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Title: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: Ruskie on Tuesday 12 May 09 05:31 BST (UK)
We are looking for living relatives of the following soldier. There's quite a lot of info about him and his family. We also need to combine the family tree to do DNA testing if it proves viable. Many thanks for any help.

NAME   Hungerford, George William      
SN   3327            
RANK   Private            
UNIT   53 Bn            
HONOUR   Standard entitlements      
BORN   Warwick Qld 04.06.1891 Reg No 012023   
OCCUPATION   Pastry Cook         
RELIGION   Anglican            
               
DOE   25.07.1915 Toowoomba Qld      
AGE   24            
               
               
STATUS   KIA            
DATE   19.07.1916         
AGE   25            
BURIED   Unknown            
MEMORIAL   VC Corner Cemetery Memorial panel 8   
   AWM 157            
               
DESCRIPTION   5 foot 7 with brown hair      
               
NOTES   ID disk returned by German authorities   
               
NOK   Father: John George Hungerford married 15.09.1886 Henrietta Reid Reg No B010902
   He died 1925 Qld Reg No B44835 son of Ryder & Frances (nee Butler) Hungerford
   Known address 1923: Arthur Tce Red Hill Brisbane Qld      
                        
   Mother: Henrietta Reid               
                        
                        
   Brother: John Ryder Hungerford born 13.08.1887 Reg No B039430   
   he married Qld 1913 Isabella Mayo Price Reg No C2494      
                        
   Brother: Sydney Gordon Hungerford born 30.05.1889 Reg No 011663 served AIF
   1085 Corporal 42 Bn wounded twice RTA            
                        
   Sister: Gladys May Hungerford born 06.05.1892 Reg No 012099      
                        
   Brother: Francis Cecil Hungerford born 19.12.1896 Reg No 011306 served AIF
   6014 Sapper ACSC RTA               
   he married Qld 1921 Ada May Higgins Reg No B28317         
                        
   Sister: Edleen Florence Hungerford born 08.07.1894 Reg No 011371   
   she died Qld 1895 Reg No 3986               
                        
   Brother: Victor Frederick Hungerford born 25.02.1899 Reg No 011105   
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 13 May 09 11:29 BST (UK)
Victor Hungerford, Sydney Hungerford, John Hungerford and Ryder Hungerford are on two GR trees.

However, neither tree appears to have all the children listed.

Is it worth trying for a contact?


Dee
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: fedelmar on Wednesday 13 May 09 11:43 BST (UK)
Anything is worth a try Dee :)

And thank you for your hard work ... you are a saviour :)

Bright Blessings
Sandra
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 13 May 09 11:44 BST (UK)
I'll give it a go.....  :D


Dee
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 13 May 09 12:12 BST (UK)
One of the Tree owners on GR seems to have George on their tree.......I have sent a message in the hope that there will be a response.


Dee
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: deeiluka on Thursday 14 May 09 00:45 BST (UK)
Marriages for 3 more of George William Hungerford's siblings......

Victor Frederick Hungerford married Margaret Lillian Carswell in 1928
Ref = B3342

Gladys May Hungerford  married Robert Sidney Leamon in 1915
Ref = C1926

Sydney Gordon Reid Hungerford married Rose Lilian Hampson in 1919
Ref = C724


Dee
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: fedelmar on Thursday 14 May 09 00:49 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee :)
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 16 May 09 07:29 BST (UK)
I've had a message from the Hungerford link on GR .... George William Hungerford was her husband's uncle, and the brother of his father Victor Frederick Hungerford. They knew he was killed in action 28/07/1916 but that his body was never recovered.   

Evidently they researched some years ago and understood that his "Dog Tag" was handed in by a German soldier, and that his name is commemorated in the V.C Corner-Australian Cemetery-France.

I hope the family have contacted the Fromelles group via the link on the web-page.


Dee  :D
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: fedelmar on Saturday 16 May 09 08:14 BST (UK)
Well done you :)

Another one gets a headstone .... hopefully :)
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 16 May 09 08:16 BST (UK)
Oh I do hope so, Sandra......   :D  :D

I've sent another message of encouragement......


