particular you are looking for ? there are a few references to Lockerbie in the opr,s no Griersons but is it possible it could be shortened to " Grier " there are some in " Hightae "
Only one Grierson in the MI,s and one Lockerby
akc
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Wow ...
John Grierson married Janet Lockerbie 1804 in Lochmaben. He was the son of William Grierson.She the daughter of James Lockerbie and Grace Bell. The 1851 census shows members of the family living in Hightae . I thought they might be in the Lochmaben cemetery.
The Grierson name shows a variety of spellings ..Grirson , Grearson, Greerson so Grier would be possible. The same applies to Lockerbie , Lockerby etc.
So ... all possibilities are worthy of a look.
Thanks so much
Dorothy
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In the OPR: Grizel ( Bell ) wife of James Lockerbie Hightae d Feb 15 1817
Janet Lockerbie Hightae d Apr 2 1797
Margaret Lockerbie widow of David Venture bur Dryfesdale Hightae d May 2 1816
Grace Grier daughter of Mathew Hightae d Oct 23 1818
Mary Wilson widow of John Grier Hightae d July 13 1813
Thomas Grier married Hightae d Oct 12 1815
also some references to " Grieve " families in Hightae
In Lochmaben Old Churchyard MI,s: No 311: In memory of Grace Bell, spouse to James Lockerby in Hietae who departed this life 22nd february 1817 in the 85th year of her age.
No 344: In memory of William Grierson who died at Hietae 20th May 1848 aged 4 years and 2 months. Also John Grierson who died 22 May 1848 aged 9 months children of John Grierson mason in Hietae. Post 1855 inscriptions
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The DGFHS booklets are not expensive. See http://www.dgfhs.org.uk/publications.asp
The Lochmaben MIs are 2.5 UK pounds and the OPR less at just 2.0 UK pounds.
There is postage to add of course but at 75gm and 60gm it won't break the bank.
Royal Mail are about to whack up their prices at the end of the month so I suggest buying sooner rather than later.
Sy
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Johnner Kid
Thanks so much for the info and the photo .
PM to follow
Crackpot
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Would it be possible to check for a headstone for a Isabella MAIN/MEIN (Forsyth) died 1867 Lochmaben.
cupcake
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Would it be possible to check for a headstone for a Isabella MAIN/MEIN (Forsyth) died 1867 Lochmaben.
cupcake
Found her. Thanks. COMPLETED.
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Hello. I have been looking for my ancestors origins for many years now. I am 85 and still havent got definitive answers. Family lore ( dangerous ha ha) says that we originated in Dumfrieshire. My difinitive ancestor is a John Richardson born in 1804 to a William & Mary Richardson and notified in the chapel at Lower Mitton Worcestershire. Now that area was booming at this time. Iron ore had been found and there were also the joining of canals to link with liverpool The baldwins had an Iron moulding business there as later around 1814 Hardy and Padmore from Edinburgh did. I noticed on this site that A John Richardson of Hightae was a blacksmith and I think he married an Elizabeth. The william Richardson that I am following was I believe their son. ( see attached record). I also think that following in his fathers footsteps he went tothe blackmiths at Gretna where he married Mary Birney ( See attachment) and that together they trekked to where the work was in Worcester. A lot of conjecture but one never knows what snippets of information will emerge. Happy hunting to everyone.