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Title: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Wednesday 29 April 09 17:05 BST (UK)
I accept there are no passenger lists (or so I think) for passengers from Sweden to London in 1946, but is there any way I can trace my grandad?   He was born 1928 as Valdis Valdeman Krilovs, his father died very shortly after his birth. His mother remarried and he became Valdis or Waldis Swensson.  He was born in a place beginning with 'V' in Sweden (that could be the village, town or district, no-one knows), came to London in 1946 and went back again a few years later. He returned to London c1951 for good, possibly changing his name from Swensson to Krilovs. He died 1981, having destroyed all his I.D.  Naturalization records at Kew is a possibility, but wouldnt there be a 100 year secrecy ruling on them?  I know he attended a boarding school in Stockholm but I dont speak Swedish and dont know if they'd give me records anyway, plus I couldnt translate them...even if I knew where the school is/was. His parents were Aleksander and Annette Krilovs, his father was a naval captain but all avenues have been explored there, and he's untraceable.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 27 October 15 21:39 GMT (UK)
Hi again
It's been a while since we last had contact. I haven't given up. There is one thing though....  I don't think Walter was actually born in Sweden. There are newer databases for births in Sweden upto 1941 and he just isn't there I'm afraid.
Do you have anymore info?

Regards Ian
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: pinefamily on Tuesday 27 October 15 23:21 GMT (UK)
The surname Krilovs does sound more eastern Baltic, doesn't it? I do know someone here in Australia with the surname Krilov, and their heritage is Russian.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: rebekahm28 on Saturday 27 February 16 23:35 GMT (UK)
APOLOGIES for late reply. Much going on and I've just come back to genealogy and this site. Jamcat, helo again and I hope 2016 finds you well. You may have something there. I've scoured the passenger lists and nothing. Even under Waldis and Waldeman, his birthday, and his stepfathers surname Swensson/Swenson. Every variety. Pinefamily: The name Krilovs is Latvian, and Krilov is Russian. I had a DNA test through Ancestry a few months ago and I have a speck of Scandinavian blood but nearly 50% Eastern European...... so he had links to Sweden but certainly Latvia or v nearby...Estonia possibly. He claimed on his marriage cert that he was born in Sweden, and we know he spoke fluent Swedish, his stepfather was Swedish also. He claimed to have gone to boarding school in Stockholm. It's possible that he was born in or near Latvia then went to Sweden as a young child. His natural father (a merchant navy captain dealing in fish) died when Waldis/Valdis/Walter was a child.  Thankyou for replying!
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: pinefamily on Saturday 27 February 16 23:58 GMT (UK)
Have you contacted the National Archives at Kew to make sure you cannot get his natualization records?
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: rebekahm28 on Saturday 27 February 16 23:59 GMT (UK)
Yes, giving them all the info I had but theres no trace.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: pinefamily on Sunday 28 February 16 01:46 GMT (UK)
I know it's a long shot, but perhaps contact the Latvian embassy to see if there would be birth records available for that era, and where to contact. They might even be able to help with the language barrier.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 28 February 16 09:43 GMT (UK)
Hi
I remember you mentioning some time ago that Walter's wife (I think it was) is reluctant in helping out, but if we are going to crack this we need help. If we have Walter's mother's name that would help a lot.

Ian

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: rebekahm28 on Sunday 28 February 16 11:03 GMT (UK)
Walter's mum was called Annette. Maiden name unknown. He seems to have disposed of his birth cert and ID at some point, presumably after marrying in England in 1956.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 28 February 16 11:13 GMT (UK)
Do you know when Walter came to England the first time?

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 28 February 16 11:14 GMT (UK)
Just re-read your first post..... no need to answer.
Thanks.

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: rebekahm28 on Sunday 28 February 16 12:43 GMT (UK)
Just wanted to add, first post says born 1928, but it may have been 1926 depending who we listen to... yes he came over to London approx 1946 before returning home for some reason for a while, then came over but this time settled in Notts, so poss got off the boat in Hull .
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: rebekahm28 on Monday 11 April 16 19:05 BST (UK)
Just wanted to update this, no new info (despite scouring the electoral registers in London for the years he lived there and Swedish records on Familysearch.)
Ive now had a DNA test and uploaded the raw DNA onto Gedmatch, its thrown up a match for Sweden...Ive contacted the lady and the Swedish surnames in her family aren't Krilovs (they are Rooth, Krook and Melander) but I feel like Ive clutched at a tiny straw that may lead to something bigger. My DNA is roughly 50% British and just under 50% Eastern European, with only a small bit of Scandinavian. So I think Valdis/Walter's parents were probably Latvian, with one of them being half Swedish. From the forenames I'd say his father was Latvian and his mother half Swedish, sadly we dont know her maiden name. So its unknown if the father was a captain in the Latvian or the Swedish merchant navy. I was told Walter's mum died by 1956.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 11 April 16 20:36 BST (UK)
Hi
I have access to the Swedish death database so if you can by any means find the name of Walter's mother we then have a chance to find her.... maiden or married name