Dee
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: majm on Saturday 16 May 09 09:10 BST (UK)
Well Done Dee,

JM
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 16 May 09 09:15 BST (UK)
We've kept at it, JM.......  :D  :D
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 16 May 09 13:02 BST (UK)
This is wonderful Dee. And it looks like the family are interested, which is great news.
 ;D
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 16 May 09 13:17 BST (UK)
Just wish we could get a bit further with some of the others.

They seem to be mostly Queensland ones.....records online for Queensland are not the easiest......  :-\


Dee
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 16 May 09 13:30 BST (UK)
Dee, I am going to start a new thread, but if you or anyone else requires lookups for Qld Fromelles lads, I hope to get to the Qld State Archvies this week.

I would really appreciate it if the lookup requests can be as specific and concise as possible.

Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: majm on Sunday 17 May 09 08:54 BST (UK)
Bit More,

Hope I am not duplicating, but this is from online Qld bdm
1922/F4234 Hungerford George William (son of) John George Hungerford (and) Henrietta (nee) Reid

I think Qld must have held some kind of enquiry and the AIF fallen who had enlisted in Qld - many seem to be listed with a death certificate reference ("F" and 1922 - "F" being for AIF fallen outside of Qld).

JM.
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: Auimfo on Wednesday 20 May 09 06:52 BST (UK)
Thanks everyone, Hungerford has now been solved and contact made with descendants.

Cheers,
Tim L.
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: fedelmar on Wednesday 20 May 09 06:57 BST (UK)
WELL DONE YOU LOT!!!

Bright Blessings
Sandra
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 20 May 09 07:28 BST (UK)
Really great news!  :D  :D  :D


Dee
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 20 May 09 08:28 BST (UK)
Terrific news.  ;D

Can we have a clue as to the relationship of this relative, or who they are descended from. I know we can't talk specifics, but something general like "George's great niece", or "a relative of Francis" will do, or "via the GR contact".

Just being nosey.  ;)
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: fedelmar on Wednesday 20 May 09 08:35 BST (UK)
George's nephew via his brother. (GR contact)
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: Ruskie on Wednesday 20 May 09 08:45 BST (UK)
Thanks Sandra.  :D
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: Auimfo on Wednesday 20 May 09 08:45 BST (UK)
And just to add, it looks like we have also found the descendant for James Ross.   Through the good work of members here, I've located a suggested lead although have been unable to contact them directly because they are currently away in France.   However, I have spoken to a friend of this person and the details of the family fit exactly into what we have discovered and I am in no doubt it's the descendant we're seeking.

I'd put this into the Ross thread but it's been locked.

Cheers,
Tim L.
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: fedelmar on Wednesday 20 May 09 08:52 BST (UK)
WELL DONE AGAIN YOU LOT!!!!

Bright Blessings
Sandra
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: deeiluka on Wednesday 20 May 09 10:17 BST (UK)
Great news on James Ross too, Tim.

I've unlocked the thread if you'd like to post your latest news on there.  :D  :D


Dee
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: majm on Saturday 30 May 09 00:46 BST (UK)


LEST WE FORGET

Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: rwhunge on Wednesday 17 June 09 03:12 BST (UK)
Hello all.  I'm new to RootsChat.com.  I'm part of an international group that is researching the Hungerfords and the families that trace back to them.  Part of this research has included a DNA study.  We've conducted 21 tests of Hungerfords from Australia, England, Ireland, and the United States using Ancestry.com's 46 genetic loci paternal lineage test.  One of our participants is a fifth cousin 3 generations removed to George.  Would you want, with his permission, the DNA results and/or do you have George William Hungerford's DNA results?
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: majm on Wednesday 17 June 09 03:46 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat,

It's a great site, full of volunteers finding spare moments to all help each other, not just on the Fromelles-missing, here on the WW1 boards, but on lots of other boards too.

I hope that your posting re DNA will be answered, it may take couple or days or more, but I am sure your DNA info is part of the solution!

Cheers, again, welcome to RChat.

