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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: Ruskie on Tuesday 12 May 09 05:31 BST (UK)
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We are looking for living relatives of the following soldier. There's quite a lot of info about him and his family. We also need to combine the family tree to do DNA testing if it proves viable. Many thanks for any help.
NAME Hungerford, George William
SN 3327
RANK Private
UNIT 53 Bn
HONOUR Standard entitlements
BORN Warwick Qld 04.06.1891 Reg No 012023
OCCUPATION Pastry Cook
RELIGION Anglican
DOE 25.07.1915 Toowoomba Qld
AGE 24
STATUS KIA
DATE 19.07.1916
AGE 25
BURIED Unknown
MEMORIAL VC Corner Cemetery Memorial panel 8
AWM 157
DESCRIPTION 5 foot 7 with brown hair
NOTES ID disk returned by German authorities
NOK Father: John George Hungerford married 15.09.1886 Henrietta Reid Reg No B010902
He died 1925 Qld Reg No B44835 son of Ryder & Frances (nee Butler) Hungerford
Known address 1923: Arthur Tce Red Hill Brisbane Qld
Mother: Henrietta Reid
Brother: John Ryder Hungerford born 13.08.1887 Reg No B039430
he married Qld 1913 Isabella Mayo Price Reg No C2494
Brother: Sydney Gordon Hungerford born 30.05.1889 Reg No 011663 served AIF
1085 Corporal 42 Bn wounded twice RTA
Sister: Gladys May Hungerford born 06.05.1892 Reg No 012099
Brother: Francis Cecil Hungerford born 19.12.1896 Reg No 011306 served AIF
6014 Sapper ACSC RTA
he married Qld 1921 Ada May Higgins Reg No B28317
Sister: Edleen Florence Hungerford born 08.07.1894 Reg No 011371
she died Qld 1895 Reg No 3986
Brother: Victor Frederick Hungerford born 25.02.1899 Reg No 011105
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Victor Hungerford, Sydney Hungerford, John Hungerford and Ryder Hungerford are on two GR trees.
However, neither tree appears to have all the children listed.
Is it worth trying for a contact?
Dee
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Anything is worth a try Dee :)
And thank you for your hard work ... you are a saviour :)
Bright Blessings
Sandra
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I'll give it a go..... :D
Dee
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One of the Tree owners on GR seems to have George on their tree.......I have sent a message in the hope that there will be a response.
Dee
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Marriages for 3 more of George William Hungerford's siblings......
Victor Frederick Hungerford married Margaret Lillian Carswell in 1928
Ref = B3342
Gladys May Hungerford married Robert Sidney Leamon in 1915
Ref = C1926
Sydney Gordon Reid Hungerford married Rose Lilian Hampson in 1919
Ref = C724
Dee
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Thanks Dee :)
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I've had a message from the Hungerford link on GR .... George William Hungerford was her husband's uncle, and the brother of his father Victor Frederick Hungerford. They knew he was killed in action 28/07/1916 but that his body was never recovered.
Evidently they researched some years ago and understood that his "Dog Tag" was handed in by a German soldier, and that his name is commemorated in the V.C Corner-Australian Cemetery-France.
I hope the family have contacted the Fromelles group via the link on the web-page.
Dee :D
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Well done you :)
Another one gets a headstone .... hopefully :)
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Oh I do hope so, Sandra...... :D :D
I've sent another message of encouragement......
Dee
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Well Done Dee,
JM
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We've kept at it, JM....... :D :D
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This is wonderful Dee. And it looks like the family are interested, which is great news.
;D
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Just wish we could get a bit further with some of the others.
They seem to be mostly Queensland ones.....records online for Queensland are not the easiest...... :-\
Dee
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Dee, I am going to start a new thread, but if you or anyone else requires lookups for Qld Fromelles lads, I hope to get to the Qld State Archvies this week.
I would really appreciate it if the lookup requests can be as specific and concise as possible.
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Bit More,
Hope I am not duplicating, but this is from online Qld bdm
1922/F4234 Hungerford George William (son of) John George Hungerford (and) Henrietta (nee) Reid
I think Qld must have held some kind of enquiry and the AIF fallen who had enlisted in Qld - many seem to be listed with a death certificate reference ("F" and 1922 - "F" being for AIF fallen outside of Qld).
JM.
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Thanks everyone, Hungerford has now been solved and contact made with descendants.
Cheers,
Tim L.
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WELL DONE YOU LOT!!!
Bright Blessings
Sandra
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Really great news! :D :D :D
Dee
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Terrific news. ;D
Can we have a clue as to the relationship of this relative, or who they are descended from. I know we can't talk specifics, but something general like "George's great niece", or "a relative of Francis" will do, or "via the GR contact".