Ian
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: rebekahm28 on Monday 11 April 16 20:40 BST (UK)
I wish  :( Her forename was Annette but nobody knows (or will tell me...) her maiden name.  I have a world sub to Find My Past now; I've run the names Rooth, Krook and Melander through but no Annette's come up that fit. Her second husband was a Mr Swensson/Svensson/associated spellings.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 12 April 16 13:03 BST (UK)
I was told Walter's mum died by 1956.

Hi
Just trying to get some concrete info.

You say by 1956. Do you think she was living in 1951 as there are new databases avaliable now. I think you said some time ago that Walter went back to Sweden to visit his mother around the 1940's. Are you certain she was living in Sweden when she died?

Ian

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: rebekahm28 on Thursday 14 April 16 23:24 BST (UK)
The way Im thinking is that my mother was born 1956 and it was mentioned/known that Valdis' mother (who my mother was named after) had already died by then. Valdis had married in Jan 1956 with none of his Swedish family or friends present and we know he didnt correspond with anyone over there either, or certainly not from 1956 onwards. Before marriage he was at Sherwood settlement hostel (for foreign workers) but they havent kept records.  When Valdis originally came over just after WW2, he arrived in London (cant see him on electoral rolls), then returned to Sweden. Then came back over for good, settling in Notts. (Poss arrived at Hull?) There are many reasons why he may have gone back home, maybe a failed relationship or disillusioned with life in England, but I did think that it may have been the death of his mother because she probably died in that time period. He was born 1926 and she died by 1956 so she probably wasn't elderly unless she had him late in life. I cant know for sure she was in Sweden when she died but its more than likely, she had remarried a Swedish man after her husbands death who treated Valdis very badly and packed him off to boarding school. I cant imagine her going back to Latvia and Im thinking she was half Swedish because of the DNA test I had, also the name Aleksander is more native to Latvia wheras Annette is more popular in Sweden than Latvia.
Ive just emailed a west Latvian newspaper that's local to the Navy base. Which site has the Swedish death database, I may be looking in the wrong place within a site?
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 14 April 16 23:47 BST (UK)
Which site has the Swedish death database, I may be looking in the wrong place within a site?

I own a copy of the death database. If she died in Sweden she will be there. There are a number of Annette Svenssons.

Ian
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: rebekahm28 on Friday 15 April 16 00:34 BST (UK)
Ok, alternative spellings are Swenson and Swensson, also Svenson. I did wonder if they lived near the sea considering her 1st husbands naval links and Annette herself may have had a father in the navy, it was common to 'marry in'.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 15 April 16 00:37 BST (UK)
Her surname would have been Svensson. Do you know of a possible middle name?

Ian

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: rebekahm28 on Friday 15 April 16 11:35 BST (UK)
No, I wish I did. I wondered if her son Valdis Valdeman was named after relatives seeing as he wasnt named Aleksander after his father, nothing ever comes up no matter where I search. It occurred to me that she may have named Valdis in her will - BUT chances are it all went to her husband if he was still alive which he may have been if she died in her 50s. Valdis didnt seem to have money in England, or at least not by 1956, although of course he still may have been left something, then I know Ive got the right Annette.
I dont know anything about the navy only what I read online, but Aleksander and Annette were in Sweden when Valdis was born (his stepfather later changed the name to Waldis Waldeman to make him sound more Swedish and gave him the Svensson/Swenson surname, Valdis changed this back when he came to England for the 2nd time but I cant see Naturalisation records. I did apply but they have no record and he destroyed his birth cert at some point.) I digress, Aleksander died AT SEA when Valdis was 'small', I dont know what age. This would have been the Baltic sea and I dont know if it was the Swedish or Latvian navy.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 15 April 16 12:52 BST (UK)
I will see if I can find the right channels to have someone look into the 1940 "census" records if possible. I have access to 1920, 1950 and 1960s records. It may be possible to find the family there. We'll see.

