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Title: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 06 May 09 14:36 BST (UK)
From the main thread:
2462 Private Walter PHEASANT
Born: Bow, London
NOK: R.F. PHEASANT (father)
Address: 4 Barry Ave, Stamford Hill, London
NOK: Ethel PHEASANT (sister)
Address: 15 Trellis St, Malmsbury Rd, Bow, London

1901 census:RG13/341/21/34

RIchard F Pheasant  H  Mar  44  Tailor  bn CIty
Mary Pheasant W  Mar  43  bn City
Richard A Pheasant  Son  19  clerk  bn Bromley
Ethel Pheasant  Dau  17  Reeler  bn Bromley
Maud M Pheasant  Dau  16  Reeler  bn Bromley
ALbert G Pheasant  Son  14  Messenger boy  bn Bromley
Lily Pheasant  Dau  12 bn Sydenham
Rose Pheasant  Dau  9 bn Sydenham
Walter Peasant  Son  7 bn Finsbury
Daisy Pheasant  Dau  5  bn Bow

Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 06 May 09 14:42 BST (UK)
Hope you don't mind if I add this Spidermonkey:

From the other thread:
Of the 192 Australians believed buried at Pheasant Wood, Fromelles, quite a number were originally born in the UK.   Although a few emigrated with their immediate families, many listed their next of kin as still residing in various parts of the UK.

If anyone is able to assist with locating descendants who may still reside in the UK, we would be exceptionally grateful to hear from you.

Original thread here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,379339.0.html
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 06 May 09 14:47 BST (UK)
Thanks for linking Ruskie!

Lily Pheasant mar Henry de Grey Jun qtr 1916 Marylebone 1a 1321
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: nanny jan on Wednesday 06 May 09 14:55 BST (UK)
Hi,

Possible marriages

for sister Ethel:

Ethel Pheasant     SepQ 1919   Poplar  1c  970   (from FreeBMD)

Groom:  Walter  H Lygo

sister Maud M:

Maud M Pheasant  SepQ 1911 Poplar 1c  812      (FreeBMD)

Groom:  Thomas W Brown  or  Harry J Sanderson


Nanny Jan
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: nanny jan on Wednesday 06 May 09 15:05 BST (UK)
Possible Sanderson birth  (mother Pheasant )  in 1920; so could be living.


Nanny Jan
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: nanny jan on Wednesday 06 May 09 15:17 BST (UK)
Marriage for Richard A?

Richard A Pheasant   SepQ 1909    West Ham  4a   535     (FreeBMD)

Bride:  Elizabeth Hannah Dye   


Births:  Lucy M Pheasant (mother Dye)   Dec 1911   West Ham     4a   62 
            Olive  A      "                   "            Dec 1914   West Ham     4a  527
            Sylvia I       "                   "           Dec 1916    West Ham     4a  565
           Richard E     "                   "          Mar 1919     Romford        4a   674   


Nanny Jan     
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 06 May 09 19:35 BST (UK)
Additional child from the 1911 census is Elsie Pheasant aged 8/ bn1903
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 06 May 09 19:42 BST (UK)
Don't know whether this will be of use in finding a descendant but there is a Albert George Pheasant on the El Uruguayo, returning to Plymouth in May 1916 from Argentina.  He gives his address as 4 Barry Avenue, Stamford Hill.
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: Spidermonkey on Wednesday 06 May 09 20:34 BST (UK)
Walter's father had the unusual middle name of Farnell.  There's a couple of trees with a Richard Farnell Pheasant in, but no recent activity on them

Edited to add:  have sent an email to someone with RFP in their tree.  One of the hardest emails that I have ever had to write - just couldn't find the words to say what I meant  :-\
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: majm on Thursday 07 May 09 12:10 BST (UK)
Hi SpiderMonkey

I have just sent the following message to various GR members.  Twas not easy, but within a couple of hours, one reply back already, and tis for a possible contact for Walter!

This is the "gist" of  my outgoing message: (In this instance I had searched for Walter's Dad) but I have done it on several of the other lads too.

