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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Stirlingshire => Topic started by: jobarnes on Friday 24 April 09 10:42 BST (UK)
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I have discovered from my grans birth cetificate that my great grandmother Jean tulloch Stewart came from/lived at Rose Hall Polmont. Does any one know if Rose Hall was a house in Polmont as I have searched the records and can only find Rose Hall garage which is now in Polmonts Main Street. I think my great grandmother may have worked there rather than been the main occupant so to speak. She seems to have gone off to Glasgow at some point as my grandmother was born in Glasgow in 1944.
Jean Tulloch Stewart was born at Larbert in I think 1925. The birth and death certs are on Scotlands People and as there was only one person with that particular name I am assuming that both certs ae for same person - which is the better one to get a copy of birth or death as without seeing the cert I can't get any further as my grandmother knows nothing of her family at all.
Please any advice welcome - sorry if its a bit of a ramble
Thanks
Jo
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My 3rd gt grand uncle James Neilson built Rosehall House, which stood near the centre of Falkirk. He died there in 1872 and the house passed into the ownership of his nephew, William Wood Neilson, who amongst other things was the Baillie of Falkirk.
Rosehall House was demolished a long time ago, althoughI have a picture of it that I can send to you if you pm me with details of your e-mail.
I'm not sure whether there is a connection between Rosehall House and the Rosehall garage in Polmont.
I believe that Jean Tulloch Stewart's parents were James Tulloch Stewart born c1896 at Polmont and Margaret Steven Liddell born c1895 at Airdrie. Margaret's parents were James Liddell corn c1860 at Airdrie and Mary Allan Wilson born c1860 at Govan.
Hope this helps
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My 3rd gt grand uncle James Neilson built Rosehall House, which stood near the centre of Falkirk. He died there in 1872 and the house passed into the ownership of his nephew, William Wood Neilson, who amongst other things was the Baillie of Falkirk.
Rosehall House was demolished a long time ago, althoughI have a picture of it that I can send to you if you pm me with details of your e-mail.
I'm not sure whether there is a connection between Rosehall House and the Rosehall garage in Polmont.
I believe that Jean Tulloch Stewart's parents were James Tulloch Stewart born c1896 at Polmont and Margaret Steven Liddell born c1895 at Airdrie. Margaret's parents were James Liddell corn c1860 at Airdrie and Mary Allan Wilson born c1860 at Govan.
Hope this helps
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Thanks for the info a photo of the house would be great.
Jean Tulloch stewarts parents were as you state and Jean is my great grandmother - I wil pm you
Many Thanks
Jo
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info I have is that Jean Tulloch Stewart lived at Rose Hall for a time in the early 1940's and it was her grandparents home. need to findout more
Thanks
Jo
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Jo,
Just found this little snippet when I was looking for information on another part of the family.
Rosehall Gar Main St, Polmont, Falkirk, Stirlingshire, FK2 0QY
Hopefully someone with some local knowledge might know where this street is.
Love
Lyne
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Lyne
We think we have sussed where it is
will let you know
Sheena
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Hi there,
Rosehall Garage, Main Street, Polmont is now a drive in car wash which sits on the main road.
not sure if there is an actual garage still on this site - I am just going out that way so will have a look.
Gill
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The car wash is the Rosehall Garage as mentioned. We used to go there for a variety of car spares in the 50s/ 60s/70s. The buildings are still there.
Les
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Thanks that would be good
apparently there is still a house on Main street called Rosehall but archives office cant tell us if its original house and planning office not replied yet
JO
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I'll take the camera and let you know what i find
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that would be excellent - i do know where Main street Polmont is but I dont live in scotland so that would be cool
Jo
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Rosehall is the big Georgian house opposite Rosehall Garage in Polmont. From the look of the building I would say about 1830 - 1860 ish.
It is currently occupied by single family, but in 50s and 60s was sub divideded so a lot of people would have lived there at any one time, and a lot would have passed through in that time. I've heard that a lot of young couples in Polmont stayed there as their first newly wed home.
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I think it is important to distinguish between this building in Polmont and 'The' Rosehall that was built in Falkirk by the auctioneer James Neilson.
Unfortunately, that building was demolished many years ago but it is interesting that the name persists. I wonder whether there might be a family connection somewhere?
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Hi
I think we can safely say that it is Rosehall in Polmont that we are talking about and not 'The' Rosehall that was built in Falkirk by the auctioneer James Neilson. The Archives in Falkirk didn't ever reply to our query but have been able to get info from other sources and its definitely not the house in Falkirk.
Hope this solves any confusion
Jobarnesmum
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Interesting, I live in Rosehall Polmont now. If there is anything I can try and help you with, please let me know. I've only been here with my family since 2006.