Ian

 
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: rebekahm28 on Friday 15 April 16 13:36 BST (UK)
Jamcat please private message me if there are costs involved and I will sort this immediately. Really appreciate this. Im getting married next Saturday and I still feel part of the jigsaw is 'missing' probably especially because other countries and cultures are involved. Thankyou.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 15 April 16 13:38 BST (UK)
No worries and have a nice day next week.

Ian

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: rebekahm28 on Friday 15 April 16 19:46 BST (UK)
 ;) I hope we will, thankyou.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 30 May 16 20:32 BST (UK)
Hi
I have now got back the replies with unfortunately only one that could help you really. Not the answer we are looking for though.....

The guy wrote that the census years for 1935, 1940 and 1945 are not digitized and therefore not searchable. He did say that the parish must be known to be able to locate Walter.

I am sorry to say that this is another dead end.


Ian


Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: rebekahm28 on Tuesday 31 May 16 10:57 BST (UK)
I was thinking about you the other day! Thankyou so much for trying, as usual I appreciate this so much. I'm looking into orphanages around Stockholm now, thinking this boarding school he went to may have been a foster placement, seeing as his father had died and he was unwanted by his stepfather. I find it so bizarre there's nothing when I searched the London electoral roll and the immigration lists, also naturalisation records. I'm also looking at merchant navy vessels that sunk, collided or exploded 1926-36, Valdis' 'Walter''s  father died at sea.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 31 May 16 11:31 BST (UK)
Hi

The only thing I can help you now with is that you contact StadsArkiv in Stockholm. I have looked through many of their archives but with no luck.
Here is their site: http://stadsarkivet.stockholm.se/besok-oss/in-english/
There is an orphan archive but doesn't cover Walter's years unfortunately.

You can also ask for experts to look into it for 900SEK an hour. Very expensive I know, but maybe worth it.

I will keep looking, something may pop up. If you find anything new yourself please let me know and I will check it out for you.


Ian

 
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: seaweed on Tuesday 31 May 16 11:53 BST (UK)
I'm also looking at merchant navy vessels that sunk, collided or exploded 1926-36, valdis' father died at sea.

If it was a Merchant vessel. With a little patience you should be able to find the ship, (presuming of course he did not die from cause's other than the reasons you have expounded), by looking at "Lloyd's List". Lloyd's List records ship losses worldwide on a daily basis. It can be obtained on line on a free 14 day trial from
http://newspaperarchive.com/uk/middlesex/london/london-lloyd-list/1855/09-27/

If it was a British merchant ship it should be fairly easy to obtain the vessels logbook and crew agreement.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Tuesday 31 May 16 20:10 BST (UK)
Jamcat - you're a star, thankyou for your time and patience.
Seaweed - we're not sure of the cause of death, clutching at many straws :) Aleksander was in the Swedish or possibly Latvian (or slightly possibly Estonian or Lithuanian) navy, my knowledge of Lloyds is limited but I'll search - thankyou for your advice and link!
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 12 January 19 12:36 GMT (UK)
Hi rebekahm28

The 1940 Census database has been released now which I eagerly started looking for Walter. I thought this would be a way to find him, but alas no.
I cannot find anything for a Walter, Valdis, Valdeman with all the possible surnames, not even for Annette.
Did Annette start a new family? Did she die in the 50s?
Is it possible that Annette remarried again and then having a different surname.
Have you found anymore new info yourself?
I wonder what occupation Walter had here in Sweden?

Ian
 
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Saturday 12 January 19 13:37 GMT (UK)
Ian - Im going to private message if thats ok.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 12 January 19 13:48 GMT (UK)
That's fine.

Ian

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 12 January 19 14:13 GMT (UK)
of all the Waldis/Valdis christian names in the 1940 database only about 10 are men and about 100 are women.
And none Valdeman/Waldeman as christian names.

Ian

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Saturday 12 January 19 14:42 GMT (UK)
Thanks Ian I do appreciate it.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 12 January 19 14:53 GMT (UK)
According to the deceased database there were 236 Annettes, 3 Annetes, 1 Anete and 377 Anettes deaths between 1950-1958.