Hello, there, I notice you have Richard listed on your tree. Are you aware if his son undertook military service during WW1. Perhaps he was the Walter that various people are researching as it may be he was in the Australian Army and served in France during WW1.

I am not related to him, I am aware though that his name is included in a list of men that are currently being researched in anticipation of making contact with descendants. Please consider checking out the Fromelles website http://www.fromelles.net/

Please let me know if I am right or wrong in thinking this may be your lad.

Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: Spidermonkey on Thursday 07 May 09 12:15 BST (UK)
Oh well done!  Hopefully this will yield some results.  Shall we consider this one to be on hold for the time being (just so that the same descendants don't get thousands of emails  ;)).  If our contacts don't work out, then we can always start looking again.

On to the next one!

Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: majm on Thursday 07 May 09 12:37 BST (UK)
Hi SpiderMonkey,

I have sent pm to Sandra, but I think this thread for Walter Pheasant should stay wide open, as I sent to all the GR contacts I could see, in hope that someone on the direct line would reply.  So far the one who has responded is connected via marriage.

But, if you start a new thread for one of the other lads, my OH and I will try to help there too.

Just Moi.
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: Spidermonkey on Thursday 07 May 09 12:47 BST (UK)
Definitely should stay open - I didn't mean this thread to be locked, just that I would leave it for the time being to see if any of the contacts responded and we'd struck gold.
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: fedelmar on Friday 08 May 09 09:41 BST (UK)
This is what I have in my file on PHEASANT :)
________________________________

NAME   Pheasant, Walter      
SN   2462      
RANK    Private      
UNIT   54 Bn      
HONOUR   Standard Entitlements      
BORN   Bow London England      
OCCUPATION   Chef      
RELIGION   Anglican      
         
DOE   26.05.1915 Liverpool NSW      
AGE   21      
         
STATUS   KIA      
DATE   19.07.1916      
AGE   22      
BURIED   Unknown      
MEMORIAL   VC Corner Cemetery Memorial panel 11
   AWM 159
   
DESCRIPTION   5 foot 8 with brown hair
   
NOTES   Arrived in Australia aged 17

NOK   Father: Richard F Pheasant
   Known address: Stamford Hill London N16

   Mother: Mary Pheasant

   Brother**: Richard Pheasant (twin)

   Sister**: Ethel Pheasant (twin)
   Known address 1941: 15 Trellis St Malmsbury Rd Bow E3 London

   Sister: Maud M Pheasant

   Brother: Albert G Pheasant

   Sister: Lily Pheasant

   Sister: Rose Pheasant

   Sister: Daisy Pheasant
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: majm on Saturday 09 May 09 06:09 BST (UK)
Sorry again...

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,375453.0.html
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: majm on Sunday 10 May 09 05:02 BST (UK)
Hi All,

Walters possible birth registration may be July to Sept Qtr 1894 Pheasant Walter John Clun 6a 525

Thanks to a contact on a different website who replied to my email to them re Richard Pheasant .

The contact also added the following: passenger transcript details Walter J PHEASANT departure: 27 May 1913 ex Liverpool  to  Quebec, Canada at age 19 Occupation: Farm Labourer Passenger recorded on: Page 6 of 48.  I am sure we all hope this may help the search. 

JM


Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: majm on Sunday 10 May 09 05:49 BST (UK)
Bit More

I have re-read the info sent to me, and realise that the ship to Canada was Laurentic,   -  J Mathias White Star Dominion Montreal, Canada

Hoping that helps, just need to get Walter from Canada to NSW.

Just Moi.
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: majm on Monday 11 May 09 03:50 BST (UK)
Bit More,

The contact who gave me the info re Walter's voyage to Canada has confirmed that he was son of Richard Farnell Pheasant. 

That contact intends joining rootschat shortly, so perhaps there will be more information and genie clues and DNA clues too.

Still trying to get him from Canada to NSW.

Just Moi.
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: LadyKira on Monday 11 May 09 23:48 BST (UK)
Hi I am the contact for Just Moi
I have Richard Pheasant in my tree. Richard's brother John Farnell Pheasant married one of my Thynne line.