Just being nosey. ;)
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George's nephew via his brother. (GR contact)
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Thanks Sandra. :D
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And just to add, it looks like we have also found the descendant for James Ross. Through the good work of members here, I've located a suggested lead although have been unable to contact them directly because they are currently away in France. However, I have spoken to a friend of this person and the details of the family fit exactly into what we have discovered and I am in no doubt it's the descendant we're seeking.
I'd put this into the Ross thread but it's been locked.
Cheers,
Tim L.
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WELL DONE AGAIN YOU LOT!!!!
Bright Blessings
Sandra
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Great news on James Ross too, Tim.
I've unlocked the thread if you'd like to post your latest news on there. :D :D
Dee
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LEST WE FORGET
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Hello all. I'm new to RootsChat.com. I'm part of an international group that is researching the Hungerfords and the families that trace back to them. Part of this research has included a DNA study. We've conducted 21 tests of Hungerfords from Australia, England, Ireland, and the United States using Ancestry.com's 46 genetic loci paternal lineage test. One of our participants is a fifth cousin 3 generations removed to George. Would you want, with his permission, the DNA results and/or do you have George William Hungerford's DNA results?
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Welcome to Rootschat,
It's a great site, full of volunteers finding spare moments to all help each other, not just on the Fromelles-missing, here on the WW1 boards, but on lots of other boards too.
I hope that your posting re DNA will be answered, it may take couple or days or more, but I am sure your DNA info is part of the solution!
Cheers, again, welcome to RChat.
JM
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Hi rwhunge,
Welcome aboard!!
Might I recommend that any descendant's with information about George Hungerford contact us at www fromelles net (sadly this website no longer exists 2014). We are keen to speak to anyone who might give us a bit more about his life and would especially love to discover a photo of him.
With regards to the DNA, may I suggest you contact the Dept of Defence's, Fromelles Project Group to register your interest and DNA availability with them. You will find their website at http://www.army.gov.au/fromelles/ I'm certain they will be very interested in your offer.
Cheers,
Tim L.
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Talking of DNA ... I came across this and now I can't remember the source ... but I was thinking ... that it sounds like a good idea !! :)
( though now I really think about it ... it would probably be fraught with all kinds of confidentiality restrictions !! :-\ )
Police Forces all over the country have DNA databases that contain several millions of DNA profiles. Would it not help the forensic scientists to identify the families of the soldiers if they had access to this database?
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Thinking of Mitochondrial DNA which may have been all that was left have we looked for descendants in the female line of his sister and mother?
Best,
Tjapaltjarri
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I haven't been able to locate any information about
www fromelles net
What is the affiliation of this website? Also I would be interested in finding the Hungerford family tree on GR - how do I find this?
Thanks, I'm new on here,
Tahu
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Hi Tahu,
I'm one of the Project Leaders of the Fromelles Descendant Database.
I've been a bit absent from here of late because of all the work I've currently got on and I know I'll get distracted by all the interesting research that goes on here :-)
The people here on Rootchat have been invaluable to our research to try and track down descendants of the missing Australian soldiers recovered from the mass graves at Pheasant Wood.
The FDD is a volunteer research project set up to assist in tracing these descendants with the hope of identifying as many remains as possible. As you may know another 14 have just been identified taking the total to 110 out of 250. There's still plenty of work to do but I know there are still a great many descendants waiting to have their DNA compared in the next rounds of testing so here's hoping there's still many more identifications to be made.
Is there anything specific you would like to know about our work? I'm quite happy to answer any of your questions or alternatively you can email me directly from our website.
Cheers,
Tim L.
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Tahu,
you would need to contact us through the email facility on the Fromelles.net website.
Bright Blessings
Sandra
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Hi, I am the grandson of Francis Cecil Hungerford, the brother of George William Hungerford, mentioned in Ruskie's post. Do you have the exact date of his marriage in 1921 to Ada May Higgins?
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Hi there,
Welcome to RootsChat, an amazing place. I have sent a personal message to one of Fromelles Missing team, in case they have the answer to your enquiry.
I am sure that other RChatters will also be along shortly.
Many cheers, JM (one of the RChatters who posted on Ruskie's thread :) )
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No exact date on the research that I did ... sorry
Good luck ...
Bright Blessings
Sandra
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This is a reply to Barry Fr. grandson of Francis Cecil Hungerford. He requested the marriage date with Ada May Higgins. They were married on 30 July 1921, at New Farm, Queensland. I am searching for the date of death for Francis. Ada died 14 February 1977, Brisbane, Qld.
We have more information on this family in the publication "Hungerfords Down Under, 2nd ed. 2013, which is available to members of the Hungerford & Associated Families Society, Inc.
As I have only registered today on Rootschat, I cannot send a private message as yet.