Ian

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Saturday 12 January 19 14:58 GMT (UK)
I could be looking at 'Anette' as that seems a popular spelling then.   Valdis would have been 12-14 yrs approx at time of census so if in boarding school he wouldnt have been listed with her.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 12 January 19 15:00 GMT (UK)
True.
I had already tried searching with them together just in case.

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 12 January 19 15:21 GMT (UK)
Looking at boarding schools in the database only 1 came up. It was called Viggbyholms Internatskola in Stockholm but no sign of a Walter etc there either.

Ian

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 12 January 19 15:26 GMT (UK)
Here is the history of the school from a newspaper. I have used Google translate:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n8s/

Ian

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Saturday 12 January 19 15:28 GMT (UK)
Really appreciate you looking Ian. Im looking at Arkiv Digital and will take a sub out, hoping its easy to navigate, seems like looking for a needle in a haystack. Im thinking of the Swedish and Latvian embassies now, I may contact them asking if I can have the birth cert re-issued. I'll look at that school link now, you dont miss much :)

I'd previously contacted Sigtuna school.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 12 January 19 18:19 GMT (UK)
How are you getting on with ArkivDigital?


Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Saturday 12 January 19 18:26 GMT (UK)
Not subscribed yet. Its hard generally for Sweden because I dont have an exact location. Going to have another mooch around it tomorrow thanks.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946
Post by: Alex017 on Saturday 12 January 19 18:42 GMT (UK)
The name Krilovs is Latvian, and Krilov is Russian.

Krilov (Крылов) is Russian surname for sure. In 1930s non-Lettish people's surnames in Latvia were changed "according to Lettish grammar rules" by adding 'S' ending (nowadays Latvian authorities do just the same thing - they do change all foreign names in Latvia). So Krilov became Krilovs. Aleksander Krilov (Александр Крылов) was Russian with no doubt. He could have emigrated to Latvia from Russia after Russian revolution, or maybe he lived there before 1917.
It is possible also that Aleksander and Annette wanted to name  their son Владимир/Vladimir/Valdemar but couldn't do that because of Latvian nationalist internal policy, so they named him with Latvian name Valdis (and this is Latvian one for sure).
Yet, could Waldeman be Waldemar?

Just searched 'Krilovs' in Latvian 1918-40 citizens database
http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/en.html (http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/en.html)   - Contents -> Databases
None is Aleksandr. (see screenshot)

You can contact Latvian State Historical Archive
http://www.arhivi.lv/index.php?&110 (http://www.arhivi.lv/index.php?&110)

You can also visit Russian genealogy website to seek some help
http://forum.vgd.ru/index.php?ct=6&f=0 (http://forum.vgd.ru/index.php?ct=6&f=0)
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 12 January 19 19:33 GMT (UK)
What was his name on his marriage certificate?
Was this the same name used when he first arrived in the UK?
Also, did he get naturalised before or after his marriage?

Ian

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Saturday 12 January 19 20:42 GMT (UK)
Ian, Valdis' fathers name was on the marriage cert yes (Aleksander). We dont know what name he used when he arrived in the UK. Valdis Valdeman and Waldis on marriage and death certs and Waldeman W in phonebook. No birth/baptism cert or passport etc found in his possession when he passed away. He never said when he was naturalised although I believe he would have needed to be in the country 5 continual years first? If Im correct. Cant find a record anyhow.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Saturday 12 January 19 20:46 GMT (UK)
ALEX, many thanks. I did think it was Valdeman and Waldeman being the Swedish version as he had actually said the name to us as being his middle name as well as seeing it on documents but yes I see your point. I have googled and Valdeman is a German name - I have 7% German DNA and was thinking Latvians used to speak German, so poss a connection and maybe was someone's maiden surname in the family even. Thankyou for the links, I'll spend time on this. And the Krilovs list! Have saved it in case anything ever happens to this website. Aleksander was no doubt dead by late 1920s or early 1930s, he died at sea when Valdis ''was young''. Valdis being born either 1926 or 1928.   I have no Russian blood according to Ancestry DNA but high Baltic and were are Krilovs living in Gaujiena parish, attempts on Facebook to contact them have come to nothing. Ive joined the Latvian DNA group on there.

This is interesting you say in the 1930s they changed foreign names... I had assumed by then Valdis would be in Sweden with his widowed mum or recently remarried mum; but if the surname was changed then perhaps he was still in Latvia. He claimed to have been born in Sweden and did talk about a boarding school there, spoke Swedish and sailed to UK from Gothenburg.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 12 January 19 20:48 GMT (UK)
I'm just trying to work out why I can't find him in the databases. He might not have been in Sweden then or he wasn't recorded.
Are you sure if he was a Walter in Sweden?