I have some further ideas to track relatives. I could put out a thread onGR and on Curious Fox.
LadyKira
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: majm on Tuesday 12 May 09 00:34 BST (UK)
Welcome LadyKira,

Welcome to rootschat, and thank you for posting on this thread. 

Just Moi
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: LadyKira on Tuesday 12 May 09 01:03 BST (UK)
I have now posted  a thread on the Trying to find Message Board.
Now who should I put anyone in contact with?
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: majm on Tuesday 12 May 09 01:56 BST (UK)
Hi LadyKira,

There's fedelmer on this thread who has the fromelles missing database and would be the best person to contact.  (I have snipped the quote, but it is found in full earlier on this thread).  You can send her a pm by clicking on the button under her avatar and following the prompts.  Again, thank you for following up on our initial contact with you through the commercial site.  JM.

This is what I have in my file on PHEASANT :) ..............
   
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: LadyKira on Tuesday 12 May 09 09:56 BST (UK)
Census info I have gathered on the family

1841Address: Labour In Vain Court, St Mary Mounthaw, London
PHEASANT, Rd M 40  1801     
PHEASANT, Mary F 40  1801  Middlesex   
PHEASANT, Mary F 13  1828  Middlesex
PHEASANT, Emma F 11  1830  Middlesex
PHEASANT, Elizh F 8  1833  Middlesex
PHEASANT, Rich M 5  1836  Middlesex


1861
Address: 52, Water Lane, St Anns Blackfriars, London
PHEASANT, John ... Head Married M 35  1826 Tailor
 City Of London   
PHEASANT, Mary Ann Wife Married F 37  1824 Tailors Wife
 ... 
STRINGER, Mary Ann Daughter Unmarried F 13  1848 Tailoress
 City Of London   
PHEASANT, John T Son Unmarried M 11  1850 Scholar
 City Of London 
PHEASANT, Emma ... Daughter Unmarried F 9  1852 Scholar
 City Of London 
PHEASANT, Joseph ... Son  M 7  1854 Scholar
 City Of London 
PHEASANT, Richard Son Unmarried M 5  1856 Scholar
 City Of London 
PHEASANT, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 3  1858
 City Of London 
NORMAN, George Lodger Unmarried M 24  1837 ...
 ...
Surrey

1871 Address: Ireland Yard, St Ann Blackfriars, London
PHEASANT, John F Head  M 46  1825  Yorkshire 
PHEASANT, Mary A Wife  F 48  1823  County Durham   
PHEASANT, John F Son  M 22  1849  Middlesex 
PHEASANT, Emma F Daughter  F 19  1852  Middlesex 
PHEASANT, Joseph R Son  M 17  1854  Middlesex   
PHEASANT, Elizabeth Daughter  F 13  1858  Middlesex   
PHEASANT, Richard Son  M 15  1856  Middlesex   
PHEASANT, William B Son  M 7  1864  Middlesex   
NORMAN, George Boarder  M 34  1837  Essex   
TEORA, John* Boarder  M 50  1821  Ireland

1881 Address: 12 Hemsworth St, Shoreditch
PHEASANT, Richard Head Married M 25  1856 Tailor Jrnymn
 London City, London
Middlesex   
PHEASANT, Mary Wife Married F 24  1857
 Shoreditch
Middlesex   
KING, Charles Boarder Single M 21  1860 Tailor Jrnymn
 Henley
Oxfordshire

1891 Address: 14, Sydenham Road, Lewisham
PHEASANT, Richard F Head Married M 35  1856 Tailor
 London   
PHEASANT, Mary Wife Married F 34  1857
 Bishopsgate
London   
PHEASANT, Richard A Son  M 9  1882 Scholar
 Shoreditch
London 
PHEASANT, Ethel   F 7  1884 Scholar
 Shoreditch
London   
PHEASANT, Maud M   F 6  1885 Scholar
 Shoreditch
London   
PHEASANT, Albert G   M 4  1887
 Shoreditch
London   
PHEASANT, Lillian   F 2  1889
 Sydenham
Kent   
PHEASANT, George W F   M 1  1890
 Sydenham
Kent

1901 already posted

Farnell seems to have been given to a number of males in the family but it was often mistranscribed.