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Hello feebs!
Welcome to Rootschat! ;D
Unfortunately I don't have anything to contribute to this thread, but I though I would just say hello!
Anne
P.S. If you see someone lurking around outside your house, at least you'll have an idea what they're up to, unless of course you can add a wee photo yourself?
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Feebs -- my gt grandparents lived @ Rosehall Polmont in the 1920's. Is your house the original one?
a photo would be nice if it is :)
Thanks
Jobarnesmum
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Yes, ours is the original one. Co- incidently by parter is a Stewart!!!
I'll post a photo at some point
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Ooh A Stewart ???wonder if he is a family member.................
Jobarnesmum
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JoBarnesmum,
Oh my goodness a photo of the house at long last, at least all the family will finally see what it looks like.
We could possibly be related to feebs Partner as I know Aunt May in New Zealand still talks to a cousin who is a Stewart and lives in the surronding area and I think he has children and grandchildren.
The family is just getting bigger lol.
Love
Lyne
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It surely is ....... ;D
I can't wait to see it ..............
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In a manner of speaking I am up to my ears in family at the moment lol.
They just keep being found.
Must admit I cant wait to see a photo of Rosehall and to find out if Feebs partner is related to us.
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We keep finding family as well on all branches .........
waiting with baited breath to see what's next .........................................
Jobarnesmum
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Hi Jo - I'm Alistair Stewart - and I lived in Rosehall with my parents between 1965 and 1980 - they finally moved out in 1989.
My father's from Lossiemouth in Moray - we only moved here as he got a job nearby - so unfortunately not the relative you seek
However - here's a couple of photos - from the 1970s i think - the house used to have a great garden at the back - i think it was an orchard prior to us - it now has 3? large houses in it
The second is from the top of the hill which overlooks main st - Rosehall is in the middle. This is now all houses. In the background - just before the Kirk is now a motorway.
Good luck with your search
Alistair
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From Alistair's Dad
I took those photos in the days when we were surrounded by fields with sheep. The ground was very poor, stony, scrub grass.
The original Rosehall Garage was in Rosehall, rebuilt across the road in I think the 1920 30 period. I was told that one of the early users of the space at the Falkirk end was a young man called Walter Alexander who owned a bus. He moved to Camelon and became the biggest bus company in Scotland.
During WW2 the house was lived in by lots of families, probably a room each, and when we moved in in 1965 we spent the first few years in DIY refurbishing the house. People walking past would stop and tell us that they had started their married lives there in the 1940's and 50's.
Alistair is right, the back garden was an orchard until we came. A local farmer had been contracted to grub it all up, and the ground was just earth when we moved in, but seeded. The farmer came back several times to tell us he hadn't been paid. Only one apple tree remained, and it died slowly because of Honey fungus, leaving only a pear tree which produced hundreds of very small pears.
We sold the house to a local builder who put 3 houses in the garden, ruining the wicket we had been nursing for years.
We left in 1989 when I retired
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HI I am Jo's mum
NettieS is my aunt (although I hasten to add we are a similar age my mother is a good bit older than her brothers ....)
Thanks sooo so much for this ......this is wonderful .................My husband has family who now ive in Polmont so I cant wait to get there to see them and look around .....
Best Wishes and thanks from all the Stewart family
Jobarnesmum
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Here's another photo - taken from slightly further round(West) - it's looking North towards Grangemouth - with Longannet power station in the distance. Me finding your post coincided with me scanning many of my old photos - Polmont doesn't look like this any more!
Looking at google maps - the postcode is FK2 0QY - it's diagonally opposite the garage - with all those houses on my football/cricket pitch...
Alistair
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Thanks so much for this ...........
Jobarnesmum
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Jo – I thought you would like to hear something about the house itself?
I moved in when I was 3 – I seem to remember my 4th birthday party watching Dr Who on our newly rented B&W TV – which was sitting on a tea chest - probably while hiding from behind the sofa!
Rosehall was a BIG house – especially for the 3 of us. The kitchen, dining, sitting and 3 bedrooms could each accommodate a couple. There were also 2 attic rooms up a slightly smaller staircase which would have been a fine size for a single person – you can see the sky light each had in the photo? We had a piano in one – which came as a disappointment to the removal men when we moved in. The house was cold in winter – I seem to remember each room had a fireplace – except – they were bricked up – that’s what you did then
The house must have been neglected a bit in the decade before we moved in in those days no-one wanted these big houses – preferring modern bungalows. We discovered the house needed major refurbishment only after we moved in.
You could see how each of the rooms had a different couple staying in them – it did however only have 1 bathroom – interesting…
The garden was huge – the size of ½ a football pitch – with 1 tree left in the middle. The house was right on the main street – but in those days there was little traffic.