Ian

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Saturday 12 January 19 20:55 GMT (UK)
We just dont know sorry. Poss a Walter in Sweden but maybe just used that when he came to UK.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 12 January 19 20:58 GMT (UK)
Ok

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: Alex017 on Sunday 13 January 19 10:41 GMT (UK)
Germans lived in Latvia since Middle Ages. They built castles and towns, while Latvians were peasants untill the late 19th cent. Even after Latvia became a part of Russia in 18th cent. , German language remained main in documents and economics  for another 100 years after that (btw, Latvian language is neither German nor Slavonic).
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There were 4 censuses in Latvia: in 1920, 1925, 1930 and 1935.
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Here's what I thought: perhaps A. Krilov(s) had relatives. Maybe some of them stayed in Russia.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Sunday 13 January 19 12:18 GMT (UK)
Thanks Alex, Im hoping for a closer match with DNA one day, its still hard as without locations and many names or birth years I dont know who Im looking for. Had a match from the Volga river valley who ended up in Russia. But Im on a mission to fit the jigsaw and find out who I am, thankyou so much. Always had an avid interest in Russia even as a child was obsessed with Russian ballerinas and gymnasts.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: Alex017 on Monday 14 January 19 07:34 GMT (UK)
I have asked on Russian forum about changing non-Lettish names in Latvia ("lettishization") yesterday. Someone living in Riga has responded to me that adding S ending had been practised  in Latvia (but not always) long before the independence. As an example he added the Russian Emperor Nicholas' 1905 year manifest in Lettish language with S at the end of Emperor's name.

"Since 1918 all names had been begun to be written in passports and other documents with Lettish endings. In the very first years of independence these endings had sometimes been omitted, but this [omitting] had faded rapidly"
http://forum.vgd.ru/post/29/28196/p2849137.htm#pp2849137 (http://forum.vgd.ru/post/29/28196/p2849137.htm#pp2849137)

I also think that Aleksander's surname was just Krilov before 1918, he didn't need to add S even if he lived in Latvia because official language was Russian.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Monday 14 January 19 14:16 GMT (UK)
Thankyou Alex. I come across Krilov constantly and did think there has to be a link. My DNA does give a few Latvian matches and Latvian and German results rather than Russian, only a couple of distant Russian matches.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: Alex017 on Monday 14 January 19 21:52 GMT (UK)
OK. Everything was possible. There lived people of many nationalities in the North West of Russia and many Germans as well (hundreds of thousands in whole Russia in the early 20th cent.), especially in St Petersburg, because it was Russian capital until 1918. 

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 15 January 19 00:44 GMT (UK)
Hi
I have really tried to find Valdis in the 1940 and even tried the 1950 census database but he doesn't seem to be in them. I have gone through literally thousands of persons with all possible variations of his names. I've got a feeling that he might not have been in Sweden in 1940 or he wasn't recorded. I've even gone through all persons born in Estonia, Lithuania, Russia and Latvia between 1915 and 1935 and still nothing.
Unless he wasn't named as Walter/Valdis/Valdeman and variations or his dob was recorded incorrectly it will be extremely difficult to find him.

What was his surname recorded on his marriage and death certificates?
Where did the Svensson surname info come from?