Richard had other siblings if the info on them is wanted.
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: majm on Thursday 14 May 09 10:28 BST (UK)
Bit More,

Some of Walter’s siblings are known to have married:
Ethel Pheasant m Walter Lygo
Maude Pheasant m Harry Sanderson
Lillian Pheasant m Henry De Grey 1916 Marylebone 1a 1321
Richard Pheasant m Elizabeth Dye

Still Searching,

Just Moi
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: LadyKira on Monday 18 May 09 09:25 BST (UK)
I have had a reply from some one doing Canada lookups as below


re your walter pheasant


the walter on the 1913 passenger lists I dont think is the same one as being killed in action is 1915 as he is on the 1916 canadian census

and the note say he went to australia aged 17 yet his age on the canadian passenger list is 19

anyway

this is the details i have found for the walter who travelled to canada



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RootsChat must deal with any breach of copyright by its members.

For some time the team of Copyright Editors has been removing breaches of copyright and sending detailed personal messages to the member that had posted the information.  Due to the volume of posts and members this is now impractical.  Messages in breach will simply be deleted and this notice posted.  We apologise for any inconvenience caused but are sure you will appreciate the importance of this issue.



So back to the drawing board on that one

oops! Suffice it to say That the one who went to Canada has been disproved as he is still there in a later census.
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: LadyKira on Wednesday 20 May 09 01:37 BST (UK)
Marriages Sep 1919   (>99%)   
Lygo  Walter H  Pheasant  Poplar  1c 970   
Pheasant  Ethel  Lygo  Poplar  1c 970

1901 Address: 8, York Place, Limehouse
LYGO, William W T Head Married M 44  1857 General Laborer
 Wapping
London   
LYGO, Emma Wife Married F 38  1863
 Redruth
Cornwall   
LYGO, Walter H Son Single M 15  1886 Railway Van Guard
 Bethnal Green
London   
LYGO, John J Son Single M 12  1889
 Bethnal Green
London   
LYGO, Samuel T Son  M 8  1893
 Ratcliff
London   
LYGO, Esther A Daughter  F 2  1899
 Limehouse
London   
LYGO, Charles R Son  M 0  (6 MOS)  1901
 Limehouse
London
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: LadyKira on Thursday 21 May 09 09:34 BST (UK)


Marriages Dec 1924   (>99%)
 
COURTNEY  Arthur W  Lygo  W. Ham  4a 366   
   
Lygo  Esther L  Courtney  W.Ham  4a 366   


Wrong line but may help with contacts.
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: majm on Saturday 30 May 09 00:28 BST (UK)
Bit More,

Not sure, but possible arrival in NSW on 15 June 1911 - a Mr W Pheasant, ex the Mamari which had left the UK from the Port of London.

We will try to find further info about that voyage and edit this post shortly.

EDIT 1
The Mamari was built 1904. 5627 tons. Shaw Savill Line.   Is this another vessel that may have been part of an immigration plan sending young men from Britain to the Dominions?  Not sure but .....

JM
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: LadyKira on Monday 09 November 09 21:58 GMT (UK)
1911
Address: 4 Olga ST 
  PHEASANT, Richard Farnell Head Married M 54 1857 Tailor's Cutter  London City   
PHEASANT, May Wife Married
31 years F 53 1858  London City   
PHEASANT, Ethel Daughter Single F 27 1884 Braid Seeler  London St Leonards   
PHEASANT, Maud Mary Daughter Single F 26 1885 Braid Seeler  London St Leonards   
PHEASANT, Lilian Daughter Single F 22 1889 Braid Seeler  Kent Sydenham   
PHEASANT, Rose Daughter Single F 19 1892 Operator On Braid Making Machine  Kent Sydenham   
PHEASANT, Walter Son Single M 17 1894 Messenger  London Finsbury   
PHEASANT, Daisy Amelia Daughter Single F 15 1896 Braid Seeler  London Old Ford   
PHEASANT, Elsie Daughter Single F 8 1903 School  Essex Leyton
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: Tjapaltjarri on Thursday 12 November 09 13:16 GMT (UK)
I've had a look at the updated Australian priority list and see this man is still on their list. I am reasonably certain I can find an mDNA connection for him if that is still required (famous last words) but it looks as if his sisters had daughters