JM
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: Auimfo on Wednesday 17 June 09 04:18 BST (UK)
Hi rwhunge,

Welcome aboard!!

Might I recommend that any descendant's with information about George Hungerford contact us at www fromelles net (sadly this website no longer exists 2014).   We are keen to speak to anyone who might give us a bit more about his life and would especially love to discover a photo of him.

With regards to the DNA, may I suggest you contact the Dept of Defence's, Fromelles Project Group to register your interest and DNA availability with them.   You will find their website at http://www.army.gov.au/fromelles/   I'm certain they will be very interested in your offer.

Cheers,
Tim L.
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: liverpool annie on Wednesday 17 June 09 20:11 BST (UK)


Talking of DNA ... I came across this and now I can't remember the source ... but I was thinking ... that it sounds like a good idea !!  :)

( though now I really think about it ... it would probably be fraught with all kinds of confidentiality restrictions !!  :-\ )

Quote
Police Forces all over the country have DNA databases that contain several millions of DNA profiles. Would it not help the forensic scientists to identify the families of the soldiers if they had access to this database?
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: Tjapaltjarri on Tuesday 06 October 09 19:06 BST (UK)
Thinking of Mitochondrial DNA which may have been all that was left have we looked for descendants in the female line of his sister and mother?

Best,

Tjapaltjarri
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: tahu on Friday 08 April 11 13:34 BST (UK)
I haven't been able to locate any information about www fromelles net
What is the affiliation of this website? Also I would be interested in finding the Hungerford family tree on GR - how do I find this?

Thanks, I'm new on here,
Tahu


Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: Auimfo on Friday 08 April 11 16:17 BST (UK)
Hi Tahu,

I'm one of the Project Leaders of the Fromelles Descendant Database.   
I've been a bit absent from here of late because of all the work I've currently got on and I know I'll get distracted by all the interesting research that goes on here :-)

The people here on Rootchat have been invaluable to our research to try and track down descendants of the missing Australian soldiers recovered from the mass graves at Pheasant Wood.   

The FDD is a volunteer research project set up to assist in tracing these descendants with the hope of identifying as many remains as possible.   As you may know another 14 have just been identified taking the total to 110 out of 250.   There's still plenty of work to do but I know there are still a great many descendants waiting to have their DNA compared in the next rounds of testing so here's hoping there's still many more identifications to be made.

Is there anything specific you would like to know about our work?   I'm quite happy to answer any of your questions or alternatively you can email me directly from our website.

Cheers,
Tim L.
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: fedelmar on Saturday 09 April 11 00:21 BST (UK)
Tahu,
you would need to contact us through the email facility on the Fromelles.net website.

Bright Blessings
Sandra
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: barryfr on Thursday 29 May 14 02:57 BST (UK)
Hi, I am the grandson of Francis Cecil Hungerford, the brother of George William Hungerford,  mentioned in Ruskie's post. Do you have the exact date of his marriage in 1921 to Ada May Higgins?
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: majm on Thursday 29 May 14 03:28 BST (UK)
Hi there,

Welcome to RootsChat, an amazing place.   I have sent a personal message to one of Fromelles Missing team, in case they have the answer to your enquiry.

I am sure that other RChatters will also be along shortly. 

Many cheers,  JM (one of the RChatters who posted on Ruskie's thread  :) )
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: fedelmar on Thursday 29 May 14 04:10 BST (UK)
No exact date on the research that I did ... sorry

Good luck ...

Bright Blessings
Sandra
Title: Re: Fromelles missing - HUNGERFORD (Qld)
Post by: Lesley Abrahams on Friday 15 August 14 02:58 BST (UK)
This is a reply to Barry Fr. grandson of Francis Cecil Hungerford.  He requested the marriage date with Ada May Higgins. They were married on 30 July 1921, at New Farm, Queensland. I am searching for the date of death for Francis.  Ada died 14 February 1977, Brisbane, Qld.
We have more information on this family in the publication "Hungerfords Down Under, 2nd ed. 2013, which is available to members of the Hungerford & Associated Families Society, Inc.
As I have only registered today on Rootschat, I cannot send a private message as yet.