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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: Ruskie on Tuesday 12 May 09 05:28 BST (UK)
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We are looking for living relatives of the following soldier - quite a lot of family details about this chap. We also need to combine the family tree to do DNA testing if it proves viable. Any help is most welcome. ;D
NAME Goulding, John Joseph
SN 555
RANK Private
UNIT 31 Bn
HONOUR Standard entitlements
BORN Holbeach Lincolnshire England
OCCUPATION Labourer
RELIGION Anglican
DOE 30.08.1915 Tweed Heads Brisbane Qld
AGE 32
STATUS KIA
DATE 19.07.1916
AGE 34
BURIED Unknown
MEMORIAL Villers Brettoneaux
AWM 118
DESCRIPTION 5' 6 with brown hair
NOTES Arrived in Australia aged 6
Enlisted to go to South Africa in Brisbane but did not go to camp as no more men
were required to go out of Australia. Date not known.
One cousin served AIF
Red Cross card: Sgt Maj Tate. Pte Goulding was wounded and dropped between the
German 2nd and 3rd trench. I did not see him after. He came over with us. I was his
platoon sergeant.
Personal effects of purse and coins received from German authorities
NOK Father: William Marshall Goulding
623 Brunswick Street New Farm Qld
Mother: Julia Alice Goulding she died Diamentina Hospital Brisbane 19.07.1922
(nee Fenn or Harris)
Sister: Alice Goulding died Qld 06.06.1912 Reg No B015924
Brother: William Marshall Goulding he married Qld 1923 Jean Gillies 03.05.1913
Reg No B 012985 Motor Car Proprietor Murwillumbah NSW 1923
marriage for father or son: Ethel Griffin 1955 Murwillumbah Reg 13127
death for father or son: 1959 Murwillumbah Reg No 22378
Son: Arthur George Goulding died Tweed Heads 1971 Reg No 47746
Brother: Thomas Harold Goulding
Dean Brae' Ferndale Street Ipswich Road Annerley Brisbane Qld
Brother: Walter Goulding born 20.09.1889 Qld Reg No 006833
Tweed Heads NSW he possibly died NSW 1974 Reg No 47507
Sister: Catherine Ellen Kelly
East End Mt Larcom Qld
Brother: Arthur George Goulding
c/- J B Chandler & Co Elizabeth Street Brisbane Qld
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There are still about half a dozen Goulding families listed in the local Murwillumbah/Tweed area.
What's the protocol - should I ring and see if they are connected? Don't want to tread on any one's toes if someone else is following this gentleman and his family.
Di
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Di ... please pm me the contacts and I will get Tim to ring.
Thanks heaps
Bright Blessings
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra - will do.
PM coming ASAP
Di
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Hi All,
Just wondering how this search is progressing, and if there are clues to be followed up, any suggestions please.
JM
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hello my name is benjamin goulding
i have started researching my families history trying to find out were we are from and have discovered that im related to John Joseph goulding and would like any information on him that you have
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Welcome to rootschat Benjamin - you may be required to give a sample. (DNA sample that is ;))
;D
I'm sure Tim or Sandra will be along to help you soon. there's a fair amount of info at the beginning of this thread - did you already have all that? How do you fit into the Goulding line?
Are you hoping to go back through the Goulding ancestry? If so it might be worthwhile starting a new thread on the Lincolnshire board. (You can add a link to this thread to give everyone a bit of background to the family). This thread is mainly focused on finding living relatives.
Do you have any photos of JJ Goulding?
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Hi Benjamin,
Welcome to Rootschat.
I support all the advice that Ruskie has offered, and look forward to reading some background about this Fromelles missing lad.
JM
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Hi Benjamin,
I'm really keen to hear from you!!!
You can contact us through our website at
The link to the fromelles database has been removed whilst we locate the new website link 2019 http://web.archive.org/web/20100409162945/http://www.fromelles.net
to discuss where you fit into the Goulding story and how you are be related to John Joseph GOULDING.
I can offer you quite a bit of information about him.
Cheers,
Tim L.
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John Joseph Goulding was not amongst those individually identified in the first round of testing so presumably a suitable person to provide a DNA has yet to be found.
His parents were William Marshall Goulding and Julia Alice Fenn married in Sep qtr 1881.
Julia Alice Fenn's parents appear to have been John Fenn b c 1835 Ely and Mary Ann Adcock b c 1836 Spalding.
On the 1861 census Julia Alice Fenn's older sister appears - Lucy E Fenn aged 5 mos b Holbeach. It appears that she may have married Thomas Gibbs in Mar qtr 1880 and this may be a route to finding a maternal line descendant.