Best,

Howdie
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: Tjapaltjarri on Thursday 19 November 09 09:45 GMT (UK)
I am now very certain that I can find an mt DNA descendant for this man but am getting no response to my query of whether this labour (of many hours) is still required

Howard
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: Tjapaltjarri on Friday 27 November 09 18:12 GMT (UK)
I have had a phone call from his niece who is willing to assist the Australian MOD with their project.

Best,

Howard
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: mollywally on Wednesday 21 April 10 03:25 BST (UK)
Hi, I am a Pheasant descendant living in Australia but am not sure whether our branch is connected to this Walter Pheasant who died at Fromelles. Is there a living descendant who wouldn't mind chatting via email to try and see what possible connections there may be? There are very few of us in Australia although many families in England. Our branch can be traced back to Bedfordshire.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: spof on Saturday 24 April 10 11:50 BST (UK)
Hello Molly

Welcome to Rootschat  :D

You're best bet would be to talk to Tim and Sandra at the Australian Fromelles Descendants website

The link to the fromelles database has been removed whilst we locate the new website link 2019 http://web.archive.org/web/20100409162945/http://www.fromelles.net

What they don't know about the families probably isn't worth knowing.

Glen
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: mollywally on Saturday 24 April 10 12:41 BST (UK)
Thanks spof, I'll have a go.
Happy Anzac Day,
mollywally
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: redolive on Monday 14 June 10 09:53 BST (UK)
This is the first time I have used this site!
I am a relative of Walter Pheasant, his father Richard Farnell Pheasant is the younger brother of my great grandfather, John Farnell Pheasant.
Two of Walter's counsins were also killed in WW1, both in France.
Albert Edward Pheasant d.16.8.1917, Tyne Cot Memorial
Henry Farnell Pheasant d. 12.11.1916, Thiepval Memorial.

Unfortunately my research into the family tree a few years ago concentrated on my great grandfather, John.

I understand that Walter Pheasant is one of the soldiers buried in Pheasant Wood, is this correct?

Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: mollywally on Monday 14 June 10 10:27 BST (UK)
Hi there, great to hear from you. Yes Walter Pheasant is one of those buried (appropriately) at Pheasant Wood. I understand his remains have been identified and re-buried. I have not been able to establish a connection from our Pheasant family to his (yours) as yet so it may be either non-existent or further back along the family tree!
Our Pheasants came from the Billington, Bedfordshire area in England and my great-grandfather, George Pheasant, left England at 17 and moved to South Africa. Eventually he married and then travelled to NZ for some years and finally Australia where he pioneered a farm in the Millaa Millaa region of North Queensland.
George Pheasant came from  a very large family, however, and I am not certain of all their movements and their ancestors' prior to that time (around 1897). I know I came across the Farnell Pheasants during some of my earlier research.
if you think there may be a connection or would like help researching please feel free to contact me again as I have quite a bit of info about various Pheasants from some years' research.

Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: sarah on Wednesday 15 May 19 10:48 BST (UK)
Hello Spof,

I am trying to locate the new website for the fromelles project but am struggling, have you any idea on what it maybe ?

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: LadyKira on Wednesday 15 May 19 20:09 BST (UK)
There is a Facebook group https://www.facebook.com/The-Lost-Soldiers-of-Fromelles-115701995146926/?epa=SEARCH_BOX
Try asking on there.
LadyKira
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - Walter Pheasant
Post by: LadyKira on Wednesday 15 May 19 20:14 BST (UK)
mollywally
Hi
I cannot see a link to Bedford yet. Keep looking though.
LK