I realise that you’d be wanting to know about the house and the occupants from much earlier – but thought that 1965 to you was quite like 1925 to me. Looking at one of the photos from the hill the building opposite the Kirk is my 1st primary school – before I moved to the “new” Polmont Primary school in P2. This "new" school itself has been replaced – progress…
Cheers
Alistair
(Btw - before I get corrected – the power station in the background must be Kincardine - Longannet – which has one of the largest single chimneys in Scotland was probably still in the planning stages.)
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Alistair and Alistair's Dad,
Thank you so much for posting the photo's of the house it is appreciated by my nieces and myself, I think I will download them and then send a copy to our relatives in New Zealand to see if it brings some memories back for my mother in laws sister.
Sorry to read that the wicket you had been nursing for years got ruined in the name of progress.
Best Wishes and Kind Regards
Lyne
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I’ve been looking through some of my dad’s photos – and found a couple of Rosehall
The first is a postcard – he’s written “possibly about 1938” on the back – although not sure what that is based on. It’s taken from the East of the house.
The second is again from the East – but somewhat closer. Taken 1970 perhaps – I don’t remember us getting a pavement!
Hope they are of interest
Cheers
Als
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Thanks Als,
Much appreciated as were the other photos.
Regards
Lyne
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Thanks Als,
Much appreciated as were the other photos.
Regards
Lyne
As Auntie Lyne says much appreciated ...... 1938 my granny would still have lived there possibly as my mum was born in 1944 !!
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Just found this site. I actually lived in Rosehall in Polmont from 1947 to 1953 when I was 8. It was a very large house and we had rented space when we returned from Holland My father was Dutch and worked in the dockyard in Grangemouth. He helped the then owner with the garden and general maintenance. We became the owners when as I understand it the gentleman left it to us in his will, at least that rings a bell from thing I heard aged 3 or so.
It was a very large house and there was a large extension on the back which is now missing when we lived there there was also a loft above the kitchen. The garden was surrounded by a 6 foot stone wall and was my dads passion and he had it fully planted with fruit and vegetables. There were double gates and to the left of these was a double story barn, attached to this was a stable type building then another attached to that and finally a large lean to greenhouse. If you look on Google maps with Rosehall on your left and move towards Falkirk past the entrance to Rosehall Gardens at the end of that bungalows garden you will see a half moon stone wall, that was the extent of the property and I used to sit and fish off that onto what then was the main Edinburgh Glasgow road. What it is now is a travesty of what it was and should never have been allowed. If it had not been for my fathers work we would never have left. Hope you gain something from this.
Regards
Yvonne Tempest
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Thanks Yvonne - my granny Stewart lived in this house that's why I was asking .. It was her parents house - I have no idea when The Stewarts moved out sometime between 1944 and now 1947 as you moved in then... I know my great grandfather stayed in the area because his death was reg in the area. I believe he married for a 2nd time after my gt granny died in1934 ..
Many thanks again..
Jobarnesmum x
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I thought you might like a few more photographs - taken about 1967 - showing more of the garden (including the wall you used to fish off Yvonne). There was no greenhouse outbuildings when we moved there - although there is an impression of something on the gable wall on the east side.
The attic above the kitchen I do remember - although it was difficult to access - but it had "proper" rooms (2) there.
I've also included anther from the top of the hill - slightly later
Als
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We also discovered recently that it looks like a famous World War 1 flying ace lived in Rosehall too - Captain James Fitz-Morris. There are a couple of photos too - sadly of his funeral.
You can read about him on various sites eg;
Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Fitz-Morris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Fitz-Morris)
The aerodrome
http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/scotland/morris.php (http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/scotland/morris.php)
Couple of his funeral - which include photographs of Rosehall.
http://collections.falkirk.gov.uk/search.do;jsessionid=1E7DB9603EDFF81C1F529F7B4E8DFA12?id=209877&db=object&view=detail (http://collections.falkirk.gov.uk/search.do;jsessionid=1E7DB9603EDFF81C1F529F7B4E8DFA12?id=209877&db=object&view=detail)
http://collections.falkirk.gov.uk/search.do;jsessionid=1E7DB9603EDFF81C1F529F7B4E8DFA12?id=209868&db=object&view=detail (http://collections.falkirk.gov.uk/search.do;jsessionid=1E7DB9603EDFF81C1F529F7B4E8DFA12?id=209868&db=object&view=detail)
One photo shows cottages attached to the East wall?
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Lovely Photo's Alistair. I went with hubby and we saw Rosehall at the beginning of July. All the land behind it has homes built on it (Rosehall Gardens) now. Still it was nice to see where hubbies great grandparents had lived.
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Thanks Alistair, all adds to the story of the house. :-)