Ian
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Tuesday 15 January 19 14:58 GMT (UK)
Ian you've done enough for me and I do appreciate it :( it's like he dropped off the moon, people dont believe when I say no trace can be found but it's all so bizarre/mysterious.  Looking at dna, unlikely to be Lithuanian I now think. On marriage AND death surname was Krilovs.  Swensson/Svensson? was the name of the stepfather and it was my belief that Valdis/Waldis would have had to use that name while in Sweden. He claimed to have been naturalised in London but I can see no trace, wasnt sure what surname he came over with BUT ended up with Krilovs. Which is indeed a Latvian name so may well have been original spelling of fathers name, I cant see the clerk just making it up. Although as explained previously he was angry that the clerk spelt his name wrong and not the new 'readable' way he had intended so that British people would be able to pronounce it... he asked for Crylovs/Cryloves.Which still seems unusual!
Considering the controlled unhappy childhood he had. Our lives mirror each other quite a bit and I identify with him, it keeps me carrying on with all this. I dont think you can do anything else now, its taken so much of your time but we do appreciate it.
Title: Re: Sweden to England
Post by: rebekahm28 on Tuesday 15 January 19 14:59 GMT (UK)
I accept there are no passenger lists (or so I think) for passengers from Sweden to London in 1946, but is there any way I can trace my grandad?   He was born 1928 as Valdis Valdeman Krilovs, his father died very shortly after his birth. His mother remarried and he became Valdis or Waldis Swensson.  He was born in a place beginning with 'V' in Sweden (that could be the village, town or district, no-one knows), came to London in 1946 and went back again a few years later. He returned to London c1951 for good, possibly changing his name from Swensson to Krilovs. He died 1981, having destroyed all his I.D.  Naturalization records at Kew is a possibility, but wouldnt there be a 100 year secrecy ruling on them?  I know he attended a boarding school in Stockholm but I dont speak Swedish and dont know if they'd give me records anyway, plus I couldnt translate them...even if I knew where the school is/was. His parents were Aleksander and Annette Krilovs, his father was a naval captain but all avenues have been explored there, and he's untraceable.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Tuesday 15 January 19 15:13 GMT (UK)
(The original first post appears to have been put up again, sorry...only have options to edit not delete for some reason.)
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: Alex017 on Tuesday 15 January 19 16:47 GMT (UK)
Aleksandrs Krilovs in Latvia, 1928.

Tried to find something about shipwrecks in Latvian newspapers and was thinking why Valdis had destroyed all his IDs.
“Maybe he didn’t want to reveal info about Aleksander for some reason? Maybe Aleksander had left his wife? What if Aleksander didn’t perish at sea and this story about him was told to little Valdis just to explain why his father didn’t live with him?”
Then found this:
http://www.periodika.lv//#searchResults;simpleQuery=Krilovs (http://www.periodika.lv//#searchResults;simpleQuery=Krilovs)
left panel -> Date -> 1928

http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-viewer/view/index-dev.html?lang=fr#issueType:P|issue:/p_001_wawe1928n125|article:DIVL145|query:Krilovs|panel:pa (http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-viewer/view/index-dev.html?lang=fr#issueType:P|issue:/p_001_wawe1928n125|article:DIVL145|query:Krilovs|panel:pa)

Asked for help with translation
http://forum.vgd.ru/post/56/20683/p2850604.htm#pp2850604 (http://forum.vgd.ru/post/56/20683/p2850604.htm#pp2850604)

Meklējamo personu saraksts Ns 366
25599. Krilovs, Aleksandrs, Miķeļa d., dz.
15. 1 1907. g, — Ventspils kara apr. pr-ka r.
JVs 2013. no 11. V 28. (21. V 28.), atrāvies no
karakl. izpild. š. g. febr. mēnesī. — Apcietināt.

Wanted persons list #366
25599. Krilovs, Aleksandrs, Michael’s son, born
15 Jan 1907 – Ventspils uyezd military chief’s Resolution # JVs 2013 , 11.V.28 (21.V.28),
evaded to perform military service in the February this year. – Must be arrested.
uyezd is an administrative district
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Tuesday 15 January 19 17:10 GMT (UK)
Alex - This has also gone through my mind, was 'dead at sea' just a convenient story. Maybe Valdis was told this by his mother or maybe he knew the truth (if it is the truth). I did believe it to be honest, because she re-married, but if her first marriage had been in Latvia and second in Sweden I suppose she could get away with it in those days if Aleksander was actually still alive. Then I thought, if it's true he would have died between the wars (as Im told he died when Valdis 'was little'). Then I considered that he could have been killed in a collision or explosion, or even natural causes. We dont know when he was born but as he was a captain (as Valdis put on the marriage cert) he would have been in the navy a while. Also wondered why Annette had no more kids, did she have Valdis late in life or just not have anymore.
 Pointless me asking family as they aren't and weren't interested, Im the family-orientated one. Their memories arent the best either and nobody wanted to ask his widow as she refused to talk about it. Im going to look at the link, this is a good find thankyou!! It says Aleksander born 1907, that might make him too young to have been a captain by the late 1920s as I think you have to be in the navy a while. God knows whats true, I have to go on what Ive got. Valdis was superstitious (naval traits) and loved fishing and being by water. No religion at all was practised, or references to Latvia.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: Alex017 on Tuesday 15 January 19 17:44 GMT (UK)
Krilov is very common name in Russia. Of course, I don't insist this A. Krilovs mentioned in the newspaper is the one you are searching.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Tuesday 15 January 19 17:58 GMT (UK)
Thankyou, even that info is helpful, I didn't know it was very common.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: Alex017 on Thursday 17 January 19 16:14 GMT (UK)
This is about land possession or inheriting (I didnt ask for translation):
Galīgi piešķirtās zemes