Her mother Mary Ann Adcock is on the 1851 census with sisters Lucy (b Spalding 13 yrs), Julia (b Spalding 8yrs ) and Amy (b. Gosberton 6yrs ) who may also be routes to identifying an Mt DNA relative for John Joseph Goulding.
Best, Howard
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Hi. :)
John Joseph Goulding's mother Julia Alice Fenn was my great aunt her husband was William Marshall Goulding b 1858 Upwell Norfolk, they emigrated from England in 1889 aboard the ss Dacca arriving in Brisbane on 1/4/1889. Also travelling with them was W M Goulding's sister Elizabeth Rebecca Goulding b1867c Upwell Norfolk, she later married Charles Chapman in Sydney in 1892. They went to live in Murwillumbah and are recorded in the Electoral Rolls living close to the Goulding family. The Chapman's had 4 children Laurie, Archie, Henry and Charles E. The Goulding's had 7 children John Joseph, William Marshall, Catherine Ellen. Walter. Alice, Thomas Harold and Arthur George. The last 4 were born in Australia.
Would like info about any of these people as they may be able to help identify John Joseph Goulding's remains amongst those found near Fromelles.
Have attached John Joseph Goulding's photograph taken after his enlistment with the AIF.
Cheers
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Let me be the first to welcome you to rootschat. I'm sure those involved in this project will be very happy to hear from you. ;D
I'll leave it to them to discuss this further with you.
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May I also welcome you to RChat and confirm that Ruskie's advice is the best !
Cheers, JM
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Hi Brambledown,
I believe we may have been asssisting one an other on GR ;-)
In terms of identifying John Joseph Goulding's remains the above info from Brambledown is very interesting.
Alas it is very unlikely that any of Elizabeth Rebecca Chapman's children are still alive - so that rules out that as a source of mitochondrial DNA.
It seem strange that none of William Marshall Goulding's sons lines have produced a traceable descendant in the male line who might be able to help with a Y DNA match.
Fortunately I have traced and located a suitable descendant in the female line who has agreed to provide the Australian MOD with a DNA sample for Mt DNA matching, should they so request it.
Best,
Howard
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Hi Tjapaltjarri
I have indeed been assisting you with my family tree via GR. Re the Chapman children. Laurie the first born, was a girl. If she has married and had female offspring wouldn't they be suitable for DNA testing?? Just a thought. The available BMD records searchable on-line do not enable me to answer that question. Maybe someone out there can take this bit of research forward.
Happy hunting
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Wahey Brambledown ::),
That's absolutely correct, Laurie's children and any children of her daughters - if she had any, would be suitable matches on Mt DNA - mind you in our family Laurie was a boy - my wife's father; kia in 1943 flying a Mosquito for the RAF and no known grave - hence my passion for this quest.
Let us hope someone in Australia can pick up the baton to help on this one. but we have my distantly related Mt DNA relative as a backup :)
Best,
Howard
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Hi Tjapaltjarri
My reasoning that Laurie, is in this instance, female is that I found Laurie listed on the Electoral role as at home doing 'home duties' no other occupation given. I am sure that would not have been given as a description if Laurie had been male.
All the best
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Hi Ruskie,
Perhaps this is a good day to update the news on Private Goulding.
http://www.minister.defence.gov.au/2012/03/31/fromelles-nine-more-world-war-i-diggers-identified/
Debra :)
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Thank you for the heads up on this.
I had heard that one of my other Mt DNA lines had failed to produce a match. This brings my sucess rate to just 3 - but must'nt grumble. It was interesting work.
Best,
Howard
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Thank you for posting that Debra.
Sorry that you haven't been as successful as you'd hoped Howard - it wasn't from a lack of trying anyway, so well done anyway. :)
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Hello all, trust you are well (& vaccinated).
As it's been 9 years since the last posting on this topic, I'm not sure if it's too late to comment.
For what it's worth, I've only recently commenced research on this (Goulding) family but have already amassed a list of numerous descendants in Australia - should anyone still be interested.
Best regards, stay safe.....Phil Grace
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Hi esprit9
Yes fully vaccinated and well. Never to late to make a comment. I have done quite a bit of research into my Goulding relatives tree, but do not have all the lines sorted.
I would be happy to have additional information on the Goulding family.
All the best
Sylvia Thompson
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Sylvia: Hello and many thanks for your response.
The "Goulding" family I am researching is that of William Marshall Goulding (1857-1933), the father of the subject individual (i.e. John Joseph Goulding, 1883-1916).
Is this your 'Goulding' or, if not, are you please able to indicate a start-point for the Goulding line in which you are primarily interested?
Stay well, best regards.....Phil Grace
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Hi Phil
William Marshal Goulding is the the line I am researching. He married my great aunt Julia Alice Fenn. John Joseph is my 1st cousin once removed. I may have information that can help your research too.
All the best. Sylvia Thompson