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Title: do the names Noyadd and Trebarried
Post by: bean on Monday 11 May 09 14:46 BST (UK)

mean anything to anyone - don't seem to be places, not that i can find anyway altough i may be missing something obvious!!

found in connection with the Davies family who married in to the Powells of Glyntarell and the Lloyd family of Towy and Caereau as the following:

Anne m. William Davies of Noyadd, Llandewyr.

William Davies of Trebarried, Brecon.

thanks for any help or pointers that anyone can give me

Bean

Title: Re: do the names Noyadd and Trebarried
Post by: wendy47 on Monday 11 May 09 16:49 BST (UK)

Hi

Trebarried  was a place and so was Noyadd, Llandewyr if you g**gle the names here are some of the sites that come up

http://www.clydach-gilwern-llanellyhill.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=99&Itemid=38

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/mid/sites/family_history/pages/canyouhelp.shtml under a query by Ben Winter

http://www.powys.gov.uk/uploads/media/B_D_VV_bi.pdf

Wendy :)

Title: Re: do the names Noyadd and Trebarried
Post by: bean on Tuesday 12 May 09 08:34 BST (UK)

i should have looked harder - just checked an road atlas and couldn't find them  :-[

thanks for that Wendy

i assume (dangerous i know) that if someone is described as of somewhere, ie Davies of Noyadd, it means where they live but not necessarily where they were born?

Title: Re: do the names Noyadd and Trebarried
Post by: wendy47 on Tuesday 12 May 09 10:41 BST (UK)

You're welcome

It's very hard not to assume when you get info but that is one of the rules of genealogy. At least we check info ;D ;D

Wendy

Title: Re: do the names Noyadd and Trebarried
Post by: Greensleeves on Wednesday 13 May 09 14:07 BST (UK)

Hi
Trebarried is shown on the OS map about 8 miles to the north of Brecon, just west of the village of Bronllys.  It is shown on the map as an historic site, and there is indication that it was a court or hall at one time.  I know that somewhere in the area is also a property known as Trebarried Mill, which might be part of the same complex.   If you need the grid co-ordinates, let me know and I'll look them up for you.

Regards,
Greensleeves

Title: Re: do the names Noyadd and Trebarried
Post by: bean on Wednesday 13 May 09 14:59 BST (UK)

thanks greensleeves - as you may have seen i've just come across an ancestor, William Davies of Trebarried, and am looking for any other information. if you could let me have the grid coordinates that would be great.

Title: Re: do the names Noyadd and Trebarried
Post by: Greensleeves on Wednesday 13 May 09 20:52 BST (UK)

Hi Bean
The grid ref for Trebarried Mill and the adjacent  buildings is:
SO 117350

You may also be interested in the Clwyd Powys Archaeological Trust page for this area:

http://www.cpat.org.uk/projects/longer/histland/midwye/1085.htm

Regards,
Greensleeves

Title: Re: do the names Noyadd and Trebarried
Post by: bean on Thursday 14 May 09 08:39 BST (UK)

thank you greensleeves

Title: Re: do the names Noyadd and Trebarried
Post by: Greensleeves on Sunday 24 May 09 20:40 BST (UK)

Hi Bean

I don't know if the plaque below is of interest to you.  I know it doesn't refer to the family names you gave in your earlier post, but it does mention Trebarried.  It is on the gable of an almshouse in Hay-on-Wye.
Regards,
Greensleeves

Title: Re: do the names Noyadd and Trebarried
Post by: bean on Monday 01 June 09 08:33 BST (UK)

sorry to be so long in replying greensleeves, i've been away.
thanks you for that information

Title: Re: do the names Noyadd and Trebarried
Post by: abihook on Tuesday 10 August 10 12:36 BST (UK)

Hi there.
My friends live at Trebarried Court.
It consists of the very large (and currently for sale) Trebarried Hall.
See
http://www.findaproperty.com/displayprop.aspx?edid=00&salerent=0&pid=6450553
My friends live in one of the houses that are in the courtyard which I believe were originally stables and outbuildings. Their house is also for sale!
See
http://www.movehomeonline.co.uk/pages/display/displayhome.aspx?sid=1003&pref=70424
You can see the courtyard in the picture.
Trebarried Mill also (would you believe!) has just gone on sale.
See
http://www.movewithus.co.uk/Property/Index/933345/Trebarried-Mill-Llanfilo-Llanfilo-LD3
The word Trebarried means "Three Bars" or “Bars Dwelling” possibly in reference to gates and not the sort at which you drink!
The word Noyadd is related to the Welsh word Neuadd which simply means “Hall” or “Mansion House”.
So the root of the surnames are obviously from the places and there are many instances of this in Wales.
Some were historically named after the place in which they lived.
Some were named for their livelihood (e.g. Dai the Undertaker) or particular physical attributes such as Twm Tal (Tall Tom).
Hope this helps!
Abi

Title: Re: do the names Noyadd and Trebarried
Post by: abihook on Tuesday 10 August 10 12:38 BST (UK)

Sorry - I also meant to say that Trebarried Hall and Court are adjacent.
Trebarried Mill is about one mile away across the main A470 road between Brecon and Hay-on-Wye.
Lovely area - so glade to live here!
Abi

Title: Re: do the names Noyadd and Trebarried
Post by: bean on Tuesday 10 August 10 13:23 BST (UK)

thanks so much Abi, always nice to get more background info on ancestors.

thanks once again