Filips Krilovs
Jaunlatgales apr.(county) Baltinavas pag.[asts] (village) Šķilbanu muižā.
Vasilijs Krilovs
Jaunlatgales apr. Baltinavas pag. Orlovas muižā.
http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-viewer/view/index-dev.html?lang=fr#panel:pa|issue:/p_001_zive1928n277|article:DIVL55|query:Krilovs|issueType:P (http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-viewer/view/index-dev.html?lang=fr#panel:pa|issue:/p_001_zive1928n277|article:DIVL55|query:Krilovs|issueType:P)

Krilovs Miķelis
Krilovs Andrejs
Jaunlatgales apr. Purvmalas pag. Dubnovas muižā.
http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-viewer/view/index-dev.html?lang=fr#panel:pa|issue:/p_001_zive1928n275|article:DIVL55|query:Krilovs|issueType:P (http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-viewer/view/index-dev.html?lang=fr#panel:pa|issue:/p_001_zive1928n275|article:DIVL55|query:Krilovs|issueType:P)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Jaunlatgale.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Jaunlatgale.jpg)

I think you have seen Aleksandrs Krilovs' grave in Gaujiena on Myheritage.com
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As you see, all men's names have S ending. That's because all masculine nouns should have S ending in the nominative singular in Lettish. So Aleksander would have been Aleksandrs in Latvia.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: Alex017 on Thursday 17 January 19 16:22 GMT (UK)
Krilovs in Riga, 1928
http://gramatas.lndb.lv/periodika2-viewer/view/index-dev.html?lang=en#panel:pp|issue:/g_001_0302051759|page:538 (http://gramatas.lndb.lv/periodika2-viewer/view/index-dev.html?lang=en#panel:pp|issue:/g_001_0302051759|page:538)

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: brigidmac on Thursday 17 January 19 18:35 GMT (UK)
I was wondering about your DNA matches
What results do you get when you put in location matches ?

I.m also researching Latvian relatives .
If the tree owners know the town of their ancestors origins it could help you with some of your guesses.

I have now traced american descendants of great great grandfather ....sometimes they know exact birth town of their ancestors sometimmes admin district Riga often they have Russia not Latvia as country of origin and 2 had  grandparents place of birth as england because thsts what was on immigration record tho actually they were born in Courland Latvia.

If you can identify potential latvian.great grandparents and their siblings from other peoples trees maybe you will be able to work out who Alexander Krylov was and where he went If he was an army deserter that would be a good reason to hide identity .Good luck ...dont give up things turn up uexpectedly ....
Ps have either of your parents had dna tests ....i found results from.my mothets dna which did not show up in mine .
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Thursday 17 January 19 18:55 GMT (UK)
I have Latvian, German (4.2 generation), Finnish, Russian.... you should join the facebook groups Latvian genealogy and Latvian dna. The dna group runs a spreadsheet matching Gedmatch numbers to each other. No I cant identify great grandparents through dna yet but hopefully one day I can. As previous posts have said, he was a naval captain. Parents refused dna tests, thanks.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 18 January 19 16:50 GMT (UK)
Hi rebekahm28

You can now try yourself to look through the databases etc this weekend. It is free between Friday to Sunday 18-19 Jan.


https://www.arkivdigital.net/products/adonline/try-for-free


Ian

Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: Alex017 on Saturday 19 January 19 09:59 GMT (UK)
Latvian cemetery database
https://www.cemety.lv/public/deceaseds?utf8=✓&q=Krilov&button=&region=&cemetery= (https://www.cemety.lv/public/deceaseds?utf8=✓&q=Krilov&button=&region=&cemetery=)
I have put Krilovs, Krilov and Крылов into searhbox to get more results.

Jaunlatgale seems to be not included cos it was ceded to Pskov region in 1944.
Title: Re: Sweden to England, 1946 Valdis Valdeman Krilovs
Post by: rebekahm28 on Saturday 19 January 19 13:17 GMT (UK)
Thankyou, will look at links now, was away overnight. Have a great weekend all.